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Well, I think I have obtained enough information and know-how on how to build roms and my cab/package vault has grown over time. I think its time to start giving back to this community and offer up my services with providing yet another 6.5 rom for everyone.
The question is, what is everyone's favorite build? A lot of people will stick with the latest build and I'm sure I will have to as well to keep it fresh and new, but for my first rom I want to build it based on what everyone's favorite build has been so far, so please vote for your favorite build.
I look forward to to both helping and giving back to this community who has helped my very much.
Although it's a good idea, I don't know how many of us actually know the difference between those. It might very well just be me, but i have no clue what the difference is between those. If you could post some differences between builds, it would help. Functionality, stability, battery use, etc.
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Although it's a good idea, I don't know how many of us actually know the difference between those. It might very well just be me, but i have no clue what the difference is between those. If you could post some differences between builds, it would help. Functionality, stability, battery use, etc.
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Well thats the thing, some may perform better than for others. It al has to do with personal preference... and then there are some builds that nobody just likes. I stuck with 21222 for a long time because I liked the speed and stability.
Great initiative!
IMHO;
Most folks will probably defer to you expertise in determining which ROM edition will be best for them.
Adjusting the poll for features like:
Battery Life
Ease of use in Cellular mode
Ease of use in PPC mode
Typical applications to include
Manila or Non-Manila - no not Vanila; as my wife calls it
Connectivity (bt, wifi, etc.)
Might reveal a better cross-section of what to provide.
Cheers,
Yea each release seems to be different. 21222 was awesome for me. Seemed to be the fastest although 21815 is what I am using now and seems ok (still laggy though).
21222 was really the sweet spot.
Hey adam! Good job! Enter the cooking world Just be ready for the tedious reading, learning, and flashing to come. I still don't fully understand it, but it takes time to iron out the kinks and it's tedious to flash over and over again, but it seems worth it when you get closer and closer to what you want. And a vault you say? Surely you'll have to upload that vault somewhere
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Well, I think I have obtained enough information and know-how on how to build roms and my cab/package vault has grown over time. I think its time to start giving back to this community and offer up my services with providing yet another 6.5 rom for everyone.
The question is, what is everyone's favorite build? A lot of people will stick with the latest build and I'm sure I will have to as well to keep it fresh and new, but for my first rom I want to build it based on what everyone's favorite build has been so far, so please vote for your favorite build.
I look forward to to both helping and giving back to this community who has helped my very much.
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Oh, Gawd NO!!! *I'm a Libra* .... and we can never decide....
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This thead is a good idea
Wow I was just thinking about starting the same thead topic!
We all need to give some sort of feedback in regards to what we like and what\why we are currently running. My person best was 21728 as it seem to be the smoothest if not the fasted build. Not many people tried it as DaG skipped it even though he gave us the sys. I am currently checking out a sys and xip ripped from a emu bin file to see if I see any difference as it just so happens to be 21234. Switching back and forth to see if the new VM enhanced NK.exe from DaG make a difference compared to the original 6.1 compatible NK.exe.
Keep that feedback coming in as the more opinions that are expressed the easier the decisions will be for others.
I agree with dcelluser. I am up to 21728, I dont any change as far as battery life is concern, but its better in terms of stability & smoothness. Battery is more than builds quality thus I need to know if someone finds any other build with any radio giving maximum battery, rest is always the same from 21222.
21728? Hmm, I dont even remember seeing that build. I wonder who else likes that build? Too bad I cant edit my own poll...
As far as everything else is concerned, why dont you guys also write in and say why you voted for xxxxx build and why. Was it the stability, speed, batter, ect... and what you thought about it. It may give a little more insight for other people as well.
In the meantime, im toying around with themes, taskbars and manila so when I figure out which first build to use, Ill have everything else lined up already.
I found 21222 to be the most stable build so far and had no issues with battery.
I'm flashing back to my 21222/21502 as we speak because the 218xx builds have been buggy for me.
Bruce Inman said:
I found 21222 to be the most stable build so far and had no issues with battery.
I'm flashing back to my 21222/21510 as we speak because the 218xx builds have been buggy for me.
