Please look at the graph attached and please someone run the app and tell me if such severe throttling is present on all the devices or if I should return mine. Please.
Link to app :
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=skynet.cputhrottlingtest
There you go, After 2 mins of stress test the phone wasn't hot at all. ( only around the camera was barely warm )
Use the latest Miui 10.0.4.0 and see if it makes any difference, Also ambient temperature is important.
sohilj23 said:
There you go, After 2 mins of stress test the phone wasn't hot at all. ( only around the camera was barely warm )
Use the latest Miui 10.0.4.0 and see if it makes any difference, Also ambient temperature is important.
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Thank you so much for your response. My ambient temperature is in the lower 30s C.
So is there anything wrong with my device?
I am already on 10.0.4.0. I get CPU scores in the high 70k on antutu, and upper 6k in geekbench multi core.
Used beta once and got above 90k CPU once but safety net doesn't pass so back to stable.
Shinichi Kudo said:
Thank you so much for your response. My ambient temperature is in the lower 30s C.
So is there anything wrong with my device?
I am already on 10.0.4.0. I get CPU scores in the high 70k on antutu, and upper 6k in geekbench multi core.
Used beta once and got above 90k CPU once but safety net doesn't pass so back to stable.
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I'm no expert at these tests but it seems your device is throttling badly and getting 70k from Antutu is not normal at all, my unit is getting around 186k from Antutu so I highly recommend that you return the device and ask the seller to replace it for you, You can use Antutu as a reference to convince them that it has throttling problems or if you've bought it from an authorized distributor then surely they'll take care of it.
Good luck and hopefully you can get it replaced.
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I'm no expert at these tests but it seems your device is throttling badly and getting 70k from Antutu is not normal at all, my unit is getting around 186k from Antutu so I highly recommend that you return the device and ask the seller to replace it for you, You can use Antutu as a reference to convince them that it has throttling problems or if you've bought it from an authorized distributor then surely they'll take care of it.
Good luck and hopefully you can get it replaced.
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Thank you so very much for the prompt reply but you misunderstood a bit...and I am sorry for the confusion...I am getting higher 70k values in CPU score of antutu and overall higher 270k in total. It is a bit low in comparison to the rest of the scores I have seen here in the forum but they are using beta roms or custom kernels. So is this a bad/abnormal score?
Can I ask what is your ambient temperature?
Shinichi Kudo said:
Thank you so very much for the prompt reply but you misunderstood a bit...and I am sorry for the confusion...I am getting higher 70k values in CPU score of antutu and overall higher 270k in total. It is a bit low in comparison to the rest of the scores I have seen here in the forum but they are using beta roms or custom kernels. So is this a bad/abnormal score?
Can I ask what is your ambient temperature?
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Well now I see, In that case no it's not bad since it's all about silicon lottery and every CPU can perform slightly different so, You might get a better score or sometimes it's less than average, It's about luck and also the ambient temperature.
So try to not get so picky about these scores.
When I ran the test my ambient temperature was around 22-25 c .
sohilj23 said:
Well now I see, In that case no it's not bad since it's all about silicon lottery and every CPU can perform slightly different so, You might get a better score or sometimes it's less than average, It's about luck and also the ambient temperature.
So try to not get so picky about these scores.
When I ran the test my ambient temperature was around 22-25 c .
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Okay, thank you. I wanted this clarification itself. my ambient temps are almost 10C higher than yours and I have seen poco to be a bit too temperature sensitive. I am so relieved as I have a good devices even though it is of the first lot from august and I ordered it a week ago. Thank you so much
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Okay, thank you. I wanted this clarification itself. my ambient temps are almost 10C higher than yours and I have seen poco to be a bit too temperature sensitive. I am so relieved as I have a good devices even though it is of the first lot from august and I ordered it a week ago. Thank you so much
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Lol, this is the reason why I don't trust bench scores without ambient temp included.
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Lol, this is the reason why I don't trust bench scores without ambient temp included.
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Right...I got my lesson.
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Hi everyone,
I know 60 fps is a great thing on a smartphone. But with dual cores and high performance GPUs , it would be great to lift the FPS cap that is placed on Galaxy S II and SGS1.
How is it possible to lift the FPS cap on SGS II ? Is it something which can be done once we have the source code for the 2.3.3 which Galaxy S II comes with?
