I have been searching for this on here for awhile to no answers, but has anyone ever places a GV40 in place of a GV30 in a Moto Z, Reason I'm asking is that I have a bad GV30, 3rd on to be honest, and getting sick of it failing consistently, and never heard much about the GV40s going bad. I know you need to do a little 'Modding' to the plastic around the chip on the battery, but I mean outside that, it's like the idea of placing the Droid Maxx battery into the Atrix HD phone? If anyone has any thoughts, please tell me cause I'm highly considering it.
Brizzlemonk said:
I have been searching for this on here for awhile to no answers, but has anyone ever places a GV40 in place of a GV30 in a Moto Z, Reason I'm asking is that I have a bad GV30, 3rd on to be honest, and getting sick of it failing consistently, and never heard much about the GV40s going bad. I know you need to do a little 'Modding' to the plastic around the chip on the battery, but I mean outside that, it's like the idea of placing the Droid Maxx battery into the Atrix HD phone? If anyone has any thoughts, please tell me cause I'm highly considering it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
C'mon! It sounds crazy! Just check the dimensions between Moto Z and Moto Z force! It's much thicker...
I think it's not a good idea for ordinary usage, except of testing it.
If you feel your battery is bad try using regular chargers, not the turbo ones. Otherwise, if you want bigger capacity, something that cannot be done because there is no physical space to fit, you may try the extended ones: https://dropwow.com/product/684590
Let us know!
Look at the batteries side to side (will post pictures when I get the GV40), they are fairly similar, really the biggest difference is the ribbon cable. They both have the little lip on the one side to cover up the little plastic piece on the side. The worst is just getting the board on the battery to fit properly, if I get this to work, I'll post pictures and work it out for people since I'm sick of burning through GV30s at this point with little success.
We are expecting the photos. If you can find through the internet any dimensions of both batteries, post here.
---------- Post added at 11:31 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:01 AM ----------
I did a research and I am petrified. Despite the fact that the dimensions of the phones are different :
Moto z : 153.3 x 75.3 x 5.2 mm (6.04 x 2.96 x 0.20 in)
Moto z force : 155.9 x 75.8 x 7 mm (6.14 x 2.98 x 0.28in)
There is enough space to fit the moto z force's battery, in my opinion.
Moto z battery (GV30) : 75.80 X 65.40 X 3.30 mm (2630mah)
Moto z force battery (GV40) : 70.80 x 59.82 x 3.48mm (3280mah)
But! There is a significant difference as regards as the thickness, which differs 0.18mm. This is supposed to be the main problem. The chassis may has gaps or bends.
Might not be a good idea for ordinary use.
*the dimension found in the following sites :
https://www.batteryship.com/htmlos/htmlos.cgi/batteryship/catalog.html?item=SNN5968A&model=GV40
https://www.batteryship.com/htmlos/htmlos.cgi/batteryship/catalog.html?item=SNN5972A&model=GV30
So I did it, not as bad as I thought, the biggest thing you run into is the glass sits slight higher, but barely noticeable. Overall, the battery is doing it first test run for me seeing how it charges over night here, but I see nothing. In the morning once I look into it and see ho everything functions with it I will post all the photos I have going through it and what I needed to do to make it fit. Nothing much on that front, just a piece of plastic. Screen function is working right, plus any moto mods I had worked well thus far. Wifi, bluetooth are functioning, and the finger print with no issues. I'm just surprised others didn't think of doing this given the info the guy above me posted about the battery differences.
This sounds great. I'm looking forward to see those pictures! :good:
Give to us more information about the whole procedure and the new-battery-lifetime. Do you see any big difference about Screen On Time (SOT) with the GV40?
Do you may have problems with liquids which can get inside from the new ''gap''?
No answere. What a pitty.
Since my battery is decreasing rapidly, I desperately ordered a replacement battery (LOSONCOER 3100mAh GV30, 9,53€) today from Aliexpress.
If the mod GV40 @ XT1650 is possible, please show us your work and the results. So that everyone who is willing to risk this mod can profit from your experiences.
Thanks!
Because of this thread, i'm finally buying an GV30 and GV40 just to compare and prepare for the day i'm replacing my moto z battery
Note :
1. The main difference is the thickness, the GV40 is 0.14mm thicker than GV30
2. I take off all the GV40 black tape, but the GV40 still wider by about 0.2mm (but i think its not a problem)
3. The connector position is very quite identical
I'm sorry i'm not yet put the GV40 in my moto z, because my moto z still under warranty until April 19, maybe i'll put the GV40 when the warranty expires
Thanks
blinkerss said:
Because of this thread, i'm finally buying an GV30 and GV40 just to compare and prepare for the day i'm replacing my moto z battery
Note :
1. The main difference is the thickness, the GV40 is 0.14mm thicker than GV30
2. I take off all the GV40 black tape, but the GV40 still wider by about 0.2mm (but i think its not a problem)
3. The connector position is very quite identical
I'm sorry i'm not yet put the GV40 in my moto z, because my moto z still under warranty until April 19, maybe i'll put the GV40 when the warranty expires
Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you have a calipers, would you mind to verify (or not!) these dimensions I posted? Because they seem quite similar!
Moto z battery (GV30) : 75.80 X 65.40 X 3.30 mm (2630mah)
Moto z force battery (GV40) : 70.80 x 59.82 x 3.48mm (3280mah)
I'm looking forward to get the SOT of the GV40!
Any results guys?
it's not worth it:
1. gv40 will make gap more than 1mm between the screen and body, and your screen will bend when you try to glue it
2. gv40 battery socket/ribbon cable not 100% compatible with moto z, even though the gv40 socket is identical with gv30, but the socket position is make it harder to snap it into moto z, the only solution is using gv30 ribbon cable into gv40
So I replaced my gv30 with a gv40. Like others have mentioned, glass sits slightly higher, but hardly noticeable. I also have a case with a bit of a lip that covers that front edge so you can't tell. My question is: do I need to make any software modifications for the higher capacity battery? I am using LOS 16, root with magisk. Everything in the phone appears to be working perfectly although I don't notice a huge difference between the gv30 and gv40 in terms of battery life. Is there any modifications that need to be made for the phone to recognize the bigger battery size?
I just replaced my GV30, but I might consider doing the GV40 next time. I have a question, how is the front LED, proximity sensor AND front camera working? Does the camera work ok? No shadow on edges? When the LED turns on, does it affect the pictures? When placing a call, does the phone turn off the display thinking it's next to your face?
Thanks.
Camera, LED and proximity sensor all working fine. Only thing I noticed is the notification light is a bit off, still shines just not as bright. Other than that no issues I've encountered. No shadows on pictures taken or issues with screen turning off during calls
esaad86 said:
Camera, LED and proximity sensor all working fine. Only thing I noticed is the notification light is a bit off, still shines just not as bright. Other than that no issues I've encountered. No shadows on pictures taken or issues with screen turning off during calls
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Got any pics you could share? I want to see this "gap"
Thanks!
Related
Now that a BNIB Nexus 6 (not 6p) is $300, I am getting the itch to swap my XZU for one. The N6 has a slightly faster processor, thinner bezels, higher screen resolution, more RAM, better camera (with flash), bigger battery, and oleophobic gorilla glass 3 instead of a plastic screen protector with non-oleophobic glass underneath. But I love my unique XZU with its bigger (non AMOLED) screen, thinner body, SD card slot, and water resistance.
