P10 Camera Samples - Huawei P10 Guides, News, & Discussion

As I got a P10 (sadly not the P10 Plus) at MWC, I have been out and about in Barcelona taking photos.
I thought it was probably a good idea to create a thread for others to post to.
Here are my first photos at night:
https://jmcomms.com/2017/02/26/huawei-p10-night-photos-around-barcelona-and-first-impressions/
Followed by some in the late afternoon:
https://jmcomms.com/2017/02/27/huawei-p10-more-photos-around-barcelona-during-mwc-2017/
And an open Google Photos gallery that anyone can contribute to.
https://goo.gl/photos/BCfjQvk6zQmwm9w79
The camera is pretty much identical to the Mate 9, but it does have the new portrait functions (that may come to the Mate 9 in a future update).
It's a nice phone, but one complaint is that with the phone being so thin, you can easily grip the phone in such a way that you can't use the on-screen shutter to take a photo. It doesn't discount any other touches on the screen, so I've had many moments where I missed a shot because my thumb was EVER SO slightly touching the edge of the screen.
Sometimes bezels have their uses!

4K video samples; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCuoPs57Q4Q

jonmorris said:
It's a nice phone, but one complaint is that with the phone being so thin, you can easily grip the phone in such a way that you can't use the on-screen shutter to take a photo. It doesn't discount any other touches on the screen, so I've had many moments where I missed a shot because my thumb was EVER SO slightly touching the edge of the screen.
Sometimes bezels have their uses!
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You can always use the volume keys as a shutter.

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You can always use the volume keys as a shutter.
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Yes, and I do but it's not in the ideal position. I wish more companies would use two stage shutters like Sony.

I made some night shots for testing:
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All tree are made in ISO 50, the first two are at 30 sec. shutter speed, the third one at 4 sec.
I think the camera is really good at night with the right settings. I tried to make similar pics with my i6S but they weren't that good.

Got my P10 yesterday and here is my first shot (with aperture mode).

Jannomag said:
I made some night shots for testing:
All tree are made in ISO 50, the first two are at 30 sec. shutter speed, the third one at 4 sec.
I think the camera is really good at night with the right settings. I tried to make similar pics with my i6S but they weren't that good.
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Great shots. On your iPhone have you or did you try using Nightcap Pro?

P10 is still using a BSI CMOS but the night shots were really not bad. It'd be better if it upgraded to Stacked CMOS like Exmor RS.

Is it good with moving subjects? I have an OP3 and the camera has major difficulties in handling kids and babies, especially indoors, even with decent light.

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Is it good with moving subjects? I have an OP3 and the camera has major difficulties in handling kids and babies, especially indoors, even with decent light.
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Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/

I have it for 4 days now and its camera is MUCH MUCH better than OP3. Better results than iphone 7, just the colors a bit more fake, sometimes. Fast camera, shocking fast fingerprint reader, charging speed and battery feels a bit better on OP3, not big differences.
Screen is dirtier than most phones though. I'm getting used to it. Also, headphones volume a bit thin.
But camera... I hated Op3 camera, my baby photos were always blurry. Not the case anymore.
davebugyi said:
Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
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vicusbass said:
I have it for 4 days now and its camera is MUCH MUCH better than OP3. Better results than iphone 7, just the colors a bit more fake, sometimes. Fast camera, shocking fast fingerprint reader, charging speed and battery feels a bit better on OP3, not big differences.
Screen is dirtier than most phones though. I'm getting used to it. Also, headphones volume a bit thin.
But camera... I hated Op3 camera, my baby photos were always blurry. Not the case anymore.
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This sounds fantastic. Do you still have the OP3? Can you try to shoot some pics indoors abouth the same object with the two and tell the EXIF (details option in gallery) ? No need to post the pics, just the ISO, Shutter between the P10 and OP3.
Thank you.

alular said:
P10 is still using a BSI CMOS but the night shots were really not bad. It'd be better if it upgraded to Stacked CMOS like Exmor RS.
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The IMX286 used as the color sensor in the P10 is listed as a Exmor rs sensor on the Wiki. Also in the mate 9 review on GSM arena. They wrote, that the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7.
I don't own the phone. But I'm considering buying it as a replacement for my HTC One M8. When i bought that, the camera wasn't a priority. But that is changed for my next purchase.

ClausG76 said:
The IMX286 used as the color sensor in the P10 is listed as a Exmor rs sensor on the Wiki. Also in the mate 9 review on GSM arena. They wrote, that the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7.
I don't own the phone. But I'm considering buying it as a replacement for my HTC One M8. When i bought that, the camera wasn't a priority. But that is changed for my next purchase.
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Can you explain a bit how is it: "the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7." ? I'm interested in this phone but f:2.2 is more than the f:1.8 of P10 Plus. Anyway, i dont know how much can be the shutter speed in pro mode.

