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I have been having this idea from the day it was launched, i wanted to replace the camera in the MAX with the one from the Original HTC One.
Not that i find my photo's bad because of lack of OIS, it was just another crazy thought from day one of the phone being announced.
I have ordered the original camera module from etradesupply and have it with me now. i am thinking of doing it myself although i don't want to brick my phone lol.
As of now there is no guide for teardown of the MAX and that is kind of a show stopper for me. I have had experience of opening up a HTC One for a screen replacement for a friend of mine and have the required tools for it.
I would like to listen to thoughts from other users.
I use "camera awesome" from the play store it has optical image stabilization and a slew of other options
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Ummm... OIS is a hardware thing so no amount of software can provide it
well in the shooting modes there is image stabilization which will not allow the picture to be taken until stable and works flawlessly
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pradeepvizz said:
I have been having this idea from the day it was launched, i wanted to replace the camera in the MAX with the one from the Original HTC One.
Not that i find my photo's bad because of lack of OIS, it was just another crazy thought from day one of the phone being announced.
I have ordered the original camera module from etradesupply and have it with me now. i am thinking of doing it myself although i don't want to brick my phone lol.
As of now there is no guide for teardown of the MAX and that is kind of a show stopper for me. I have had experience of opening up a HTC One for a screen replacement for a friend of mine and have the required tools for it.
I would like to listen to thoughts from other users.
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Diminished return. If the camera drives you nuts right now the rest of the phone/display/etc will after you have torn it apart. Worse yet, your significant other may ban you to the sofa after things go awry.
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Jiggity Janx said:
Ummm... OIS is a hardware thing so no amount of software can provide it
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That what i thought...
mnsportsguy1978 said:
well in the shooting modes there is image stabilization which will not allow the picture to be taken until stable and works flawlessly
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i have use a HTC One and coming from it, i did not see much of difference on the photo's.. as i said, it was just another crazy idea.
however, if image stabilization is a software thingy then Samsung and all other OEM's would have jumped into that already without needing a hardware for it.
If you consider DSLR lenses, there are lens with VC / image stabilization while other don't, so i am guessing its a hardware thingy.
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Diminished return. If the camera drives you nuts right now the rest of the phone/display/etc will after you have torn it apart. Worse yet, your significant other may ban you to the sofa after things go awry.
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yeah, i know and that is exactly why i am being patient on doing it. i have had the camera module with me for more than 2 weeks now.
To be honest, i came to this idea just because of the hype the media and the other members who actually believe OIS is something great and needed.
but as far as i have used my phone for photo's i never felt something missing, that is probably my usage of it.
I believe this is because the MAX is huge enough that we actually hold the phone in a more stable manner while taking pics.
I should probably try taking pics while on the move to see the actual difference of the OIS thing.
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I should probably try taking pics while on the move to see the actual difference of the OIS thing.
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This. For anyone wondering OIS is not going to magically make the pics any better. If you dont like the still shots it takes you will not like them with ois. Just my .02.
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This. For anyone wondering OIS is not going to magically make the pics any better. If you dont like the still shots it takes you will not like them with ois. Just my .02.
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Absolutely !
From HTC's Site:
The New HTC UltraPixel Camera
The new HTC One will be the first to feature the HTC UltraPixel Camera - an advanced imaging technology that offers a great leap in the quality of point-and-shoot photos and video. Smartphones have rapidly become the primary camera for millions of people, and taking pictures has become an indispensable part of daily life. HTC is committed to offering the highest quality camera available, so even everyday pictures are gratifying and memorable.
With our new camera, you’ll be able to quickly shoot vivid, true-to-life images with a wide range of colors, even in low light conditions. We accomplish this not by increasing the number of megapixels in the camera, but by engineering a more advanced CMOS Sensor, ISP, and optical lens system that captures significantly more light than most 8 or 13 megapixel cameras.
“We shouldn't scrap pixel count entirely when weighing smartphone cameras, but in terms of the hardware and software details that actually go into making a great photo, megapixels are highly overrated. It's high time we focus on other areas that count more, like that undersung sensor.
