How do you guys charge your phone? Overnight? Until 100 or using charging cycle of 30 80 rule or such? I'm curious
I just plug in at end of day when going to bed regardless of battery and unplug in morning at 100%
zolaisugly said:
I just plug in at end of day when going to bed regardless of battery and unplug in morning at 100%
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Same here
zolaisugly said:
I just plug in at end of day when going to bed regardless of battery and unplug in morning at 100%
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So basically charging it overnight?
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So basically charging it overnight?
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Yes
Keep my charges between 30% and 90%. But then again, Huawei official service center can reply the battery for around 19SGD. So that is very cheap even if your battery were to deteriorate very fast.
Charge it overnight regardless
I charge mine only in the morning while I get ready for the day. It rarely reaches 100 or below 25%
I keep mine charged between 40% and 80%. Charging your battery overnight hasn't been a recommended practice for at least 5 years. Multiple Pixel owners also found out the hard way that it voided the warranties on their phones when any damage resulted because Google considers the practice abuse of the device.
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There also is no possible legitimate reason to charge your phone overnight given the various types of quick charging technology used on even many lower end phones. You're just ruining your battery and possibly damaging your phone for no reason other than because that's what people did when the Galaxy 3 was state of the art.
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I keep mine charged between 40% and 80%. Charging your battery overnight hasn't been a recommended practice for at least 5 years. Multiple Pixel owners also found out the hard way that it voided the warranties on their phones when any damage resulted because Google considers the practice abuse of the device.
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There also is no possible legitimate reason to charge your phone overnight given the various types of quick charging technology used on even many lower end phones. You're just ruining your battery and possibly damaging your phone for no reason other than because that's what people did when the Galaxy 3 was state of the art.
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Well said! I always keep my battery between 90% and 30%. Once a month I will let it drop to single digit percentage and then SLOW charge it up all the way to 95%.
Koong1 said:
Well said! I always keep my battery between 90% and 30%. Once a month I will let it drop to single digit percentage and then SLOW charge it up all the way to 95%.
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I'm just shocked this is even still a discussion. I purchased the Nexus 6P when it launched and there were multiple apps in the Play Store to help keep your battery betweer a chosen range back then.
Many people who charged that phone overnight had to replace their battery after a year. After 4 years Better Battery Stats reported my Nexus 6P battery health at 90%.
Since these phones technically have non-replacable batteries making the battery last is basic common sense to me.
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I'm just shocked this is even still a discussion. I purchased the Nexus 6P when it launched and there were multiple apps in the Play Store to help keep your battery betweer a chosen range back then.
Many people who charged that phone overnight had to replace their battery after a year. After 4 years Better Battery Stats reported my Nexus 6P battery health at 90%.
Since these phones technically have non-replacable batteries making the battery last is basic common sense to me.
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Not true, Mate 9 I had for 2 years was charged overnight always, I still managed a Sot of 7+ hours after 2 years or easy day n half of normal usage, there was no battery degradation whatsoever.
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Not true, Mate 9 I had for 2 years was charged overnight always, I still managed a Sot of 7+ hours after 2 years or easy day n half of normal usage, there was no battery degradation whatsoever.
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I agree, and had the same results with all my phones always slowly charged overnight.
IMHO slowly charging overnight is by far better than any quick charging that heats more the battery and eventually shortens its lifespan.
I never charge over night and i'm never charging to 100% (at least not intentionally ).
I'm also avoiding to use the 40W Charger but the first Gen. Supercharger (5V 4,5A) instead.
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I keep mine charged between 40% and 80%. Charging your battery overnight hasn't been a recommended practice for at least 5 years. Multiple Pixel owners also found out the hard way that it voided the warranties on their phones when any damage resulted because Google considers the practice abuse of the device.
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There also is no possible legitimate reason to charge your phone overnight given the various types of quick charging technology used on even many lower end phones. You're just ruining your battery and possibly damaging your phone for no reason other than because that's what people did when the Galaxy 3 was state of the art.
