If it has CDMA bands and it's rootable, why hasn't a method for enabling the CDMA bands been found yet?
"I will also add that in the past the dual-sourcing made sense due to technical limitations. CDMA compatibility for Verizon and Sprint in the US and China Telecom in China made for compelling arguments for using Snapdragon variants in those markets. However since then Samsung has introduced discrete modems and Exynos SoCs with CDMA compatibility. Indeed the Exynos 9810’s new modem supports CDMA. Samsung’s licensing dispute with Qualcomm and their recent reconciliation points out to issues beyond “simple” technical matters. The fact that the Snapdragon 845 is produced by Samsung is also a factor at play. The foundry business used to be under the same corporate roof as the SoC business making Exynos chips, however last summer Samsung has spun off the manufacturing part into a separate business unit. What this means for the future of dual-sourcing Snapdragon and Exynos SoCs remains uncertain, but for now the Galaxy S9 still continues the tradition, for better or worse."
Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12460/samsung-announces-the-galaxy-s9
Sure you're not confusing CDMA with WCDMA? They aren't the same thing, and the Exynos variants don't have a CDMA radio (hence why the Snapdragon version is the one sold in the US for Sprint & Verizon).
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Sure you're not confusing CDMA with WCDMA? They aren't the same thing, and the Exynos variants don't have a CDMA radio (hence why the Snapdragon version is the one sold in the US for Sprint & Verizon).
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"I will also add that in the past the dual-sourcing made sense due to technical limitations. CDMA compatibility for Verizon and Sprint in the US and China Telecom in China made for compelling arguments for using Snapdragon variants in those markets. However since then Samsung has introduced discrete modems and Exynos SoCs with CDMA compatibility. Indeed the Exynos 9810’s new modem supports CDMA. Samsung’s licensing dispute with Qualcomm and their recent reconciliation points out to issues beyond “simple” technical matters. The fact that the Snapdragon 845 is produced by Samsung is also a factor at play. The foundry business used to be under the same corporate roof as the SoC business making Exynos chips, however last summer Samsung has spun off the manufacturing part into a separate business unit. What this means for the future of dual-sourcing Snapdragon and Exynos SoCs remains uncertain, but for now the Galaxy S9 still continues the tradition, for better or worse."
Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12460/samsung-announces-the-galaxy-s9
Interesting..... Now of course there's the secondary issue in the US at least, in that Sprint nor Verizon would still have to activate the device on their network; something they tend not to do for most devices they don't sell. I also don't believe CDMA devices use a SIM card nor the IMEI number, so you'd have to generate an ESN or MEID number manually (something that could probably be considered as illegal as changing the IMEI in many areas).
Bottom line, there's more to CDMA than just activating the radio or ensuring the proper bands are supported - at least from my understanding of the technology. Of course, I may be mistaken here just like I was about the Exynos 9810 theoretically supporting CDMA, but I still stand by my belief that it's more complicated than how we could enable Band 4 LTE on the Nexus 4 back in the day.
Verizon wireless has BYOD, so I think that rectifies one issue. Well, it's a bummer I can't connect to VZW on an exynos S9. How do I go about making it work?
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On my unrooted S9+ UAE Exynos, I got into the Mobile Network Settings. It's axiomatic that there's an option for LTE/CDMA; however, I cannot make it stick. It may be a futile option, but I don't know . Can someone test this?
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Will development for the international version be portable to the US variants? Obviously it will take some work but how hard will it be?
EDIT: What about the Epic 4G Touch specifically?
you can use any of the international version on the us variants except for tmobile as the frequenncy band is different.
Any use the same bands are compatible.
What about the sprint version as it is cdma?
You can not use international version or port the files as cdma file structure is total differemt then gsm version.
As cdma versions are not unlockable in sense you cam switch roms to suit your preferences.
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Sorry could you explain? How different are they? I just don't understand. I am not familiar with gsm as I only us a samsung moment.
gsm once unlocked can be used with any provider who uses a sim card around the world as long as you pay their fees and the phones frequencies are supported on their network. You only to insert an activated sim card no sprcial permission or codes needed.
cdma phones can not be unlocked and is limited to a few providers who support cdma.
Cdma providers general do not allow phones from other providers to be used on their networks as you need to have them register the phone on their networks with special codes.
Beastley, forget about what cosmic blue is saying. He thinks you are asking if you can use the international sgs2 on a US network.