Am I crazy to switch, or is the N6 a worthy successor at its current price? I'm guessing it'd cost around $100 to switch (sell the XZU for $200ish).
bchaney16 said:
Now that a BNIB Nexus 6 (not 6p) is $300, I am getting the itch to swap my XZU for one. The N6 has a slightly faster processor, thinner bezels, higher screen resolution, more RAM, better camera (with flash), bigger battery, and oleophobic gorilla glass 3 instead of a plastic screen protector with non-oleophobic glass underneath. But I love my unique XZU with its bigger (non AMOLED) screen, thinner body, SD card slot, and water resistance.
Am I crazy to switch, or is the N6 a worthy successor at its current price? I'm guessing it'd cost around $100 to switch (sell the XZU for $200ish).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I wouldn't make such a switch (and I have tried the N6). It is a better idea to keep the Ultra until new Snapdragon 820 based devices with bigger screens are out.
To me, the smaller display and limited storage are the key deal breakers and despite the benefits of higher screen resolution, I haven't been happy with the color reproduction on some N6s I have been trying.
From my point of view, there are no device which can fully replace the Ultra just yet. There are devices that better some parameters (such as higher display resolution and a better camera) but it usually falls back on areas such as display size or developer support and so forth.
What I would recommend is rather to keep the Ultra and see if Sony introduces a Z5 Tablet Compact, which could work as a direct replacement (I have decided to get an 8 inch device as a replacement when something with Snapdragon 820, 4 GB RAM, 2K or 4K display etc is in the market).
After I saw the nasty screen burn, I'dstay away from AMOLED.
mingkee said:
After I saw the nasty screen burn, I'dstay away from AMOLED.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Also, you know how most smokers' teeth go from white to yellow after some years? Yup, same with AMOLED. Sure, it looks pretty, but that beauty doesn't last.
Dat goddamn AMOLED. Dim and red-tinted as hell. You wouldn't want that. Even as a Nexus fan I deem it my most disliked Nexus phone.
Sent from Google Nexus 4 @ CM12.1
[WARNING: XDA Premium 4.0.13+ lacks Signature function - do not update]
If i had to buy a new phone today i would def buy a nexus 6 for $300. Fortunately i dont though, and i am quite happy with my nearly 2 year old 6806. Until it dies, is stolen, is broken or there is a REAL replacement for it, it reamins with me on the daily!
bchaney16 said:
Now that a BNIB Nexus 6 (not 6p) is $300, I am getting the itch to swap my XZU for one. The N6 has a slightly faster processor, thinner bezels, higher screen resolution, more RAM, better camera (with flash), bigger battery, and oleophobic gorilla glass 3 instead of a plastic screen protector with non-oleophobic glass underneath. But I love my unique XZU with its bigger (non AMOLED) screen, thinner body, SD card slot, and water resistance.
Am I crazy to switch, or is the N6 a worthy successor at its current price? I'm guessing it'd cost around $100 to switch (sell the XZU for $200ish).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I already did the switch. Ill write another post about this.
Im getting the 64 GB version Nexus 6. Cant wait to try it out. Its the only good 6 coll phablet out there.
Currently I use Z Ultra as LTE tablet on mobile broadband ($10/5GB) and it works.
Unfortunately, it's impossible to find comparable 7" tablet with decent spec.
I am recently own both of them.
The next phone in my plan is Moto X Style.
(Until the customROMs up and Price down.)
I personally think updating from SD 800 to SD 805 is very incremental in nature(benchmark scores support this idea) I'm waiting for z5 ultra or some other phablet with snapdragon 820 and quadHD screen and 4Gb of RAM. I will wait until its a year old and then I will buy that phone. I will make sure that there are a lot of developers for that phone in XDA before buying ?. My phone hits 39k in antutu, if SD 820 hits 75k it will truly be an upgrade.
Sent from my Nexus 9 using XDA Free mobile app
Got a Nexus 6 now. Rooted it, installed CM12.
A few points:
1. Installing custom roms and Bootloader unlocking is easier than in Z ultra.
2 Gorilla Glass feels smooth, amoled is really great.
3 Camera on Nexus 6 is great. However, its better in stock rom than in CM12.
4. Very smooth. No stutters at all.
Well I currently own a Z Ultra. And recently bought a Nexus 6. I must say its a real pleasure to use the Nexus 6.. Minus the screen size, it is superior in every way.. The speaker is fantastic, developer support is there and still growing, screen with correct calibration u can achieve IPS colour quality, no yellowish/pinkish tint. Camera miles better. Battery a little better. A little better processing power.
Dun get me wrong, I love the Z Ultra, its a absolutely beautiful device and I am definitely going to keep it. But for me I could never really get used to it as a phone. Its simply too big... Development is slowing down as well. Speaker is really a joke.
The lack of a micro SDHC card slot and smaller screen killed the older nexus 6 for me.
The only real negative for me about the XZU is the speaker. Lack of flash is minor issue. After far no complaints.
If there's a Z5 ultra, I'll buy it if it's faster with more RAM and better battery life, and keeps the magnetic charge connector or replaces it with Qi, and keeps the card slot, has decent speakers and new better camera with flash.
speculatrix said:
The lack of a micro SDHC card slot and smaller screen killed the older nexus 6 for me.
The only real negative for me about the XZU is the speaker. Lack of flash is minor issue. After far no complaints.
If there's a Z5 ultra, I'll buy it if it's faster with more RAM and better battery life, and keeps the magnetic charge connector or replaces it with Qi, and keeps the card slot, has decent speakers and new better camera with flash.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It will definitely have a faster CPU, which will be the S820. It will probably have 3-4GB of RAM, battery probably around 3500mAh, no magnetic charging connector, and no Qi. What makes me say these things?
The first 820-devices will hit the market in Q1 2016, so it will most certainly have it too. The Z5 has 3GB of RAM, so it'll probably have 3GB, unless they bump it up to 4, but Sony has never been the OEM who throws a lot of RAM into their devices, like Samsung. So I'll say 3GB, but maybe 4.
The magnetic charger is gone from the Z3+, Z5 and Z5C (Z1, Z2, Z3 had it), so it looks like they're done with the magnetic connector, and it doesn't exist a single Sony product with Qi, or any other wireless charging, so I'd say that that's also a no-go.
But all we can do now is to speculate, so yeah, who knows.
yeah, I know wireless charging is unlikely. I can't understand why Sony didn't adopt it to replace the mag charge coupler. However, one problem with the mag coupler is that if you use a cable rather than a dock, you can attach it the wrong way round, which is down to stupidity plain and simple!
speculatrix said:
yeah, I know wireless charging is unlikely. I can't understand why Sony didn't adopt it to replace the mag charge coupler. However, one problem with the mag coupler is that if you use a cable rather than a dock, you can attach it the wrong way round, which is down to stupidity plain and simple!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yup, I managed to plug it in the wrong way into the dock ones and I almost screamed. Nothing was damaged though, but I know a couple of people around here haven't been that lucky. The most annoying thing with a regular USB cable is the plugging, especially when when there's a flap there too. Let's hope there is a Z Ultra 5, or something though. Would love to have it with a better camera and smaller bezels.
To clarify, I meant it's a stupid design, not stupid people doing it. I only connected mine once the other way accidentally for a split second and the phone instantly turned off, luckily not damaged.
speculatrix said:
To clarify, I meant it's a stupid design, not stupid people doing it. I only connected mine once the other way accidentally for a split second and the phone instantly turned off, luckily not damaged.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Haha, yeah I got that. It's just too easy to connect it the wrong way, and once that happens.. well.. bad things might happen, well, bad thing WILL happen. I had the same experience as you. Connected it wrong for a split second, pulled it off and what I got was a blinking red LED above the screen, rebooted and it was all fine again. Crappy design? Very. But it's more annoying to open the USB flap and connect the charger every night, in my opinion.
really torn between these two devices ,
am talking about AOSP or CM on z5c , is AOSP working well on it ?
the 5x display is not that great , is the z5c display any better ?
any suggestion is appreciated .