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Yeah, 21222 I think is still my favorite. Im still waiting for a 216xx build to be leaked as the 216xx line is supposed to be from HTC.
Buggy? What do you mean buggy?
Always keep with the latest, causes some cooking headaches but I find 21815 to be stable and fast so far
its just that noone has cooked new official ROM hotfixes with old builds so I am using new builds otherwise I hardly see any change in its performance. They are all same almost.
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Always keep with the latest, causes some cooking headaches but I find 21815 to be stable and fast so far
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Yeah, Im going to have to stick with new releases once I move on to my second release... but for my first initial release, I wanted to build a rom that most people like as an incentive for trying my new rom.
Once that happens though, I might start throwing out two releases... another oldie but goodie rom and a new leaked build.
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Yeah, Im going to have to stick with new releases once I move on to my second release... but for my first initial release, I wanted to build a rom that most people like as an incentive for trying my new rom.
Once that happens though, I might start throwing out two releases... another oldie but goodie rom and a new leaked build.
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Just be careful doingthis. It can be hard to sync two release. Even just trying to change between a Fuze build and a TP build bugged me so much that I created a Mortscript to change KB layout!
how about just putting in your blood sweat and tears to create what you think is a kick ass rom. Thats all anyone could really ask for. And not that Im asking, but I know you will. Just put that disclaimer all the other guys put in their title post, that this rom is built to your likings. If you get some whiny kid complaining because it doesnt have the extra 50 levels of Teeter, just forget about them. Just do your best with all that knowledge you have accumulated, and you'll for sure put out something great. You have been around long enough to know whats good and what doesnt work. Now Im excited to see you put it in to play. Use the build that worked best for you!
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Yeah, Im going to have to stick with new releases once I move on to my second release... but for my first initial release, I wanted to build a rom that most people like as an incentive for trying my new rom.
Once that happens though, I might start throwing out two releases... another oldie but goodie rom and a new leaked build.
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I think that's the way to go because you'll have your users that always want the latest and greatest and other users that want stability.
Hmm... 21234!
Well I extracted the XIP and SYS from a 21234 MS emulator ROM and cooked using the latest official Fuze 5.11 payloard and NK.exe these are the results:
Awesome battery life!
Awesome speed!
Great stability and ...
Official ROM from MS!
I think I just found my favorite ROM!
My Fuze is at 90% battery life after 8hrs if emails and light internet surfing!
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I think I just found my favorite ROM!
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Care to share?
After reading this forum for quite a while, am i the only person who's sitting on the fence when it comes to ROMs?
All the ROMs which i checked out have one problem or another.... either not stable, slower than stock, buggy, or lack in one department or another. I don't really see the point of updating to any ROMs if there are some unresolved issues.
Is there any 2.0 based roms which are not buggy and which have all functions working perfectly? Or should i wait until the official ROM comes out?
copying my thread?
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627494
Didn't see your thread... sorry. Seems like we are in the same boat.
that is why i stay with modaco rom xD faster then the original & keep those most function with speed boost.
Seems to be the sae reasonas to why im also trying to dig into customising roms. Though,thus far, any un-official rom i have tested thus far seems to be atleast just as stable as any official rom, except they tend to be alot faster. Might be worth it to try and get some sort of guide started once i know how it all works. One of the issues i didnt manage to find anything on yet is signing a modified rom .zip-archive.
One thing ill definately share when ive completed it will be a very stripped down sense 2.1 rom, and then try to see where i can get from there. Im currently in-between villain rom and the 1.6 beta rom with cooker app, switching back and forth from one another...
Atleast that tought me how to backup and restore things should i keep you all updated if anything changes?
How do you like villain? have you tried kagu? I'm undecided between the two..
i'm using ckdroid ... it's quite fast. very stable and fulfills all of my needs
if you don't really need / want a 2.x rom you should definitly go with modaco for the great tweaks and speed improvements!
also, the first ported roms from cyanogen are being released!
most of present quirks come from drivers not being available for 2.x roms from htc because they haven't realeased them in their own 2.x rom yet. just be a little more patient.
there are already rumors of an official 2.1 htc rom with sense coming out in the beginning of march
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How do you like villain? have you tried kagu? I'm undecided between the two..
