As the title of this thread says, the TOF sensor that Huawei told us is there for depth sensing especially in portrait photos is basically useless. Before getting this phone, I was wondering how can the P30 get almost identical edge detection to the ones on the P30 Pro, and also kept thinking about the fact that they were already great even in the Mate 20 Pro. I thought that well, when I get the phone, I'll test it myself and see if it has any real affect on portrait shots, and it doesn't. I took dozens of portrait pictures and portrait videos while covering the tof sensor with a bandaid, and recreated these same pictures without the bandaid, and the results were identical!!
Any P30 Pro owner, feel free to test it out, and you'll also come to the same conclusion that I got, which is that our P30 Pro's tof sensor is there for marketing purposes, and that it adds nothing to the table.
This doesn't affect the way I'll use my phone, as I am loving it, but it will definitely change the way I look at a company that is trying to deceive it's costumers.
For those who are interested in buying this device, send me your questions, and I will do my best to answer them.
I thought it wasn't implimented yet?
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I thought it wasn't implimented yet?
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I am interested to know where you read about that? I have seen dozens of reviews about it, and they all swear about how good the tof sensor is in separating people from the background.
What they have talked about, is that Huawei will work with app developers to make use of the tof sensor in future apps that measures height and stuff like that.
So basically you are saying that Huawei and all of the reviewers and all of the pictures and comparisons that are all over YouTube showing that the P30 Pro has great portrait mode are wrong? It's a scam and the pics are not actually better than the other phones? I don't care because frankly I've never taken one of those pics anyway as I prefer a realistic regular pic of a person or object, but I find it hard to believe it doesn't work when I've seen all the side by side comparisons and it seems to work quite well.
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So basically you are saying that Huawei and all of the reviewers and all of the pictures and comparisons that are all over YouTube showing that the P30 Pro has great portrait mode are wrong? It's a scam and the pics are not actually better than the other phones? I don't care because frankly I've never taken one of those pics anyway as I prefer a realistic regular pic of a person or object, but I find it hard to believe it doesn't work when I've seen all the side by side comparisons and it seems to work quite well.
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I see that reading comprehension isn't your thing?
Where did you see me question the quality of the pictures posted by reviewers? All I said that while edge detection is great, the tof sensor has nothing to do with it, at least in my testing.
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I see that reading comprehension isn't your thing?
Where did you see me question the quality of the pictures posted by reviewers? All I said that while edge detection is great, the tof sensor has nothing to do with it, at least in my testing.
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I must have missed the point of your post, yes. If the device produces great results I guess it doesn't really matter how it does it. Thanks for the info.
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I must have missed the point of your post, yes. If the device produces great results I guess it doesn't really matter how it does it. Thanks for the info.
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No it does matter, because Huawei is selling this phone as the one with a quad camera setup, and spent a good time in their keynote discussing how the tof sensor works.
And while it delivers great portrait shots, it isn't always the case, edge detection becomes inconsistent when there is a direct light source behind you.
But even if it was flawless, the results doesn't matter, what matters is that Huawei's marketing team is deceiving us into believing that we need this time of flight sensor.
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As the title of this thread says, the TOF sensor that Huawei told us is there for depth sensing especially in portrait photos is basically useless. Before getting this phone, I was wondering how can the P30 get almost identical edge detection to the ones on the P30 Pro, and also kept thinking about the fact that they were already great even in the Mate 20 Pro. I thought that well, when I get the phone, I'll test it myself and see if it has any real affect on portrait shots, and it doesn't. I took dozens of portrait pictures and portrait videos while covering the tof sensor with a bandaid, and recreated these same pictures without the bandaid, and the results were identical!!
Any P30 Pro owner, feel free to test it out, and you'll also come to the same conclusion that I got, which is that our P30 Pro's tof sensor is there for marketing purposes, and that it adds nothing to the table.
This doesn't affect the way I'll use my phone, as I am loving it, but it will definitely change the way I look at a company that is trying to deceive it's costumers.
For those who are interested in buying this device, send me your questions, and I will do my best to answer them.
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No too smart comment....Just read around on net before say many BS...Pls tank you!
...and the short story: ToF not active yet.Wait for update.
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No too smart comment....Just read around on net before say many BS...Pls tank you!
...and the short story: ToF not active yet.Wait for update.
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Oh trust me, I did my fair share of searching before posting this. Now, how about you do us a favor and show me links where Huawei says that the tof isn't activated as of right now? You're definitely mistaking it for them saying that they will open it for developers to use it in their apps.
I am a no youtuber, not an apple, Samsung or huwaei fan... I have S10 plus and P30 pro. The camera on p30 pro is just a hype created by people who got free Paris trip. Trust me, i did side by side comparisons on both phones in order to decide which one to keep. Well, p30 pro is better than S10+ only during night time pictures. I don't say it is bad during daytime, but i would not call it as a camera phone as others are reviewing it as. Zoom is good till 5x. It does loose image quality on 10x slightly.
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No too smart comment....Just read around on net before say many BS...Pls tank you!
...and the short story: ToF not active yet.Wait for update.
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Huawei and others pays some good dollars for having their hardware tested and benchmarked by DXO.
One would though they would mentioned that the ToF ain't active, yet.
Can you send some links.
As today the P30 seems to use the same bokeh technique as the P30
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Maher.k22 said:
As the title of this thread says, the TOF sensor that Huawei told us is there for depth sensing especially in portrait photos is basically useless. Before getting this phone, I was wondering how can the P30 get almost identical edge detection to the ones on the P30 Pro, and also kept thinking about the fact that they were already great even in the Mate 20 Pro. I thought that well, when I get the phone, I'll test it myself and see if it has any real affect on portrait shots, and it doesn't. I took dozens of portrait pictures and portrait videos while covering the tof sensor with a bandaid, and recreated these same pictures without the bandaid, and the results were identical!!
Any P30 Pro owner, feel free to test it out, and you'll also come to the same conclusion that I got, which is that our P30 Pro's tof sensor is there for marketing purposes, and that it adds nothing to the table.
This doesn't affect the way I'll use my phone, as I am loving it, but it will definitely change the way I look at a company that is trying to deceive it's costumers.
For those who are interested in buying this device, send me your questions, and I will do my best to answer them.
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Can you do the same test in darker conditions? One of the ToFs tricks is that it works in any light. If it's working at all you'll Se a pretty big difference when the camera tries to focus.