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I've done it with every phone I've had since smart phones stared. And never had issues. Maybe had to replace one when the battery door used to come off. But I had 3-4 to swap in and out back then.
Phones now stop charging at full and don't damage stuff. I also had the pixel XL and 2 XL.
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Hi everyone!
I'm getting my prime and dock delivered today, and I can't wait!
(32gb gray, tiger direct, pre-ordered 11/25)
I have a question on the charging it 8 hours rule before using it for the first time.
I'm okay doing it, if that's what manufacturers say will prolong battery life.
(Anyone didnt do this?)
So I've read the only way to charge the dock is to attach the two together and charge it as one unit.
If that's the case, do I charge both for 8 hours, or does it have to be longer because its combined?
Thanks in advanced!
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Hi everyone!
I'm getting my prime and dock delivered today, and I can't wait!
(32gb gray, tiger direct, pre-ordered 11/25)
I have a question on the charging it 8 hours rule before using it for the first time.
I'm okay doing it, if that's what manufacturers say will prolong battery life.
(Anyone didnt do this?)
So I've read the only way to charge the dock is to attach the two together and charge it as one unit.
If that's the case, do I charge both for 8 hours, or does it have to be longer because its combined?
Thanks in advanced!
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I think you should fully charge your battery.
When I got mine I didnt charge it fully and had terrible battery life, after maybe 10 charge-discharge cycles I'm having much better battery life.
Concerning the 8 hour initial charge: I didn't do it. I charged it until it was at 100%, applied the updates and after they were successful i unplugged my prime. If it says its full it is full. Thats how i see it. I'm not a battery tech or anything but to me it seems strange that it would make the battery way worse if i didn't charge it for 8 hours. As far as i can tell right now (had my third charge last night) the battery is fine and i get the expected runtime. Mine made it two days without recharging (with about 3-4 hours of hd video playback each day).
Btw: In my (german) manual it says that i should always charge the prime 8 hours or more but why should i if it is full after 3-4 hours? If this makes my battery die in 3 instead of 3.5 years screw it.
I always, always break in my batteries for any devices and I've always done it the same way. I have never ever had a single bad experience with shortened battery life span or the battery not being able to hold it's max capacity charge.
Here's what I do:
1) Upon unboxing, I completely drain the battery by using the tablet. This is the best time for you to set it up, re-download the apps (restore from Titanium Backup if you've got root), play with it a little bit, etc.
2) Charge it overnight or around 8-10 hours. Even if it says full, leave it plugged.
3) Completely drain the battery again just like in step 1.
4) Repeat steps 2 and 3 again (2nd cycle).
5) Repeat steps 2 and 3 once more (3rd cycle --the last one).
You're done! Now you can charge your Prime whether it's still 90% or 5%. At this point, try not to forget your Prime plugged in after it says full. Once it says full, unplug it. You can always clear battery stats using recovery (once/if you've rooted) or use those battery apps that can calibrate your battery. Also a note to those who will use custom roms and/or kernels, you might have to do 2 cycles of full charge-discharge, preferably after wiping battery stats, so that your battery can readjust to your new rom/kernel combination.
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Concerning the 8 hour initial charge: I didn't do it. I charged it until it was at 100%, applied the updates and after they were successful i unplugged my prime. If it says its full it is full. Thats how i see it. I'm not a battery tech or anything but to me it seems strange that it would make the battery way worse if i didn't charge it for 8 hours. As far as i can tell right now (had my third charge last night) the battery is fine and i get the expected runtime. Mine made it two days without recharging (with about 3-4 hours of hd video playback each day).
Btw: In my (german) manual it says that i should always charge the prime 8 hours or more but why should i if it is full after 3-4 hours? If this makes my battery die in 3 instead of 3.5 years screw it.
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Your battery can only reach it's full capacity (read: x hours of use for y number of years) if you break it in properly and treat it right. It's not true for all types of batteries but I think it applies to Lithium Ions (Li-Ions), Lithium Polymers (Li-Po) as well as NiCads(?) and maybe other older batteries. You can read about it everywhere if you Google.