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As the Villain chef, you'd possibly expect me to promote my own rom. However, I find Kagu to be an outstanding rom. lox has done a great job with it. If I wanted a quick, Vanilla, feature-rich rom, I'd go with Kagu.
I love Sense UI though... hence Villain.
Kagudroid is good, CKDroid is awesome, but they are both Vanilla roms.
I like Villain ROM much better because of Sense UI, even though it's still a bit buggy and is a little slower. totally worth it for me.
You've obviously not been 'round the Dream parts of the forum...
I just had to post this question because whenever I go to the development thread its like christmas with all these roms. Now, it seems as though none is being worked on except for "workshed, tenzo, tazz" and some others. but roms like "xtrsense, tenzo xtrcmix, zenexp, energyexpress" nothing have been done for a couple of months.
I know its hard work and definitely appreciate all the work that goes into the building of these roms. I hope to see updates soon.
ROM developers are people too!
After a while they decide to get new phones, and they start doing dev work on those phones. Or maybe they lose interest in the whole scene. Some of them continue to do dev work even after they no longer own the phone (hip hip, hurrah!). Over time though, there are fewer of them because no new folks are buying the phone.
All things considered, it seems that ROM devs stick around when they get positive feedback and develop a community of internet friends; they don't seem to be here just for the coffee - but they probably wouldn't mind a beverage every so often!
Send your favorite ROM dev some love today!
I also think that the state of Eclair and Froyo are relatively stable these days. That said, Zach.xtr has promised a coming upgrade to xtrROM in that thread.
As for Froyo, I am guessing a lot of the energy of the CyanogenMod team are directed at Gingerbread, so here's hoping that there are some exciting new things coming in the next several weeks or months.
I have nothing but respect for the work the devs are doing for the benefit of us Eris users, and I'm so thankful to all of them that I'm not stuck with stock Eris right now.
I am thankful to that I am not stuck with a stock eris, not that anything is wrong with stock but being that I have my eris til June its nice to be able to enjoy it.
Well most of the dev's can't really do much after a point. Once a ROM is fully working... where do you go? Gotta wait for Google to release updates.
Trust me, when 2.3/30 are full released the forum will be very active again.
I see. Seems like everyone is stuck on the gingerbread thing. Its cool. I like my eris and now with all these phones coming out seems so tempting to move on. But, The stock eris was boring but thanks to launcher pro we can mod and change things. so its almost not necessary to root, but I love the roms with different UI's.
Lots of thanks goes out to these Devs for creating these roms that can run on the little Eris.
I was hoping "energyexpress" would be updated. but its ok.
About a month or so ago, I finally hit the end of my patience and stopped waiting for T-Mo to put out the update. I flashed to the Obsidian 4.2 ROM. I noticed massively increased idling battery life, better performance and an all-around nicer experience. It also gave me easy tethering options included, among other functionality. It also lost me a little stability, but I'm relatively OK with that.
This post is not about my flashing experiences. This post is a question shouted out to those of us lucky or skillful enough to have had a chance to play with leaked ROMs for the new official update. What should we expect from this update in terms of performance and functionality? Still better battery life and performance? Still fully accessible Android built-in functionalities like tethering? Should those of us who flashed to something undo it and go with the official or stay with what we've got?
Thanks,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
No one can answer what comes tomorrow until tomorrow - it will all be speculation at this point.
My speculation though is that it won't likely be anything we haven't already been leaked.
I expect my phone to make breakfast in the morning. a nice sandwich for lunch and a bomb roast beef for dinner.
Honestly, if you do go back to stock to get the official OTA, I bet you'll come back to the leaked ones.
The leaked ROM's aren't just Froyo on our phones, they are also modified and tweaked the heck out of them! lol.
So maybe once they get the source THEN we could see even better tweaked ROMS from these great devs.
I expect KA6.
I don't expect the kernel source, but I do expect KA6 due to the bootloader presence.
I expect promises of 2.3 coming "soon", probably some large amount of time after 2.4 or honeycomb comes out.