Loving my P10 Plus, The camera is amazing, Here are some of my photos.
http://imgur.com/a/bQIki
http://imgur.com/a/dNjy6
http://imgur.com/a/ftgPI
http://imgur.com/a/WCsBs

Unfortunately no. My OP3 had a lot of dust on the lens, inside (i had a lot of phones, this never happened with any...). So I sent it to the Service Center and... DHL lost it.
Anyway. I remember in auto mode OP3 was always 1/17 with ISO from 1000 to 3000+. Any movement turned into blur usually. Very annoying. Then they made some update and it was using 1/20 and lower ISO. Still blurry. Manual shots were slightly better, sometimes.
With P10, same living room, it does 1/17 to 1/25, ISO from 200 to 640. BUT no blur anymore, so most likely OP3 problem is the damn postprocessing. In manual mode, you can really catch the action. Outside, ISO goes to 50 in good light. Interesting, sometimes indoors the picture looks brighter than the reality in auto mode, but in a good way ☺
Greens are slightly fake sometime.
davebugyi said:
Would be interested in this as well. I have an OP3T and can't shoot my dog and nephew indoors.
I managed to test the P10 out in the store, and EXIF showed, that it uses faster shutter than the 3T indoors. Did not manage to shoot any people tough :/
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davebugyi said:
This sounds fantastic. Do you still have the OP3? Can you try to shoot some pics indoors abouth the same object with the two and tell the EXIF (details option in gallery) ? No need to post the pics, just the ISO, Shutter between the P10 and OP3.
Thank you.
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No editing.

vicusbass said:
Unfortunately no. My OP3 had a lot of dust on the lens, inside (i had a lot of phones, this never happened with any...). So I sent it to the Service Center and... DHL lost it.
Anyway. I remember in auto mode OP3 was always 1/17 with ISO from 1000 to 3000+. Any movement turned into blur usually. Very annoying. Then they made some update and it was using 1/20 and lower ISO. Still blurry. Manual shots were slightly better, sometimes.
With P10, same living room, it does 1/17 to 1/25, ISO from 200 to 640. BUT no blur anymore, so most likely OP3 problem is the damn postprocessing. In manual mode, you can really catch the action. Outside, ISO goes to 50 in good light. Interesting, sometimes indoors the picture looks brighter than the reality in auto mode, but in a good way
Greens are slightly fake sometime.
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Many thanks! I am getting mine and getting rid of the OP 3T on Tuesday. The OP is a fast and nice phone, but a lacks a decent allrounder camera.

SebastianAlejandro said:
Can you explain a bit how is it: "the phone is benefitting from the light input of both the sensors. So the f:2.2 apeture is actually f:1.7." ? I'm interested in this phone but f:2.2 is more than the f:1.8 of P10 Plus. Anyway, i dont know how much can be the shutter speed in pro mode.
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Hello Sebastian
This is a quote from the review on GSMArena:
"You'd argue that the f/2.2 aperture is quite dim by today's standards, to which Leica replies that you have two of those, so double the light. In effect that makes the aperture f/1.6 (2.2 divided by the square root of 2)."
http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_mate_9-review-1520p8.php
Also the arpeture on the plus model is still better, but not much
http://m.androidcentral.com/huawei-p10-vs-p10-plus-camera-comparison
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Thanks for sharing your beautifull pictures. It realy helps me to decide to buy this phone.

KyleGriffiths said:
Loving my P10 Plus, The camera is amazing, Here are some of my photos.
http://imgur.com/a/bQIki
http://imgur.com/a/dNjy6
http://imgur.com/a/ftgPI
http://imgur.com/a/WCsBs
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Love the photos. Have you used an older Huawei or Honor phone previously to the P10 Plus?

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What do you think of the camera?

