I'm on the 8/256 GB Reno 10x Zoom global. After getting ColorOS 7 I noticed a feature missing. Before the update the camera used to stitch together a combination of telephoto and main lenses when zooming between 3x and 4.9x, before switching to the telephoto exclusively for 5x and beyond. Now on ColorOS 7, anything under 5x is just pure digital zoom and it looks like garbage. Have hard reset my phone twice and reinstalled the whole OS just to make sure it wasn't an error on my unit specifically. Anyone know anything about this?
I can't post the link but googling
"3x-4.9x uses the main camera and telephoto camera."
Brings you to the Oppo page related to this feature
just my opinion
The telephoto lens is locked on 5x, so there is no way it can give you anything below it. Even if you go above 5x, then digital zoom will interfere
During the launch, this phone was providing 6x setup as Telephoto's 5x + digital touchup. This was done to maintain the focal length among cameras
i think this update did justice to the camera's hardware specifications.
TobiTella said:
I'm on the 8/256 GB Reno 10x Zoom global. After getting ColorOS 7 I noticed a feature missing. Before the update the camera used to stitch together a combination of telephoto and main lenses when zooming between 3x and 4.9x, before switching to the telephoto exclusively for 5x and beyond. Now on ColorOS 7, anything under 5x is just pure digital zoom and it looks like garbage. Have hard reset my phone twice and reinstalled the whole OS just to make sure it wasn't an error on my unit specifically. Anyone know anything about this?
I can't post the link but googling
"3x-4.9x uses the main camera and telephoto camera."
Brings you to the Oppo page related to this feature
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Under 5x is digital? What are you on? Above 5x is digital, below and including is optical.
Screenshots show the settings.
moozer said:
Under 5x is digital? What are you on? Above 5x is digital, below and including is optical.
Screenshots show the settings.
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You have no clue what you're talking about. The 5x telephoto lense kicks in at 5x and anything under is digital. If you have nothing useful to add don't bother sharing.
Also...here's some screens of 1x, 2x, 5x and 10x of a garment sat 2 feet away using video mode.
Also...quit the rudeness. If I'm wrong, I will say so if proven to be. I had the assumption that digital zoom was a compliment to optical zoom to achieve closer detail above and beyond optical capability. That's all.
As you can see...10x is more blurry...hence digital zoom
If I am wrong, please discuss and enlighten me, but avoid rudeness
moozer said:
Also...here's some screens of 1x, 2x, 5x and 10x of a garment sat 2 feet away using video mode.
Also...quit the rudeness. If I'm wrong, I will say so if proven to be. I had the assumption that digital zoom was a compliment to optical zoom to achieve closer detail above and beyond optical capability. That's all.
As you can see...10x is more blurry...hence digital zoom
If I am wrong, please discuss and enlighten me, but avoid rudeness
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Kicking off your comment with "what are you on?" Is the only rudeness I see here. Your screenshot is in video mode, and the telephoto doesn't record video so zoom will always be digital. That's entirely unrelated to the topic at hand.
van_helsing_80 said:
The telephoto lens is locked on 5x, so there is no way it can give you anything below it. Even if you go above 5x, then digital zoom will interfere
During the launch, this phone was providing 6x setup as Telephoto's 5x + digital touchup. This was done to maintain the focal length among cameras
i think this update did justice to the camera's hardware specifications.
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Actually below 5x it used to use the telephoto for the center of the image and the digital data from the main sensor for the edges, making it clear in the middle and fuzzy on the outsides when zooming 3x-4.9x. And it doesn't anymore unfortunately
TobiTella said:
Kicking off your comment with "what are you on?" Is the only rudeness I see here. Your screenshot is in video mode, and the telephoto doesn't record video so zoom will always be digital. That's entirely unrelated to the topic at hand.
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Oh dear...what are you on as in....video mode? Photo mode? 1080? 30/60fps? That kind of thing. Where you are getting rudeness from there...I do not know.
Wind your neck in. Totally unnecessary rudeness
Screens showing photo mode
Wide...1x...2x...5x....10x
Subject approximately ½ metre from device, so I would fully expect clearer photos in 5x and 10x were they to be optically rendered. They are not clearly, which leads to believe what I was saying about digital vs optical. I'm open to learning about this in more detail, so please discuss this
The zoom lens don't Focus in close objects, that's why they are blurry.