The US phone variants have yet to be released, so there is no way to know if roms will be cross compatible with the US variant SGS2's.
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ok maybe i am wrong.. but it wont be that easy to port as the US version dont have a home button key they have those 4 touch ones.. so obviously the rom/kernel would have some diffrent codes to support them.plus one version has the notification light..
mm it would be intresting to see what comes out of the port
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Unless the us varients are either cdma or have the 1700 band, there is no diffrence betweem the roms except for the modem amd possible the csc.
Basic kernal structure will not vary
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Electroz
Unless the us varients are either cdma or have the 1700 band, there is no diffrence betweem the roms except for the modem amd possible the csc.
Basic kernal structure will not vary
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That's not at all how it was with the SGS1, so I would like to see a source for your information.
Every variation of the original SGS phones have and still require separate kernels to run the roms. The reason people can run I9000 roms on the captivate or vibrant is because people created custom kernels for the captivate/vibrant that would support I9000 roms.
The main reason you are wrong is that the button types/layouts are different which is a kernel feature. A second reason, is that they will have different hardware as well.
So, as I said, please provide proof as to why the SGS2 and it's variants are are all going to have the same kernel....
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That's not at all how it was with the SGS1, so I would like to see a source for your information.
Every variation of the original SGS phones have and still require separate kernels to run the roms. The reason people can run I9000 roms on the captivate or vibrant is because people created custom kernels for the captivate/vibrant that would support I9000 roms.
The main reason you are wrong is that the button types/layouts are different which is a kernel feature. A second reason, is that they will have different hardware as well.
So, as I said, please provide proof as to why the SGS2 and it's variants are are all going to have the same kernel....
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You maybe right.
Have we not seen enough varients from other countries to prove that my point is valid like :
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[SHW-M250*] Korean Galaxy SII M250S / M250K / M250L
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[SC-02C] Japan NTT DoCoMo Galaxy S II Users
or
Bell Canada varient.
It is a matter of opinion. We will have to wait and see what happens.
I've been searching high and low for a phone that will work on both T-mobile and AT&T. The Galaxy Nexus was going to be my choice, but it has way too many problems (screen being the biggest issue).
I found this version of the Razr Maxx which says that it has bands for both AT&T and T-Mobile. My question to you guys is this: If I buy this phone, will I be able to use it and get full 3G (HSPA+) speeds on either carrier?
http://www.clove.co.uk/motorola-razr-maxx
Thanks!
After doing some more research, it seems that the phone has to have 1700/2100 bands in order to work on T-Mobile.
The phone has 2100 band. Does this mean that T-Mobile 3G HSPA will work only when the area has that band, or not at all?
That model runs on :
GSM/GPRS Yes
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Frequencies850/900/1800/1900 MHz
and/or
3G/HSPA Yes
Frequencies2100/1900/900/850 Mhz
So YES, that model WILL WORK on ATT/TMO. Both companies have roaming agreements with each other and other companies which would allow your device to work if and when you are within a coverage area. NOT ALL features may work in certain areas AND data may be a certain speed in 1 area and in another it may be MUCH MUCH SLOWER due to the fact that it is using your 2G/GSM bands because there is no 3G/HSPA aka HSPA+ aka 4G (aka by ATT and/or TMO). This particular model CANNOT AND WILL NOT ever get true 4G/LTE.
Hope this helps...
Thanks for the answer. After doing a lot of research, I've learned that it WILL work for AT&T 3G/"4G" speeds, and will NOT work for T-Mobile 3G/"4G" speeds.
Reason being is that even though it has the 2100 band, it doesn't have the 1700 band, which T-Mobile requires for full HSPA speed. It uses one for uplink and the other for downlink. So even though it has one of the bands, I'll never be able to get full speed 3G on it.
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Thanks for the answer. After doing a lot of research, I've learned that it WILL work for AT&T 3G/"4G" speeds, and will NOT work for T-Mobile 3G/"4G" speeds.
Reason being is that even though it has the 2100 band, it doesn't have the 1700 band, which T-Mobile requires for full HSPA speed. It uses one for uplink and the other for downlink. So even though it has one of the bands, I'll never be able to get full speed 3G on it.