Jessica Dolcourt,
CNET
May 12, 2012
In this section we will describe for you how we’ve created the most sensitive smartphone camera, which include these key components of ImageSense technology:
UltraPixel Sensor - Engineered with larger pixels, it enables each pixel to capture more than 300% more light than most leading 13 megapixel cameras.
HTC ImageChip - Offers continuous autofocus, color shading, and noise reduction, as well as more realistic High Dynamic Range.
F/2.0 Aperture - The largest available smartphone camera aperture, it lets in 44% more light than the iPhone 5.
Optical Image Stabilization - Drastically reduces blur in still photos and shaky video footage.
While the HTC One max has a UltraPixel Camera Zoe only offers Digital Image Stabilization. The Definitions are below.
Optical Image Stabilization (Hardware)
Optical image stabilization is the most effective form of image stabilization. Camcorders with optical image stabilization typically feature tiny gyro-sensors inside the lens that quickly shift pieces of the lens glass to off-set your motion. An image stabilization technology is considered "optical" if it features a moving element inside the camcorder lens.
Some camcorder manufacturers let you turn optical image stabilization on and off, or include several modes to compensate for different kinds of camera movement (either vertical or horizontal).
Digital Image Stabilization (Software)
Unlike optical systems, digital image stabilization uses software technology to reduce the impact of shaky hands on your video. Depending on the model, this can be accomplished in several ways. Some camcorders will calculate the impact of your body movement and use that data to adjust which pixels on the camcorder's image sensor are being used.
For consumer digital camcorders, digital image stabilization is usually less effective than optical stabilization. Given that, it pays to look closely when a camcorder claims to have "image stabilization." It may only be of the digital variety.
Interesting... If you try this oit let us know. I cant think of changing phones any time soon but if the pictures would get that much better then I am all for it.
Btw I owned two different One's and didnt find the pictures on it that much better.
Im actually looking forward to the phone blox to become something of production. With moto and google backing the project it should happen.
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Jiggity Janx said:
Interesting... If you try this oit let us know. I cant think of changing phones any time soon but if the pictures would get that much better then I am all for it.
Btw I owned two different One's and didnt find the pictures on it that much better.
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I definitely am going to try this out, but just waiting for a dis-assembly video so that i don't damage my phone. It won't be harder than the one i hope lol
where can i find the screew driver to take the htc one max apart. the volume rocker got messed up and i need to fix it.
ifher said:
where can i find the screew driver to take the htc one max apart. the volume rocker got messed up and i need to fix it.
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It's the standard Philips screw driver if i remember correctly.
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Hi, can some Max users post what sensor you have? You don't need to be rooted. Navigate to /sys/android_camera, open the file called sensor and post a screenshot.
Curious if Max users have the ST electronics sensor or the Omni sensor.
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Hi, can some Max users post what sensor you have? You don't need to be rooted. Navigate to /sys/android_camera, open the file called sensor and post a screenshot.
Curious if Max users have the ST electronics sensor or the Omni sensor.
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st vd6869(1.0) cinesensor 0000-00-00
st vd6869(1.0) cinesensor 0000-00-00
International version, HK region ROM
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Anybody here tried some lens for the P20/P20P camera? What model you tried and how does it perform?!?
Here is one using 52mm star 8+ under night mode
i'd love love a good wide angle one. i almost regret selling my v30 and upgrading to this. never use the zoom, but would have used wide angle as my default. anyone? the post above looks good clean enough at 52mm
bravo261 said:
i'd love love a good wide angle one. i almost regret selling my v30 and upgrading to this. never use the zoom, but would have used wide angle as my default. anyone? the post above looks good clean enough at 52mm
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I have use for my S8 BlitzWolf Mobile Phone Lens, and they was fantastic. Very, very good camera lens. But now I cant use it on P20 Pro. On back cameras and front camera when you put lens, every time photo is blur. I dont know why?
I would like to know is they any good wide angle lens for P20 Pro.
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I have use for my S8 BlitzWolf Mobile Phone Lens, and they was fantastic. Very, very good camera lens. But now I cant use it on P20 Pro. On back cameras and front camera when you put lens, every time photo is blur. I dont know why?