TobiTella said:
Actually below 5x it used to use the telephoto for the center of the image and the digital data from the main sensor for the edges, making it clear in the middle and fuzzy on the outsides when zooming 3x-4.9x. And it doesn't anymore unfortunately
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considering your point, i believe the settings of camera is plain clear and better now, than the half baked sandwich
moozer said:
Oh dear...what are you on as in....video mode? Photo mode? 1080? 30/60fps? That kind of thing. Where you are getting rudeness from there...I do not know.
Wind your neck in. Totally unnecessary rudeness
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I see, misunderstanding. I do apologize. And yes the camera has been done much justice by this update. The Reno 10x feels far better and I fell in love with the phone again. The software finally matches up with the hardware.
I have no complaints nother than the one feature that is now missing. The mode I'm on is photo. Video never used the wide or telephoto to begin with (unfortunately) so what I'm speaking on only applies to photo mode.
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considering your point, i believe the settings of camera is plain clear and better now, than the half baked sandwich
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I agree. Hardware is now much more complimented by the software. 10/10 for the update. I'm just sad to see that one small feature go.
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The zoom lens don't Focus in close objects, that's why they are blurry.
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Exactly, it's 5x zoom and also 5x focal distance. ??
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Screens showing photo mode
Wide...1x...2x...5x....10x
Subject approximately ½ metre from device, so I would fully expect clearer photos in 5x and 10x were they to be optically rendered. They are not clearly, which leads to believe what I was saying about digital vs optical. I'm open to learning about this in more detail, so please discuss this
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As for this point, the telephoto lense is able to zoom so far because it actually isn't focusing light until an object is about 5 to 6 feet away. Your subject looked blurry because it was too close for the 5x lense. That's tne downside of a far reaching zoom lense, you can't get close to your subject. That's the difference between 5x macro and 5x zoom. I've never been able to photograph anything closer than 6 feet with the telephoto lense
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As for this point, the telephoto lense is able to zoom so far because it actually isn't focusing light until an object is about 5 to 6 feet away. Your subject looked blurry because it was too close for the 5x lense. That's tne downside of a far reaching zoom lense, you can't get close to your subject. That's the difference between 5x macro and 5x zoom. I've never been able to photograph anything closer than 6 feet with the telephoto lense
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Thank you
This is what he is saying, in my opinion he is right,
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" oppo-nz.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6737/~/what-cameras-are-used-for-the-zoom-mode%C2%A0in-reno-10x-zoom%3F "
zoom from 1x-5x only has digital zoom main lens, 5x is telephoto lens
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moozer said:
Screens showing photo mode
Wide...1x...2x...5x....10x
Subject approximately ½ metre from device, so I would fully expect clearer photos in 5x and 10x were they to be optically rendered. They are not clearly, which leads to believe what I was saying about digital vs optical. I'm open to learning about this in more detail, so please discuss this
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zoom lens has a large focal length for capturing distant objects, if too close it will not be visible because it is in focus, the principle of seeing glass converge
He is referring to the image fusion technique which uses both main lens (for the borders) and zoom lens (for the center) between 3-4.9x, you can check DXOMark's review for more details.
Although this technique creates better resolution on center (as it is using the 5X zoom lens), it also creates artifacts which is not easily fixable.
I seldom use this range so it's not important to me. What we are waiting is video function using all lens, which is already implemented with ColorOS 7.1 update on Reno 5G (CPH1921) and Reno 10X China version (PCCM00), but not on Reno 10X Global (CPH1919) yet.
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He is referring to the image fusion technique which uses both main lens (for the borders) and zoom lens (for the center) between 3-4.9x, you can check DXOMark's review for more details.
Although this technique creates better resolution on center (as it is using the 5X zoom lens), it also creates artifacts which is not easily fixable.
I seldom use this range so it's not important to me. What we are waiting is video function using all lens, which is already implemented with ColorOS 7.1 update on Reno 5G (CPH1921) and Reno 10X China version (PCCM00), but not on Reno 10X Global (CPH1919) yet.