I think the G2 still has the best camera by quite a margin if you know how to use it, and I haven't even tried 4k or other camera improvement mods. The only thing the HTC phones have on it is low light pictures, which I don't think most people do anyway.
The OIS helps a hell of a lot for someone like me that has a hand tremor that's really bad at times.
What's your opinion on the camera? I'd rather have my phone than a $200 point and shoot as long as I don't need to zoom.
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it's good under a lot of conditions, but very, very slow. Until you mod it. Then it's all around slick.
I've compared it to a Samsung Galaxy S4 and Lenovo Vibe Z camera (with f/1.8 lens) and both were less precise by a wide margin and frequently had pictures ruined by hand shaking.
The OIS doesn't just counteract the visible shaking; it reduces micro-shakes that blur your pictures without you noticing them. As a result the accuracy of this camera is about 3 megapixels higher than normal (my estimate).
All this being said, it's still a cellphone camera, so it has major flaws. It has only an f/2.4 aperture, which is mediocre for a high-end phone (though OIS counters it a bit by reducing subject-motion blur). Movement and low-light photos get ruined often. And I disagree that these aren't common conditions.
here's a quick demonstration and proof of the sharpness difference between Samsung Galaxy S4 and LG G2:
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the top pic is what the S4's pic looked like when it did NOT get blurred by hand shaking. most pictures turned out worse than that.
Didn't the OIS not only kick in for videos? Just saying... Sounds like placebo to me. I don't shake much usually, but I get a lot of blur pics...
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The stock camera is pretty good but I tried out Jishnu's cam mod and its great 4k is really beautiful though the 720p 120fps is very pixelated and imo not really usable. There's some features that are supposed to be included like HFR mode for front camera but I don't seem to have it for some reason.
nomad4ever said:
Didn't the OIS not only kick in for videos? Just saying... Sounds like placebo to me. I don't shake much usually, but I get a lot of blur pics...
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It works for video and picture.
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TheNetwork said:
I think the G2 still has the best camera by quite a margin if you know how to use it
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this should be posted on every page of every camera thread here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2441127
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2444609
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2607744
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2525655
mannequin said:
this should be posted on every page of every camera thread here.
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I second that
for me lg g2 has good camera and ios. lg g3 will better
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mannequin said:
this should be posted on every page of every camera thread here.
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Are there some tips to be shared?
I can get some seriously crisp photos and then crap for awhile.
I'm still all stock and the focusing is the worst I have ever experienced, no joke. Really.
Good at day, horrible at low light.
willowpc said:
Good at day, horrible at low light.
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I find it to be significantly better at low light than my Samsung phones were. HTC is definitely better at night but terrible at day. Sam used to black out completely when the light got even slightly dim. On my g2 it at least tries to get somewhat of a picture without relying on flash which makes pictures an ugly blue.
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TheNetwork said:
I find it to be significantly better at low light than my Samsung phones were.
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Thanks to optical stabilizer in G2 , I guess.
Can anyone compare it with the Nexus 5 camera experience?
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The g2 has a terrible camera. On a sunny day it works great but on an overcast day. Or around 6/7 pm when the sun is going down it's pure garbage. This camera take in almost no light. There's no reason why in my kitchen with my light on lets say a 5/10 brightness should pictures be almost black. On my lumia and iPhone 5s, hell even my iPhone 3gs the view finders were all still lit bright and pictures were taken basically how my eye saw them.
LG really screwed up on the camera . this phone would have been perfect if it wasn't for the poor view finder lag/low light . there should be no noise on a photo in reasonable light and there is no reason why an ISO of 200 produces a dark image indoors with dim lighting when my ancient iPhone 3gs takes a beter low light indoor shot . I hope the g3 is a better camera or I'm jumping back to Nokia and wp8.1
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heres an exampe of the terrible light intake of this phone. first image is on the lumai 920 in normal mode at 200 iso the second image is on the g2 in normal mode on 200 iso. itsblurry but thats notthe problem bother were taken at 730 ish am in the same spot , i just woke up please excuse the mess also this is daylight coming in from the window behind me the room light was off
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joeynox said:
The g2 has a terrible camera. On a sunny day it works great but on an overcast day. Or around 6/7 pm when the sun is going down it's pure garbage. This camera take in almost no light. There's no reason why in my kitchen with my light on lets say a 5/10 brightness should pictures be almost black. On my lumia and iPhone 5s, hell even my iPhone 3gs the view finders were all still lit bright and pictures were taken basically how my eye saw them.
LG really screwed up on the camera . this phone would have been perfect if it wasn't for the poor view finder lag/low light . there should be no noise on a photo in reasonable light and there is no reason why an ISO of 200 produces a dark image indoors with dim lighting when my ancient iPhone 3gs takes a beter low light indoor shot . I hope the g3 is a better camera or I'm jumping back to Nokia and wp8.1
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You really don't know nothing you're talking about. Fire up intelligent Auto mode and stop set iso to 200. G2 knows better what ISO it should make picture in. It has Snapdragon 800 under the hood which one is supposedly x1000 much smarter and x1000 times faster than your s****d brain :laugh:
Billy Madison said:
You really don't know nothing you're talking about. Fire up intelligent Auto mode and stop set iso to 200. G2 knows better what ISO it should make picture in. It has Snapdragon 800 under the hood which one is supposedly x1000 much smarter and x1000 times faster than your s****d brain :laugh:
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my IA is a dumb dumb. , the problem with IA is that the image will still have a high iso and have noise or be extremely soft. yes you are correct it will brighten the image but at the cost of image quality and noise.
joeynox said:
my IA is a dumb dumb. , the problem with IA is that the image will still have a high iso and have noise or be extremely soft. yes you are correct it will brighten the image but at the cost of image quality and noise.
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well, I see your point, you want stock camera to point-and-shoot and make descent pix. and I want stock player to play Adobe flash w/o any hassles. and someone want G2 to play music loud in stereo with BoomSound. That's why xda exists, there was not made a phone to be perfect from the box. maybe you may want to try some 3rd party cameras like http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.GoogleCamera or https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.almalence.opencam https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.almalence.hdr_plus