I expect this to be the last release update for the vibrant and sammie to move on to new hardware endeavors. Vibrant represents no additional revenue.
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smeadow said:
I expect this to be the last release update for the vibrant and sammie to move on to new hardware endeavors. Vibrant represents no additional revenue.
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This is probably true.
The incoming Vibrant 4G probably will have Gingerbread update.
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I expect promises of 2.3 coming "soon", probably some large amount of time after 2.4 or honeycomb comes out.[/QUOT
+1 The only change I would make is a very very very very very large amount of time!!!!!
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I'm still running the original stock VZW/HTC ROM. I know, I know, slow adopter... I'd like to root and go with a ROM that delivers better battery life and a basic debloat. However, nearly every ROM I read about seems to have a major (in my humble opinion) flaw. A non working camera or video camera, non working voicemail notification, malfunctioning signal strength bars, no 4G, etc., etc.
Is my only choice really a Froyo ROM? I'm not willing to stomach any major loss of functionality (or apps), be it phone, camera, calendar, GPS, navigation, various google apps, Bluetooth, WiFi, 3G and 4G, working signal strength bars, etc. I guess I am also in the "I prefer Sense" group but also have not given non Sense ROMs any time.
If responding I kindly request a few sentences of explanation/clarification rather than just saying "Get ROM X, it rocks, it is the best". Thanks in advance.
Everything works on most the gb roms, with some needing certain fixes to fix certain things. Gingeritis 3d, with chingys new radio is tits imho
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Well, I'm not going to give you a few sentences, but I can tell you that I use Gingerth3ory (link in my siggy) and everything works, including vvm as long as you apply the bootable zip fix for that. Before, vvm was the only thing not working.
Camera, videocamera, wifi, 3g, 4g all work. I switched to youmail for vvm because I wanted netflix over stock vvm so that meant a GB ROM.
I highly recommend Droid Theory's latest Senseless Rom. This is the smoothest and quickest ROM of his yet and that is saying something. There is a large mod community if you're interested in that. Most importantly, DT is very responsive and provides great support. He will be coming out with an update very soon to fix the market issue.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1176922
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1187545
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1187545
Just showing there's been 3-4 other similar posts in the past few hours, just to avoid fragmenting answers or not getting the answer you wanted.
Just follow my link in my signature.
Synergy is the way to go.
Thanks folks.
OK we have votes for Gingeritis 3d, Gingerth3ory and Droid Theory's latest Senseless Rom. Has anyone ran more than one of these? Any important compare/contrast between them? I care much more about stability and battery life over eye candy. Those are my top 2 concerns. If those things are improved over the stock VZW/HTC ROM I should be happy. The biggest problems with this stock ROM for me are maintaining a data connection when switching from 3G to 4G and back. Also the speed of the GPS lock is very slow. How are these things in these recommended ROMs?
(yareally: You posted 2 identical links but mentioned 4 threads. Yes the questions in some of these were related to mine but certainly were not identical request.)
I'm going to venture a guess you haven't actually looked at the threads or the dev's pages. Most have a thread for bug reports. GB ROMs are about as solid as any OTA these days. If you're new to flashing DO NOT, DO NOT use Synergy. It's a frankenstein project with no official stable release and a constant onslaught of nightlies with no end in sight. STAY AWAY FROM NIGHTLIES. Try BAMF. Try Gingeritus. Try Eaton. Try GING3R3DTH3ORY. Try something that's known to work and isn't revised several times a week. From the sounds of it, Eaton might be what you want. It looks and works very much like stock.
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Thanks folks.
OK we have votes for Gingeritis 3d, Gingerth3ory and Droid Theory's latest Senseless Rom. Has anyone ran more than one of these? Any important compare/contrast between them? I care much more about stability and battery life over eye candy. Those are my top 2 concerns. If those things are improved over the stock VZW/HTC ROM I should be happy. The biggest problems with this stock ROM for me are maintaining a data connection when switching from 3G to 4G and back. Also the speed of the GPS lock is very slow. How are these things in these recommended ROMs?