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Thank you.
We had established 2 weeks ago that I'd misunderstood, but thanks for adding to the knowledge database, dude
squallho1 said:
He is referring to the image fusion technique which uses both main lens (for the borders) and zoom lens (for the center) between 3-4.9x, you can check DXOMark's review for more details.
Although this technique creates better resolution on center (as it is using the 5X zoom lens), it also creates artifacts which is not easily fixable.
I seldom use this range so it's not important to me. What we are waiting is video function using all lens, which is already implemented with ColorOS 7.1 update on Reno 5G (CPH1921) and Reno 10X China version (PCCM00), but not on Reno 10X Global (CPH1919) yet.
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I don't suppose the ColorOS 7.1 update on the Reno 5g added RAW file support did it? (I am not expecting it to, but it's my most desired feature [more so than video on the other lenses])
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This is with AI turned off:
When you choose to use the 40m resolution in camera setting, it removes the ability to use the 20m wideangle camera.
Example, if i want to take a wideangle photo, i have to go into settings, set the camera to 10m and then "zoom" out to get the 20m(!) wideangle camera.
How is this logic?
did you notice when swithcing to the 10mp setting and want to switch back tovthe 40mp setting, the settting isnt there anymore?!? you have to close the app and swioe away in multitask menu
It's probably because the wide angle lens is the 20mp camera. The main one is 40mp.
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It's probably because the wide angle lens is the 20mp camera. The main one is 40mp.
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I know, that but thats not the issue here.
One more time:
When you have the main camera on 10mp you get the ability to change to the 20mb wide angle camera. Using the slider on the right side.
But when you have the main camera on 40mb, you are no longer able to change to the wide angle camera. I understand why zoom is removed but not the switch to the wide angle camera wich is another camera anyway
Why is that?
Because with 40mp you are limited to one lens and one sensor. 10mp option utilizes all lenses and sensors as they have 40,20 and 8 MP accordingly, so 10MO is an interpolated resolution.
boober78 said:
Because with 40mp you are limited to one lens and one sensor. 10mp option utilizes all lenses and sensors as they have 40,20 and 8 MP accordingly, so 10MO is an interpolated resolution.
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But still, it should be a button to switch to make it easier. Or a wide angle option in the camera modes (night, portrait, pro, wide angle ect.)
Well, you have the button. It's called settings. Just leave it at default if you don't know how it works maybe ?
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Well, you have the button. It's called settings. Just leave it at default if you don't know how it works maybe
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No need to be rude here. Good for you if you are happy with 10 mp, but for us who wants to use the full potensial of the camera are stuck with a 4-step operation just to make the wide angle work.
That just seem unnecessary.
if you want to use the "full potential" of the camera you would leave it at 10MP and not put it to 40MP.... that's called making use of all available pixels.....
besides you'd be better off asking Huawei tech support about it instead of shooting down everyone else's answers and opinions here.............
me.... i'm more annoyed by the fact that 1080p60 video recording is weirdly zoomed.......
terkje said:
No need to be rude here. Good for you if you are happy with 10 mp, but for us who wants to use the full potensial of the camera are stuck with a 4-step operation just to make the wide angle work.
That just seem unnecessary.
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Nobody is being rude. It's good to have a perspective. And you are not stuck at 4 step operation. Just leave it as is. You won't have 40mp wide angle as there in no 40mp sensor with wide angle lens, hope that is clear by now.
chewdaniel said:
if you want to use the "full potential" of the camera you would leave it at 10MP and not put it to 40MP.... that's called making use of all available pixels.....
besides you'd be better off asking Huawei tech support about it instead of shooting down everyone else's answers and opinions here.............
me.... i'm more annoyed by the fact that 1080p60 video recording is weirdly zoomed.......
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No. Full potential would be having the camera switch between the main 40mp lens, the 20mp wide angle and the 8mp zoom lens.
But the software does not give us this option unless you set the 40mp camera to 10 mp. Thats not making use of all available pixels.
boober78 said:
Nobody is being rude. It's good to have a perspective. And you are not stuck at 4 step operation. Just leave it as is. You won't have 40mp wide angle as there in no 40mp sensor with wide angle lens, hope that is clear by now.