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Can you do the same test in darker conditions? One of the ToFs tricks is that it works in any light. If it's working at all you'll Se a pretty big difference when the camera tries to focus.
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Tested it out in all conditions, and I saw zero difference.
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I am a no youtuber, not an apple, Samsung or huwaei fan... I have S10 plus and P30 pro. The camera on p30 pro is just a hype created by people who got free Paris trip. Trust me, i did side by side comparisons on both phones in order to decide which one to keep. Well, p30 pro is better than S10+ only during night time pictures. I don't say it is bad during daytime, but i would not call it as a camera phone as others are reviewing it as. Zoom is good till 5x. It does loose image quality on 10x slightly.
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I pre-ordered the S10+ the moment it was announced, I got one for myself and one for my wife, and I was so disappointed by it's camera. It's a good shooter during the day, but it overexposes pictures and aren't as sharp as it's competition. Low light pictures were horrible, with terrible white balance, lots of noise, and soft details. The only thing that is saving the camera on the S10+ is the video recording, as it's second to none. As for images, my Note 9 was giving much more consistent images.
The P30 Pro on the other hand wipes the floor with the S10, doesn't matter which scenario you take a picture in, 9/10 times I am taking the P30 over the S10. I already compared both my P30 Pro with my wife's S10+(I already sold mine), and apart from video recording, the P30 Pro almost always comes on top.
As for the zoom, there is a trick to get extremely sharp images even when using 10x zoom, and that is done by using the night mode while zooming in. During daylight conditions, the benefits added when using night mode while zooming isn't that much, but at night or indoors is where you see the difference.
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I pre-ordered the S10+ the moment it was announced, I got one for myself and one for my wife, and I was so disappointed by it's camera. It's a good shooter during the day, but it overexposes pictures and aren't as sharp as it's competition. Low light pictures were horrible, with terrible white balance, lots of noise, and soft details. The only thing that is saving the camera on the S10+ is the video recording, as it's second to none. As for images, my Note 9 was giving much more consistent images.
The P30 Pro on the other hand wipes the floor with the S10, doesn't matter which scenario you take a picture in, 9/10 times I am taking the P30 over the S10. I already compared both my P30 Pro with my wife's S10+(I already sold mine), and apart from video recording, the P30 Pro almost always comes on top.
As for the zoom, there is a trick to get extremely sharp images even when using 10x zoom, and that is done by using the night mode while zooming in. During daylight conditions, the benefits added when using night mode while zooming isn't that much, but at night or indoors is where you see the difference.
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How would you compare the 1080p display with S10+. I feel i see pixels on p30 pro on Black text on white backgrounds during more brighter situations.
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How would you compare the 1080p display with S10+. I feel i see pixels on p30 pro on Black text on white backgrounds during more brighter situations.
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I already commented about that under the display real life reviews. It definitely lacks sharpness, and it feels like it's an old gen OLED panel. No matter how much you tune the display colors in the settings menu, the screen will still give you different color temperature depending on brightness. I feel like the dimmer it gets, the less sharper and more bluish it looks.
I knew that by jumping to the P30 Pro I would be losing a lot, but I took that risk because I wanted the better camera to take pictures of my kids. Do I miss the S10+? Absolutely. But, do I regret my decision to ditch it for the P30 Pro? Not one bit.
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I already commented about that under the display real life reviews. It definitely lacks sharpness, and it feels like it's an old gen OLED panel. No matter how much you tune the display colors in the settings menu, the screen will still give you different color temperature depending on brightness. I feel like the dimmer it gets, the less sharper and more bluish it looks.
I knew that by jumping to the P30 Pro I would be losing a lot, but I took that risk because I wanted the better camera to take pictures of my kids. Do I miss the S10+? Absolutely. But, do I regret my decision to ditch it for the P30 Pro? Not one bit.
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Good to hear. I did the same thing. Waiting for my P30 Pro to arrive and still using the S10+ - which I'm keeping either way. I use the S10 in FHD+ and not WQHD+ so I'm not driving for top specs anyway. I understand the P30 Pro will not be the "best" screen so I'm not coming in with big expectations. As long as it's in the ballpark with my OnePlus 6T I will be more than happy. Not really a fair comparison to try and put it against the Samsung display to be honest.
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Good to hear. I did the same thing. Waiting for my P30 Pro to arrive and still using the S10+ - which I'm keeping either way. I use the S10 in FHD+ and not WQHD+ so I'm not driving for top specs anyway. I understand the P30 Pro will not be the "best" screen so I'm not coming in with big expectations. As long as it's in the ballpark with my OnePlus 6T I will be more than happy. Not really a fair comparison to try and put it against the Samsung display to be honest.
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Even in 1080 mode, the S10's screen looks crisper than that of the P30 P30. But as I said, these are trades off that I am willing to take simply because of it's camera.
Lets not forget the Samsung S10 panels are THE best on the market - no one can match them - so anything else will be a step down...
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Lets not forget the Samsung S10 panels are THE best on the market - no one can match them - so anything else will be a step down...
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Yea, if like to see how the P30 Pro compares to my OnePlus 6T. I don't think the Samsung panel is a fair comparison.
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As I got a P10 (sadly not the P10 Plus) at MWC, I have been out and about in Barcelona taking photos.
I thought it was probably a good idea to create a thread for others to post to.
Here are my first photos at night:
https://jmcomms.com/2017/02/26/huawei-p10-night-photos-around-barcelona-and-first-impressions/
Followed by some in the late afternoon:
https://jmcomms.com/2017/02/27/huawei-p10-more-photos-around-barcelona-during-mwc-2017/
And an open Google Photos gallery that anyone can contribute to.
https://goo.gl/photos/BCfjQvk6zQmwm9w79
The camera is pretty much identical to the Mate 9, but it does have the new portrait functions (that may come to the Mate 9 in a future update).
It's a nice phone, but one complaint is that with the phone being so thin, you can easily grip the phone in such a way that you can't use the on-screen shutter to take a photo. It doesn't discount any other touches on the screen, so I've had many moments where I missed a shot because my thumb was EVER SO slightly touching the edge of the screen.
Sometimes bezels have their uses!
4K video samples; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCuoPs57Q4Q
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It's a nice phone, but one complaint is that with the phone being so thin, you can easily grip the phone in such a way that you can't use the on-screen shutter to take a photo. It doesn't discount any other touches on the screen, so I've had many moments where I missed a shot because my thumb was EVER SO slightly touching the edge of the screen.