Low light

At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Essential Phone's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Disappointing.
BonkersTheClown said:
Disappointing.
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Even after all of the updates? Tried the google camera apk?
Yea, it's pretty bad compared to all other flagships or "flagship killers"
That's a bummer. I'm not surprised though, it's mostly been knocked for it's sub par camera.
It's weird cause some people seem to post some decent low light pics and others are pretty bad. Must just boil down to individual users.
The last camera update seems to have helped considerably with low light performance although the result isn't yet nearly as good as my Xperia Z5. This shot was taken just now in a room with a single 60w bulb - pretty good detail on a black dog on black comforter, not an easy subject. https://photos.app.goo.gl/VcVE3TbFmJm4DCCJ3
The camera during the day is fine and is equal to the pixel ported app. The camera at night is hit or miss. A dark room or darker room it will struggle bad. If it's a night shot out side and there are street lights or business signs there seems to be enough light for the camera to take a decent pic. I compared it to the honor 8. What I think the camera needs is a manual mode or something that allows you to control the lighting like the pixel camera. If it had that feature the camera would be good. It could also have a bit more sharpening too.
The video needs more light. Even with the pixel ported app the video is dark if you don't have good lighting, very grainy. Again a manual mode to control the light and more sharpening would do wonders for this camera.
I'm not saying it's great, but this was with the stock camera app taken from inside a car...
Xmas shots
Took a bunch last night. Where you see the same picture twice, is when I snapped the same pic with the Essential app and then the Gcam app. Strangely when I tried to up the brightness with the slider on the Essential app the results were terrible. Had to delete those pics. Point and shoot was the way to go.
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Took a bunch last night. Where you see the same picture twice, is when I snapped the same pic with the Essential app and then the Gcam app. Strangely when I tried to up the brightness with the slider on the Essential app the results were terrible. Had to delete those pics. Point and shoot was the way to go. "/>"/>"/>"/>"/>"/>"/>"/>"/>"/>"/>
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Which gcam APK are you having success with? I'm noticing that the essential camera app is taking overall better point and shoot pictures in my day to day use.
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Which gcam APK are you having success with? I'm noticing that the essential camera app is taking overall better point and shoot pictures in my day to day use.
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MGC_5.1.016_7.0+C2 found on the Google Cam thread here on XDA. How has the Essential app been in low light? I just noticed one or 2 where the Gcam was clearly better. Haven't tried indoors yet. Seems like camera issues are overblown IMHO. So far this camera is fine for my needs. And you can always use an editor which pros do for best results. clarity and detail seems to be there.
I grabbed mine from Sprint so for 145 no complaints! Even at 499 I would love this phone. Best Android I have ever had by far.
So happy to be free of Scamsung. Had to fire it up to pull some files off and it was lag,stutter,jank, crash as always......
Stocka camera vs iPhone 7 Plus
I really think that the Ph1 has good camera un low ligth conditions. I compared the stock camera vs iPhone 7 Plus of mine wife.
chris1871 said:
I really think that the Ph1 has good camera un low ligth conditions. I compared the stock camera vs iPhone 7 Plus of mine wife.
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So much noise and loss of detail though. Zoom in even slightly.
crixley said:
So much noise and loss of detail though. Zoom in even slightly.
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Take the same picture on an S9 or S9+ and you'll notice the difference
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Take the same picture on an S9 or S9+ and you'll notice the difference
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Take the picture on a disposable camera and you'll notice the difference lol. Plus I feel like he used flash
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Take the picture on a disposable camera and you'll notice the difference lol. Plus I feel like he used flash
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??? Agreed!
crixley said:
So much noise and loss of detail though. Zoom in even slightly.
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The photos were taking whitout flash and before the stock camera update. The camera ins't perfect but for the half of price of the iPhone 7 Plus, it´s ok. During the day the result is better than the iPhone 7 Plus.
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The photos were taking whitout flash and before the stock camera update. The camera ins't perfect but for the half of price of the iPhone 7 Plus, it´s ok. During the day the result is better than the iPhone 7 Plus.
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I owned a 7 plus and that is not true in the least. 7 plus blows it out of the water in every way camera wise.
The camera is alright at best. Regardless it is not a huge issue to me.
crixley said:
I owned a 7 plus and that is not true in the least. 7 plus blows it out of the water in every way camera wise.
The camera is alright at best. Regardless it is not a huge issue to me.
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I have the two phones and the photos with daylight have no differences, in low light iPhone 7 Plus is better.
Daylight (HDR mode)
PH1 https://photos.app.goo.gl/V2ZsqaqZVoGbRSec2
7 Plus https://photos.app.goo.gl/jLQKApR5SVq43JCM2
Low light (without flash and HDR mode)
PH1 https://photos.app.goo.gl/miNCaX88M1D3QAQ18
7 Plus https://photos.app.goo.gl/2GHam0XfcVUAVlsj2
The photos were taken at the same time and the result is PH1 equal to 7 Plus in daylight (I think better in PH1). In low light the result is different and 7 Plus is only better, not for much.
But show me a comparison of photos in the same conditions where the iPhone 7 Plus performs much better than the Essential PH1.