Tegra 2 equipped devices have a limit of over 80 FPS.
I dont want this fix to increase the already ridiculously high Quadrant scores (doesn't equate to real life performance anyway). I want to see how the games would run if the FPS cap is lifted?
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Hi everyone,
I know 60 fps is a great thing on a smartphone. But with dual cores and high performance GPUs , it would be great to lift the FPS cap that is placed on Galaxy S II and SGS1.
How is it possible to lift the FPS cap on SGS II ? Is it something which can be done once we have the source code for the 2.3.3 which Galaxy S II comes with?
Tegra 2 equipped devices have a limit of over 80 FPS.
I dont want this fix to increase the already ridiculously high Quadrant scores (doesn't equate to real life performance anyway). I want to see how the games would run if the FPS cap is lifted?
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Quite likely slower. Big change the screen has a refresh rate of 60 FPS. A danger when running @ higher FPS (aside from the battery use and overheating) is that you may get frame stutter. You shouldn't, but I've seen it happen on more mobile devices.
How come the LG Optimus 2X does 80 fps? is it something to do with the screen refresh ratio of an LCD vs SuperAMOLED ?
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How come the LG Optimus 2X does 80 fps? is it something to do with the screen refresh ratio of an LCD vs SuperAMOLED ?
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They're cheating to get higher benchmark scores.
Capping the frame rate is a good thing, the only reason to uncap it is to find the technical benchmark prowess of the device and not for actual usage.
lycan_codex said:
Hi everyone,
I know 60 fps is a great thing on a smartphone. But with dual cores and high performance GPUs , it would be great to lift the FPS cap that is placed on Galaxy S II and SGS1.
How is it possible to lift the FPS cap on SGS II ? Is it something which can be done once we have the source code for the 2.3.3 which Galaxy S II comes with?
Tegra 2 equipped devices have a limit of over 80 FPS.
I dont want this fix to increase the already ridiculously high Quadrant scores (doesn't equate to real life performance anyway). I want to see how the games would run if the FPS cap is lifted?
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Anything higher than the screen refresh rate is a waste of battery used to calculate non-displayed images.
Optimus 2x cheats benchmarks like that.
supercurio said:
Anything higher than the screen refresh rate is a waste of battery used to calculate non-displayed images.
Optimus 2x cheats benchmarks like that.
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hehehe...thanks for pointing that supercurio...
supercurio said:
Anything higher than the screen refresh rate is a waste of battery used to calculate non-displayed images.
Optimus 2x cheats benchmarks like that.
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but... but... I wanna cheat too...
Lol... yes please, we need a patch to leech the battery for nothing...
We really need a higher score in a useless benchmark to prove who has the longest one...
/sarcasm off
Damn guys, having the best phone is not enough? You need a totally useless patch just to boost a score (you won't even notice it... except the battery drain)...
Talking about a cap -.- My x10 has a 32fps cap be happy you guys haven't got that.
some people are just greedy.. why in the world would you need to go past 40 FPS let alone 60???
For the benchmarks? If you want to really benchmark the phone go and use a benchmarking app that has a benchmarking test that has actual textures to draw in the test, unlike CRAPPPPPY bench like Quadrant.
hahahaha my limit is 120Hz on lg 2x hahahahahaha
rulezzzor said:
hahahaha my limit is 120Hz on lg 2x hahahahahaha
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you sir got the longest one
every phone in the last few years have screens with physical limits of 60 FPS. nexus one, nexus s, desire, etc all of them have screens which max out at 60 fps as a physical limitation of the screen. i doubt the super amoled plus will be any different, so it likely has the same physical limitation as well. no way to increase it.
RogerPodacter said:
every phone in the last few years have screens with physical limits of 60 FPS. nexus one, nexus s, desire, etc all of them have screens which max out at 60 fps as a physical limitation of the screen. i doubt the super amoled plus will be any different, so it likely has the same physical limitation as well. no way to increase it.
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Of course you can make the phone produce more than 60 frames per second. But the display cannot show all of them. Except for 120Hz 3D LCDs, no LCD I know of has more than 60Hz. And it doesn't make sense to render more frames than the display can show, so the software locks it down to a maximum of 60 (VSync). This way it conserves battery and reduces heat production.
The LG 2X doesn't display more than 60Hz either, but Nvidia, not new to the game of benchmarking, decided to increase the number of produced (not displayed!) frames in order to win with benchmarks.