Sometimes bezels have their uses!
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You can always use the volume keys as a shutter.
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You can always use the volume keys as a shutter.
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Yes, and I do but it's not in the ideal position. I wish more companies would use two stage shutters like Sony.
I made some night shots for testing:
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All tree are made in ISO 50, the first two are at 30 sec. shutter speed, the third one at 4 sec.
I think the camera is really good at night with the right settings. I tried to make similar pics with my i6S but they weren't that good.
Got my P10 yesterday and here is my first shot (with aperture mode).
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I made some night shots for testing:
All tree are made in ISO 50, the first two are at 30 sec. shutter speed, the third one at 4 sec.
I think the camera is really good at night with the right settings. I tried to make similar pics with my i6S but they weren't that good.
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Great shots. On your iPhone have you or did you try using Nightcap Pro?
P10 is still using a BSI CMOS but the night shots were really not bad. It'd be better if it upgraded to Stacked CMOS like Exmor RS.
Is it good with moving subjects? I have an OP3 and the camera has major difficulties in handling kids and babies, especially indoors, even with decent light.
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Is it good with moving subjects? I have an OP3 and the camera has major difficulties in handling kids and babies, especially indoors, even with decent light.
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Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
I have it for 4 days now and its camera is MUCH MUCH better than OP3. Better results than iphone 7, just the colors a bit more fake, sometimes. Fast camera, shocking fast fingerprint reader, charging speed and battery feels a bit better on OP3, not big differences.
Screen is dirtier than most phones though. I'm getting used to it. Also, headphones volume a bit thin.
But camera... I hated Op3 camera, my baby photos were always blurry. Not the case anymore.
davebugyi said:
Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
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I have it for 4 days now and its camera is MUCH MUCH better than OP3. Better results than iphone 7, just the colors a bit more fake, sometimes. Fast camera, shocking fast fingerprint reader, charging speed and battery feels a bit better on OP3, not big differences.
Screen is dirtier than most phones though. I'm getting used to it. Also, headphones volume a bit thin.
But camera... I hated Op3 camera, my baby photos were always blurry. Not the case anymore.
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This sounds fantastic. Do you still have the OP3? Can you try to shoot some pics indoors abouth the same object with the two and tell the EXIF (details option in gallery) ? No need to post the pics, just the ISO, Shutter between the P10 and OP3.
Thank you.
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P10 is still using a BSI CMOS but the night shots were really not bad. It'd be better if it upgraded to Stacked CMOS like Exmor RS.
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The IMX286 used as the color sensor in the P10 is listed as a Exmor rs sensor on the Wiki. Also in the mate 9 review on GSM arena. They wrote, that the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7.
I don't own the phone. But I'm considering buying it as a replacement for my HTC One M8. When i bought that, the camera wasn't a priority. But that is changed for my next purchase.
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The IMX286 used as the color sensor in the P10 is listed as a Exmor rs sensor on the Wiki. Also in the mate 9 review on GSM arena. They wrote, that the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7.
I don't own the phone. But I'm considering buying it as a replacement for my HTC One M8. When i bought that, the camera wasn't a priority. But that is changed for my next purchase.
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Can you explain a bit how is it: "the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7." ? I'm interested in this phone but f:2.2 is more than the f:1.8 of P10 Plus. Anyway, i dont know how much can be the shutter speed in pro mode.
Loving my P10 Plus, The camera is amazing, Here are some of my photos.
http://imgur.com/a/bQIki
http://imgur.com/a/dNjy6
http://imgur.com/a/ftgPI
http://imgur.com/a/WCsBs
Unfortunately no. My OP3 had a lot of dust on the lens, inside (i had a lot of phones, this never happened with any...). So I sent it to the Service Center and... DHL lost it.
Anyway. I remember in auto mode OP3 was always 1/17 with ISO from 1000 to 3000+. Any movement turned into blur usually. Very annoying. Then they made some update and it was using 1/20 and lower ISO. Still blurry. Manual shots were slightly better, sometimes.
With P10, same living room, it does 1/17 to 1/25, ISO from 200 to 640. BUT no blur anymore, so most likely OP3 problem is the damn postprocessing. In manual mode, you can really catch the action. Outside, ISO goes to 50 in good light. Interesting, sometimes indoors the picture looks brighter than the reality in auto mode, but in a good way ☺
Greens are slightly fake sometime.
davebugyi said:
Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
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This sounds fantastic. Do you still have the OP3? Can you try to shoot some pics indoors abouth the same object with the two and tell the EXIF (details option in gallery) ? No need to post the pics, just the ISO, Shutter between the P10 and OP3.
Thank you.
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No editing.
vicusbass said:
Unfortunately no. My OP3 had a lot of dust on the lens, inside (i had a lot of phones, this never happened with any...). So I sent it to the Service Center and... DHL lost it.
Anyway. I remember in auto mode OP3 was always 1/17 with ISO from 1000 to 3000+. Any movement turned into blur usually. Very annoying. Then they made some update and it was using 1/20 and lower ISO. Still blurry. Manual shots were slightly better, sometimes.
With P10, same living room, it does 1/17 to 1/25, ISO from 200 to 640. BUT no blur anymore, so most likely OP3 problem is the damn postprocessing. In manual mode, you can really catch the action. Outside, ISO goes to 50 in good light. Interesting, sometimes indoors the picture looks brighter than the reality in auto mode, but in a good way
Greens are slightly fake sometime.
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Many thanks! I am getting mine and getting rid of the OP 3T on Tuesday. The OP is a fast and nice phone, but a lacks a decent allrounder camera.
SebastianAlejandro said:
Can you explain a bit how is it: "the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7." ? I'm interested in this phone but f:2.2 is more than the f:1.8 of P10 Plus. Anyway, i dont know how much can be the shutter speed in pro mode.
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Hello Sebastian
This is a quote from the review on GSMArena:
"You'd argue that the f/2.2 aperture is quite dim by today's standards, to which Leica replies that you have two of those, so double the light. In effect that makes the aperture f/1.6 (2.2 divided by the square root of 2)."
http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_mate_9-review-1520p8.php
Also the arpeture on the plus model is still better, but not much
http://m.androidcentral.com/huawei-p10-vs-p10-plus-camera-comparison
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Thanks for sharing your beautifull pictures. It realy helps me to decide to buy this phone.