I have just been evaluating the two side my side for the past fortnight trying to decide which to keep.
Hightlights of the z5c have been its size, speaker quality, and overall build quality. Micro SD slot is handy and waterproofness is nice to have. However I have found the camera to be very disappointing and slow to use and the results average. Also the smaller screen size can make operating Xperia keyboard and text input frustrating at times.. I dont htink the screen is as good as the one the Nexus but maybe thats just me. Excellent battery life. I have only tried Sony factory ROM and was not aware that others such as CM are available yet?
Highights of the Nexus 5x have been the crisp clean Marshmallow interface, good screen and excellent point and shoot camera. Screen is not as repsonsive as x5c when it needs to dim in a dark environment. It has a Terrific keyboard that is really accurate and easy to use. along with best fingerprint reader I have used. Downsides to it are its plasticy design with protruding lens which makes me reluctant to put it down on its back on a desk. even though I know the lens will not contact the desk. A Google Adopted TPU case fixed this though. But as soon as you encase it no-one will have any idea it is a google phone. Speaker is crappy and poor sound quality compered to z5c. USB C power cables are orphans and mean you cannot use existing A cables existing devices most people have. Couple this with a mediocre battery life can be problematic. Biggest downside for me though is its size. Too big too put into from jeans pocket and protrudes an inch or so out the top of shirt pocket.
So I ended up selling my 5x and keeping the z5c. My hope is that Sony will do something in the marshmallow update to improve the point and shoot usabilty of the camera. Hope this helps.
logger said:
I have just been evaluating the two side my side for the past fortnight trying to decide which to keep.
Hightlights of the z5c have been its size, speaker quality, and overall build quality. Micro SD slot is handy and waterproofness is nice to have. However I have found the camera to be very disappointing and slow to use and the results average. Also the smaller screen size can make operating Xperia keyboard and text input frustrating at times.. I dont htink the screen is as good as the one the Nexus but maybe thats just me. Excellent battery life. I have only tried Sony factory ROM and was not aware that others such as CM are available yet?
Highights of the Nexus 5x have been the crisp clean Marshmallow interface, good screen and excellent point and shoot camera. Screen is not as repsonsive as x5c when it needs to dim in a dark environment. It has a Terrific keyboard that is really accurate and easy to use. along with best fingerprint reader I have used. Downsides to it are its plasticy design with protruding lens which makes me reluctant to put it down on its back on a desk. even though I know the lens will not contact the desk. A Google Adopted TPU case fixed this though. But as soon as you encase it no-one will have any idea it is a google phone. Speaker is crappy and poor sound quality compered to z5c. USB C power cables are orphans and mean you cannot use existing A cables existing devices most people have. Couple this with a mediocre battery life can be problematic. Biggest downside for me though is its size. Too big too put into from jeans pocket and protrudes an inch or so out the top of shirt pocket.
So I ended up selling my 5x and keeping the z5c. My hope is that Sony will do something in the marshmallow update to improve the point and shoot usabilty of the camera. Hope this helps.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
thanks a lot , very helpful ,
and yes there is an AOSP 5.1.1 rom available for the z5c , no CM yet ( can't imagine it will be long before a release , given sony has released the binaries ) ,
here you go :
http://fxpblog.co/aosp/aosp-5-1/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z5-compact/orig-development/aosp-builds-z5c-t3226266
I haven't tested the 5x yet, but have the z5c for about two weeks now and in my opinion there are two main issues with the z5c:
First the display colors really seem to be washed out, the black is more a really dark grey than a black (I don't know if this is due to a defect screen or if this is the case for all z5c's), also the display resolution of 720p isn't really enough for me as I clearly can see the edges of round app icons for example even when I'm farther away from the screen.
Also the increase of the phone temperature during prolonged use really bothers me, but that's a known issue of the Snapdragon 810. The camera is just okay, I honestly expected more, especially in low light conditions. But as far as is understand this is rather a post-processing issue than an hardware issue, I hope this improves with Marshmallow.
Two plus points are good battery live (maybe also due to the relatively low res screen) and the overall speed of the phone, which really has improved since the last firmware update.
I had both phones at the same time. Here are my thoughts:
Z5 Compact
+ I prefer the phone size much better
+ I play ingress, so prefer the better battery life and single handed use
+ I have a couple of external battery packs, which quick charge the Z5C
+ Waterproof
+ Really like that Sony went with regular micro-USB connector unlike the Z3C
+ Expandable memory. This can become expanded internal memory in Marshmallow
+ I love Tap to Wake
+ It is a sexy looking device
- Thicker than the N5X
- Not thrilled that the volume rocker is below the power button
- Surely majority of folks don't use the wrist strap feature?! It's a dust collector for me.
- Typing an issue on a smaller keyboard
- Voice recognition is iffy
- I hate that I don't have the option to turn off the notification light at when charging at night (always have to remember to place the phone facedown)
- Run hot under heavy use, but I use a case to avoid the slipper glass on the back anyway
Nexus 5X
+ Clean UI
+ Fast updates
+ Better fingerprint sensor
+ Thin and light
+ Better typing experience
+ Ambient display
- Too large for single-handed use
- Camera pops out like a nipple - could be seen as a positive
- USB-C means new expense on cables and charger (consider the added expenses here)
- My external chargers will work with N5X, but will not charge as quick as a licensed Qualcomm Quickcharge phone
- The vibration motor is a lot harsher than the Z5C. Not a fan.
- The mono speaker seems to be facing the back, but there is no opening on the back, so sound is kinda muffled.
- What's the deal with the giant bezel?!
- No expanded memory support
- The internal specs are lower (808 vs 810 in Z5C, and Adreno 418 vs 430 in Z5C). The Z5C guts are actually in the Nexus 6P, but with 3GB RAM.
I ended up returning the Nexus 5X primarily because of the size and having to make sure I have a USB-C cable handy in case I run through the battery. Even when I had the phone charging while I was playing ingress, the phone battery was discharging faster than recharging.
The Z5C is very comfortable to use. I do have an itch for a completely bloat free UI, with Marshmallow. Once unlock and root processes eventually get released/cleaned-up, the Z5C will be take a bigger bite into the Nexus 5X's main selling point.
N5X advantages:
- Camera (for photos) is in another league, look at the camera samples, the photos are very sharp compared to all Sony Z cameras.
- Fast updates.
- Stock clean Android (only Google apps that can be disabled) / Camera2 API / probably…not sure: Google Now Always ON / etc
Z5C adv:
- Battery life (If N5X battery life is less than 50% better than N5 battery, then it still really sux).
- Size (subjective)
- SoC 810 is much better.
- Long battery life when gaming.
- Some General hardware~ (mic quality / screen quality / etc).
Sent from my E5823
Finally i bought the 5x due to no AOSP roms available yet on z5c ,
thanks everyone .
So, I had nexus 5x for 1.5 month, got 5x after beloved Sony z5c international with fingerprint reader and wrist strap due to switching to verizon from ATT and it was cheapest of the semi-decent phones. I regret both.
1. While its compatible, and verizon sim works, i barely get signal 3G LTE to none while my other friends right next to me with iphones and samsung phones get high speed full bars 4g lte, so must be poor antenna or not fully compatible with verizon as claimed. And mind you its after hours on the phone with verizon i got it to even work. When i try send emails most times it flashes message every 1-2 seconds "no connection" "retry" then "connected", that creates multiple drafts when im trying to send email, nuisance to say the least. Or messages I thought were sent stuck in limbo, shown sent on device, but when login to email account from pc it isnt sent or even in drafts, so its on a device stuck, not sent even when connected while shown as sent on device.