It is theoretically possible to do the same with the SGS2, thus creating an apples to apples comparison.
I hope some reviews like Anandtech will be able to do that. But the average Joe really doesn't.
So again, it is a software limitation set in place to get the best results from the given hardware.
Original GS already has a patch that uncap the fps to allow more than 60fps...
rulezzzor said:
hahahaha my limit is 120Hz on lg 2x hahahahahaha
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Uneducated Troll Alert!
If any man or beast thinks that the LG 2x is anywhere near the quality of the Samsung S II then they need to be locked up in a mental asylum. And by the look of your message it looks like you have been in one some time..
JD
Sent from my Samsung Galactic Beast S II
touness69 said:
Original GS already has a patch that uncap the fps to allow more than 60fps...
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Interesting, had no idea about that.
JupiterDroid said:
Uneducated Troll Alert!
If any man or beast thinks that the LG 2x is anywhere near the quality of the Samsung S II then they need to be locked up in a mental asylum. And by the look of your message it looks like you have been in one some time..
JD
Sent from my Samsung Galactic Beast S II
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LOL dddddddddddddddddddd
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hahahaha my limit is 120Hz on lg 2x hahahahahaha
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I bet your e-penis is huge. Ah well... We don't care...
Anandtech talks about power efficiency of new generation chips and mentions how the nexus 10 gets throttled down in high stress graph8c situations. Heres the specific page, at the bottom. And the article really shows just how much the cortex consumes in power, much, much more than other chipsets.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6536/arm-vs-x86-the-real-showdown/13
One of the most misleading articles I've ever read on Anandtech, that. It's full of interesting info, but ultimately there are few conclusions you can really draw other than that the 5250 has a very high TDP!
A lot of graphs show total power consumption when running a given benchmark/task, and then use this data to make assumptions on architecture/chipset performance. Even ignoring the "total device power draw" graphs (the N10 screen will suck MUCH more power than the crappy 1366x768 panels in the other tablets tested) and sticking purely to the CPU/GPU power draw comparison graphs, it must be considered that these devices are running a COMPLETELY different software stack!
This is like drawing comparisons on tyre grip when tyre A has been tested on tarmac, fitted to a 2 ton Bentley, with ambient temps of 40C and tyre B on snow, fitted to a 500kg caterham and in -20C ambient: There is simply too much different to even try and perform any kind of comparison between them. All you can do is look at the test results in isolation.
Agreed total power is way affected by the N10's screen, but at least it gives people an answer as to why they are getting slow down in games like NFS:MW
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Agreed total power is way affected by the N10's screen, but at least it gives people an answer as to why they are getting slow down in games like NFS:MW
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Except for the people who aren't getting any slowdowns in NFS:MW on the N10, myself being one of them.
So, no, it doesn't provide a conclusive answer for that, either.
What it does is provide another data point
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Except for the people who aren't getting any slowdowns in NFS:MW on the N10, myself being one of them
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I'd have to see it to believe it at this point. Can you actually distinguish when FPS changes occur (no offense or anything like that; I know someone who claims a game ran "smoothly" to them, and I can see framerate jumping all over the place, and not even being that high to start with)?
Perhaps you have a decent camera (60 FPS recording preferred) where you can show proof of such? And also are you using a custom kernel or ROM?
I've noticed that the ambient temperature in the room influences thermal throttling. If I'm sitting in a room with a jacket on and it's 65F/18C then I don't have throttling issues like when I'm sitting near the fireplace and the ambient temperature is around 80F/27C. Maybe that's obvious but just bringing it up as a possible reason why some people may not see throttling during hard gaming. I definitely see throttling playing Critical Strike Portable (Multiplayer online), and I don't remember seeing that on the N7. I still use the N10 for gaming though because the screen is so nice, I just cringe every time I see some throttling.
I changed my thermal throttle limit to 90, had no problems so far
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Pretty good write up..
One thing I find really interesting were those insanely low GPU consumption numbers by the N10 during the sun spider, kraken, etc test. The article didn't mention it (surprised), but there's two pieces of tech in the Exynos5 that are somewhat related to that:
PSR mode may be showing it's face in browser benchmarks, which cuts a lot of power when the screen is on a static image.