(yareally: You posted 2 identical links but mentioned 4 threads. Yes the questions in some of these were related to mine but certainly were not identical request.)
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last one was a miscopy, there was another one at least on the front page, but I was half asleep at the time. I said 3 to 4 btw, not 4. There have been lots though of rom reccomendation postings though and felt you would get a better idea by reading what other people had asked already.
i'm using Synergy with the "06275r" radio and the dreamKernal. i also have SetCPU on set to "performance". it runs really smooth and the battery life is better then stock.
i've tried pretty much every ROM out there and have had this running for several days now. i like it and will keep it for a tad bit longer(why just a tad? i can't help it.. i like to keep trying new ROM's)
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If you're new to flashing DO NOT, DO NOT use Synergy. It's a frankenstein project with no official stable release and a constant onslaught of nightlies with no end in sight. STAY AWAY FROM NIGHTLIES....Try something that's known to work and isn't revised several times a week.
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I have to disagree. Just because Synergy is updated every night does not mean you must flash reflash every day. The nightlies have very minor revisions (adding HTC Car Panel, changing the host file for better ad blocking, changing the Market icon color, changing the email splash screen, etc). If you don't need the newest revisions, then don't flash the latest nightly until something comes along that you really want/need. Synergy nightlies aren't released because it is an unstable rom. Quite the contrary. I have tried roms from 4 other devs and Synergy is the fastest & smoothest of them all. The only time I've had lockups or reboots is when I overclocked too much, which would have happened on any rom.
Don't be dissuaded from trying Synergy because there are nightly updates. If anything, that should tell you the devs are committed to making it better.
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I have to disagree. Just because Synergy is updated every night does not mean you must flash reflash every day. The nightlies have very minor revisions (adding HTC Car Panel, changing the host file for better ad blocking, changing the Market icon color, changing the email splash screen, etc). If you don't need the newest revisions, then don't flash the latest nightly until something comes along that you really want/need. Synergy nightlies aren't released because it is an unstable rom. Quite the contrary. I have tried roms from 4 other devs and Synergy is the fastest & smoothest of them all. The only time I've had lockups or reboots is when I overclocked too much, which would have happened on any rom.
Don't be dissuaded from trying Synergy because there are nightly updates. If anything, that should tell you the devs are committed to making it better.
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I don't agree with that and I'll tell you why. Let's say I tell Joe Bob to go try synergy. He does, and downloads who knows what on whatever night. Then he has a problem... Now what? Try to decipher Ziggy's advice? Try another nightly version? As far as I'm concerned nightlies are for developers. I think that because that been the whole point of nightlies from the beginning. I'm pretty sure CM was the first, but even they did that in support of a release candidate aiming towards an official release. I wouldn't tell someone "Go try a CM nightly!" even if they were looking mostly solid. I've read almost all of the thread for synergy. It's hardly a work without error. I don't believe that project is dedicated to producing reliable ROMs. They show no sign of such in any form, be it a release candidate or a final release. It appears to be a few developers tinkering and experimenting, in many cases against the law, and I cannot in good faith suggest someone fresh on the scene jump into one of the most convoluted ROMs for the Thunderbolt.
I've been using nightlies for INC and they've all been stable for the past several months. They just keep adding features. At first it sort of bugged me that I never had the most updated version but then I just lived with staying with my version for several months until I got bored enough to flash the latest.
If nightlies isn't your thing then that's fine but I don't see a reason to tell other users to stay away from them. Generally they *will* have more bugs because the dev's don't thoroughly check the ROM's before they release - they expect the people who flash to find the bugs and then they fix it in the next releases, but after a while all those bugs are gone- then they move to adding a new feature and that may have a bug, and the cycle continues.
But in most cases these bugs are very minor and overall the ROM is superior in performance / battery / features than other ROM's.
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I've been using nightlies for INC and they've all been stable for the past several months. They just keep adding features. At first it sort of bugged me that I never had the most updated version but then I just lived with staying with my version for several months until I got bored enough to flash the latest.