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Please read the thread properly. I never said 40 mp wide angle:
"When you choose to use the 40m resolution in camera setting, it removes the ability to use the 20m wideangle camera. "
terkje said:
Please read the thread properly. I never said 40 mp wide angle:
"When you choose to use the 40m resolution in camera setting, it removes the ability to use the 20m wideangle camera. "
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I read it properly. And replied. When you use the 40 MP sensor you can use only 40MP sensor. Not wide angle, not zoom, but the main one. Hope that's understandable. When you choose 10MP resolution, you can use all three. Quite frankly for me. And most of the users. Just leave it. Really.
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Please read the thread properly. I never said 40 mp wide angle:
"When you choose to use the 40m resolution in camera setting, it removes the ability to use the 20m wideangle camera. "
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I read it properly. And replied. When you use the 40 MP sensor you can use only 40MP sensor. Not wide angle, not zoom, but the main one. Hope that's understandable. When you choose 10MP resolution, you can use all three. Quite frankly for me. And most of the users. Just leave it. Really.
BTW, you don't loose anything. 20MP option was never there.
boober78 said:
Nobody is being rude. It's good to have a perspective. And you are not stuck at 4 step operation. Just leave it as is. You won't have 40mp wide angle as there in no 40mp sensor with wide angle lens, hope that is clear by now.
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Look up "snide" in the dictionary and find your name there buddy (see how I used the emoji to deflect any hostile response there?)
40mp option is there for a reason. When you have plenty of light and don't need pixel-binning to get a clean image, 40mp gives you way more flexibility when editing. Just because some people don't know how to use their phones to take a great photo without all the software helping doesn't mean others can't.
P.S.: There's a whole thread where people complain about what's wrong with the phone (and the OS). This probably belongs there too.
Itaintrite said:
Look up "snide" in the dictionary and find your name there buddy (see how I used the emoji to deflect any hostile response there?)
40mp option is there for a reason. When you have plenty of light and don't need pixel-binning to get a clean image, 40mp gives you way more flexibility when editing. Just because some people don't know how to use their phones to take a great photo without all the software helping doesn't mean others can't.
P.S.: There's a whole thread where people complain about what's wrong with the phone (and the OS). This probably belongs there too.
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Wow, what a response. Don't really understand what snide means do you? Emoji is there for a reason. The response was not hostile, but was given number of times, maybe the OP should post the problems in the thread you mention or report the issue to Huawei support? There is simply no solution for us to help the OP...
I'd rather have the max resolution for each lens in the camera to unleash the maximum quality of the taken picture... The Huawei Camera software is currently kinda stupid as it limits the potential to do any quick changes.
ms2010 said:
I'd rather have the max resolution for each lens in the camera to unleash the maximum quality of the taken picture... The Huawei Camera software is currently kinda stupid as it limits the potential to do any quick changes.
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If you know what you're doing, you don't need to quickly change modes. Just manage your settings throughout the day.
what about tasker or some app that makes a shortcut to the 40 mp setting. with this it should be one press to swtich between the modes? someone tried that?
Lol long story short, to answer the op. 40 MP is a lot right. The isp can only handle so much data. When you're in normal 10mp mode the isp is still using data from the other 2 camera. For example. When you're in the dark and you zoom in it will not use the tele lens because it can see that the image isn't good enough. When you're using the full 40 MP there's simply not enough head room to sample any frames from the other camera. It's not a bug or an issue. It's just a limitation of the hardware
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Lol long story short, to answer the op. 40 MP is a lot right. The isp can only handle so much data. When you're in normal 10mp mode the isp is still using data from the other 2 camera. For example. When you're in the dark and you zoom in it will not use the tele lens because it can see that the image isn't good enough. When you're using the full 40 MP there's simply not enough head room to sample any frames from the other camera. It's not a bug or an issue. It's just a limitation of the hardware
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This is not about zooming.
Short: I just want to be able to switch to the 20 mp wide angle camera when I have 40mp in the main camera.
Just a button replacing "go into settings > resolution > change to 10 mp > exit resolution > exit setting > zoom(!?) out"
I have suggested to Huawei to at least add a "wide angle" option you can download in "more" menu.