2. giant phone not one handed. And no wrist strap hook!
3. Poor photo quality, no depth, poor resolution, only way to focus camera is to take 1 shot only then it tries to focus, any other way it would normally work on z5c with green to red focus window is not available. I tweaked it a bit using camera MX but even so, mediocre original software & hardware.
3. Pricy and no expansion memory, i got 32gb, and OS + apps already took over 20gb, and mind you i only have very few brain games and productivity apps like docsToGo that do not take much space, rest is android os itself upfront.
4. Not waterproof or resistant. Even when water droplet hits center of screen it acts out thinking its my finger, z5c did not react same way to water at all, it ignored it mostly, only responding to finger.
5. google keyboard is horrible, not even arrows to move coursor right or left within text, and gokeyboard became commercialized with adds so.. i didnt find better alternative, and you have to be precise getting it into right spot to insert extra words in between especially at the beginning of paragraph.
6. New Android version lost too many good features gaining none. Like little menu on the bottom right to close all open apps at once, gone! Now you have to manually close each app. specific to z5c mini apps like calculator, browser that can be used simultaneously with other apps window in window, shown both at once of course not included, and nothing similar available.
7. Battery life poor. I had about 5hours browsing no video out of it before it hits 20% mark from 100%, with video even faster. While usb c helps charge faster, true, but it doesnt help battery life , and no wireless charging, adapters just came to market, i do not think ill keep phone long enough to try if it works.
8. Back to memory expansion, so forget microsd, but even usb wont work. I have samsung duo usb3 to micro usb, so attempt 1 was to use anker adapter with my samsung usbduo drive and it didnt even register the drive. So i went ahead and bought an app to register usb c drive, didnt work. attempt 2 after shelling out for the nexus 5x compatible app, bought usb c flash drive guess what, only registers with that app, and even then cant just browse folders and files, open, work with file, save, ..no. you would have to copy to phone then work with file, save to phone only, and only then copy or move back to usb c drive. Really! So i scrapped that plan, went cloud, and got rid of usb c drive.
9. When plug in to pc have to manually each time select transfer files or it will only charge by default, havent found way to change that either.
10. Camera and fingerprint reader so close, guess where your fingerprint lands most times? Yup, keep wiping the camera lense.
11. Cherry on top, doesnt come with usb c to usb 2.0 or usb 3.0 cable, google store omitted that just saying charger and usb c cable, so as you discover that fact and jumping to look for a cable thats never seems available in google store site, your return time slot is closing down on you ..14 days..and you cant even test it with pc plugged in..
So, good stuff..fingerprint scanner works, usb c charge faster by 2x time.. that is about it.
Contacted google store and since its over 14 days = nonrefundable.
Conclusion, I am going back to AT&T and my beloved z5c! Yes, it doesnt have usb c and older (better version of android).. but guess what small, waterproof, has wriststrap to phone not just case, faster, better camera, better photos album layout, keyboard, LTE 4G without hangs and drops, same fingerprint scanner, and if i left out anything else, its there, on that sweet small device.
Perhaps someone else might find 5x mediocre good enough and cheap enough but for me I am ok going back to proven to be better for same price!
Edit: I didn't read the dates or the whole tread. I need sleep.
Hello,
I'm facing the same thing for a few days now; I'm hesitating between picking up a Nexus 5X or a Z5C, the first one has the advantage of frequent updates and clean Android experience but a relatively big screen while the second one has an ideal screen but I've heard about lots of overheating problems related to it.
So since it's 2016 and both phones are running Marshmallow, can you guys give me a quick update on your experiences now ? Thanks
Mephistorium said:
Hello,
I'm facing the same thing for a few days now; I'm hesitating between picking up a Nexus 5X or a Z5C, the first one has the advantage of frequent updates and clean Android experience but a relatively big screen while the second one has an ideal screen but I've heard about lots of overheating problems related to it.
So since it's 2016 and both phones are running Marshmallow, can you guys give me a quick update on your experiences now ? Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The Sony ui is still full of bugs but marshmallow performs at a decent level. Still nothing to compete with it in its size class.
Mephistorium said:
Hello,
I'm facing the same thing for a few days now; I'm hesitating between picking up a Nexus 5X or a Z5C, the first one has the advantage of frequent updates and clean Android experience but a relatively big screen while the second one has an ideal screen but I've heard about lots of overheating problems related to it.
So since it's 2016 and both phones are running Marshmallow, can you guys give me a quick update on your experiences now ? Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The z5c is a great phone, its just the battery life isn't the best in my opinion......you ever consider thinking of the Z3C? Im sure its a no since its been 2 years passed.
Thanks a lot for your feedback, As you said: the thing is that the Z5C has nothing to compete against in the small flagship category, if the battery lasts for a day on average use then I'm fine also the phone doesn't overheat from normal use as I've been reading all over the internet.
Regarding the Z3C, I think I can consider it if it's not too far from the Z5C performance, any feedback on that could be helpful!
Mephistorium said:
Thanks a lot for your feedback, As you said: the thing is that the Z5C has nothing to compete against in the small flagship category, if the battery lasts for a day on average use then I'm fine also the phone doesn't overheat from normal use as I've been reading all over the internet.
Regarding the Z3C, I think I can consider it if it's not too far from the Z5C performance, any feedback on that could be helpful!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Z3c edges out slightly better in performance and dev support. BUT it has side charging port and flaps, not the most practical. It's all about your price range really.
Thanks a lot! Actually I have a bit of money on the side so I can get the Z5C, and in Europe the difference between the Z5C and the Z3C is like 60 dollars, the nexus 5x is the cheapest of all three phones
Mephistorium said:
Thanks a lot! Actually I have a bit of money on the side so I can get the Z5C, and in Europe the difference between the Z5C and the Z3C is like 60 dollars, the nexus 5x is the cheapest of all three phones
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just like guy from above said, its all about your price/how much you can afford, ppl mainly go for nexus 5x for fast updates (pretty much it). If you not picky on the year, Z3C is your best bet if you want performance and best battery life and plus theres a unique developer at the Z3C forum that has been making the Z3C a perfect phone for anyone. The reason I got the Z5C is because I had screen issues on the Z3C and plus i was still in love of the compact series of the xperia. Z5C is doing fine for me
uchechris said:
Just like guy from above said, its all about your price/how much you can afford, ppl mainly go for nexus 5x for fast updates (pretty much it). If you not picky on the year, Z3C is your best bet if you want performance and best battery life and plus theres a unique developer at the Z3C forum that has been making the Z3C a perfect phone for anyone. The reason I got the Z5C is because I had screen issues on the Z3C and plus i was still in love of the compact series of the xperia. Z5C is doing fine for me
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well thanks a lot, I do trust your ways around phones, so I've ordered a Z3C with a magnetic charger ( to avoid trouble with slot flaps ) think it's my best bet as you said.
Thanks again
Mephistorium said:
Well thanks a lot, I do trust your ways around phones, so I've ordered a Z3C with a magnetic charger ( to avoid trouble with slot flaps ) think it's my best bet as you said.
Thanks again
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Your welcome, be sure to go to the Z3C forum if you have additional questions, its really a good phone. I recommend flashing this rom to make your phone very unique but before doing that, you need root and recovery, thank God its easier to do it without unlocking the boot loader, just zoom in that forum for all of your questions, I wish you the best of luck!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/development/rom-slimm-t3359831
Mephistorium said:
Well thanks a lot, I do trust your ways around phones, so I've ordered a Z3C with a magnetic charger ( to avoid trouble with slot flaps ) think it's my best bet as you said.