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Btw: In my (german) manual it says that i should always charge the prime 8 hours or more but why should i if it is full after 3-4 hours? If this makes my battery die in 3 instead of 3.5 years screw it.
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My English manual only says to do the 8 hour charge when new and any time after the battery has been fully discharged... which isn't the same as always.
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I always, always break in my batteries for any devices and I've always done it the same way. I have never ever had a single bad experience with shortened battery life span or the battery not being able to hold it's max capacity charge.
Here's what I do:
1) Upon unboxing, I completely drain the battery by using the tablet. This is the best time for you to set it up, re-download the apps (restore from Titanium Backup if you've got root), play with it a little bit, etc.
2) Charge it overnight or around 8-10 hours. Even if it says full, leave it plugged.
3) Completely drain the battery again just like in step 1.
4) Repeat steps 2 and 3 again (2nd cycle).
5) Repeat steps 2 and 3 once more (3rd cycle --the last one).
You're done! Now you can charge your Prime whether it's still 90% or 5%. At this point, try not to forget your Prime plugged in after it says full. Once it says full, unplug it. You can always clear battery stats using recovery (once/if you've rooted) or use those battery apps that can calibrate your battery. Also a note to those who will use custom roms and/or kernels, you might have to do 2 cycles of full charge-discharge, preferably after wiping battery stats, so that your battery can readjust to your new rom/kernel combination.
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Your battery can only reach it's full capacity (read: x hours of use for y number of years) if you break it in properly and treat it right. It's not true for all types of batteries but I think it applies to Lithium Ions (Li-Ions), Lithium Polymers (Li-Po) as well as NiCads(?) and maybe other older batteries. You can read about it everywhere if you Google.
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I will definatly be doing this. Thanks for the advice, get mine on the 12th so ill leave it to charge while at work!
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My English manual only says to do the 8 hour charge when new and any time after the battery has been fully discharged... which isn't the same as always.
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That's interesting. Mine just says when the battery is "leer" (empty) it has to be recharged 8 hours. Looks like the true meaning has been lost in translation.
Good day people, I have a dumb question and no need to be polite I know its dumb lol I just got an evo lte and I love it so far. But I did some reading up on training batteries and I'm aware that you can't necessarily train a lithium ion battery but I know there things that you can do help the battery last longer etc.
The first day I did my normal routine, drain it all the way charge it all the way. It took a long time for the battery to die which seemed like it was a good thing. I did that twice and I noticed that after a full charge the battery drops to 97% fairly quickly (like withinless than a min or 2) and from the few days I've had it it seems like it may not hold the charge well over time . I wouldn't normally be concerned about this however this is the first phone I've owned without a removable battery, I don't want to regret it 6 months from now because the phone only lasts 5 hours.
So my question is this I am still within the buyers remorse period should I just exchange it for another onevor am I just being too paranoid? Secondly how do you all train your batteries when you first get the phone? What works for you all who own this phone?
Thanks in advance.
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Good day people, I have a dumb question and no need to be polite I know its dumb lol I just got an evo lte and I love it so far. But I did some reading up on training batteries and I'm aware that you can't necessarily train a lithium ion battery but I know there things that you can do help the battery last longer etc.
The first day I did my normal routine, drain it all the way charge it all the way. It took a long time for the battery to die which seemed like it was a good thing. I did that twice and I noticed that after a full charge the battery drops to 97% fairly quickly (like withinless than a min or 2) and from the few days I've had it it seems like it may not hold the charge well over time . I wouldn't normally be concerned about this however this is the first phone I've owned without a removable battery, I don't want to regret it 6 months from now because the phone only lasts 5 hours.
So my question is this I am still within the buyers remorse period should I just exchange it for another onevor am I just being too paranoid? Secondly how do you all train your batteries when you first get the phone? What works for you all who own this phone?
Thanks in advance.