And OpenCL support. Which doesn't look like it's being utilized here, as GPU power consumption would probably be higher, but should bring total power consumption down by using the GPU cores to help out in task processing, similar to CUDA. I'd love to see this implemented since our SoC supports it.
Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Samsung Galaxy Note 9 stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Galaxy Note 9 water cooling tested: Does it really work? tom's guide test:
https://www.engadget.com/2018/08/21/galaxy-note-9-water-cooling-tested-does-it-really-work/
This test is flawed. His thoughts on heat and his reasoning is proof that he doesn't know anything about processor heat.
The device still gets hot... sure it does. Samsung never said the processor doesn't generate heat. The heat pipe is designed to move the heat away from the processor... but it has to go somewhere. The case still gets as hot as the Note 8, because the processor is still generating heat. It just moves that heat away more efficiently from the processor. That simple fact discredits the entire video. The case is the device's radiator, and the new water carbon thing simply moves the heat to the case more efficiently.
Despite his expert results that the water cooling isnt' making a differnece, the fat that the case is hotter IS PROOF that it IS WORKING.
To properly test the device, stress the device, get it hot, then see what the benchmark numbers are compared to a similarly hot Note 8. You will see, that the processor runs faster when the case is hot than the Note 8 did. (taking account the fact that they are different generation processors) Or more properly, test the fall off between a cold device and a hot one.
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This test is flawed. His thoughts on heat and his reasoning is proof that he doesn't know anything about processor heat.
The device still gets hot... sure it does. Samsung never said the processor doesn't generate heat. The heat pipe is designed to move the heat away from the processor... but it has to go somewhere. The case still gets as hot as the Note 8, because the processor is still generating heat. It just moves that heat away more efficiently from the processor. That simple fact discredits the entire video. The case is the device's radiator, and the new water carbon thing simply moves the heat to the case more efficiently.
Despite his expert results that the water cooling isnt' making a differnece, the fat that the case is hotter IS PROOF that it IS WORKING.
To properly test the device, stress the device, get it hot, then see what the benchmark numbers are compared to a similarly hot Note 8. You will see, that the processor runs faster when the case is hot than the Note 8 did. (taking account the fact that they are different generation processors) Or more properly, test the fall off between a cold device and a hot one.
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Exactly this! I am baffled how many comments from the media are there about how the cooling doesn't work, because the phone body gets hot. Roflmao... this is a closed environment, where the heat will go? I would argue that the phone body should be even hotter with better cooling on the SOC. That cooling is there to prevent performance degradation/throttling and let the cpu/gpu/whole SOC perform better, NOT to lower the body temperature.
https://hothardware.com/news/galaxy-note-9-vs-oneplus-6-benchmark-bake-off
Here you got the right comparison and it's clear - note 9 sustain performance is better than oneplus 6 that is one of the top in that regards.
This isn't scientific, but while setting the phone up and having the screen on for 2 hours straight, restoring backups and downloading apps, the phone didn't get very hot. I haven't tested gaming yet, but so far heat doesn't seem to be an issue.
It would be great if people post CPU and batteru temp, version (exynos or snapdragon) and how the phone is being used when it gets hot.
If you don't have systems check app, here is one
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=flar2.devcheck
Thanks
high_voltage said:
Exactly this! I am baffled how many comments from the media are there about how the cooling doesn't work, because the phone body gets hot. Roflmao... this is a closed environment, where the heat will go? I would argue that the phone body should be even hotter with better cooling on the SOC. That cooling is there to prevent performance degradation/throttling and let the cpu/gpu/whole SOC perform better, NOT to lower the body temperature.
https://hothardware.com/news/galaxy-note-9-vs-oneplus-6-benchmark-bake-off
Here you got the right comparison and it's clear - note 9 sustain performance is better than oneplus 6 that is one of the top in that regards.
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This is great. It shows that they actually know what they're talking about, haha.
This phone sure generates some heat. But for me, coming from note 4, the heat is significantly lesser without compromising performance.
Agree on poster above on the phone casing acts as a radiator. As the copper pipe size has increased, I'm not surprised about the heat. Its still manageable.
Buy something like spigen tough armor and you won't feel the heat at all. If it works without problems, don't kill brain with unimportant things....otherwise you have warranty
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Thanks @boufa I was about to complain about the phone getting hot while running multiple applications but I read your comment and come to think about it,it didn't bog down. You must be an engineer or something?