TOF sensor is nothing but a marketing scam

As the title of this thread says, the TOF sensor that Huawei told us is there for depth sensing especially in portrait photos is basically useless. Before getting this phone, I was wondering how can the P30 get almost identical edge detection to the ones on the P30 Pro, and also kept thinking about the fact that they were already great even in the Mate 20 Pro. I thought that well, when I get the phone, I'll test it myself and see if it has any real affect on portrait shots, and it doesn't. I took dozens of portrait pictures and portrait videos while covering the tof sensor with a bandaid, and recreated these same pictures without the bandaid, and the results were identical!!
Any P30 Pro owner, feel free to test it out, and you'll also come to the same conclusion that I got, which is that our P30 Pro's tof sensor is there for marketing purposes, and that it adds nothing to the table.
This doesn't affect the way I'll use my phone, as I am loving it, but it will definitely change the way I look at a company that is trying to deceive it's costumers.
For those who are interested in buying this device, send me your questions, and I will do my best to answer them.
I thought it wasn't implimented yet?
unibomber said:
I thought it wasn't implimented yet?
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I am interested to know where you read about that? I have seen dozens of reviews about it, and they all swear about how good the tof sensor is in separating people from the background.
What they have talked about, is that Huawei will work with app developers to make use of the tof sensor in future apps that measures height and stuff like that.
So basically you are saying that Huawei and all of the reviewers and all of the pictures and comparisons that are all over YouTube showing that the P30 Pro has great portrait mode are wrong? It's a scam and the pics are not actually better than the other phones? I don't care because frankly I've never taken one of those pics anyway as I prefer a realistic regular pic of a person or object, but I find it hard to believe it doesn't work when I've seen all the side by side comparisons and it seems to work quite well.
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So basically you are saying that Huawei and all of the reviewers and all of the pictures and comparisons that are all over YouTube showing that the P30 Pro has great portrait mode are wrong? It's a scam and the pics are not actually better than the other phones? I don't care because frankly I've never taken one of those pics anyway as I prefer a realistic regular pic of a person or object, but I find it hard to believe it doesn't work when I've seen all the side by side comparisons and it seems to work quite well.
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I see that reading comprehension isn't your thing?
Where did you see me question the quality of the pictures posted by reviewers? All I said that while edge detection is great, the tof sensor has nothing to do with it, at least in my testing.
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I see that reading comprehension isn't your thing?
Where did you see me question the quality of the pictures posted by reviewers? All I said that while edge detection is great, the tof sensor has nothing to do with it, at least in my testing.
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I must have missed the point of your post, yes. If the device produces great results I guess it doesn't really matter how it does it. Thanks for the info.
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I must have missed the point of your post, yes. If the device produces great results I guess it doesn't really matter how it does it. Thanks for the info.
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No it does matter, because Huawei is selling this phone as the one with a quad camera setup, and spent a good time in their keynote discussing how the tof sensor works.
And while it delivers great portrait shots, it isn't always the case, edge detection becomes inconsistent when there is a direct light source behind you.
But even if it was flawless, the results doesn't matter, what matters is that Huawei's marketing team is deceiving us into believing that we need this time of flight sensor.
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As the title of this thread says, the TOF sensor that Huawei told us is there for depth sensing especially in portrait photos is basically useless. Before getting this phone, I was wondering how can the P30 get almost identical edge detection to the ones on the P30 Pro, and also kept thinking about the fact that they were already great even in the Mate 20 Pro. I thought that well, when I get the phone, I'll test it myself and see if it has any real affect on portrait shots, and it doesn't. I took dozens of portrait pictures and portrait videos while covering the tof sensor with a bandaid, and recreated these same pictures without the bandaid, and the results were identical!!
Any P30 Pro owner, feel free to test it out, and you'll also come to the same conclusion that I got, which is that our P30 Pro's tof sensor is there for marketing purposes, and that it adds nothing to the table.
This doesn't affect the way I'll use my phone, as I am loving it, but it will definitely change the way I look at a company that is trying to deceive it's costumers.
For those who are interested in buying this device, send me your questions, and I will do my best to answer them.
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No too smart comment....Just read around on net before say many BS...Pls tank you!