If you agree, let Huawei know and hopefully we will see a update on this.
I've personally had my eyes on the Mi 9 for a while since the first set of leaks came out, as the leaks got more & more specific & started to list the camera specifications I noticed immediately the lack of OIS & assumed it was just left off there accidentally, then when it was announced yesterday it was confirmed not to have OIS, admittedly at first it did put me off slightly as not having such a feature on a 2019 flagship seemed ridiculous to me, now however I'm not sure & will wait till the event on the 24th, let me know what you guys think & if it's important to you.
Without OIS you get bad pics at night. Video is okay with EIS but without OIS, you can't fix that.
When I pay over 400€, OIS is a must have.
With OIS you can only get better pictures of static scene at night or lower light. Does not apply to kids, pets or any moving objects that get blured out thanks to slower shutter speed compared to sensors without OIS that must use faster shutter speeds by design. For video OIS is useless. So it is understandable that OEMs like Xiaomi are cutting costs on OIS that you have very limited range of use. Basically only usecase today's is night static scene and that is not worth extra cost/devide thickness for aggressive priced devices like MI 9.
It doesn't really matter for me
Man that is so sad ois makes a flagship
They should have sacrificed a camera or 2 just for the ois
For the price l'm not crying about OIS. If i want it that bad I'll pay the premium elsewhere.
Rommco05 said:
When I noticed Mi9 is without OIS I was hardly shocked but I can leave one year without OIS and hoping Mi10 will have stabilization back. DXOmark give too high score to Mi9 so we should be fine also without. So yes I will but Mi9
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It'll be interesting for sure to see how especially night photography will turn out with the Mi 9 vs the competition with OIS. Do we have a whitepaper somewhere that would show exactly how for example HDR+ (Google) works? Does it use a longer exposure for the shots, especially on Night Mode, or are the images that are stitched together taken with a relatively short exposure? (ie potentially possible even without OIS)
@D1G1TE OIS useless in videos? Man, than I need to tell you, that EIS works only in 30fps modes, so you are left absolutely without any stabilization in video, my mi 8 will record better 60fps videos (of course as soon as it's get update for it )
If OIS is compensated in the software section. Like they said in hands on. It doesn't bother me.
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Xiaomi said that?
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No it was mentioned in a hands on (can't remember which) that EIS was doing its thing.
It has no ois yet its an extremely good camera?
??? What is going on here
Does it take decent night shots no blurry eis?
The GSM Arena review has convinced me the camera will be superior for my needs.
I don't believe I've ever had a phone with OIS - it is tricky to miss what you don't have!
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No it was mentioned in a hands on (can't remember which) that EIS was doing its thing.
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The GSM Arena review mentions it in the Video section
EIS is available for both cameras and all common resolutions (4K, 1080p and 720p), but it works only for the 30fps modes. The digital stabilization does a great job smoothing the camera shake at the expense of minor loss of FoV.
ToneLa said:
The GSM Arena review has convinced me the camera will be superior for my needs.
I don't believe I've ever had a phone with OIS - it is tricky to miss what you don't have!
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The GSM Arena review mentions it in the Video section
EIS is available for both cameras and all common resolutions (4K, 1080p and 720p), but it works only for the 30fps modes. The digital stabilization does a great job smoothing the camera shake at the expense of minor loss of FoV.
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OK?? So no stabilisation at all 60fps? That kind of sucks.
https://www.gizchina.com/2019/02/17/mi-9-closed-loop-motor-explained/
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https://www.gizchina.com/2019/02/17/mi-9-closed-loop-motor-explained/
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Is it possible to have OIS with a closed loop motor? Not sure I understood the article fully. Thanks!
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Is it possible to have OIS with a closed loop motor? Not sure I understood the article fully. Thanks!
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From how I read it, with the position sensor immediately informing the VCM to adjust, that means that OIS isn't necessarily needed, however whether it's possible is a different matter entirely I think
I find it a strange story. If you compare those drawings it looks to me it's an enhanced OIS. Now with a positioning sensor.
Why didn't they market this aspect better...?? It wasn't been told in the presentation.
Yes it has OIS but better?
BTW. I hear the "closed loop motor" now for the first time.