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It would be great if people post CPU and batteru temp, version (exynos or snapdragon) and how the phone is being used when it gets hot.
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I tried an app called "Synchronize Ultimate", which made my Note 9 hot as hell. I've uninstalled, because its tasks aren't (shouldn't be) this CPU intensive at all. Looks like bad code.
Other than that, the only times it feels a little hot is after having been recharged on Wireless charger. All the rest seems like a walk in the park for this Exynos board.
I think this Qualcomm Snapdragon variants suffer from this issue the most as the adreno GPU has a tendency to produce allot of heat. The Samsung Exynos variants do not suffer from this issue and tend to run allot cooler. I have noticed this with both my Note 4 N910C and my Note 8 N950N.
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I think this Qualcomm Snapdragon variants suffer from this issue the most as the adreno GPU has a tendency to produce allot of heat. The Samsung Exynos variants do not suffer from this issue and tend to run allot cooler. I have noticed this with both my Note 4 N910C and my Note 8 N950N.
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You can't compare different SOCs like that. 9810 is quite a hot chip actually. If you will compare, compare the exact SOC generation and in this case - sd845 vs exynos 9810. For example my s7e exynos has a lot better battery life/CPU performance/smoothness vs sd820 variant that is only slightly faster in GPU. This year (search the forums) sd845 got better battery life, faster real world CPU performance, is smoother and has 25-35% faster GPU depending on the load. If I go by you, I will write all day long how great the exynos is based on 2y ago chip where this was true compared to that time qualcomm variant... and this is wrong for this year.
Generalising like that in fast moving forward industry is not a good thing. Never state something about a SOC because of previous ones.
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Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Samsung Galaxy Note 9 stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.
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Sorry but my experience has been very different and a bit disappointing.
I was testing 4k 60fps recording on a "sunny day" Note 9 vs iPhone X vs OnePlus 6.
The iPhone went on for 10 min no problem with 4k at 60fps. OnePlus 6 also didn't heat up as much.
note 9 on the other hand can only do 4k 60 fps for 5 min and got very hot and video recording shut off after 3 min. I got an onscreen msg saying phone is too hot won't be able to continue untill it cools down etc.
In 2018 I would expect Snapdragon would be able to record in 4k 60fps for at least 10 min. [emoji35]
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geronemo said:
Sorry but my experience has been very different and a bit disappointing.
I was testing 4k 60fps recording on a "sunny day" Note 9 vs iPhone X vs OnePlus 6.
The iPhone went on for 10 min no problem with 4k at 60fps. OnePlus 6 also didn't heat up as much.
note 9 on the other hand can only do 4k 60 fps for 5 min and got very hot and video recording shut off after 3 min. I got an onscreen msg saying phone is too hot won't be able to continue untill it cools down etc.
In 2018 I would expect Snapdragon would be able to record in 4k 60fps for at least 10 min. [emoji35]
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In this case be sure that your Note 9 phone needs to be replaced or returned
I was a Note 4 & S7 user and I would never thought Samsung or any OEM will solve this heat problems on the future but... here comes Samsung Note 9 to prove me wrong about it... It would NEVER heat ... and when I say heat.. is when it comes uncomfortable to hold it on my hand.. when I was having Note 4 or S7.. it would heat alot specially on the upper center of the screen whenever I put heavy load into it. Putting the same heavy load that I would put it on Note 4 or S7 on a Note 9 Exynos... it was huge difference like day & night Note 9 Exynos version will always stay cooler compared to Snapdragon. I tried both and I buyed the Exynos variant with a peace of mind :angel:
Snapdragon have a history of heat problems when using Octa cores on there SOC and I wouldn't be surprised if it is still suffering from this problem in 2018 or even 2019 also Exynos have a history too but to a lesser extent than Snapdragon
I all what I said above is through experience that I went through.... YMMV Peace out! :fingers-crossed:
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In this case be sure that your Note 9 phone needs to be replaced or returned
I was a Note 4 & S7 user and I would never thought Samsung or any OEM will solve this heat problems on the future but... here comes Samsung Note 9 to prove me wrong about it... It would NEVER heat ... and when I say heat.. is when it comes uncomfortable to hold it on my hand.. when I was having Note 4 or S7.. it would heat alot specially on the upper center of the screen whenever I put heavy load into it. Putting the same heavy load that I would put it on Note 4 or S7 on a Note 9 Exynos... it was huge difference like day & night Note 9 Exynos version will always stay cooler compared to Snapdragon. I tried both and I buyed the Exynos variant with a peace of mind :angel:
Snapdragon have a history of heat problems when using Octa cores on there SOC and I wouldn't be surprised if it is still suffering from this problem in 2018 or even 2019 also Exynos have a history too but to a lesser extent than Snapdragon
I all what I said above is through experience that I went through.... YMMV Peace out! :fingers-crossed:
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Thanks for the input. Unfortunately I didn't have my IR temp reader and it's now it's impossible to replicate the issue coz it's colder. Apart from that I haven't had any other issue.