Thanks again
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I suggest you cancel the z3c order. The Z3/Z3c is easy to has touch issue after 12~16 months, the touch panel life cycle is short, my friend Z3 got screen problem right after his warranty expired a few days(exactly 12 months passed) and he fuxked up and switched to Iphone, he was a Sony fans with only SE/Sony phones used in his life.
I admit Z3c got better software development, battery and thermal control. However, the camera on Z3c is worse than Z1c/Z5c. But if you only want a cheap compact and don't care buy another one after 1~2 years then Z3c is still a good choice.
TheEndHK said:
I suggest you cancel the z3c order. The Z3/Z3c is easy to has touch issue after 12~16 months, the touch panel life cycle is short, my friend Z3 got screen problem right after his warranty expired a few days(exactly 12 months passed) and he fuxked up and switched to Iphone, he was a Sony fans with only SE/Sony phones used in his life.
I admit Z3c got better software development, battery and thermal control. However, the camera on Z3c is worse than Z1c/Z5c. But if you only want a cheap compact and don't care buy another one after 1~2 years then Z3c is still a good choice.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hello and sorry I was on vacation )
Thank you very much though as (un)lucky as I am, I've returned the z3c via amazon but then I'm back looking, maybe I only have the z5c or something like htc m8 to go after.
Hey guys, I was planning on switching from a Zenfone 2 4/64gb to a Z5 or even Z3 compact, mainly due to the size. I love my Zenfone, but I loathe it's hugeness, and I'm a "Compact" lover. Now, with the improvements made over the Z3 compact, I'm leaning towards the Z5C. But since the device is relatively new, I'm having troubles finding any defects or stuff that I should know/expect about (like z3's self-cracking screen). What other issues should I expect or be aware?
Here's what I expect:
1) Probable overheating due to SD810 -- 50/50 though since I think they put in the newer SD810, v2.1 I think?
2) Possible faulty flap(s) that compromises water/dust proof
3) Usual button wear and tear, or button defect -- how long before a button wears out?
4) A couple of software issues
What I'm thinking about:
1) Does this device have the self-cracking screen/glass like Z3C?
2) Does this device have a faulty headphone port like Z3C?
3) How large of a gap is there between Z5C and Z3C with regards to specs and features?
4) With respect to #3, is Z5C worth it over the Z3C in the performance and camera aspects?
5) Coming from a Zenfone 2 4/64gb, would it be a downgrade or an upgrade?
Thanks a lot for those who answer!
miki117 said:
Hey guys, I was planning on switching from a Zenfone 2 4/64gb to a Z5 or even Z3 compact, mainly due to the size. I love my Zenfone, but I loathe it's hugeness, and I'm a "Compact" lover. Now, with the improvements made over the Z3 compact, I'm leaning towards the Z5C. But since the device is relatively new, I'm having troubles finding any defects or stuff that I should know/expect about (like z3's self-cracking screen). What other issues should I expect or be aware?
Here's what I expect:
1) Probable overheating due to SD810 -- 50/50 though since I think they put in the newer SD810, v2.1 I think?
2) Possible faulty flap(s) that compromises water/dust proof
3) Usual button wear and tear, or button defect -- how long before a button wears out?
4) A couple of software issues
What I'm thinking about:
1) Does this device have the self-cracking screen/glass like Z3C?
2) Does this device have a faulty headphone port like Z3C?
3) How large of a gap is there between Z5C and Z3C with regards to specs and features?
4) With respect to #3, is Z5C worth it over the Z3C in the performance and camera aspects?
5) Coming from a Zenfone 2 4/64gb, would it be a downgrade or an upgrade?
Thanks a lot for those who answer!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
1)heat is most definitely an issue, mine gets so hot I have to stop using it..
2) only one flap and it seems pretty sturdy. This is my first phone witg a flap since old flip phones though.
3) I use double tap to wake, but I have on my eBay watch list new button ribbons and they're surprisingly cheap for a fingerprint scanner!
4) my phone is only days old so I haven't gotten much use on it yet. I need to root and whatnot to get the functionality I want. It's no cm12 but it's not anywhere near as bad as touch wiz.
1) yes, white phones are more prone to it I believe. I found a few threads while looking up what type of screen these have.
2) I came from Samsung s4 mini so I couldn't answer that.
3) the z3 compacts flaps and USB location was enough for me to settle with the s4 mini, i really hate side charging. Z5 fingerprint scanner was the selling point for me on the upgrade!
4) the Z3C is rated for better battery, but the Z5C has a better front camera. Other than that it comes down to ergonomics and processors, which Z5C wins hands down.
5) http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Asus-ZenFone-2,Sony-Xperia-Z5-Compact/phones/9050,9611 I'd say a downgrade in specs, but upgrade in ergonomics just witg size and screen.
civicsr2cool said:
1)heat is most definitely an issue, mine gets so hot I have to stop using it..
2) only one flap and it seems pretty sturdy. This is my first phone witg a flap since old flip phones though.
3) I use double tap to wake, but I have on my eBay watch list new button ribbons and they're surprisingly cheap for a fingerprint scanner!
4) my phone is only days old so I haven't gotten much use on it yet. I need to root and whatnot to get the functionality I want. It's no cm12 but it's not anywhere near as bad as touch wiz.
1) yes, white phones are more prone to it I believe. I found a few threads while looking up what type of screen these have.
2) I came from Samsung s4 mini so I couldn't answer that.
3) the z3 compacts flaps and USB location was enough for me to settle with the s4 mini, i really hate side charging. Z5 fingerprint scanner was the selling point for me on the upgrade!
4) the Z3C is rated for better battery, but the Z5C has a better front camera. Other than that it comes down to ergonomics and processors, which Z5C wins hands down.
5) http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Asus-ZenFone-2,Sony-Xperia-Z5-Compact/phones/9050,9611 I'd say a downgrade in specs, but upgrade in ergonomics just witg size and screen.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks a lot for the answers! Oh, so the dreaded self-cracking screen is also seen in the z5c. Anyway, as much as I want to get one, it looks like it's too expensive here, so I may have to think about it again. Thanks again! I'll close this thread down.
Hey guys,
I'm thinking of buying this beast because of the camera capabilities (i want to hold off buying a DSLR a little longer), but also because of the spec to price ratio. As i've began researching, i found that it has numerous problems: bad GPS signal, burn in, LCD bleed . These things are scaring me, also i've noticed that a lot of US owners have all these problems, but only some EU owners have it.
My questions are :
1. Do EU owners have these problems too, and how many of you have it?
2. Is it still worth it? I've been searching a package deal with B&O "friend" but didn't find any. Only the LG G5 at around 460EUR. Did you receive headphones in your packaging?
3. Is the brick charger (wall charger) truly QC 3.0 compatible? As i saw its only 9V at 1.8Amps.
4. Are you happy with it? What don't you like about it?
Thanks in advanced.
Best regards,
Cristian
charris said:
Hey guys,
I'm thinking of buying this beast because of the camera capabilities (i want to hold off buying a DSLR a little longer), but also because of the spec to price ratio. As i've began researching, i found that it has numerous problems: bad GPS signal, burn in, LCD bleed . These things are scaring me, also i've noticed that a lot of US owners have all these problems, but only some EU owners have it.
My questions are :
1. Do EU owners have these problems too, and how many of you have it?
2. Is it still worth it? I've been searching a package deal with B&O "friend" but didn't find any. Only the LG G5 at around 460EUR. Did you receive headphones in your packaging?
3. Is the brick charger (wall charger) truly QC 3.0 compatible? As i saw its only 9V at 1.8Amps.
4. Are you happy with it? What don't you like about it?
Thanks in advanced.