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I find it a strange story. If you compare those drawings it looks to me it's an enhanced OIS. Now with a positioning sensor.
Why didn't they market this aspect better...?? It wasn't been told in the presentation.
Yes it has OIS but better?
BTW. I hear the "closed loop motor" now for the first time.
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Because it's inferior to OIS, basically the "closed loop motor" can focus faster & more accurate thanks to the positioning sensor, however in regards to stability OIS wins because it isn't fixed, you'll see quite a few Mi 9 owners complaining over blur in night shots, this is because when the persons had shakes there is no OIS to compensate.
Edit: I saw inferior because if you look at the Mix 3's focusing it was perfectly fine imo, we've lost OIS for something that wasn't necessarily "bad" in the first place.
This is how I think it works based on my own research, Xiaomi didn't really give us any information on it themselves, so if anyone more knowledgeable has more to add or correct, feel free
TheInfiniteAndroid said:
Because it's inferior to OIS, basically the "closed loop motor" can focus faster & more accurate thanks to the positioning sensor, however in regards to stability OIS wins because it isn't fixed, you'll see quite a few Mi 9 owners complaining over blur in night shots, this is because when the persons had shakes there is no OIS to compensate.
Edit: I saw inferior because if you look at the Mix 3's focusing it was perfectly fine imo, we've lost OIS for something that wasn't necessarily "bad" in the first place.
This is how I think it works based on my own research, Xiaomi didn't really give us any information on it themselves, so if anyone more knowledgeable has more to add or correct, feel free
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I read somewhere that the fact Mi 9 is using a larger sensor, and because of this fitting OIS wasn't possible. Do you know of any phone with the Sony IMX586 sensor that has OIS? This doesn't explain why eg the telephoto sensor and lens doesn't have OIS though ?
ckarv said:
I read somewhere that the fact Mi 9 is using a larger sensor, and because of this fitting OIS wasn't possible. Do you know of any phone with the Sony IMX586 sensor that has OIS? This doesn't explain why eg the telephoto sensor and lens doesn't have OIS though ?
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The Honor View 20 uses the IMX586 & that too doesn't have OIS it uses EIS & AIS. There is also another Xiaomi device, the Redmi Note 7 Pro, which has the IMX586 & again, there is no OIS, assuming they're the only devices that use the IMX586 then it's confirmed that there is no OIS possible with the IMX586
When you use photo mode and toggle 2X it doesn't use the top lens, the telephoto one, it uses the maine with digital zoom, it makes no sense.
The only way to activate that lens is in portrait mode, them is uses the telephoto lens.
For me is a bit illogical not using the optical zoom in photo mode, like the mate 20 line-up does, it would be great that it could be fix in the future with a update.
PVRP said:
When you use photo mode and toggle 2X it doesn't use the top lens, the telephoto one, it uses the maine with digital zoom, it makes no sense.
The only way to activate that lens is in portrait mode, them is uses the telephoto lens.
For me is a bit illogical not using the optical zoom in photo mode, like the mate 20 line-up does, it would be great that it could be fix in the future with a update.
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.... I thought that the detail of the 2x zoom wasn't that good!
Reported to Xiaomi.
What?? You are right..... What a find....
I just also noticed this. Since using gcam with telephoto produces far better results.
Rommco05 said:
Where you reported? Post here link and we can join to that bug
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Just via Settings - Feedback (at the bottom of the settings menu)
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I just also noticed this. Since using gcam with telephoto produces far better results.
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Which verison?
Cheers
TelePhoto Lens 2x times zoom is working on Photo mode.
It just depends on the lightning conditions. When it has enough light it uses telephoto.
I've had the phone for a couple of days now ant the battery life is stellar but the camera is such a disappointment. Compared with the S22 Ultra it lets in less light and the pictures are overall darker. Same goes for low light pictures, the S22 Ultra is consistently brighter in all scenarios. It reminds me of the difference between my iPhone 13Pro and my S22 Ultra last year the former always capturing more light. To be honest I was expecting the opposite to be true with all the reviewers clamoring about the S23 Ultra's better low life performance and camera overall. I'm really not impressed so far.