I would like to know is they any good wide angle lens for P20 Pro.
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Pretty much why I'm asking, I don't want to buy a lens that wont work
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Pretty much why I'm asking, I don't want to buy a lens that wont work
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IMHO, the p20 pro cameras all work in tandem, at least the 40mp + 10mp monochrome. You will suffer from diminished quality since your universal lens addon is only attached to one lens.
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IMHO, the p20 pro cameras all work in tandem, at least the 40mp + 10mp monochrome. You will suffer from diminished quality since your universal lens addon is only attached to one lens.
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It wasnt anounced that they worked together, but they have in the past so they probably do. We'll see, I might try one if nobody else does.
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It wasnt anounced that they worked together, but they have in the past so they probably do. We'll see, I might try one if nobody else does.
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You can try but based on what I know, you will be making some sacrifices here and there.
For instance, there are a bunch of sensors used for colour detection and a focus sensor sandwiched between the colour and zoom lens. If you use those clip on lenses you will be blocking the sensors.
The cameras I'm 99.999999999% sure they work together. That's the whole point of their marketing. A dedicated monochrome sensor to enhance image quality etc etc.
With multiple cameras in our phones these days, aftermarket add on lens means you get more trade offs when you use one of them.
i recently ordered one off Amazon. An AUKEY one for $10cdn
thinking having the wide angle would come in handy.
I will report back the quality of the pics when its clipped on. If im not satisfied, i will simply return it.
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You can try but based on what I know, you will be making some sacrifices here and there.
For instance, there are a bunch of sensors used for colour detection and a focus sensor sandwiched between the colour and zoom lens. If you use those clip on lenses you will be blocking the sensors.
The cameras I'm 99.999999999% sure they work together. That's the whole point of their marketing. A dedicated monochrome sensor to enhance image quality etc etc.
With multiple cameras in our phones these days, aftermarket add on lens means you get more trade offs when you use one of them.
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Yep. The phone uses at least two of the sensors together, if not all three.
Taken using a 0.45x super wide angle lens under night mode.
Can you take a picture with and without that wide lens so we can see the difference?
ak79 said:
Taken using a 0.45x super wide angle lens under night mode.
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And can yiu give a link of that lense, wehere can we buy it?
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Taken using a 0.45x super wide angle lens under night mode.
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Seems pretty effective!
Wich brand is your 0.45x super wide, and how did you fix it, on wich lens...
Think you for your answer:good:
Can you send us a link of lense and csn you shoot in daylight some photos?
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Anybody here tried some lens for the P20/P20P camera? What model you tried and how does it perform?!?
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I got one of these for my old phone, didn't know what to expect
This is where ois really plays a part.
Did you know how many times it says "ONE POUND" on a one pound coin,?
From the macro I got I could see it !!
Amazing
25 times
Those bobbles aren't bobbles. They're words.
I'd recommend it so long as they're high grade. No plastic holders
Good morning,
Any link to buy it, or trade?
dladz said:
I got one of these for my old phone, didn't know what to expect
This is where ois really plays a part.
Did you know how many times it says "ONE POUND" on a one pound coin,?
From the macro I got I could see it !!
Amazing
25 times
Those bobbles aren't bobbles. They're words.
I'd recommend it so long as they're high grade. No plastic holders
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bvannier said:
Good morning,
Any link to buy it, or trade?
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dladz said:
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Can you post some wide angle photos please
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Can you post some wide angle photos please
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I don't have it with me pal.
The macro and the Tele lenses were the best if I recall correctly.
I'm sure there are images online.
I first noticed that my optical x3 photos had a fair bit of digital noise to them.
I then tried pinching to change the zoom and I couldn't see any transition between the lenses when going from 2.9x to 3x. You should be able to clearly see the transition between 0.9x and 1x
After covering up all the lenses one by one with my finger and changing the zoom level, I can see that the x3 view (which should be using the bottom left lens, as you are looking at the back of the phone) is only blocked when I cover up the standard lens (top right)
Can anybody else verify this? Is this some strange intentional behaviour or a bug?
Confirmed on my device too as a bug when viewing the screen.