...and the short story: ToF not active yet.Wait for update.
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No too smart comment....Just read around on net before say many BS...Pls tank you!
...and the short story: ToF not active yet.Wait for update.
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Oh trust me, I did my fair share of searching before posting this. Now, how about you do us a favor and show me links where Huawei says that the tof isn't activated as of right now? You're definitely mistaking it for them saying that they will open it for developers to use it in their apps.
I am a no youtuber, not an apple, Samsung or huwaei fan... I have S10 plus and P30 pro. The camera on p30 pro is just a hype created by people who got free Paris trip. Trust me, i did side by side comparisons on both phones in order to decide which one to keep. Well, p30 pro is better than S10+ only during night time pictures. I don't say it is bad during daytime, but i would not call it as a camera phone as others are reviewing it as. Zoom is good till 5x. It does loose image quality on 10x slightly.
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No too smart comment....Just read around on net before say many BS...Pls tank you!
...and the short story: ToF not active yet.Wait for update.
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Huawei and others pays some good dollars for having their hardware tested and benchmarked by DXO.
One would though they would mentioned that the ToF ain't active, yet.
Can you send some links.
As today the P30 seems to use the same bokeh technique as the P30
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As the title of this thread says, the TOF sensor that Huawei told us is there for depth sensing especially in portrait photos is basically useless. Before getting this phone, I was wondering how can the P30 get almost identical edge detection to the ones on the P30 Pro, and also kept thinking about the fact that they were already great even in the Mate 20 Pro. I thought that well, when I get the phone, I'll test it myself and see if it has any real affect on portrait shots, and it doesn't. I took dozens of portrait pictures and portrait videos while covering the tof sensor with a bandaid, and recreated these same pictures without the bandaid, and the results were identical!!
Any P30 Pro owner, feel free to test it out, and you'll also come to the same conclusion that I got, which is that our P30 Pro's tof sensor is there for marketing purposes, and that it adds nothing to the table.
This doesn't affect the way I'll use my phone, as I am loving it, but it will definitely change the way I look at a company that is trying to deceive it's costumers.
For those who are interested in buying this device, send me your questions, and I will do my best to answer them.
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Can you do the same test in darker conditions? One of the ToFs tricks is that it works in any light. If it's working at all you'll Se a pretty big difference when the camera tries to focus.
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Can you do the same test in darker conditions? One of the ToFs tricks is that it works in any light. If it's working at all you'll Se a pretty big difference when the camera tries to focus.
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Tested it out in all conditions, and I saw zero difference.
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I am a no youtuber, not an apple, Samsung or huwaei fan... I have S10 plus and P30 pro. The camera on p30 pro is just a hype created by people who got free Paris trip. Trust me, i did side by side comparisons on both phones in order to decide which one to keep. Well, p30 pro is better than S10+ only during night time pictures. I don't say it is bad during daytime, but i would not call it as a camera phone as others are reviewing it as. Zoom is good till 5x. It does loose image quality on 10x slightly.
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I pre-ordered the S10+ the moment it was announced, I got one for myself and one for my wife, and I was so disappointed by it's camera. It's a good shooter during the day, but it overexposes pictures and aren't as sharp as it's competition. Low light pictures were horrible, with terrible white balance, lots of noise, and soft details. The only thing that is saving the camera on the S10+ is the video recording, as it's second to none. As for images, my Note 9 was giving much more consistent images.
The P30 Pro on the other hand wipes the floor with the S10, doesn't matter which scenario you take a picture in, 9/10 times I am taking the P30 over the S10. I already compared both my P30 Pro with my wife's S10+(I already sold mine), and apart from video recording, the P30 Pro almost always comes on top.
As for the zoom, there is a trick to get extremely sharp images even when using 10x zoom, and that is done by using the night mode while zooming in. During daylight conditions, the benefits added when using night mode while zooming isn't that much, but at night or indoors is where you see the difference.
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I pre-ordered the S10+ the moment it was announced, I got one for myself and one for my wife, and I was so disappointed by it's camera. It's a good shooter during the day, but it overexposes pictures and aren't as sharp as it's competition. Low light pictures were horrible, with terrible white balance, lots of noise, and soft details. The only thing that is saving the camera on the S10+ is the video recording, as it's second to none. As for images, my Note 9 was giving much more consistent images.