KyleGriffiths said:
Loving my P10 Plus, The camera is amazing, Here are some of my photos.
http://imgur.com/a/bQIki
http://imgur.com/a/dNjy6
http://imgur.com/a/ftgPI
http://imgur.com/a/WCsBs
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Love the photos. Have you used an older Huawei or Honor phone previously to the P10 Plus?
Think there needs to be a thread for photos taken on the P30 Pro, given how the key feature of this phone is the camera(s).
I've also created a Google Photos gallery that people can share photos on (and video). It's non-commercial, and anyone that posts a photo obviously retains their own copyright.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/crLDcUSr9mxgJCSV8
So far the gallery has some examples of the various zoom levels (and wide angle), low-light and some very impressive shots of the sun. I am really loving the flexibility of the camera in just about all conditions.
I can't wait to see photos from others.
camera only good at zoom is a camera half good, in a perfect world it would do miracles with video aswell if it used Snapdragon 855
Any chance someone can put some super-slow-mo videos up please?
Id like to see someone post a sample too.
I saw a video on YouTube and slowMo looked absolutely horrible. Also not as slow as the phone it was compared to. Ive watched so many videos on the p30 that I doubt I could find the video again.
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Id like to see someone post a sample too.
I saw a video on YouTube and slowMo looked absolutely horrible. Also not as slow as the phone it was compared to. Ive watched so many videos on the p30 that I doubt I could find the video again.
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This 960fps slow motion is fame with Huawei
Extremely bad quality besides s10 plus
I saw the video too
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I dont like the over sharpness at night with night mode
Pixel xl 3 night sight is way better in term of normal details and Colours
Huawei needs to work hard to fix image processing with night mode and faces details
Sorry, but these photos do nothing for me in terms of showing what the phone is capable of. Many (most?) of the photos are shaky or way too soft even at ISO50. I do like how the colors look tho, especially in the night photos.
Here's a new video that was posted comparing the slow Mo
https://youtu.be/qffBzSC7DmY
Hopefully the p30 improves!
Here's a few samples of mine, i had the P30 Pro since launch day and it's a camera champ. But i don't recommend you go beyond the 5x optical focal length or it won't be pretty. The noise reduction in jpeg's is a bit too strong for my taste, i hope Huawei tones it down. However the raw files are very nice to work with.
1. Flower is shot in raw at iso 50 indoors.
2. Church shot using 16mm ultrawide angle.
3, 5x at the church clock, shot raw.
4. 16mm indoors at chuch.
5. Building shot at 5x in raw.
6. Hotel interior at 16mm ultrawide angle, shot in jpeg.
7. Test of ToF sensor and fake bokeh at water fountain.
8. 5x at outdoor hotel pool 50 meters above ground. Shot from below.
/ Magnus
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Here's a new video that was posted comparing the slow Mo
https://youtu.be/qffBzSC7DmY
Hopefully the p30 improves!
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Thanks for sharing. That is a shame, but still better than the shockingly bad P20 Pro that wasn't actually 960fps...
I feel this will be a great camera replacement phone for my Mate 20 Pro of course until the Mate 30 Pro comes out... I wonder if Huawei will completely ditch 3D face and notch... will be interesting. The Mate 20 Pro is a great phone... brought me back from the Apple Darkside. I can't see Apple being able to keep up with Samsung and Huawei (even Xiaomi for that matter) in the top camera phone space, anymore.... IMO. They have just lost so much ground to make it all up with their incremental updates.... I think android has brought me back with better technology, we'll see if it keeps me.
Courtyard
First photo taken in our condominium courtyard.
Sorry to be the bad guy, but there are no real details. It suffers from the well known Huawei processing. This phone is good for the Instagram generation, but it takes bad photos. Not true to life.
Took delivery of mine today. Not impressed at all - the usual overprocessed, smeary Huawei ****e that's probably great for those who like to mess about with DNG and Lightroom but as an auto shooter is behind the pack for normal photos VS pretty much all the other flagships.
Hopefully the promised software update with camera improvements will reach my device soon and blow me away. Already kind of pissed that my dual SIM Amazon device is actually single SIM but to be behind on a supposedly critical update already is not helping my feelings towards this phone.
Any video samples? For me video is more important than photos and it seems the Kirin CPU can not handle video with high enough bitrate, I see occasional stutter too. One reviewer mentioned that 4K video did appear like it was actually 1440p upscaled. One other review did check video bitrate and framerate and both did appear low (I think it was 27Mbps and 28fps for a 4K video).
I wonder if these things could be tweaked by modifying camera app, to try increase bitrate.
EDIT: The video review showing P30 Pro video bitrate, framerate and panning stutter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LaeCzEMEgw
So many reviews out there seem to be sponsored, looking for real-life video examples.
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Took delivery of mine today. Not impressed at all - the usual overprocessed, smeary Huawei ****e that's probably great for those who like to mess about with DNG and Lightroom but as an auto shooter is behind the pack for normal photos VS pretty much all the other flagships.
Hopefully the promised software update with camera improvements will reach my device soon and blow me away. Already kind of pissed that my dual SIM Amazon device is actually single SIM but to be behind on a supposedly critical update already is not helping my feelings towards this phone.
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I have the opposite experience. Samples found online wasn't that impressive, but I quite like how the photos I take (in daylight so far) look., even when zoomed in. It's definitely not as sharp as say, Pixel 3XL, but very good.
I agree. The dog looks great. I'm also using a Galaxy S10+ and though I love the phone, you can barely take a pic of an animal because it smudges and smooths everything so badly. My P30 will be here soon and I'm encouraged by those pics.
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I agree. The dog looks great. I'm also using a Galaxy S10+ and though I love the phone, you can barely take a pic of an animal because it smudges and smooths everything so badly. My P30 will be here soon and I'm encouraged by those pics.
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My advice is to not get too excited. The examples given are in searing sunlight and even then there's some smearing and oversharpening. In the case of the dog, it's just sat still - not a challenging scenario for any phone.
Apparently some people in the UK have had the new update so I'm hoping to get it over the weekend.
I currently also have an S9 and an iPhone XR and the photos from both of those devices are better so far (with the exception of low light shots).
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My advice is to not get too excited. The examples given are in searing sunlight and even then there's some smearing and oversharpening. In the case of the dog, it's just sat still - not a challenging scenario for any phone.