Best regards,
Cristian
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
1) T-Mobile was the first to sell the G5 so that's probably why there are more cases in us then in Europe. The only problem i Have is a bit of light bleeding. Also do not confuse burn-in (which is an oled display thing) with the image retention, they can seem similar but are differents.
2) Yep, here in italy on a famous site it costs around 400 euros, afaik there are no bundle with that module. I bought it in a shop and there were headphones.
3) Nope is QC 2.0
4) Yes, i'm happy with it, the only problem is the battery life, but the possibility to swap the battery is a great plus.
Killua96 said:
1) T-Mobile was the first to sell the G5 so that's probably why there are more cases in us then in Europe. The only problem i Have is a bit of light bleeding. Also do not confuse burn-in (which is an oled display thing) with the image retention, they can seem similar but are differents.
2) Yep, here in italy on a famous site it costs around 400 euros, afaik there are no bundle with that module. I bought it in a shop and there were headphones.
3) Nope is QC 2.0
4) Yes, i'm happy with it, the only problem is the battery life, but the possibility to swap the battery is a great plus.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the reply. How old is your G5? Did u try to loosen the screw from where u have the light bleed? Did you buy a QC 3.0 brick?
charris said:
Thanks for the reply. How old is your G5? Did u try to loosen the screw from where u have the light bleed? Did you buy a QC 3.0 brick?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I bought it the 3rd of june, according to the serial it is from april.
Nope i haven't tried to loose that screw.
Nope, i don't need QC when i Have 2 more batterys
Its a good phone but......
i got it almost a week now and i just love it...no problems so far and the battery life is almost the same as my oneplus x was...so yeah i think it was a good buy especially for the camera
I have G5 for 2-3 months or so, I switched from Nexus 5 (regular, not 5X). What I love:
- camera - is great, I don't have many chances to test it though, but in that I take was great. N5 don't stand a chance
- speed - it's crazy fast
- battery - a lot of ppl complain about it, but for me is great. I can easly go through day and have 50% at the evening. I think it is because of great sleep mode, N5 was terrible, I always must charge it at the evening. Also battery life on 3G is great
- fast charge
What I don't like:
- lack of suport - don't get me wrong, you can root it and instal xposed, but AOSP would be nice. But to be true, only thing I'm missing is working "always on" display on custom dpi.
Build quality is ok to me, but I don't like it feel of it. It's not cheap materials, but it feels little bit fragile and I was affraid of camera lenses. Spigen Slim Armor is perfect to me.
My other choice was S7, and if I would be buying phone again, it also would be G5. I don't regret this choice.
I have for 5 months the EU model, no problem at all so far, no bleeding, no quality problems beside a small alignment problem with the battery cover when I swipe my finger I can feel it is not 100:% smooth with the rest of the body.
Other than that no problems at all and I sold my s7 after keeping both for 2 weeks testing which one to keep.
If the reason you want the G5 is to postpone your DSLR , then you have two options: V20 or G5. Assuming the V20 will not be release anytime soon in EU then G5 is your best choice.
I upgraded my G2 mainly for the camera. I was reading and watching videos like crazy trying to choose between the S7 Edge and the G5.
Eventually I chose the G5, bought it in Austria (H850) for ~650Euros 5 months ago.
It's not a perfect phone, far from it, but it also doesn't have any big issues.. it's the little things. Camera wise, it is awesome!
Why I chose the G5:
ISO: S7 max - 800, G5 max - 3200.
Exposure: S7 max - 10 seconds, G5 max - 30 seconds.
Wide angle: S7 doesn't have one, G5 is rocking one.
Sensor ratio: S7 uses a cr*ppy 4:3 , G5 is 16:9. Which just makes more sense to me as every screen I own is 16:9 (TVs, phones, monitors).
Resolution: S7 merely scratches 9MP when using 16:9, G5 almost doubles it with 16MP.
IR Blaster: S7 doesn't have one, G5 has it.
Removable battery is plus and minus.. It's smaller, but removable. I bought the battery+external charger kit from Amazon for 30$ and it's great to have, a must buy if you like going on trips.
Don't get it for the "friends" it was bound to fail, get it for the phone.
What I don't like:
Screen could be brighter, I hate the curved screen (all of them) as it prevents me from applying a good tempered glass screen protector.
Even when using a rectangle glass protector..something is off in the bottom right corner and it always opens a bit there.
Other than that, the phone is fast, reliable, battery is not bad nor stunning (I get around 3.5-4 hours SOT with about 30 hours of battery time).
And yes, supplied charger is 2.0 (which is also very fast), I don't think there were earphones in the box..
Hi, I have a Z3C and the problem is that my touchscreen now is busted, though I can still use it by rotating the screen.
It started on the upper extremities of the LCD, I became annoyed and tried the "lighter fix" for LG G2, which didn't work great for me. Touchscreen got way worse, wtf am i expecting applying 3k volts of static electricity.
I'm torn between replacing the screen or getting a z5c instead. Though my z3c somewhat slows down now, it is still usable and OK for me.
I know that if i replace my LCD, it will not be as good as before, so I'm thinking about that.
And if I get a z5c, i don't know the little issues, or if they were resolved with .11 update. Even small physical build issues concern me and I can't find a comprehensive list of issues. Also, screen replacement will cost me just around 20% of a new z5c unit, or maybe i could get a 2nd hand one.
Please share your thoughts, should I go for z5c? Or other brands (around 4.7 inches also)? Or screen replacement?
Thanks!
wakoko79 said:
Hi, I have a Z3C and the problem is that my touchscreen now is busted, though I can still use it by rotating the screen.
It started on the upper extremities of the LCD, I became annoyed and tried the "lighter fix" for LG G2, which didn't work great for me. Touchscreen got way worse, wtf am i expecting applying 3k volts of static electricity.
I'm torn between replacing the screen or getting a z5c instead. Though my z3c somewhat slows down now, it is still usable and OK for me.
I know that if i replace my LCD, it will not be as good as before, so I'm thinking about that.
And if I get a z5c, i don't know the little issues, or if they were resolved with .11 update. Even small physical build issues concern me and I can't find a comprehensive list of issues. Also, screen replacement will cost me just around 20% of a new z5c unit, or maybe i could get a 2nd hand one.
Please share your thoughts, should I go for z5c? Or other brands (around 4.7 inches also)? Or screen replacement?
Thanks!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I dont really know how did you get to a conclution on little bugs of z5c? has no bugs whatso ever , in fact go watch youtube videos about it , most of the known youtubers like linus concider the Z5C the best compact phone out there ...
also replacing a screen in its own manufacture is not wrong or bad and they wouldnt put a bad screen or "not as good" I could be wrong , but I already replaced my older phone Z2 screen twice and I didnt see any difference...
madshark2009 said:
I dont really know how did you get to a conclution on little bugs of z5c? has no bugs whatso ever , in fact go watch youtube videos about it , most of the known youtubers like linus concider the Z5C the best compact phone out there ...
also replacing a screen in its own manufacture is not wrong or bad and they wouldnt put a bad screen or "not as good" I could be wrong , but I already replaced my older phone Z2 screen twice and I didnt see any difference...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well every phone out there has issues, some of them can be found only with everyday use. I've heard overheating, screen self crack and bad battery performance for z5c. But overheating and bad battery performance can be fixed with software, but not the screen cracking.. I think you get the point. Those little quirks.
About the LCD replacement, most of those comes from china. And I've seen so many issues with friends with replacement screens (non-OEM). This ranges from low brightness, touch responsiveness, bad color reproduction to flat-out touch failure in 3 weeks after installment. Yeah, so I'm quite worried about that since technicians will have different prices for "replacement", "class A" and "original" (original but not OEM, wtf).
wakoko79 said:
Well every phone out there has issues, some of them can be found only with everyday use. I've hear overheating, screen self crack.