However, if I try taking a photo the camera switches to the 3rd sensor to actually take a photo.
Must be a new 'improved feature'.
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Rodpad said:
I then tried pinching to change the zoom and I couldn't see any transition between the lenses when going from 2.9x to 3x. You should be able to clearly see the transition between 0.9x and 1x
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IMHO I suppose it's so by design, to allow the user for a smooth zooming experience, and it can be considered a bug only as far as the correct lenses are not used to take the final picture.
I think it's to do with the minimum focus distance to be honest. If you're trying to focus on something far away it will switch but something close it will switch back.
I think, the camera changes at zoom 3x if there is enough light, otherwise it will use the main sensor. I tested this by holding the camera on TV and on my low board, the room was dark.
I'm on the 8/256 GB Reno 10x Zoom global. After getting ColorOS 7 I noticed a feature missing. Before the update the camera used to stitch together a combination of telephoto and main lenses when zooming between 3x and 4.9x, before switching to the telephoto exclusively for 5x and beyond. Now on ColorOS 7, anything under 5x is just pure digital zoom and it looks like garbage. Have hard reset my phone twice and reinstalled the whole OS just to make sure it wasn't an error on my unit specifically. Anyone know anything about this?
I can't post the link but googling
"3x-4.9x uses the main camera and telephoto camera."
Brings you to the Oppo page related to this feature
just my opinion
The telephoto lens is locked on 5x, so there is no way it can give you anything below it. Even if you go above 5x, then digital zoom will interfere
During the launch, this phone was providing 6x setup as Telephoto's 5x + digital touchup. This was done to maintain the focal length among cameras
i think this update did justice to the camera's hardware specifications.
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I'm on the 8/256 GB Reno 10x Zoom global. After getting ColorOS 7 I noticed a feature missing. Before the update the camera used to stitch together a combination of telephoto and main lenses when zooming between 3x and 4.9x, before switching to the telephoto exclusively for 5x and beyond. Now on ColorOS 7, anything under 5x is just pure digital zoom and it looks like garbage. Have hard reset my phone twice and reinstalled the whole OS just to make sure it wasn't an error on my unit specifically. Anyone know anything about this?
I can't post the link but googling
"3x-4.9x uses the main camera and telephoto camera."
Brings you to the Oppo page related to this feature
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Under 5x is digital? What are you on? Above 5x is digital, below and including is optical.
Screenshots show the settings.
moozer said:
Under 5x is digital? What are you on? Above 5x is digital, below and including is optical.
Screenshots show the settings.
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You have no clue what you're talking about. The 5x telephoto lense kicks in at 5x and anything under is digital. If you have nothing useful to add don't bother sharing.
Also...here's some screens of 1x, 2x, 5x and 10x of a garment sat 2 feet away using video mode.
Also...quit the rudeness. If I'm wrong, I will say so if proven to be. I had the assumption that digital zoom was a compliment to optical zoom to achieve closer detail above and beyond optical capability. That's all.
As you can see...10x is more blurry...hence digital zoom
If I am wrong, please discuss and enlighten me, but avoid rudeness
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Also...here's some screens of 1x, 2x, 5x and 10x of a garment sat 2 feet away using video mode.
Also...quit the rudeness. If I'm wrong, I will say so if proven to be. I had the assumption that digital zoom was a compliment to optical zoom to achieve closer detail above and beyond optical capability. That's all.
As you can see...10x is more blurry...hence digital zoom
If I am wrong, please discuss and enlighten me, but avoid rudeness
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Kicking off your comment with "what are you on?" Is the only rudeness I see here. Your screenshot is in video mode, and the telephoto doesn't record video so zoom will always be digital. That's entirely unrelated to the topic at hand.
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The telephoto lens is locked on 5x, so there is no way it can give you anything below it. Even if you go above 5x, then digital zoom will interfere
During the launch, this phone was providing 6x setup as Telephoto's 5x + digital touchup. This was done to maintain the focal length among cameras
i think this update did justice to the camera's hardware specifications.