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after many years of following this stuff, and as a user of both tmo & att services, i must say you are exactly correct! i vaguely recall reading about a pentaband phone in development that would do 3g on both services, but lost track of whether it ever came to market
edit: turns out pentaband phones exist:
forums.androidcentral.com/android-hardware/170487-pentaband-phones.html
i'm surprised the RAZR wasn't developed as penta...
It's supposed to support Band 4 LTE and H+ with a change in APN settings. Therefore it should work on T-Mobile USA. Can anyone please confirm? A few guys here on Band 4 in Argentina say it works.
Would like to know as well, bump.
It does work. I have straighttalk with the att lte sim card and i was getting LTE speeds on the vendor rom that came with the note 3 pro but then i upgraded to the official global (was afraid vendor rom was infected with malware) and since im using the official global rom all i get is HSPA+. Cant seem to figure out what changed from roms that i cant get lte back. But to confirm yes it does get lte and hspa+
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kobe4rings said:
It does work. I have straighttalk with the att lte sim card and i was getting LTE speeds on the vendor rom that came with the note 3 pro but then i upgraded to the official global (was afraid vendor rom was infected with malware) and since im using the official global rom all i get is HSPA+. Cant seem to figure out what changed from roms that i cant get lte back. But to confirm yes it does get lte and hspa+
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That's great news. May I ask which vendor you bought it from. There are three versions apparently China, Global and India. Global definitely works but some China versions don't. Don't know about India. I bought mine from Gearbest with the Focal Tech vendor rom that I haven't changed but I have no way confirming which version it is though I suspect it's one of the China versions. Is there any way to find out? T-Mobile H+ is plenty fast but it would be nice to have LTE.
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That's great news. May I ask which vendor you bought it from. There are three versions apparently China, Global and India. Global definitely works but some China versions don't. Don't know about India. I bought mine from Gearbest with the Focal Tech vendor rom that I haven't changed but I have no way confirming which version it is though I suspect it's one of the China versions. Is there any way to find out? T-Mobile H+ is plenty fast but it would be nice to have LTE.
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I bought it from banggood.com, it was i think 25 dollars cheaper than gearbest at the time (3gb ram, 32gb model). I was getting LTE and over 25mbps always but once i flashed the official global rom all i can get is a little over 8mbps. This seems to be a common issue as ive seen it posted various times. (screenshot for speed reference. had more lte speed comparisons but i deleted the app once so i only have the only in the screenshot)
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Many Android blogs have reported that the V30 will have 600mhz compatibility, but I've seen no spec sheet or any other source that has hard citations.
Quallcomm says:
http://bgr.com/2017/08/28/galaxy-note-8-t-mobile-600mhz-support-vs-lg-v30/
The closest I've seen to confirmation of this is : https://twitter.com/JohnLegere/status/903262516977000450
Everything else is a headline with no source that says
LG V30 is T-Mobile's First 600MHz LTE Band 71 Smartphone
or
The LG V30 is the first phone to run on T-Mobile's new 600Mhz network
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Many Android blogs have reported that the V30 will have 600mhz compatibility, but I've seen no spec sheet or any other source that has hard citations.
Qualcomm says: (on August 28, BEFORE the LG V30 was officially announced)
http://bgr.com/2017/08/28/galaxy-note-8-t-mobile-600mhz-support-vs-lg-v30/
The closest I've seen to confirmation of this is : https://twitter.com/JohnLegere/status/903262516977000450
Everything else is a headline with no source that says
LG V30 is T-Mobile's First 600MHz LTE Band 71 Smartphone
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The LG V30 is the first phone to run on T-Mobile's new 600Mhz network
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Oh, come on. T-Mobile confirmed it the very day the LG V30 was announced by LG. Official T-Mobile press release on T-mobile website, from August 31 (same day LG announced the LG V30):
The newly-unveiled LG V30, the world’s first 600 MHz LTE-capable smartphone, will be available at T-Mobile this fall.
https://newsroom.t-mobile.com/news-and-blogs/tmobile-600mhz.htm
T-Mobile Ready to Rock New Spectrum With First 600 MHz LTE Smartphone & 5G-Ready Network Gear
The newly-unveiled LG V30, the world’s first 600 MHz LTE-capable smartphone, will be available at T-Mobile this fall.
August 31, 2017
The LG V30 will be the world’s first smartphone to support LTE on 600 MHz as well as other spectrum bands available from T-Mobile, and the Un-carrier plans to launch LG’s latest flagship nationwide this fall.