About the LCD replacement, most of those comes from china. And I've seen so many issues with friends with replacement screens (non-OEM). This ranges from low brightness, touch responsiveness, bad color reproduction to flat-out touch failure in 3 weeks after installment. Yeah, so I'm quite worried about that since technicians will have different prices for "replacement", "class A" and "original" (original but not OEM, wtf).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I dont know how it works in your country ( I dont know where youre from either lol) if you send your phone to its original manufacture in your own country and pay them lots of money to fix it they should install original and if its not like that then buy the z5c if you want , seriously check youtube videos about it from well known youtubers its the best besides some times over heating in high level of usage (like gaming etc...)
I believe there to be a serious component issue with the touchscreen panel of the Z3C, "gate" level serious. There's way too high a percentage of people reporting touchscreens that die right after the 1 year mark, just out of warranty. Getting a replacement just means that it will most likely die again after a year or so, because it's the same faulty component, and (at least here in my country) they don't guarantee waterproofing after repairs which is really unacceptable after asking for around $130 in repair fees. Not to mention that it's obviously a flaw with Sony hardware, but they deny it and refuses to take responsibility, so the cost of repair is passed on to the victims, us.
Coming from Z3C, you will find the battery life of the Z5C disappointing, even with moderate to light use. Then there's the problem of the POS S810, so the phone is constantly throttling and overheating. It's really a shame, because I otherwise think the gorgeous design of the Z5C is the pinnacle of the Omnibalance language. There are real noticeable improvements to many of the small quirks I had with my Z3C, like the overly rounded edges that eats into my fingers with prolonged handling, non-exposed USB port, dual speaker cutouts that are really dust holders (Z5C elegantly placed them at the edges)... etc. Whether the trade-offs are worth it are based on your personal usage habits and wish list.
mhaha said:
I believe there to be a serious component issue with the touchscreen panel of the Z3C, "gate" level serious. There's way too high a percentage of people reporting touchscreens that die right after the 1 year mark, just out of warranty. Getting a replacement just means that it will most likely die again after a year or so, because it's the same faulty component, and (at least here in my country) they don't guarantee waterproofing after repairs which is really unacceptable after asking for around $130 in repair fees. Not to mention that it's obviously a flaw with Sony hardware, but they deny it and refuses to take responsibility, so the cost of repair is passed on to the victims, us.
Coming from Z3C, you will find the battery life of the Z5C disappointing, even with moderate to light use. Then there's the problem of the POS S810, so the phone is constantly throttling and overheating. It's really a shame, because I otherwise think the gorgeous design of the Z5C is the pinnacle of the Omnibalance language. There are real noticeable improvements to many of the small quirks I had with my Z3C, like the overly rounded edges that eats into my fingers with prolonged handling, non-exposed USB port, dual speaker cutouts that are really 2 dust holders (Z5C elegantly placed them at the edges)... etc. Whether the trade-offs are worth it are based on your personal usage habits and wish list.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Though i'm turned off by the larger besel of z5c
Also, there is no magnetic charging which should be a main selling point IMHO.
But is the throttling and overheating solved by the update or custom rom? Pls link me to the POS S810 issue, i dont know what that is.
wakoko79 said:
Though i'm turned off by the larger besel of z5c
Also, there is no magnetic charging which should be a main selling point IMHO.
But is the throttling and overheating solved by the update or custom rom? Pls link me to the POS S810 issue, i dont know what that is.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Larger bezel? Do you mean the slightly more disproportionate top and bottom bezels due to the lower screen placement compared to the Z3C? Because both are literally the same in screen size with nearly identical length and width dimensions.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Sony-Xperia-Z3-Compact,Sony-Xperia-Z5-Compact/phones/8744,9611
I've been using the Z5C for 8 months, and I've never been bothered by or noticed the display being lower. And that's coming from more than a year of use of Z3C, and the Z1C before that, which were both more symmetrical.
Initially I was also disappointed with the exclusion of the magnetic port, but only a few weeks in and I haven't missed it since. Having the exposed USB port at the center bottom really helps, and I favor having a seamless edge that again doesn't eat into my skin over the convenience of a charging port that only sees use when I'm not using the phone, which as I mentioned is rendered moot by the ease of access of the USB port. I bought a DK-52 dock for charging and never had problems docking it with ease, although I had imagined it would be problematic.
As for "POS S810", I mean "piece of **** Snapdragon 810" SoC. See here: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/04/in-depth-with-the-snapdragon-810s-heat-problems/
Or you can Google around "snapdragon 810 overheat", in short this silicon is ****. Sony's done their best (arguably the best out of all manufacturers) to mitigate the impact, but in the end there's only so much you can do to workaround an inherently poor hardware design.
*EDIT BELOW*
As for the question of throttling and overheating solved by updates, there doesn't seem to be a decisive or conclusive evidence of that. With each new update, it seems there's always people reporting better battery/improved thermal alongside people saying it's worse or no change. Yes, there are mods/ROMs claiming to fix the battery and heat issues, whether or not they actually make a difference is more of a personal usage thing, you have to try them out for yourself and see if they work for you.
It may sound like I'm hating on the Z5C, but on the contrary I actually love my Z5C. It's just that after using the Z3C, high expectations have been set but the Z5C failed to deliver on some accounts, mainly the battery and thermal issues. Otherwise, I genuinely felt it was a worthy upgrade over the Z3C. I've come to accept that I won't be getting the same outstanding battery performance of the Z3C, but that's not to say that it isn't great on its own merits. Also consider that the Z3 series are pretty much dead since they're not getting official Android 7.0 support, while the Z5 series are still on the upgrade list, albeit now at the lowest priority compared to the more recent models.
So to sum it up, I don't think it's worth investing in a screen replacement that may still break after a year, not to mention potentially losing the waterproofing. The Z5C may be the next logical step after the Z3C, but has problems of its own. You need to decide if the drawbacks are worth it. At least it's been a little over a year since the phone's release, and there seems to be no (mass) reports of dying touchscreens. Yet. So it's got that going for it, which is something I suppose.
This phone is still very good despite its few hiccups. It over heats when shooting long videos or playing graphic-heavy games (many phones will over heat too), i dont know z3c battery life but with my z5 i get minimum 5rs sot wen browsing the web, minimum 4hrs when playing plants vs zombies heroes, minimum 4hrs streaming videos, on light useage i get minimum 2days... Remember i say minimum.
The camera is not great on low light conditions but it is superb in daylight. Its performance is snappy, water resistance is not a gimmick, speaker volume is loud enough although i was not impressed with headphone volume n sound until i installed another app.
The phone is worth it, not perfect though.
mhaha said:
Larger bezel? Do you mean the slightly more disproportionate top and bottom bezels due to the lower screen placement compared to the Z3C? Because both are literally the same in screen size with nearly identical length and width dimensions.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size/Sony-Xperia-Z3-Compact,Sony-Xperia-Z5-Compact/phones/8744,9611
I've been using the Z5C for 8 months, and I've never been bothered by or noticed the display being lower. And that's coming from more than a year of use of Z3C, and the Z1C before that, which were both more symmetrical.
Initially I was also disappointed with the exclusion of the magnetic port, but only a few weeks in and I haven't missed it since. Having the exposed USB port at the center bottom really helps, and I favor having a seamless edge that again doesn't eat into my skin over the convenience of a charging port that only sees use when I'm not using the phone, which as I mentioned is rendered moot by the ease of access of the USB port. I bought a DK-52 dock for charging and never had problems docking it with ease, although I had imagined it would be problematic.