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First off, congrats on your choice. This phone has a Li-Ion Polymer battery, which is different from the Li-Ion batteries of yore. I am stock rooted and with medium to heavy use I get a day<12+ hours> out of a full charge with no batt training. I have not experienced the rapid discharge you speak of and if you have no apps causing it, you may need to swap it.
I also get a pretty rapid discharge from 100%->98% - takes about 5 minutes to drop that 2 percent. But after that, I am clear sailing for ~15 hours.
Oh so the rapid discharge thing isn't uncommon then? Hmm
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Oh so the rapid discharge thing isn't uncommon then? Hmm
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I don't know if it's the same as the og evo and the 3d but when it hit 100% try unplugging it then plug it back in for a few. That may give you the true full charge and stop the quick 2% drop
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Yea I'm kind of torn on exchanging it. I may just do it. Of course it would be my luck to get a phone with issues if I did.
That's normal. If this is like the OG Evo (and it probably is), the phone will charge to 100%, then let the battery discharge to 95% before charging back to 100% again. This is primarily to protect the battery and prolong its life. So while the phone may claim to be at 100%, it could be as low as 95% when you unplug from the charger. The rapid discharge you're experiencing is really just the phone adjusting to the actual battery level.
Also, there's no need to "train" the battery. I seem to recall that it's generally not healthy to discharge a Li-Po battery to 0%, and can shorten the life of the battery.
The battery percentage drop you guys are seeing is perfectly normal. No need to exchange your phone. As soon as the kernel source is released by HTC, then the great devs here will be able to bless our phones with some SBC goodness and you will not have that problem anymore
You guys don't think I did any noticeable damage by fully discharching it twice do you? I'm going to charge it and see what happens I don't have any immediate thoughts of exchanging it based off of what you guys are saying. I'm going to charge it up and post results. If its not like what you guys are getting life wise I may exchange it as I still have like 5 days left.
Minor update 7 hours 27 minutes 52% left.
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You guys don't think I did any noticeable damage by fully discharching it twice do you? I'm going to charge it and see what happens I don't have any immediate thoughts of exchanging it based off of what you guys are saying. I'm going to charge it up and post results. If its not like what you guys are getting life wise I may exchange it as I still have like 5 days left.
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No, it's fine.
Fully discharging it just reduces the number of cycles left you have. Most li-ion batteries have 1000 charge cycles. Battery charge is not an exact science. Do not look at it like you are not getting the full charge.
So at the end of the day it looks like roughly 8 to 9 hours of moderate to heavy use on my phone moderate for the first 7 hours heavy for the last 2 and some change. Does that sound about right?
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Minor update 7 hours 27 minutes 52% left.
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I get around 15 or 20 hrs also cm9 I get 24+
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I have this doubt since purchasing the Xperia Z!
As soon buy my Xperia Z2 and the store where I will buy it is difficult to leave the charging device 30 minutes before turning it on to test it!
As difficult as it was I let mine charge for an hour or so before I used it. Not sure if I needed to but was in work at the time so had a few things to keep me busy while charging
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My phone had 62% battery when I recieved it. Probably my contractor that installed some apps and charged it. I didn't charge it untill it was empty.
I wonder what is the need to leave charging for 30 minutes before turning on the device for the first time since the other brands of devices do not need it!
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I wonder what is the need to leave charging for 30 minutes before turning on the device for the first time since the other brands of devices do not need it!
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Mine also came with 60% battery when I got it, I think its normal to keep a charge in the battery because it helps battery life.
I let mine drain right down that first day then I charged to 100% overnight.
I currently get to end of day with around 50-60% left
You should always charge them to full before first use. The charge that's in there is only a manufacturing charge, which is enough to keep the cells active.
Also, you shouldn't drain it completely. Lithium works best from around 30%-80% charge.
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You should always charge them to full before first use. The charge that's in there is only a manufacturing charge, which is enough to keep the cells active.
Also, you shouldn't drain it completely. Lithium works best from around 30%-80% charge.
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What I find strange is why other brands of devices do not have this rule??