Apparently some people in the UK have had the new update so I'm hoping to get it over the weekend.
I currently also have an S9 and an iPhone XR and the photos from both of those devices are better so far (with the exception of low light shots).
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Maybe you should post side-by-side comparison shots so we can see how better those phones' cameras are.
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Maybe you should post side-by-side comparison shots so we can see how better those phones' cameras are.
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I want to get the 124 update before I do much more testing but here for example is a crop of some daffodils in the sunlight from the XR and P30 Pro (no AI mode).
I wish I had the .124 update before family day at the zoo but still impressed with these 10x zoom. My S10 could definitely not do this. Keep in mind that lion was through streaky zoo glass.
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Photo quality is one of the worst I've seen on a smartphone. I'm way too disappointed, honestly pixel 2 camera beats the crap out of note 10 plus camera. Is it too much to ask for a good bokeh photo? I mean everyone is doing it great WITHOUT the TOF sensor. Does it even work on the phone? I felt like crying when I took my first image on the phone. One would expect the live focus would be matured by now but cheap Chinese phones give you better live focus effects. The wide angle is completely unusable, distorted (after enabling the correction) and grainy. The photo quality is garbage during all lighting conditions except daylight and outdoors. How did Samsung have the audacity to market it as a content creators phone?
I don’t have any of the problems that you mentioned. After your first photo, instead of crying you should have returned it immediately.
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Photo quality is one of the worst I've seen on a smartphone. I'm way too disappointed, honestly pixel 2 camera beats the crap out of note 10 plus camera. Is it too much to ask for a good bokeh photo? I mean everyone is doing it great WITHOUT the TOF sensor. Does it even work on the phone? I felt like crying when I took my first image on the phone. One would expect the live focus would be matured by now but cheap Chinese phones give you better live focus effects. The wide angle is completely unusable, distorted (after enabling the correction) and grainy. The photo quality is garbage during all lighting conditions except daylight and outdoors. How did Samsung have the audacity to market it as a content creators phone?
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I absolutely agree. My s10+ that I traded was a beast at night photos. Now my Note 10+ looks like pictures were taken from a laptop cam. So grainy and blurry at night or even during the day unless it's outside in a very nicely light place. Someone was saying some cases might cause this issue but I tried it without a case and no difference. Clearing cache and storage with rebooting does not help either. Mine is unlocked and the pictures were bad when i was on the U1 firmware and now I am t-mobile firmware and no difference. I am thinking about calling Samsung and asking for replacement. It seems this issue has been happening ever since the s8. A lot of complaints with the Note 9 too.
I feel regret for trading in my perfect s10+
I'm really not sure whether it's a faulty device or just very poor camera quality, but although sharp, my photos in ideal conditions come out lifeless and washed out enough that multiple people commented on it...And that's coming from OP6T, so not exactly huge expectations...I came here to see if it's the same for everyone, or if it's something to return the device for or if there's a software fix...
ok either i have another device and got scammed with note 10 +sticker on the box or something really wrong with your devices guys !!!
the photo and video quality is superb on this phone. the only area were my previous p30 pro shines over it is the night time and still very decent performer !
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I don’t have any of the problems that you mentioned. After your first photo, instead of crying you should have returned it immediately.
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Not a faulty hardware and had pre booked so cannot return. It's pure garbage that's all.
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I'm really not sure whether it's a faulty device or just very poor camera quality, but although sharp, my photos in ideal conditions come out lifeless and washed out enough that multiple people commented on it...And that's coming from OP6T, so not exactly huge expectations...I came here to see if it's the same for everyone, or if it's something to return the device for or if there's a software fix...
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Just the way it is. All the vloggers either have been bought off or they know jack**** about vlogging camera quality. They don't even know what they're doing half the time and the other half they just copy from each other. It could easily be fixed by good software.
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Not a faulty hardware and had pre booked so cannot return. It's pure garbage that's all.
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Just the way it is. All the vloggers either have been bought off or they know jack**** about vlogging camera quality. They don't even know what they're doing half the time and the other half they just copy from each other. It could easily be fixed by good software.
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Operator's technical problem
Not even a sample photo,Mouth complaining
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Operator's technical problem
Not even a sample photo,Mouth complaining
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Would love to, but XDA app says bad request when I try to attach an image.
I really do not know what device are the both complainers talking about, the camera is excelent, chinese cheap phones are by no means better than note's camera, so, only god knows what are you holding in your hands, or how you are using it
Takes great photos to me.
Most seem to havd hdr on. So moving shortly after taking a photo gives a blured photo. But other then that.
Great photos
Coming from a Pixel 3 XL (and previously a 2 XL), the overall image quality is a noticeable step down for me (Note10+ photos seem granier, blurrier, smudgier, etc.), but the versatility of the Note10+'s cameras are unmatched. The versatility alone is enough for me to sacrifice some image quality.
Video is a no contest. The Note10+ video capabilities puts the 3 XL to shame. However, Live Focus Video is atrocious and needs a lot of improvement.
Live Focus for portrait photos is mediocre at best. It softens way too much at the higher blur levels, to the point where the subject and background turn out smudgy and seem to 'melt' into one. Granted, I have taken a handful of good Live Focus photos, but the 3 XL's Portrait Mode is hands-down superior imho.
I have also noticed the shutter speed to be slightly slower on the Note10+ compared to the 3 XL, as I seem to capture more blurry shots of my 3yo son with the Note10+.
Quick question for everyone. Do you guys have HDR always enabled? I do, so I'm wondering if this is contributing to the slower shutter speed/lag.
Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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I agree completely
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Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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Exactly so
Nic
Blaalad12 said:
Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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Agree... I keep doing more and more tests and honestly i am even impressed by photos in the dark with the normal (wide angle) lens..
However there is some stuff not working well, like portrait mode in the dark, too grainy, probably due to the apperture. Need to use wide angle lens for dark situations.
I find it amazing to read complaints but none posts examples about it with the settings used.