As for "POS S810", I mean "piece of **** Snapdragon 810" SoC. See here: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/04/in-depth-with-the-snapdragon-810s-heat-problems/
Or you can Google around "snapdragon 810 overheat", in short this silicon is ****. Sony's done their best (arguably the best out of all manufacturers) to mitigate the impact, but in the end there's only so much you can do to workaround an inherently poor hardware design.
*EDIT BELOW*
As for the question of throttling and overheating solved by updates, there doesn't seem to be a decisive or conclusive evidence of that. With each new update, it seems there's always people reporting better battery/improved thermal alongside people saying it's worse or no change. Yes, there are mods/ROMs claiming to fix the battery and heat issues, whether or not they actually make a difference is more of a personal usage thing, you have to try them out for yourself and see if they work for you.
It may sound like I'm hating on the Z5C, but on the contrary I actually love my Z5C. It's just that after using the Z3C, high expectations have been set but the Z5C failed to deliver on some accounts, mainly the battery and thermal issues. Otherwise, I genuinely felt it was a worthy upgrade over the Z3C. I've come to accept that I won't be getting the same outstanding battery performance of the Z3C, but that's not to say that it isn't great on its own merits. Also consider that the Z3 series are pretty much dead since they're not getting official Android 7.0 support, while the Z5 series are still on the upgrade list, albeit now at the lowest priority compared to the more recent models.
So to sum it up, I don't think it's worth investing in a screen replacement that may still break after a year, not to mention potentially losing the waterproofing. The Z5C may be the next logical step after the Z3C, but has problems of its own. You need to decide if the drawbacks are worth it. At least it's been a little over a year since the phone's release, and there seems to be no (mass) reports of dying touchscreens. Yet. So it's got that going for it, which is something I suppose.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
OK, I'm getting a Z5C tomorrow LOL. What I'm saying about the bezels is that the large bezel at the top is turning me off somewhat (I think z3c has the perfect size), but that is just me nit-picking on stuff, it doesn't really matter on daily use.
About the USB port, I'm just scared of it physically breaking, or just being lose or having bad metal contact. I had this problem before so I'm kinda always worried about ports which are like usb. On the other hand, the magnetic charging just holds the cable and the phone with a magnet, so I don't need to worry that I may damage it when someone accidentally applies force the wrong way to the cable/phone. BTW I did not use the dock on Z3C, just some cheap magnetic cable. Anyway that is fine I can live without it.
Another thing, I read in gsmarena that the usb port has a waterproof coating so that it can be submerged in water? Got any more info on that? Just curious here.
BTW my Z3C now is not water-proof anymore since I went full retard (I squeezed the phone while under water, destroyed the mic, so I got it fixed).
paq1170 said:
This phone is still very good despite its few hiccups. It over heats when shooting long videos or playing graphic-heavy games (many phones will over heat too), i dont know z3c battery life but with my z5 i get minimum 5rs sot wen browsing the web, minimum 4hrs when playing plants vs zombies heroes, minimum 4hrs streaming videos, on light useage i get minimum 2days... Remember i say minimum.
The camera is not great on low light conditions but it is superb in daylight. Its performance is snappy, water resistance is not a gimmick, speaker volume is loud enough although i was not impressed with headphone volume n sound until i installed another app.
The phone is worth it, not perfect though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think heating when using phone (games, browser, video) is normal. Is that is what supposed to be the overheating issue? My z3c heats up when using chrome too, and that is fine with me. What is not fine is like when I'm just reading an ebook or just calling then it heats like crazy. I just use my phone for texts, calls, ebook, RSS feeds, some browsing.
Camera is also fine with me, I'm not really a picture-everywhere guy, I rarely use it so its just a plus =).
The exposed USB port is waterproof, that's the great thing about it. Just don't use it while under water or after it's been submerged in water, you still need to let it dry out. So with the Z5C, unless you're frequently changing SIM or microSD cards, the only flap will stay closed for like 99% of its lifetime and the chance of it being water damaged due to the flap becoming worn and torn or improperly closed is minimal.
All phones get warm when you're executing high load tasks, but it can get borderline melting with S810 phones. Seriously, in certain situations it can get really uncomfortable to hold, no to mention there's the throttling to prevent it from self destructing, so you'd also be experiencing degraded performance while handling a hot brick. It won't happen with casual phone calls, browsing, texting, snapping a photo or two... but if you're doing intensive stuff like playing heavily encoded videos or resource hungry games, you'll feel the heat and see some stuttering thanks to the throttling. A personal experience, I once tried viewing an anime in 1080p that's probably encoded with advanced codecs on my Z5C, after a few minutes it starting burning my hands and became unwatchable, lagging like crazy. No doubt it's because the decoder and real time down-scaling of the resolution to 720p needed full processing power.
With your usage though, you will probably rarely experience it. Might get lucky if you loaded up a poorly optimized rich media website or something, but not likely.
A new z3c is.the best option. Z5c lags a lot because of 810.
I got my z5c.
Z3C looks a lot more better aesthetically. But, oh well, thanks for the replies!
wakoko79 said:
I got my z5c.
Z3C looks a lot more better aesthetically. But, oh well, thanks for the replies!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'll agree with that. The Z5C's slightly bigger top bezel does bug me, or at least did when I still had my Z3C and could see them side-by-side. It's also slightly more boring looking than the Z3C. Other than that, though, I think the Z5C is far more comfortable to hold than the Z3C, and I haven't noticed mine lagging any more than the Z3C did. After flashing the X Compact's camera APK, the camera is also far more responsive, which is great when you have two little kids around like I do.
Same thing happened to my z3 compact and I replaced the digitizer/lcd myself with a kit. No problems except that months later, the screen started peeling up because of the stickers not holding fast. Finally decided to order an X Compact and returned it immediately. Just didn't like the look/feel.
I didn't want to buy another z3c so I purchased a z5c off of swappa. So far, I'm very happy with it. Still waiting to see how it does on battery life but the phone is beautiful. IMO, the best reason to upgrade from the z3c is the fingerprint scanner.
Damn!!!! I have the same problem with the z3c screen, and the same concerns: should i fix it or should i upgrade (of course to z5c, the only one who seems comparable)?
I have not decided yet... I really love my z3c
@ wakoko79 : what are your impressions of your new device? Especially battery and heat/lag.
Thanks
XDAmagic said:
Damn!!!! I have the same problem with the z3c screen, and the same concerns: should i fix it or should i upgrade (of course to z5c, the only one who seems comparable)?
I have not decided yet... I really love my z3c
@ wakoko79 : what are your impressions of your new device? Especially battery and heat/lag.
Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lag lag lag and battery epic. As i said in the previous post, 810 epic fail.
smardu said:
Lag lag lag and battery epic. As i said in the previous post, 810 epic fail.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed. I previously owned a Z5C. I hated how much it heated doing simple tasks (browsing internet, updating apps, ...) they didn't need to be CPU intensive to get hot. I always felt a little uneasy that the heat would cause a battery failure if I let it get hot enough since the heat would run down the back side of the battery. It wouldn't be terribly hot but it was hotter than a phone should get. I then purchased an XC which has a "comparatively" powerful CPU and that thing barely ever gets warm and it has yet to get as hot as my Z5C did just updating 3 apps in a row.
I would have suggested an XC but the Z5C did well when using it. Congrats, I hope the Z5C roms can get that non-stock Camera figured out.
z3 was a great phone. i owned one but was broken so i upgraded. z5 c is similar but is a little faster to me. the camera options are improved and the z5c camera is better both front and back. Plus the z5c is 32g internal vs the z3c which is 16. z5c also has a finger print scanner that works great. z5c updates are going to be better than the z3c in my opinion. z5c gets warm but it's never really bothered me especially with a case.
z5c is hands down better.