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It's well known and everybody has been using this T-mobile statement as reference. T-mobile released that official statement on their website the same day LG announced the LG V30 (August 31). Very easy to find.
Even the tweet you referenced FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY says it.
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Just to make clear, he also tweeted again -- referencing the official statement on the T-mobile website:
So, I really think you don't know how to click on hyperlinks or check sources at the bottom of articles? For instance, go this this article below... That T-Mobile press release on the T-mobile website is not only hyperlinked IN the article, but also separately referenced at the BOTTOM of the article.
LG V30 is Indeed T-Mobile’s First 600MHz LTE-Capable Smartphone
http://www.droid-life.com/2017/08/31/lg-v30-tmobile-600mhz-smartphone-first/
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By the way... your Qualcomm link (which states that no "existing phone" can handle 600 MHz LTE band) is not valid, because that statement (August 28) was BEFORE the LG V30 was officially announced (August 31).
So, yeah "no existing" phone (as of August 28) can handle T-Mobile band 71, because in "PR SPEAK" the LG V30 didn't exist yet on August 28 (even though reviewers already had it in their hands with signed non-disclosure contracts). The LG V30 only "exists" AFTER the LG official announcement (August 31). Qualcomm wasn't going to ruin LG's big announcement scheduled just 3 days later. And T-Mobile then quickly chimed in with their own announcement, the same day of the LG official announcement, AFTER LG's press conference.
If you ask Qualcomm now (today), their answer would be different. Yes, of course an "existing" phone -- the LG V30 -- can handle T-mobile's LTE band 71.
Does the Zenfone 9 officially "support" T-Mobile 5G? I believe the answer is NO, and that's why 5G is disabled by default. With 5G enabled on my phone, I frequently encounter a complete lack of mobile data, even though the phone is showing full signal. I believe there are certain carrier aggregation combos that the phone is using, that T-Mobile doesn't support (and/or vice versa).
Users on Reddit have noted that the following two 5G CA modes do not work on this phone:
* n41 NSA
* n41_n71 SA CA
https://www.reddit.com/r/zenfone/comments/y47z51
It seems like if you're going to try to use this phone on T-Mobile you NEED to disable 5G.
I have also seen people state that if you are rooted, you can edit QPST (carrier_policy.xml) to disable n41 entirely and it mostly "solves" the problem.
Seems like this is a pretty big problem with this phone that no one is really talking about.
I get T-mobile 5G, but only after dialing *#*#ENHANCED4G#*#* and toggling the 4G Calling option after each reboot and I don't need to reboot that often.
T-mobile US VoLTE 5G mobile data instability fix with root
I was having problems with mobile data through T-mobile in the US that I was have to disallow 5G or else the carrier connection would drop. Sometimes it would reach 4G+, but it would drop the mobile data connection all the time, especially when...
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Another update.... Lots of people tell me their calls to me go directly to voicemail, so I did some testing. Sitting at home, with very very good 5G coverage, about 25% of the time, when I placed test calls to myself (from another cell phone) the phone would not even ring, just go directly to voicemail. Same problem on wifi calling on my rock solid 1gbps/1gbps network.
If I disable 5G (use 4G only), the problem is solved.
This phone DOES NOT properly support T-Mobile 5G.
I have T-mobile and have been using Zenfone 9 (US version which is C version I believe).
Phone does support 5G for T-mobile, as you can see below. What Zenfone does not support is mmwave 5G which are on bands 258, 260 and 261 from Tmobile. That is also known as 5G UC (ultra capacity) which is usually 250-300-350Mbps network speed.
Just earlier today I measured my speed in Chicago where I had 5G+, and it came back at 192Mbps.... Now which is exactly this 5G+ band, I have no clue, but all above listed is my personal experience, and I live in Chicagoland...
Check your coverage area, and try to get Tmobile to provide you exact information on what the network band is used for the area where you live... That may be the resolution to your issues where you do not have 5G...
Btw: where I live there is just normal 5G but speeds from Tmobile are about 30Mbps for 5G and on the 4G I get about 20Mbps... I can tell you for a fact there is not much difference in what that 20Mbps does for you, while 5G is just tiny bit faster that is all...
My next phone will be Samsung S23+ or Ultra because Samsungs support ultra capacity 5G and are certainly faster on 5G UC than anything I have seen before on mobile phones.
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