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Actually below 5x it used to use the telephoto for the center of the image and the digital data from the main sensor for the edges, making it clear in the middle and fuzzy on the outsides when zooming 3x-4.9x. And it doesn't anymore unfortunately
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Kicking off your comment with "what are you on?" Is the only rudeness I see here. Your screenshot is in video mode, and the telephoto doesn't record video so zoom will always be digital. That's entirely unrelated to the topic at hand.
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Oh dear...what are you on as in....video mode? Photo mode? 1080? 30/60fps? That kind of thing. Where you are getting rudeness from there...I do not know.
Wind your neck in. Totally unnecessary rudeness
Screens showing photo mode
Wide...1x...2x...5x....10x
Subject approximately ½ metre from device, so I would fully expect clearer photos in 5x and 10x were they to be optically rendered. They are not clearly, which leads to believe what I was saying about digital vs optical. I'm open to learning about this in more detail, so please discuss this
The zoom lens don't Focus in close objects, that's why they are blurry.
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Actually below 5x it used to use the telephoto for the center of the image and the digital data from the main sensor for the edges, making it clear in the middle and fuzzy on the outsides when zooming 3x-4.9x. And it doesn't anymore unfortunately
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considering your point, i believe the settings of camera is plain clear and better now, than the half baked sandwich
moozer said:
Oh dear...what are you on as in....video mode? Photo mode? 1080? 30/60fps? That kind of thing. Where you are getting rudeness from there...I do not know.
Wind your neck in. Totally unnecessary rudeness
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I see, misunderstanding. I do apologize. And yes the camera has been done much justice by this update. The Reno 10x feels far better and I fell in love with the phone again. The software finally matches up with the hardware.
I have no complaints nother than the one feature that is now missing. The mode I'm on is photo. Video never used the wide or telephoto to begin with (unfortunately) so what I'm speaking on only applies to photo mode.
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considering your point, i believe the settings of camera is plain clear and better now, than the half baked sandwich
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I agree. Hardware is now much more complimented by the software. 10/10 for the update. I'm just sad to see that one small feature go.
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The zoom lens don't Focus in close objects, that's why they are blurry.
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Exactly, it's 5x zoom and also 5x focal distance. ??
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Screens showing photo mode
Wide...1x...2x...5x....10x
Subject approximately ½ metre from device, so I would fully expect clearer photos in 5x and 10x were they to be optically rendered. They are not clearly, which leads to believe what I was saying about digital vs optical. I'm open to learning about this in more detail, so please discuss this
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As for this point, the telephoto lense is able to zoom so far because it actually isn't focusing light until an object is about 5 to 6 feet away. Your subject looked blurry because it was too close for the 5x lense. That's tne downside of a far reaching zoom lense, you can't get close to your subject. That's the difference between 5x macro and 5x zoom. I've never been able to photograph anything closer than 6 feet with the telephoto lense
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As for this point, the telephoto lense is able to zoom so far because it actually isn't focusing light until an object is about 5 to 6 feet away. Your subject looked blurry because it was too close for the 5x lense. That's tne downside of a far reaching zoom lense, you can't get close to your subject. That's the difference between 5x macro and 5x zoom. I've never been able to photograph anything closer than 6 feet with the telephoto lense
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Thank you
This is what he is saying, in my opinion he is right,
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" oppo-nz.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6737/~/what-cameras-are-used-for-the-zoom-mode%C2%A0in-reno-10x-zoom%3F "
zoom from 1x-5x only has digital zoom main lens, 5x is telephoto lens
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Screens showing photo mode
Wide...1x...2x...5x....10x
Subject approximately ½ metre from device, so I would fully expect clearer photos in 5x and 10x were they to be optically rendered. They are not clearly, which leads to believe what I was saying about digital vs optical. I'm open to learning about this in more detail, so please discuss this
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zoom lens has a large focal length for capturing distant objects, if too close it will not be visible because it is in focus, the principle of seeing glass converge
He is referring to the image fusion technique which uses both main lens (for the borders) and zoom lens (for the center) between 3-4.9x, you can check DXOMark's review for more details.
Although this technique creates better resolution on center (as it is using the 5X zoom lens), it also creates artifacts which is not easily fixable.