Anyone else still in possession of both phones? What's your experience been like? Any suggestions? Did I miss something in the setting? So many questions
Clear cam data, try a hard reboot and clear system cache. Try in safe mode.
Carefully go through -all- the cam settings and options.
Return it if you don't like it for a cash refund.
Are you using the 12 MP default option instead of 200 MP? The 12 MP is said to give the best results on colors and contrast when shooting in low light.
"Binning pixels like this increases their effective size, allowing them to gather more light and detail. So the ISOCELL HP2 can bin every four pixels to effectively make them 1.2μm in size and produce 50-megapixel images, or bin 16 for even larger 2.4μm pixels and 12.5-megapixel images."
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Clear cam data, try a hard reboot and clear system cache. Try in safe mode.
Carefully go through -all- the cam settings and options.
Return it if you don't like it for a cash refund.
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Done. No dice. The camera still lets in less light on the S23U. In the settings I noticed that Camera assistant is missing. Must be a One UI 5.1 thing. Do you also have the S22 and S23 Ultra? Is that the reason for your suggestions? Are you seeing different results?
I'm upgrading from S22U (SnapDragon) to S23U and the few comparison shots I've taken I found that the S23U does capture slightly more detail, but there's not much difference at all. Remember this is the initial firmware for the phone though so the camera performance should hopefully receive some updates over time.
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I'm upgrading from S22U (SnapDragon) to S23U and the few comparison shots I've taken I found that the S23U does capture slightly more detail, but there's not much difference at all. Remember this is the initial firmware for the phone though so the camera performance should hopefully receive some updates over time.
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For sure. I totally get that. The thing is all the reviewers said that the s23u captured more light and that has yet to materialize for me. They were using the same software. To your point, the software should get better but I feel as though this is a hardware thing. But I'm no expert.
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Are you using the 12 MP default option instead of 200 MP? The 12 MP is said to give the best results on colors and contrast when shooting in low light.
"Binning pixels like this increases their effective size, allowing them to gather more light and detail. So the ISOCELL HP2 can bin every four pixels to effectively make them 1.2μm in size and produce 50-megapixel images, or bin 16 for even larger 2.4μm pixels and 12.5-megapixel images."
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If by 12MP you mean 3:4 absolutely. Didn't change anything.
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If by 12MP you mean 3:4 absolutely. Didn't change anything.
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I don't have my phone yet but there is a setting somewhere that you can choose between 200 MP, 50 MP or 12 MP in settings.
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Done. No dice. The camera still lets in less light on the S23U. In the settings I noticed that Camera assistant is missing. Must be a One UI 5.1 thing. Do you also have the S22 and S23 Ultra? Is that the reason for your suggestions? Are you seeing different results?
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Try shooting raws, at least 3 f/stops more exposure and WB correction. Downside is the post processing effort/time required.
The issue may simply be the firmware instruction set. Samsung is notorious for dialing things in after the release. I'm still happily running N10+'s on Pie and Q. I demand a dual drive capable device. I'm not pleased at all by the newer Android versions from Gookill either.
The dead zone between pixels on such a small sensor with such a huge pixel count is concerning as is the individual pixel microlense quality. Even 20mp is pushing it. Canon full frame sensors are maxed out at about 26mp.
Regardless of the camera learning it's capabilities, limitations and shooting effectively within those boundaries is what grabs keepers.
I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have it.
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Is it the camera or the display?
Check/compare images on a properly color calibrated monitor... yeah, it's a can of worms.
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I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have
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I'll try tomorrow
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I'll try tomorrow
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In low light hold the phone as still as possible.
Use a nearby fixed object to brace it or yourself on when possible.
Using the spen as a remote shutter release will help too.
mrnovanova said:
I'll try tomorrow! This app is so wonky for me. I'll try tomorrow and post the pics.
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In low light hold the phone as still as possible.
Use a nearby fixed object to brace it or yourself on when possible.
Using the spen as a remote shutter release will help too.
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I got a Benro Tripod with a Phone attachment mounted on top. Gonna try that when I get the Ultra Monday doing some dark photos and using the pen as remote shutter release. Will also do same with the S22U before sending it back to Samsung.
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I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have it.
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Okay I think this worked. I'll let you guess which is which.