Li-ion batteries don't need to be fully charged before first use. They don't suffer from "memory" like Ni-Cd. But it is true that for best life you should charge it between 20/30%- 80%. If you plan on storing the phone without use for a long time, best is to charge it to 50-60% (not 100%) and put it away.
Go use and enjoy your phones!
PS: A few laptop manufacturers (like Samsung) have an "extended battery life" mode that you can enable where the battery stops charging at 80%.
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What I find strange is why other brands of devices do not have this rule??
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Not all devices may say it, but all should be charged before initial use.
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Li-ion batteries don't need to be fully charged before first use. They don't suffer from "memory" like Ni-Cd. But it is true that for best life you should charge it between 20/30%- 80%. If you plan on storing the phone without use for a long time, best is to charge it to 50-60% (not 100%) and put it away.
Go use and enjoy your phones!
PS: A few laptop manufacturers (like Samsung) have an "extended battery life" mode that you can enable where the battery stops charging at 80%.
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You're right, they don't have the memory effect, but they do need charging before use. But yea, storing with at least 2/3rd charge is best.
BTW I sell batteries for a living, have done for 15 years.
Ok so is the correct answer yes, charge for 30mins or not necessary? Seems both sides of argument has support
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Ok so is the correct answer yes, charge for 30mins or not necessary? Seems both sides of argument has support
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As an electrical engineer I have to say: You should charge it before first use. 30 mins charge should be fine.
Well, it might be not so obvious for the battery in Z2, as it was manufactured not a long time ago, but it could end up in battery degradation, if the battery has been stored for a long period of time without usage.
Ok so with the Z2's being manufactured within the last month it probably isn't needed then
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Ok so with the Z2's being manufactured within the last month it probably isn't needed then
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Well, it's hard to say. Precharging the phone won't hurt.
I charged my first z2 for half an hour, and my second one was up and getting flashed within ten mins. I actually found the second one to be better on battery. I do agree that if the phone has been sat dormant for a long while you should charge, but as these things have literally just been made it'll make zero difference.
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Your charger is a portable battery pack. Don't know if anybody knew this but if you low on battery and your battery charger has been plugged in. You can attach it to the back of your watch and charger your watch on the go it does not have to be plugged in to charger your watch. Awesome I think if you on the move
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Yeah, we already knew that. And it can only provide up to 50% of charge.
Don't lose it. lol
Definitely didn't know that. Thanks for the info.
They are available on Samsung's website. May want to consider getting a backup just in case.
Why does it only charge up to 50%???
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Why does it only charge up to 50%???
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I think the battery in that pack is only large enough to do just that.
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I think the battery in that pack is only large enough to do just that.
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The battery pack says 300, the watch is 300 but oh well its better than nothing
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The battery pack says 300, the watch is 300 but oh well its better than nothing
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It's actually a 350mAh battery in the charger.
I haven't tested it charging the S sans wall charging yet as I just picked mine up today. I'd imagine it would get close to a full charge...but that would probably be while the device is off...or all connections are off (BT, WIFI, Mobile data).
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Yeah, we already knew that. And it can only provide up to 50% of charge.
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Confused...mine will charge my Gear S to nearly full from empty. I've used it overnight before to test it out and it works great.
Because the battery pack sucks as a standalone charger. I charged mine to 100% (blue light) and by the end of my shift when I use it, it already has lost about 50% of the charge just sitting in my pocket. I thought I was bugging at first so one day I took it off the charger and let it sit on my bed to see if when I get home it needs a charge.. Plugged it in when I got home and the red light came on and it took like an hour to charge back to blue so it definitely don't hold charges well.
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Confused...mine will charge my Gear S to nearly full from empty. I've used it overnight before to test it out and it works great.
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Try doing that when it's just been sitting around for hours without a charge. Bet you'll only get like 40-50%
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I suspect either of the 2, or both:
1. Since the battery pack contacts are exposed spring pins, when it's in your pocket it could touch some conductive stuff and start discharging. Like coins, keys, some textiles with metal studs or thread etc.