The P30 Pro on the other hand wipes the floor with the S10, doesn't matter which scenario you take a picture in, 9/10 times I am taking the P30 over the S10. I already compared both my P30 Pro with my wife's S10+(I already sold mine), and apart from video recording, the P30 Pro almost always comes on top.
As for the zoom, there is a trick to get extremely sharp images even when using 10x zoom, and that is done by using the night mode while zooming in. During daylight conditions, the benefits added when using night mode while zooming isn't that much, but at night or indoors is where you see the difference.
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How would you compare the 1080p display with S10+. I feel i see pixels on p30 pro on Black text on white backgrounds during more brighter situations.
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How would you compare the 1080p display with S10+. I feel i see pixels on p30 pro on Black text on white backgrounds during more brighter situations.
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I already commented about that under the display real life reviews. It definitely lacks sharpness, and it feels like it's an old gen OLED panel. No matter how much you tune the display colors in the settings menu, the screen will still give you different color temperature depending on brightness. I feel like the dimmer it gets, the less sharper and more bluish it looks.
I knew that by jumping to the P30 Pro I would be losing a lot, but I took that risk because I wanted the better camera to take pictures of my kids. Do I miss the S10+? Absolutely. But, do I regret my decision to ditch it for the P30 Pro? Not one bit.
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I already commented about that under the display real life reviews. It definitely lacks sharpness, and it feels like it's an old gen OLED panel. No matter how much you tune the display colors in the settings menu, the screen will still give you different color temperature depending on brightness. I feel like the dimmer it gets, the less sharper and more bluish it looks.
I knew that by jumping to the P30 Pro I would be losing a lot, but I took that risk because I wanted the better camera to take pictures of my kids. Do I miss the S10+? Absolutely. But, do I regret my decision to ditch it for the P30 Pro? Not one bit.
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Good to hear. I did the same thing. Waiting for my P30 Pro to arrive and still using the S10+ - which I'm keeping either way. I use the S10 in FHD+ and not WQHD+ so I'm not driving for top specs anyway. I understand the P30 Pro will not be the "best" screen so I'm not coming in with big expectations. As long as it's in the ballpark with my OnePlus 6T I will be more than happy. Not really a fair comparison to try and put it against the Samsung display to be honest.
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Good to hear. I did the same thing. Waiting for my P30 Pro to arrive and still using the S10+ - which I'm keeping either way. I use the S10 in FHD+ and not WQHD+ so I'm not driving for top specs anyway. I understand the P30 Pro will not be the "best" screen so I'm not coming in with big expectations. As long as it's in the ballpark with my OnePlus 6T I will be more than happy. Not really a fair comparison to try and put it against the Samsung display to be honest.
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Even in 1080 mode, the S10's screen looks crisper than that of the P30 P30. But as I said, these are trades off that I am willing to take simply because of it's camera.
Lets not forget the Samsung S10 panels are THE best on the market - no one can match them - so anything else will be a step down...
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Lets not forget the Samsung S10 panels are THE best on the market - no one can match them - so anything else will be a step down...
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Yea, if like to see how the P30 Pro compares to my OnePlus 6T. I don't think the Samsung panel is a fair comparison.
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Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Photo quality is one of the worst I've seen on a smartphone. I'm way too disappointed, honestly pixel 2 camera beats the crap out of note 10 plus camera. Is it too much to ask for a good bokeh photo? I mean everyone is doing it great WITHOUT the TOF sensor. Does it even work on the phone? I felt like crying when I took my first image on the phone. One would expect the live focus would be matured by now but cheap Chinese phones give you better live focus effects. The wide angle is completely unusable, distorted (after enabling the correction) and grainy. The photo quality is garbage during all lighting conditions except daylight and outdoors. How did Samsung have the audacity to market it as a content creators phone?
I don’t have any of the problems that you mentioned. After your first photo, instead of crying you should have returned it immediately.
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Photo quality is one of the worst I've seen on a smartphone. I'm way too disappointed, honestly pixel 2 camera beats the crap out of note 10 plus camera. Is it too much to ask for a good bokeh photo? I mean everyone is doing it great WITHOUT the TOF sensor. Does it even work on the phone? I felt like crying when I took my first image on the phone. One would expect the live focus would be matured by now but cheap Chinese phones give you better live focus effects. The wide angle is completely unusable, distorted (after enabling the correction) and grainy. The photo quality is garbage during all lighting conditions except daylight and outdoors. How did Samsung have the audacity to market it as a content creators phone?