I might make YT video about it in near future. Unfortunately have never used Exonys here in US and have heard great things about it.
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Sorry but my experience has been very different and a bit disappointing.
I was testing 4k 60fps recording on a "sunny day" Note 9 vs iPhone X vs OnePlus 6.
The iPhone went on for 10 min no problem with 4k at 60fps. OnePlus 6 also didn't heat up as much.
note 9 on the other hand can only do 4k 60 fps for 5 min and got very hot and video recording shut off after 3 min. I got an onscreen msg saying phone is too hot won't be able to continue untill it cools down etc.
In 2018 I would expect Snapdragon would be able to record in 4k 60fps for at least 10 min. [emoji35]
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It's known that every year the exynos is vastly superior in encoding/decoding capabilities. The exynos 9810 most likely won't suffer from that problem at all (actually I found comments about your statement and all were about sd845). Really poor indeed that samsung didn't optimise the sd845 the same way as oneplus did... :/ Maybe there is something to do also with bitrate (this one is not tied only to the reslolution/FPS of the video), maybe the note 9 records a lot more info = higher load on the SOC = more heat vs the oneplus.
i'm comparing my note 9 with my poco F1, my N9 is way higher than poco F1.
The only time mine gets hot is when I fast charge, I've tried virtually every high performance game there is and the ac rarely goes past 100-105f
Mine get hot realy fast when is in car in sun with waze open. I get a messsage phone is overheat and all app are closed cant open must restart. Happend couple of times. Realy dissapointed. Note 7 was the best phone i ever had. No heat at all. Then note 8. No heat issues. Cant wait note 10. Im seek of note 9 problem with pie
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It's not a clickbait,saw some early antutu scores and noticed one interesting thing. Theres Normal mode and Performace(cheat?!) mode.
Phone is ofc designed to be used in normal mode in 24/7 use,since performace produces more heat and raises power consumption beyond level for sustainable use.
In normal mode phone seriously underperforms in benchmarks,for example gets 270k while SD845 phones are getting 290k+. Performance mode bumps Kirin's scores to 310k+.
Other area where phone underperforms is GPU section under antutu. Gets bout 9k in normal mode and 10k in performance mode while Ardeno 630 powered phones score 12k w ease.
I know these benchmarks don't mean much in general use but in phone gaming era,you can actually feel that difference(having owned both Mate 10 Pro and OP6).
I think history repeated itself and we got SoC that will barely match last generation of SD and be totally obliterated by next.
Guess we'll know more when Anandtech makes in depth review.
troublecro said:
It's not a clickbait,saw some early antutu scores and noticed one interesting thing. Theres Normal mode and Performace(cheat?!) mode.
Phone is ofc designed to be used in normal mode in 24/7 use,since performace produces more heat and raises power consumption beyond level for sustainable use.
In normal mode phone seriously underperforms in benchmarks,for example gets 270k while SD845 phones are getting 290k+. Performance mode bumps Kirin's scores to 310k+.
Other area where phone underperforms is GPU section under antutu. Gets bout 9k in normal mode and 10k in performance mode while Ardeno 630 powered phones score 12k w ease.
I know these benchmarks don't mean much in general use but in phone gaming era,you can actually feel that difference(having owned both Mate 10 Pro and OP6).
I think history repeated itself and we got SoC that will barely match last generation of SD and be totally obliterated by next.
Guess we'll know more when Anandtech makes in depth review.
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I think you're right. Next snapdragon gpu will kick its behind! Cause its not much better gpu wise than the 845 right now, if at all?
But the gpu's these days are overkill for most things and I'm loving the look of the mate 20 X. It'll be good enough
No actually it has a worse GPU than 845.