Edit: @blackhawk was spot on. They were both from the S22u. I have such a hard time with the app. I re-uploaded the correct pics. Left S23u Right S22u.
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I got a Benro Tripod with a Phone attachment mounted on top. Gonna try that when I get the Ultra Monday doing some dark photos and using the pen as remote shutter release. Will also do same with the S22U before sending it back to Samsung.
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I loathe tripods. Learned to improvise and shoot in low light with my Canon Pro cam 15 years ago.
I'll use anything at any height or angle I can reach as a brace; with practice you can land one of a kind keepers no tripod can grab.
Smart phones are poor shooting platforms; light weight so there's little stabilizing inertia and lousy handholds. Poor shutter release and controls. However they lend themselves to bracing well enough. In a case you don't have to worry much about what you brace it on...
The traditional elbows in, wide staggered foot stance, hold your breath works too. Shooting technique counts...
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Okay I think this worked. I'll let you guess which is which.
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Poor example; different shooting heights skews the results. The AF lock on point is also different so the bottle's print is out of focus in the one shot. Light metering and colors look near identical in both.
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I loathe tripods. Learned to improvise and shoot in low light with my Canon Pro cam 15 years ago.
I'll use anything at any height or angle I can reach as a brace; with practice you can land one of a kind keepers no tripod can grab.
Smart phones are poor shooting platforms; light weight so there's little stabilizing inertia and lousy handholds. Poor shutter release and controls. However they lend themselves to bracing well enough. In a case you don't have to worry much about what you brace it on...
The traditional elbows in, wide staggered foot stance, hold your breath works too. Shooting technique counts...
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That might work for Photos but not very well for videos especially when you are zooming in 20x. Here's is an example where I have S22U on a tripod and zoom in on a waterfall from across the canyon and pan up and down. No way you gonna do it that smoothly holding it in your hands even braced. So for videos I love the tripod. It's the very lightest one they make and perfect for cell phones or light cameras. Change YouTube resolution to 1080p for best viewing.
When I am in the selfie camera and i open the gallery preview on the bottom left or close the camera app i hear this click sound coming from the front facing selfie camera. Also when i look super closely after switching or closing the app, i can see the selfie camera move backwards kinda.
Im aware of the rear cameras having OIS so it moves around and makes some sound but this seems to be coming from the front facing camera. I never switched to the back cameras so they never activated.
Can you guys with the 23 ultra test this and see if you have it too, im not sure if its normal behavior.
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When I am in the selfie camera and i open the gallery preview on the bottom left or close the camera app i hear this click sound coming from the front facing selfie camera. Also when i look super closely after switching or closing the app, i can see the selfie camera move backwards kinda.
Im aware of the rear cameras having OIS so it moves around and makes some sound but this seems to be coming from the front facing camera. I never switched to the back cameras so they never activated.
Can you guys with the 23 ultra test this and see if you have it too, im not sure if its normal behavior.
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The Front Facing Camera have auto focus so there is a lens that moves forward and backward , and may be thy added OIS secretly like apple did with IP14PM
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The main Camera have auto focus so there is a lens that moves forward and backward , and may be thy added OIS secretly like apple did with IP14PM
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Of course the camera has OIS... It's a flagship. It would be basically criminal for it NOT to have optical image stabilization. Also, the iPhone Pro Max series has had OIS since at least the 12 Pro Max (in fact Apple claimed it had dual optical image stabilization, meaning the telephoto had it as well). Not having OIS means blurry images in anything less than the utmost stable of hands when taking a photo and it's why I hated my OnePlus 9 and wished I bought the 9 Pro even though I didn't want the curved screen. Were you thinking of some other feature?
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Of course the camera has OIS... It's a flagship. It would be basically criminal for it NOT to have optical image stabilization. Also, the iPhone Pro Max series has had OIS since at least the 12 Pro Max (in fact Apple claimed it had dual optical image stabilization, meaning the telephoto had it as well). Not having OIS means blurry images in anything less than the utmost stable of hands when taking a photo and it's why I hated my OnePlus 9 and wished I bought the 9 Pro even though I didn't want the curved screen. Were you thinking of some other feature?
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I mean front facing camera sorry