If nightlies isn't your thing then that's fine but I don't see a reason to tell other users to stay away from them. Generally they *will* have more bugs because the dev's don't thoroughly check the ROM's before they release - they expect the people who flash to find the bugs and then they fix it in the next releases, but after a while all those bugs are gone- then they move to adding a new feature and that may have a bug, and the cycle continues.
But in most cases these bugs are very minor and overall the ROM is superior in performance / battery / features than other ROM's.
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Please read what I wrote. I would not tell a NEW user to try a nightly. That would be stupid. The last thing some virgin flasher needs is to flash some nightly that got some new test kernel cooked into and its quirky as hell, or some jazz like that. We ALL wanted our first flash to work and not freeze or crash. I'm telling a NEW user to stay away from nightlies, not the experienced guy. I don't care how stable one night's version might be, or if almost all of them are. They are test beds and you don't know what you're getting night to night. And NO nightly I've ever used has been quirk-free.
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Please read what I wrote. I would not tell a NEW user to try a nightly. That would be stupid. The last thing some virgin flasher needs is to flash some nightly that got some new test kernel cooked into and its quirky as hell, or some jazz like that. We ALL wanted our first flash to work and not freeze or crash. I'm telling a NEW user to stay away from nightlies, not the experienced guy. I don't care how stable one night's version might be, or if almost all of them are. They are test beds and you don't know what you're getting night to night. And NO nightly I've ever used has been quirk-free.
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Well.. I've had plenty quirk-free. But the Incredible nightlies are more polished than the thunderbolts.
I think you shouldn't tell them not to flash a nightly, just warn them of possible issues and explain to them what they are (and they would see this anyway because every nightly thread I've been to explains this)
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Well.. I've had plenty quirk-free. But the Incredible nightlies are more polished than the thunderbolts.
I think you shouldn't tell them not to flash a nightly, just warn them of possible issues and explain to them what they are (and they would see this anyway because every nightly thread I've been to explains this)
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if someone is starting a thread like this, reading threads probably ain't in their game plan. I don't give advice to strangers I wouldn't give to a friend. You run something like a version of BAMF and you're running something a dev has hung his hat on. Not so with a nightly because there will be another tomorrow night! Telling a noob to try a nightly, regardless of stability, is like telling your kid to learn to drive behind the wheel of a Kenworth. If something goes wrong, its going to become a bigger deal than it would be if the guy had flashed 2 or 3 ROMs. This seems real obvious to me. Are you forgetting your first experience rooting and flashing ROMs? I'm not gonna warn someone of the dangers of doing something I consider stupid. I will say "If you want to do something stupid, go flash a nightly for your first ROM. If your LUCKY it will all work right. If it doesn't, go fly a kite because you're own your own, bro."
Thanks for the further comments. Let's not try to get too side tracked on one ROM with many nightlies. I definitely prefer to steer clear of a ROM with nightlies. I'd like to let others do all that valuable beta testing and simply benefit from their work. Selfish - sure but uncommon - no.
Just to clarify some personal details that may help with recommendations. I've read many of the posts here from the devs themselves on their ROMs. However, slogging through hundreds of pages on a small handful of ROMs is not my idea of fun... I'm quite computer/phone literate but have not done programming in years. I also work in the software industry. After years of crappy and unstable WinMo devices and plenty of random freezes, resets and data loss, I've found a pretty nice new home with Android. I'm not afraid to experiment, trouble shoot, etc. However, I want a phone to USE much more than to constantly tinker, repair, troubleshoot, etc. I'd like a really mature, stable bulletproof ROM along with the ability to have GB and keep Sense. It is incredibly difficult for me to read the oftentimes massive features lists on the first page of any given ROM thread and distinguish it from other competing offerings. Despite being pretty computer literate, most of those pages are nearly entirely "greek" to me.
Perhaps there is no single best ROM or recommendation but I am going to continue to read all the replies here and hopefully get my choice narrowed down. Of course I realize no ROM choice is permanent. I'll just say again I like to USE my device rather than constantly "tinker".
Cheers.
InfuseTh3ory ... Try it.
Since you like Sense then check out Gingeritis
http://www.themikmik.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=271
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gingertheory is a nice solid build that I've been running the last couple of weeks. No big deal breakers as far as bugs.