I seldom use this range so it's not important to me. What we are waiting is video function using all lens, which is already implemented with ColorOS 7.1 update on Reno 5G (CPH1921) and Reno 10X China version (PCCM00), but not on Reno 10X Global (CPH1919) yet.
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He is referring to the image fusion technique which uses both main lens (for the borders) and zoom lens (for the center) between 3-4.9x, you can check DXOMark's review for more details.
Although this technique creates better resolution on center (as it is using the 5X zoom lens), it also creates artifacts which is not easily fixable.
I seldom use this range so it's not important to me. What we are waiting is video function using all lens, which is already implemented with ColorOS 7.1 update on Reno 5G (CPH1921) and Reno 10X China version (PCCM00), but not on Reno 10X Global (CPH1919) yet.
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Thank you.
We had established 2 weeks ago that I'd misunderstood, but thanks for adding to the knowledge database, dude
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He is referring to the image fusion technique which uses both main lens (for the borders) and zoom lens (for the center) between 3-4.9x, you can check DXOMark's review for more details.
Although this technique creates better resolution on center (as it is using the 5X zoom lens), it also creates artifacts which is not easily fixable.
I seldom use this range so it's not important to me. What we are waiting is video function using all lens, which is already implemented with ColorOS 7.1 update on Reno 5G (CPH1921) and Reno 10X China version (PCCM00), but not on Reno 10X Global (CPH1919) yet.
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I don't suppose the ColorOS 7.1 update on the Reno 5g added RAW file support did it? (I am not expecting it to, but it's my most desired feature [more so than video on the other lenses])
I've had the phone for a couple of days now ant the battery life is stellar but the camera is such a disappointment. Compared with the S22 Ultra it lets in less light and the pictures are overall darker. Same goes for low light pictures, the S22 Ultra is consistently brighter in all scenarios. It reminds me of the difference between my iPhone 13Pro and my S22 Ultra last year the former always capturing more light. To be honest I was expecting the opposite to be true with all the reviewers clamoring about the S23 Ultra's better low life performance and camera overall. I'm really not impressed so far.
Anyone else still in possession of both phones? What's your experience been like? Any suggestions? Did I miss something in the setting? So many questions
Clear cam data, try a hard reboot and clear system cache. Try in safe mode.
Carefully go through -all- the cam settings and options.
Return it if you don't like it for a cash refund.
Are you using the 12 MP default option instead of 200 MP? The 12 MP is said to give the best results on colors and contrast when shooting in low light.
"Binning pixels like this increases their effective size, allowing them to gather more light and detail. So the ISOCELL HP2 can bin every four pixels to effectively make them 1.2μm in size and produce 50-megapixel images, or bin 16 for even larger 2.4μm pixels and 12.5-megapixel images."
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Clear cam data, try a hard reboot and clear system cache. Try in safe mode.
Carefully go through -all- the cam settings and options.
Return it if you don't like it for a cash refund.
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Done. No dice. The camera still lets in less light on the S23U. In the settings I noticed that Camera assistant is missing. Must be a One UI 5.1 thing. Do you also have the S22 and S23 Ultra? Is that the reason for your suggestions? Are you seeing different results?
I'm upgrading from S22U (SnapDragon) to S23U and the few comparison shots I've taken I found that the S23U does capture slightly more detail, but there's not much difference at all. Remember this is the initial firmware for the phone though so the camera performance should hopefully receive some updates over time.
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I'm upgrading from S22U (SnapDragon) to S23U and the few comparison shots I've taken I found that the S23U does capture slightly more detail, but there's not much difference at all. Remember this is the initial firmware for the phone though so the camera performance should hopefully receive some updates over time.
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For sure. I totally get that. The thing is all the reviewers said that the s23u captured more light and that has yet to materialize for me. They were using the same software. To your point, the software should get better but I feel as though this is a hardware thing. But I'm no expert.
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Are you using the 12 MP default option instead of 200 MP? The 12 MP is said to give the best results on colors and contrast when shooting in low light.
"Binning pixels like this increases their effective size, allowing them to gather more light and detail. So the ISOCELL HP2 can bin every four pixels to effectively make them 1.2μm in size and produce 50-megapixel images, or bin 16 for even larger 2.4μm pixels and 12.5-megapixel images."