2. Lithium batteries have some kind of power proportion that determines its current discharge. That's why single 3.7V 18650s usually only give up to 1A current, whereas for higher currents you need multiple batteries with larger total mAh. At 300mAh, I'm sure it will only be able to provide a low current, and probably this affects the efficiency.
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I suspect either of the 2, or both:
1. Since the battery pack contacts are exposed spring pins, when it's in your pocket it could touch some conductive stuff and start discharging. Like coins, keys, some textiles with metal studs or thread etc.
2. Lithium batteries have some kind of power proportion that determines its current discharge. That's why single 3.7V 18650s usually only give up to 1A current, whereas for higher currents you need multiple batteries with larger total mAh. At 300mAh, I'm sure it will only be able to provide a low current, and probably this affects the efficiency.
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Number 1 is kind of nulled for the fact that my test took place leaving it on my bed and not my pocket. Lost half of its juice by the time I got home. I could charge any of my lithium batteries to 100% and leave it off all day and when I power my phone or laptop hours later my battery would be at 100 or sometimes 99%. This pack does not hold it's charge well. I was honestly going to call Samsung about it but after reading this thread I see it seems to be the normal so why waste my time.
Ps. The pocket I keep it in the only other thing besides it is my blistex which I doubt will conduct.
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Because the battery pack sucks as a standalone charger. I charged mine to 100% (blue light) and by the end of my shift when I use it, it already has lost about 50% of the charge just sitting in my pocket. I thought I was bugging at first so one day I took it off the charger and let it sit on my bed to see if when I get home it needs a charge.. Plugged it in when I got home and the red light came on and it took like an hour to charge back to blue so it definitely don't hold charges well.
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Try doing that when it's just been sitting around for hours without a charge. Bet you'll only get like 40-50%
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I have tried that. Again, I take it with me on overnight travels all the time. It's charged 100% when I leave and sits in my bag 24-36 hrs before I then slap it on to charge my Gear S. Works fine and charges the device to 100% I've gone on 4 several day trips with my gear s and charger since owning it.
In fact it's still charging my gear tonight as it wore down early due to heavy GPS and phone use. the battery ack was off it's charger for 14hrs and will have my gear at 100% for me in the morning.
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I have tried that. Again, I take it with me on overnight travels all the time. It's charged 100% when I leave and sits in my bag 24-36 hrs before I then slap it on to charge my Gear S. Works fine and charges the device to 100% I've gone on 4 several day trips with my gear s and charger since owning it.
In fact it's still charging my gear tonight as it wore down early due to heavy GPS and phone use. the battery ack was off it's charger for 14hrs and will have my gear at 100% for me in the morning.
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Guess it's time for me to call Samsung then
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I keep reading that you should try and just charge your phone to 80% to help keep the battery healthy, as going to 100% can shotren the life span of the battery.
How ciritcal is this?
I know letting your phone run down to 0% is bad as it takes a fully clylce then to get back too 100% and this is not good for the battery long ter, but i must confess i usually let my battery get to around 50/60% ish then charge back up to 100%
I've always charged my phones fully and never noticed any issues. Maybe if you plan on keeping a device for 10 years, but for the usual lifetime of a phone it's just fine. My OP7 is 2 and a half years old now and still has 86% battery health. I've seen others in Telegram groups say that they never charge to 100% and when they post their battery health it's not much different from mine, sometimes even less.
I think modern batteries are fine being fully charged ... otherwise the OEMs or battery manufacturers would limit them to 80 or 90% by default.
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I've always charged my phones fully and never noticed any issues. Maybe if you plan on keeping a device for 10 years, but for the usual lifetime of a phone it's just fine. My OP7 is 2 and a half years old now and still has 86% battery health. I've seen others in Telegram groups say that they never charge to 100% and when they post their battery health it's not much different from mine, sometimes even less.
I think modern batteries are fine being fully charged ... otherwise the OEMs or battery manufacturers would limit them to 80 or 90% by default.