Perhaps it has something to do with Qualcomm's processing vs Exynos? It seems Exynos Note 10 people are happy with quality and at least one of the two people in this thread with image quality issue is using Snapdragon Note 10 plus
Mine, too me at least seems good. I have snapdragon version, and maybe it's just me coming from my note 8? Hopefully these come through clear... The night shot was just on regular mode
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The note 8 camera is indeed really good, this note10+ is just plain excellent, that's it
I've had the phone for a couple of days now ant the battery life is stellar but the camera is such a disappointment. Compared with the S22 Ultra it lets in less light and the pictures are overall darker. Same goes for low light pictures, the S22 Ultra is consistently brighter in all scenarios. It reminds me of the difference between my iPhone 13Pro and my S22 Ultra last year the former always capturing more light. To be honest I was expecting the opposite to be true with all the reviewers clamoring about the S23 Ultra's better low life performance and camera overall. I'm really not impressed so far.
Anyone else still in possession of both phones? What's your experience been like? Any suggestions? Did I miss something in the setting? So many questions
Clear cam data, try a hard reboot and clear system cache. Try in safe mode.
Carefully go through -all- the cam settings and options.
Return it if you don't like it for a cash refund.
Are you using the 12 MP default option instead of 200 MP? The 12 MP is said to give the best results on colors and contrast when shooting in low light.
"Binning pixels like this increases their effective size, allowing them to gather more light and detail. So the ISOCELL HP2 can bin every four pixels to effectively make them 1.2μm in size and produce 50-megapixel images, or bin 16 for even larger 2.4μm pixels and 12.5-megapixel images."
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Clear cam data, try a hard reboot and clear system cache. Try in safe mode.
Carefully go through -all- the cam settings and options.
Return it if you don't like it for a cash refund.
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Done. No dice. The camera still lets in less light on the S23U. In the settings I noticed that Camera assistant is missing. Must be a One UI 5.1 thing. Do you also have the S22 and S23 Ultra? Is that the reason for your suggestions? Are you seeing different results?
I'm upgrading from S22U (SnapDragon) to S23U and the few comparison shots I've taken I found that the S23U does capture slightly more detail, but there's not much difference at all. Remember this is the initial firmware for the phone though so the camera performance should hopefully receive some updates over time.
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I'm upgrading from S22U (SnapDragon) to S23U and the few comparison shots I've taken I found that the S23U does capture slightly more detail, but there's not much difference at all. Remember this is the initial firmware for the phone though so the camera performance should hopefully receive some updates over time.
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For sure. I totally get that. The thing is all the reviewers said that the s23u captured more light and that has yet to materialize for me. They were using the same software. To your point, the software should get better but I feel as though this is a hardware thing. But I'm no expert.
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Are you using the 12 MP default option instead of 200 MP? The 12 MP is said to give the best results on colors and contrast when shooting in low light.
"Binning pixels like this increases their effective size, allowing them to gather more light and detail. So the ISOCELL HP2 can bin every four pixels to effectively make them 1.2μm in size and produce 50-megapixel images, or bin 16 for even larger 2.4μm pixels and 12.5-megapixel images."
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If by 12MP you mean 3:4 absolutely. Didn't change anything.
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If by 12MP you mean 3:4 absolutely. Didn't change anything.
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I don't have my phone yet but there is a setting somewhere that you can choose between 200 MP, 50 MP or 12 MP in settings.
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Done. No dice. The camera still lets in less light on the S23U. In the settings I noticed that Camera assistant is missing. Must be a One UI 5.1 thing. Do you also have the S22 and S23 Ultra? Is that the reason for your suggestions? Are you seeing different results?
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Try shooting raws, at least 3 f/stops more exposure and WB correction. Downside is the post processing effort/time required.
The issue may simply be the firmware instruction set. Samsung is notorious for dialing things in after the release. I'm still happily running N10+'s on Pie and Q. I demand a dual drive capable device. I'm not pleased at all by the newer Android versions from Gookill either.
The dead zone between pixels on such a small sensor with such a huge pixel count is concerning as is the individual pixel microlense quality. Even 20mp is pushing it. Canon full frame sensors are maxed out at about 26mp.
Regardless of the camera learning it's capabilities, limitations and shooting effectively within those boundaries is what grabs keepers.
I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have it.
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Is it the camera or the display?
Check/compare images on a properly color calibrated monitor... yeah, it's a can of worms.
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I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have
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I'll try tomorrow
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I'll try tomorrow
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In low light hold the phone as still as possible.
Use a nearby fixed object to brace it or yourself on when possible.
Using the spen as a remote shutter release will help too.
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I'll try tomorrow! This app is so wonky for me. I'll try tomorrow and post the pics.
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In low light hold the phone as still as possible.
Use a nearby fixed object to brace it or yourself on when possible.
Using the spen as a remote shutter release will help too.
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I got a Benro Tripod with a Phone attachment mounted on top. Gonna try that when I get the Ultra Monday doing some dark photos and using the pen as remote shutter release. Will also do same with the S22U before sending it back to Samsung.
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I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have it.
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Okay I think this worked. I'll let you guess which is which.
Edit: @blackhawk was spot on. They were both from the S22u. I have such a hard time with the app. I re-uploaded the correct pics. Left S23u Right S22u.
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I got a Benro Tripod with a Phone attachment mounted on top. Gonna try that when I get the Ultra Monday doing some dark photos and using the pen as remote shutter release. Will also do same with the S22U before sending it back to Samsung.
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I loathe tripods. Learned to improvise and shoot in low light with my Canon Pro cam 15 years ago.
I'll use anything at any height or angle I can reach as a brace; with practice you can land one of a kind keepers no tripod can grab.
Smart phones are poor shooting platforms; light weight so there's little stabilizing inertia and lousy handholds. Poor shutter release and controls. However they lend themselves to bracing well enough. In a case you don't have to worry much about what you brace it on...
The traditional elbows in, wide staggered foot stance, hold your breath works too. Shooting technique counts...
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Okay I think this worked. I'll let you guess which is which.
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Poor example; different shooting heights skews the results. The AF lock on point is also different so the bottle's print is out of focus in the one shot. Light metering and colors look near identical in both.
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I loathe tripods. Learned to improvise and shoot in low light with my Canon Pro cam 15 years ago.
I'll use anything at any height or angle I can reach as a brace; with practice you can land one of a kind keepers no tripod can grab.
Smart phones are poor shooting platforms; light weight so there's little stabilizing inertia and lousy handholds. Poor shutter release and controls. However they lend themselves to bracing well enough. In a case you don't have to worry much about what you brace it on...
The traditional elbows in, wide staggered foot stance, hold your breath works too. Shooting technique counts...