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If by 12MP you mean 3:4 absolutely. Didn't change anything.
mrnovanova said:
If by 12MP you mean 3:4 absolutely. Didn't change anything.
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I don't have my phone yet but there is a setting somewhere that you can choose between 200 MP, 50 MP or 12 MP in settings.
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Done. No dice. The camera still lets in less light on the S23U. In the settings I noticed that Camera assistant is missing. Must be a One UI 5.1 thing. Do you also have the S22 and S23 Ultra? Is that the reason for your suggestions? Are you seeing different results?
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Try shooting raws, at least 3 f/stops more exposure and WB correction. Downside is the post processing effort/time required.
The issue may simply be the firmware instruction set. Samsung is notorious for dialing things in after the release. I'm still happily running N10+'s on Pie and Q. I demand a dual drive capable device. I'm not pleased at all by the newer Android versions from Gookill either.
The dead zone between pixels on such a small sensor with such a huge pixel count is concerning as is the individual pixel microlense quality. Even 20mp is pushing it. Canon full frame sensors are maxed out at about 26mp.
Regardless of the camera learning it's capabilities, limitations and shooting effectively within those boundaries is what grabs keepers.
I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have it.
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Is it the camera or the display?
Check/compare images on a properly color calibrated monitor... yeah, it's a can of worms.
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I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have
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I'll try tomorrow
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I'll try tomorrow
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In low light hold the phone as still as possible.
Use a nearby fixed object to brace it or yourself on when possible.
Using the spen as a remote shutter release will help too.
mrnovanova said:
I'll try tomorrow! This app is so wonky for me. I'll try tomorrow and post the pics.
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In low light hold the phone as still as possible.
Use a nearby fixed object to brace it or yourself on when possible.
Using the spen as a remote shutter release will help too.
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I got a Benro Tripod with a Phone attachment mounted on top. Gonna try that when I get the Ultra Monday doing some dark photos and using the pen as remote shutter release. Will also do same with the S22U before sending it back to Samsung.
PhilMorin said:
I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have it.
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Okay I think this worked. I'll let you guess which is which.
Edit: @blackhawk was spot on. They were both from the S22u. I have such a hard time with the app. I re-uploaded the correct pics. Left S23u Right S22u.
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I got a Benro Tripod with a Phone attachment mounted on top. Gonna try that when I get the Ultra Monday doing some dark photos and using the pen as remote shutter release. Will also do same with the S22U before sending it back to Samsung.
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I loathe tripods. Learned to improvise and shoot in low light with my Canon Pro cam 15 years ago.
I'll use anything at any height or angle I can reach as a brace; with practice you can land one of a kind keepers no tripod can grab.
Smart phones are poor shooting platforms; light weight so there's little stabilizing inertia and lousy handholds. Poor shutter release and controls. However they lend themselves to bracing well enough. In a case you don't have to worry much about what you brace it on...
The traditional elbows in, wide staggered foot stance, hold your breath works too. Shooting technique counts...
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Okay I think this worked. I'll let you guess which is which.
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Poor example; different shooting heights skews the results. The AF lock on point is also different so the bottle's print is out of focus in the one shot. Light metering and colors look near identical in both.
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I loathe tripods. Learned to improvise and shoot in low light with my Canon Pro cam 15 years ago.
I'll use anything at any height or angle I can reach as a brace; with practice you can land one of a kind keepers no tripod can grab.
Smart phones are poor shooting platforms; light weight so there's little stabilizing inertia and lousy handholds. Poor shutter release and controls. However they lend themselves to bracing well enough. In a case you don't have to worry much about what you brace it on...
The traditional elbows in, wide staggered foot stance, hold your breath works too. Shooting technique counts...
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That might work for Photos but not very well for videos especially when you are zooming in 20x. Here's is an example where I have S22U on a tripod and zoom in on a waterfall from across the canyon and pan up and down. No way you gonna do it that smoothly holding it in your hands even braced. So for videos I love the tripod. It's the very lightest one they make and perfect for cell phones or light cameras. Change YouTube resolution to 1080p for best viewing.