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I guess I have some buffer
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I guess I have some buffer
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Hehe yea, I guess they all show 102% then because I have that as well
I like the adaptive charging, set up your bedtime and alarm for getting up (or turning over) After bedtime, phone gets trickle charged to achieve 100% at morning alarm. No excess heat etc. Phone then lasts me all day till bedtime when put on airplane mode, switch off Wi-Fi, & sleep. Works for me.
I'm showing 106%
I always charge to full, using adapting charging over night. Charging slowly and keeping temperature down is more important than keeping it to 80% from my understanding.
I just lay my phone on a slow charge Qi pad every night and when I get up it is at 100%. Nexus 6, Pixel 3, now Pixel 6. Perhaps my battery life went down a bit on my Pixel 3 after 3 years, but not enough to notice. I think 100% charge (at least slow charging) is safe for 3 to 5 years of battery life.
Li's like frequent midrange power cycling; it can extend the lifespan hundreds even thousands more full charge cycles.
Voltage and temperature are the Li's biggest stress factors. Low or high temperature charging can cause Li plating.
The higher the cell voltage, the faster it degrades.
The same is true with temperature.
Personally I just replace them every year or so as a failed Li can severely damage a phone. They tend to swell during a failure which can easily damage the display.
My Samsung S10+ is 27 months old now. I'm charging it to 80% mainly daily. Had maybe max 20 full charges and only once or twice to zero. I'm at 86% battery health (according to 146 sessions). Was 92% six months after buying brand new.
I think it helps. Also since the battery is OK (4100mah), dont need that extra 20%.
EDIT: 15W Samsung "fast" charging. As fast as that is ...
Zakelinho said:
My Samsung S10+ is 27 months old now. I'm charging it to 80% mainly daily. Had maybe max 20 full charges and only once or twice to zero. I'm at 86% battery health (according to 146 sessions). Was 92% six months after buying brand new.
I think it helps. Also since the battery is OK (4100mah), dont need that extra 20%.
EDIT: 15W Samsung "fast" charging. As fast as that is ...
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A Li is considered degraded when it reaches 80% of it's initial capacity. This signals the end of its useful service life.
Degraded Li's are more likely to fail.
Trust me it's better to replace it before it fails...
I think Better Battery Stats made that reco back in the day.
Charge to 80% and plug in at 10%.
Not so sure that really matters anymore though.
Both my 2 XL and Pixel 5 were plugged in before bed, unplugged when I got up, plugged back in when I hit 10-15% or when I went to bed.
If you plan on keeping your device for a long time (like 3-4 years) doing the unplug at 80% and plug in at 10% might make a diff.
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I think Better Battery Stats made that reco back in the day.
Charge to 80% and plug in at 10%.
Not so sure that really matters anymore though.
Both my 2 XL and Pixel 5 were plugged in before bed, unplugged when I got up, plugged back in when I hit 10-15% or when I went to bed.
If you plan on keeping your device for a long time (like 3-4 years) doing the unplug at 80% and plug in at 10% might make a diff.
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10% is too low. It causes a lot of stress on the battery as it drops below 20% to charge from that starting point or lower.
Worse there's little usable energy after 20% because of the lower voltage. The phone uses the same wattage which is determined by V×A=W, so as the voltage drops it needs more milliamperes to make the same wattage. The discharge rate increases as the cell voltage drops.
A better low cut off is 30-40% or even higher and a high cutoff of 80% although 62% is optimum.
The Li likes frequent midrange power cycling. Charging beyond those parameters is for your convenience at the cost of battery lifespan.
Batteries are cheap and most are easy to replace... so I don't sweat it.
I expect a service life of 1-2 years on a heavily used N10+ battery.
However charging in the 40-72% range yields the most rapid fast charge in the shortest time so it makes sense to use this whenever convenient.
Well, I know things have been updated within Googles code itself.
"Adaptive Charging" / "Adatptive Connectivity" additions.