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That might work for Photos but not very well for videos especially when you are zooming in 20x. Here's is an example where I have S22U on a tripod and zoom in on a waterfall from across the canyon and pan up and down. No way you gonna do it that smoothly holding it in your hands even braced. So for videos I love the tripod. It's the very lightest one they make and perfect for cell phones or light cameras. Change YouTube resolution to 1080p for best viewing.
Hello all
I am observing something that angers me a bit and I see as kind of an issue with the camera and the processing my S23 Ultra does to each shot, more specifically to those taken in 50 and 200mp modes.
I have noticed a considerable oversaturation, increase in warmer tones and maybe even adding of contrast. Whenever there is a scenario where I have oranges or reds, the phone adds more to those and they blow up. I noticed it the other day while shooting a sunset.
The attached pictures are from the standard app, but the same happens in Pro and Expert RAW. The 1st pic is at 12 mp. There is some saturation added, but not too much. The 2nd one is from the 50mp where it goes crazy. After I take the shot it looks good, but it shows that it is processing it and than - crap happens. Same is with the 200 mode.
I spoke with a Samsung rep, I have reset the camera settings, restarted the phone and I am on the newest version, having updated a few hours ago.
Do you see the same behaviour with your S23 Ultras or is it just me? And is there something I can do? I have disabled and disabled the Picture color mode in Dev Options with no effect.
Thank you a lot in advance for helping out!
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Hello all
I am observing something that angers me a bit and I see as kind of an issue with the camera and the processing my S23 Ultra does to each shot, more specifically to those taken in 50 and 200mp modes.
I have noticed a considerable oversaturation, increase in warmer tones and maybe even adding of contrast. Whenever there is a scenario where I have oranges or reds, the phone adds more to those and they blow up. I noticed it the other day while shooting a sunset.
The attached pictures are from the standard app, but the same happens in Pro and Expert RAW. The 1st pic is at 12 mp. There is some saturation added, but not too much. The 2nd one is from the 50mp where it goes crazy. After I take the shot it looks good, but it shows that it is processing it and than - crap happens. Same is with the 200 mode.
I spoke with a Samsung rep, I have reset the camera settings, restarted the phone and I am on the newest version, having updated a few hours ago.
Do you see the same behaviour with your S23 Ultras or is it just me? And is there something I can do? I have disabled and disabled the Picture color mode in Dev Options with no effect.
Thank you a lot in advance for helping out!
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Try to disable "scene optimizer". It could be the issue.
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Try to disable "scene optimizer". It could be the issue.
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That should certainly be done but it does not help a ton. The most significant thing I have found is to always shoot in pro mode and take saturation down 2-3 clicks, click the right most icon on the top of the screen to get access to that setting. As mentioned in the gcam thread I also take down shadows and highlights 2-3 clicks and turn contrast up 2-3 clicks. That tends to expand the dynamic range just enough to make a difference. Make sure to use the additional camera settings to tell the cam to always remember your last mode and filter settings.
And about the image in the OP - getting this type of scene right in "auto everything" mode is tough even for DSLR cameras costing thousands of dollars. You have to futz a bit with the white balance and exposure to get something pleasing on practically any camera. shooting into the sun requires good understanding of what the sensor is seeing, and almost always takes significant post processing to make it look natural
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That should certainly be done but it does not help a ton. The most significant thing I have found is to always shoot in pro mode and take saturation down 2-3 clicks, click the right most icon on the top of the screen to get access to that setting. As mentioned in the gcam thread I also take down shadows and highlights 2-3 clicks and turn contrast up 2-3 clicks. That tends to expand the dynamic range just enough to make a difference. Make sure to use the additional camera settings to tell the cam to always remember your last mode and filter settings.
And about the image in the OP - getting this type of scene right in "auto everything" mode is tough even for DSLR cameras costing thousands of dollars. You have to futz a bit with the white balance and exposure to get something pleasing on practically any camera. shooting into the sun requires good understanding of what the sensor is seeing, and almost always takes significant post processing to make it look natural
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Thank you both. Scene Optimizer didn't help at all and i will try that saturation thing, though it tells me it is not available for RAW mode
Still it is good to hear, that I am not the only one, so it is not a HW issue, but a software one. Right?
I am not expecting for the phone to replace my Nikon 6 II, but use it, when I am taking a walk and shoot something nice and not need to carry the camera and all the additional things with it
Stock app on s23u screen look ok. Because the screen is washed out with too much blue and green.
But when Ive edited the picture on my benq 4k screen 99% color accuracy, wow, indeed over saturated !
I will follow the Gcam thread closely, I think a member is very close to have a config file on point.
Itnis actually a really good point. I javent thought that i also have Vivid mode on the phone and things might look quite different on other devices.
I assume you also have the same issue as I do with the phone oversaturating shots?
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I assume you also have the same issue as I do with the phone oversaturating shots?
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Probably report it with a photo/video evidence and detailed description in Samsung members application.
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Probably report it with a photo/video evidence and detailed description in Samsung members application.
Already did. I aslo spoke with a rep from Samsun US, but I am not sure if he will log it
Does it mean though that you dont have such an issue with your phone?
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Maybe I have but I like colors on my photos
Well not when the Oranges in your shot are trying to get out of the screen and have a life of their own
Don't use Expert RAW, as best as I can tell it has fewer capabilities that PRO mode in the stock app. Once in pro mode click the icon in the top right of the screen (looks like two concentric circles connected by spokes). Then along the bottom there are a bunch of cryptic icons. When you click on each some verbiage will appear explaining what they are. First one is contrast, second highlights, third shadows, fourth saturation, fifth tint. Take down saturation, highlights and shadows 2-3 clicks and bring contrast up the same amount and see what you think.
Other settings to adjust in tandem: from the modes panel pull down Pro mode to the modes strip at the bottom; under Advanced Picture options change storage mode to either RAW or RAW+JPEG if you want to futz with things in Photoshop; and most importantly under Settings to Keep make sure that camera mode and filters are checked.
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Hello all
I am observing something that angers me a bit and I see as kind of an issue with the camera and the processing my S23 Ultra does to each shot, more specifically to those taken in 50 and 200mp modes.
I have noticed a considerable oversaturation, increase in warmer tones and maybe even adding of contrast. Whenever there is a scenario where I have oranges or reds, the phone adds more to those and they blow up. I noticed it the other day while shooting a sunset.