And I wouldn't call all GPUs of this era an overkill taken into consideration levels of graphics we're getting in new games.
I know that most of ppl don't game on their phones but numbers of those who do are rapidly growing and mobile gaming market is becoming larger and larger by every day.
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No actually it has a worse GPU than 845.
And I wouldn't call all GPUs of this era an overkill taken into consideration levels of graphics we're getting in new games.
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Overkill for most games? No? And I'm hoping it's on par at least with 845 which handles everything I throw at it really easily.
The Mali G76MP10 is actually slower then the Adreno 630 but at least, it should be quite power efficient. Just read the Kirin 980 article from Anandtech.
Im waiting for anandtech review of Kirin not previews. Not interested in pre release benchmarks but real one, along power consumption and throttling.
Kirin 970 also should have been power efficient but it turned quite opposite.
The GPU is probably fine, but not able to compete with SD845 under normal speeds. So Hisilicon pushed it beyond limits to get the edge over SD845. Kind of like how Vega 64 was pushed beyond limits to get faster than the GTX 1080.
Like before on the Kirin 960 and 970, the max GPU speed is impressive, but not at all sustainable.
For me, the only slight disappointment is the lack of 120Hz at the highest resolution. I heard conflicting rumors on that, and I was hoping things would end up the other way. But not a huge deal, really.
Everything else was what I'd hoped! Got the + version of the snapdragon, price was reasonable for what it is, pre-order deals are sweet enough to entice me, new s-pen features look exciting, it got the new Gorilla Glass I hoped for, it's for every hardware spec I could want (maybe 5000 mAh battery would be cooler, but whatever, battery life is plenty with the past devices for me), beautiful finishes (the matte bronze... Awesome... But why does the Ultra not get that sweet green variety??), amazingly low response time on s-pen, integration with Windows/Microsoft/Xbox, phenomenal camera specs (I don't need 100 times meaningless digital zoom), got the laser autofocus thing to help speed up focusing... This thing is perfect, basically.
If I could build the perfect phone, it'd be this one with an IR blaster, fingerprint scanner on the back (or improved in-screen), camera under screen instead of punchout, slightly larger battery, and 256GB base storage. Maybe 16GB of RAM just to be ridiculous. MAYBE a slightly higher optical zoom. But now I'm just being picky. This is as close to perfect as I've seen a phone be in my lifetime.
Same here. [email protected] Hope they enable it (if it's capable) with an update. Seeing the S20 has not gotten it, I'm not holding my breath. Odd that that specific item took away all the excitement I had for this device.
You honestly can't notice a difference when you change resolutions. I looks good and feels really snappy either way. I've been using it for 3 weeks now and its been just fine for me.
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Same here. [email protected] Hope they enable it (if it's capable) with an update. Seeing the S20 has not gotten it, I'm not holding my breath. Odd that that specific item took away all the excitement I had for this device.
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I really thought they'd add it just to differentiate it from the S20 Ultra some more. Not too big a deal though. I just peeked for fun, and I was running my Note10+ on 1080p without realizing it. Haha.
I'm still pumped for that smooth scrolling, 5G, 9ms latency on s-pen, and the overall beauty of that phone.
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You honestly can't notice a difference when you change resolutions. I looks good and feels really snappy either way. I've been using it for 3 weeks now and its been just fine for me.
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I really thought they'd add it just to differentiate it from the S20 Ultra some more. Not too big a deal though. I just peeked for fun, and I was running my Note10+ on 1080p without realizing it. Haha.
I'm still pumped for that smooth scrolling, 5G, 9ms latency on s-pen, and the overall beauty of that phone.
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That's good to hear. I'm coming in from a Note 8 so, I'm sure almost everything about this phone will be an upgrade for me either way. :good:
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That's good to hear. I'm coming in from a Note 8 so, I'm sure almost everything about this phone will be an upgrade for me either way. :good:
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Oh dang... Yeah man, I had a Note8, Note9, Note10+, and now will have Note20 Ultra... EVERY one of those phones felt a lot nicer than the last... So yes, you're gonna have your socks knocked off!
> Sticking to the same ice-age tiny and not-so-reliable FP scanner and not implementing the newer 3D Sonic Max Sensor(which is not even very new to have an excuse)!