This was a real big problem for me with my HTC 10, (2016)
Battery degradation threads starting popping up.
I installed Accubattery after 1.5/2 years of owning the device and the battery was degraded to about 77% capacity at that time, IIRC. I was charging to 100% at that time, also.
So, I began charging stricly to 80%.
Compared to my HTC One M8 that to this day still has 90% capacity, and I used that device from the day Verizon released (3/2014) it until the day Verizon released the HTC 10 (5/2016).
I somehow managed to use the HTC 10 up until I bought the Pixel 5 on release day (10/2020).
I was charging the HTC 10 like 3 times a day just get through, and even went back to the HTC One M8 at one point because I had enough, but was waiting for the P5 to drop.
So to answer the question, I do believe it helps.
I do think that Adaptive charging/connectivity help, as well.
I take the view that if I don't need all the capacity on a particular day I charge no higher than 70%, which lands me around 30% end of day. Otherwise I'll guestimate what I need. Off to take some photo's tonight, so will probably charge it to 90% or so.
If you like fiddling around you can use something like Tasker to switch a smart plug that your charger's plugged into on and off at what you consider appropriate battery levels. Makes it all painless once set up. Or you can buy some extra hardware too. I use this in my car to limit the phone's max charge and temperature as, for me, I think most and fastest damage is done in a hot car float charging the phone at 100%.... https://chargie.org/ Not cheap but ok in my mind to hopefully extend the service life of the phone's battery. Less than the cost and hassle of replacing a battery anyway! (I'm not associated with Chargie other than as a customer)
OK, admittedly off-topic, but, this kind of sounds like a variation of the guidance I use for charging my electric car. Don't charge it unless it drops below 80% (so don't keep topping it up), but don't let it go below 20% regularly either. I mostly plug it in at around 60% and let it fully charge. Given the cost of a replacement battery would be more than the total value of the car, I hope this gives me 10 year of life.
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OK, admittedly off-topic, but, this kind of sounds like a variation of the guidance I use for charging my electric car. Don't charge it unless it drops below 80% (so don't keep topping it up), but don't let it go below 20% regularly either. I mostly plug it in at around 60% and let it fully charge. Given the cost of a replacement battery would be more than the total value of the car, I hope this gives me 10 year of life.
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EV metering is set up differently. What shows as 100% is likely a conservative 80% charge. Research for that variant.
A 35-40% low cut off is probably better as going lower generates more heat causing needless stress... unless you need that capacity.
Just downloaded the accubattery app and then fully charged but it’s estimating 6,401mah. Must be wrong and needs to calibrate over a few days.
I’ve never had any problems charging to 100% before so I’m not stopping now. I’ll be deleting this app if it keeps warning me like it has done.
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Just downloaded the accubattery app and then fully charged but it’s estimating 6,401mah. Must be wrong and needs to calibrate over a few days.
I’ve never had any problems charging to 100% before so I’m not stopping now. I’ll be deleting this app if it keeps warning me like it has done.
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Turn it off then.
Andyzurbs said:
Just downloaded the accubattery app and then fully charged but it’s estimating 6,401mah. Must be wrong and needs to calibrate over a few days.
I’ve never had any problems charging to 100% before so I’m not stopping now. I’ll be deleting this app if it keeps warning me like it has done.
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Accubattery just provides a guide. See here:
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Hello, I'm using a pixel 6 with two cards sim. When I go to sleep the phone is fully charged and internet/wifi is turned off. When i wake up i have 88% battery (I lose 1,5% per hour). In battery use i see Ims Service. I did a test and in...
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I used to cycle from full to empty on my Pixel 2 before recharging, at about 3 years the battery couldnt last until lunch anymore. This meant more cycling, and I could fully discharge/recharge it 3 or 4 times a day. Within 6 months the battery only lasted 5 minutes, it was stuffed. Phone always hot and needed to stay on a charger 24/7, would turn off if I opened the camera without usb power connected.
Held out about 6 months on a permanent usb battery bank, was such a slog to wait until the Pixel 6 was released.