The attached pictures are from the standard app, but the same happens in Pro and Expert RAW. The 1st pic is at 12 mp. There is some saturation added, but not too much. The 2nd one is from the 50mp where it goes crazy. After I take the shot it looks good, but it shows that it is processing it and than - crap happens. Same is with the 200 mode.
I spoke with a Samsung rep, I have reset the camera settings, restarted the phone and I am on the newest version, having updated a few hours ago.
Do you see the same behavior with your S23 Ultras or is it just me? And is there something I can do? I have disabled and disabled the Picture color mode in Dev Options with no effect.
Thank you a lot in advance for helping out!
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Well, I don't have my S23 Ultra yet and don't know how you got yours so fast. I'm still waiting and I ordered mine on the 16th, day before they were to be released.
That said, all high end phones and my Nikon Camera have settings that affect that, for an example the "VIVID" setting in my Nikon would cause the saturation problem with your photos and can be adjusted.
Also mid to high end Samsung TVs have that too. In the showrooms they're all set to VIVID or something similar to make the picture POP. Samsung phones probably comes that way as well.
So read your manual and find settings for saturation and adjust to your liking.
Thank you, William. To add to it, I actually got mine the next day, the 2nd from my local Samsung store. I guess it depends per country, but we just got the upgrade from 256 to 512 as a benefit and nothing else.
I have taken some shots the past day, having turned off scene optimization and HDR and making sure that I am looking at the RAW shot, not the jpeg and it seems better.
Your Nikon camera, mine including, has a similar option, but it affects the jpeg shot only and not the RAW, where you can do whatever you like. I am kind of expecting the same with the phones RAW shots.
Still when looking at the jpeg, when I have set it up to take both, the jpeg seems worse, while the RAW is ok. I guess it will take some playing with it and it became better and I thank all that spared time to reply to me. The phone is just amazing. Even 3 weeks after I got it, I still can stop wondering how big of an upgrade it is for me and how much I like it
Cheers!
Korowin said:
Thank you, William. To add to it, I actually got mine the next day, the 2nd from my local Samsung store. I guess it depends per country, but we just got the upgrade from 256 to 512 as a benefit and nothing else.
I have taken some shots the past day, having turned off scene optimization and HDR and making sure that I am looking at the RAW shot, not the jpeg and it seems better.
Your Nikon camera, mine including, has a similar option, but it affects the jpeg shot only and not the RAW, where you can do whatever you like. I am kind of expecting the same with the phones RAW shots.
Still when looking at the jpeg, when I have set it up to take both, the jpeg seems worse, while the RAW is ok. I guess it will take some playing with it and it became better and I thank all that spared time to reply to me. The phone is just amazing. Even 3 weeks after I got it, I still can stop wondering how big of an upgrade it is for me and how much I like it
Cheers!
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I got a great deal with my S23 Ultra:
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I ordered this phone for the photography features as I was surprised how good my former S21+ was... I started leaving my Nikons home too much. LOL But these camera phones will never be able to shoot BIF that I like to do. Anyways I'm a semi-pro and here is my website if you care to look.
https://moskovita-photography.com/
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I got a great deal with my S23 Ultra:
View attachment 5847523I ordered this phone for the photography features as I was surprised how good my former S21+ was... I started leaving my Nikons home too much. LOL But these camera phones will never be able to shoot BIF that I like to do. Anyways I'm a semi-pro and here is my website if you care to look.
https://moskovita-photography.com/
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you have quite a lot of amazing shots there, mate. I urge you not to stop taking your Nikon with you . I know it can be quite a lot and when I decide to go full out, my backpack is close to 15 kilos, but oh, well. It is worth it when you take that amazing shot
The phone is quite impressive for a phone camera, but it is still not close to the real deal. The difference is sensor size does matter a lot.
Here are some of mine then too
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you have quite a lot of amazing shots there, mate. I urge you not to stop taking your Nikon with you . I know it can be quite a lot and when I decide to go full out, my backpack is close to 15 kilos, but oh, well. It is worth it when you take that amazing shot
The phone is quite impressive for a phone camera, but it is still not close to the real deal. The difference is sensor size does matter a lot.
Here are some of mine then too
Vasil Andreev Photography
Vasil Andreev Photography, София, България. 1,548 likes · 62 talking about this. Landscape, Wildlife and Macro Photography
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Ah... indeed you do have some great photos on FB.
Here is my older website with 40 years worth of photos
http://www.moskovita-photography.com/stock_photography.htm
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Ah... indeed you do have some great photos on FB.
Here is my older website with 40 years worth of photos
http://www.moskovita-photography.com/stock_photography.htm
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Awesome. I am still browsing and I love it. I am still new. Got the Nikon a year ago, had no clue what is going on, and still pushing through it. It is quite a lot of fun, having in mind I hated taking pictures before.
And I kind of like it, that this phone gives me the opportunity to dig into how it is working and what it does to get even more out of it.
I found that using my note9 for photos they came out exactly as what I see with my eyes. The 23 ultra threw a bunch of blue into the sky and made things much more vibrant than what it really looks like. When comparing the iPhone and s23 yes you can see pros and cons but no one really can see how enhanced the photos are. I can't find a way to make the pictures look less exaggerated. I don't think we should have to resort to using pro settings every time. Has anyone foud a way to correct the photos? Debating on returning back to the note
Master255 said:
I recommend just switching to S22. It has no such problems and everything works automatically. With him you do not need to be a professional to just take a photo.
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Sure. Makes sens. Ditch the batter battery, go for exinos, leave the better and flatter display, the otherwise perfect performance for me, the better ram and storage, etc. I can also get a Nokia with a flash life.
Having in mind I own a semi pro camera, this is a solid advice.
Cheers!
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The battery in the s22 is exactly the same, the s22 also has snapdragon, the screen in the s23 is greener displays less details and has fewer colors compared to the s22, the RAM is exactly the same, the drive too. As you can see the camera is so professional in the s23 that ordinary users can not use it. So you don't lose anything by switching to the s22!
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The things you are listing are not the same. I will get exinos cuz i am in the EU. The display is more energy efficient and i dont see the color stuff you are listing. It is a matter of set up.
The s23 ram is 5x, which means newer and faster. The storage is 4.0, which also means newer and faster, and more efficient
There is more in the s23U than the spec sheet tells in comparison to s22U.