> Reduction of 500 mAh from the S20 Ultra to feed the same display size in the Note 20 Ultra!
(Instead of reducing the thickness of the N20U coming from the S20U, Sammy most probably could have retained the same thickness or even made it little thicker to have the same 5000 mAh b).
> Not having an option to use 120 Hz RR at QHD+!
- are my disappointments.
As for battery, on the plus side the better screen type, better CPU, and the dynamic refresh rate should balance the scales. I bet battery life will exceed the S20 Ultra, actually!
The FP scanner is tolerable but I would have LOVED to hear about improvements. So there's a better one out there?? Man... What a missed opportunity.
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As for battery, on the plus side the better screen type, better CPU, and the dynamic refresh rate should balance the scales. I bet battery life will exceed the S20 Ultra, actually!
The FP scanner is tolerable but I would have LOVED to hear about improvements. So there's a better one out there?? Man... What a missed opportunity.
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It being LTPO, adaptive RR is the whole and lone advantage I think for batterylife. And "plus" version of the SD SoC drains more battery than the vanilla one is what I know of, as the cores are clocked higher. This adaptive/dynamic RR would be a big plus and SD version will have good batt. life considering all factors even though batt. is now small.
Batt. endurance isn't/wasn't looking good in the Exynos counterparts in the S20 series. Will it be better this time around with a "small" battery and not so batt.-friendly SoC? ... don't know. It's still Exynos 990 and not 992 or something to have an architectural advantage created using in different febricated process. Rumors suggest CPU/GPU improvements in some ways, and I'm confused here if battery effeciency would be a part of it due to less heat/throttle.. Or to rule them all, adaptive RR is more than enough here too, to have more battery life than before?
The FP recognition is improved and responsive apparently.
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The FP recognition is improved and responsive apparently.
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Oh really? Was that true on the S-series this year or it that Note-specific? I've not read anything about that anywhere!
As for the rest of your comment... I guess we'll just wait and see! I'm not worried about battery at all, but I am in the US so the Snapdragon is why I'm not worried. Over my Note10+, this battery is LARGER and this generation of CPU may be more efficient so I'm guessing my battery life will be on par with this after adding in the 120Hz.
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Oh really? Was that true on the S-series this year or it that Note-specific? I've not read anything about that anywhere!
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Note-specific,the one in the Note 20 Ultra:
Fast forward to 07:09 here and 06:51 here.
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As for the rest of your comment... I guess we'll just wait and see! I'm not worried about battery at all, but I am in the US so the Snapdragon is why I'm not worried. Over my Note10+, this battery is LARGER and this generation of CPU may be more efficient so I'm guessing my battery life will be on par with this after adding in the 120Hz.
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Yes, you're good there. I get to use Exynos and gives battery anxiety by late afternoon when used in mobile data(S20+) on moderate use @120 Hz, have doubt on the Shannon modem as well..
Will wait and see for the rest!
From my mate pro 10 :
1/ mobile dock, a great feature
2/ battery duration very low ! 1 day !
3/ fingerprint not really accurate
4/ overheat easy
Carrier specific Video calling?
So I see in another thread that someone with Verizon has a similar problem and I have T-mobile but can anyone confirm or deny the carrier specific video calling function? Look like (even in settings I checked) that the function is just not there for this device and you can only use DUO. I even downloaded The official T-mobile firmware and flashed my device twice this morning (1x with regular CSC file and another with the HOME CSC file and it made no difference). I bought mine carrier unlocked but the theory was flashing the firmware for T-mobile would've enabled those features but not even getting the T-mobile logo.
Can anyone confirm the same? I have the Note 20 and not the Ultra but it shouldn't make a difference.
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So I see in another thread that someone with Verizon has a similar problem and I have T-mobile but can anyone confirm or deny the carrier specific video calling function? Look like (even in settings I checked) that the function is just not there for this device and you can only use DUO. I even downloaded The official T-mobile firmware and flashed my device twice this morning (1x with regular CSC file and another with the HOME CSC file and it made no difference). I bought mine carrier unlocked but the theory was flashing the firmware for T-mobile would've enabled those features but not even getting the T-mobile logo.
Can anyone confirm the same? I have the Note 20 and not the Ultra but it shouldn't make a difference.
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Confirmed. I'm in the US, on T-MOBILE. I can use both carrier specific video calling and Duo.