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I absolutely agree. My s10+ that I traded was a beast at night photos. Now my Note 10+ looks like pictures were taken from a laptop cam. So grainy and blurry at night or even during the day unless it's outside in a very nicely light place. Someone was saying some cases might cause this issue but I tried it without a case and no difference. Clearing cache and storage with rebooting does not help either. Mine is unlocked and the pictures were bad when i was on the U1 firmware and now I am t-mobile firmware and no difference. I am thinking about calling Samsung and asking for replacement. It seems this issue has been happening ever since the s8. A lot of complaints with the Note 9 too.
I feel regret for trading in my perfect s10+
I'm really not sure whether it's a faulty device or just very poor camera quality, but although sharp, my photos in ideal conditions come out lifeless and washed out enough that multiple people commented on it...And that's coming from OP6T, so not exactly huge expectations...I came here to see if it's the same for everyone, or if it's something to return the device for or if there's a software fix...
ok either i have another device and got scammed with note 10 +sticker on the box or something really wrong with your devices guys !!!
the photo and video quality is superb on this phone. the only area were my previous p30 pro shines over it is the night time and still very decent performer !
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I don’t have any of the problems that you mentioned. After your first photo, instead of crying you should have returned it immediately.
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Not a faulty hardware and had pre booked so cannot return. It's pure garbage that's all.
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I'm really not sure whether it's a faulty device or just very poor camera quality, but although sharp, my photos in ideal conditions come out lifeless and washed out enough that multiple people commented on it...And that's coming from OP6T, so not exactly huge expectations...I came here to see if it's the same for everyone, or if it's something to return the device for or if there's a software fix...
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Just the way it is. All the vloggers either have been bought off or they know jack**** about vlogging camera quality. They don't even know what they're doing half the time and the other half they just copy from each other. It could easily be fixed by good software.
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Not a faulty hardware and had pre booked so cannot return. It's pure garbage that's all.
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Just the way it is. All the vloggers either have been bought off or they know jack**** about vlogging camera quality. They don't even know what they're doing half the time and the other half they just copy from each other. It could easily be fixed by good software.
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Operator's technical problem
Not even a sample photo,Mouth complaining
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Operator's technical problem
Not even a sample photo,Mouth complaining
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Would love to, but XDA app says bad request when I try to attach an image.
I really do not know what device are the both complainers talking about, the camera is excelent, chinese cheap phones are by no means better than note's camera, so, only god knows what are you holding in your hands, or how you are using it
Takes great photos to me.
Most seem to havd hdr on. So moving shortly after taking a photo gives a blured photo. But other then that.
Great photos
Coming from a Pixel 3 XL (and previously a 2 XL), the overall image quality is a noticeable step down for me (Note10+ photos seem granier, blurrier, smudgier, etc.), but the versatility of the Note10+'s cameras are unmatched. The versatility alone is enough for me to sacrifice some image quality.
Video is a no contest. The Note10+ video capabilities puts the 3 XL to shame. However, Live Focus Video is atrocious and needs a lot of improvement.
Live Focus for portrait photos is mediocre at best. It softens way too much at the higher blur levels, to the point where the subject and background turn out smudgy and seem to 'melt' into one. Granted, I have taken a handful of good Live Focus photos, but the 3 XL's Portrait Mode is hands-down superior imho.
I have also noticed the shutter speed to be slightly slower on the Note10+ compared to the 3 XL, as I seem to capture more blurry shots of my 3yo son with the Note10+.
Quick question for everyone. Do you guys have HDR always enabled? I do, so I'm wondering if this is contributing to the slower shutter speed/lag.
Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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I agree completely
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Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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Exactly so
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Blaalad12 said:
Some of you guys must have clones because the camera on my Note 10 plus is superb! Plenty of comparison videos on youtube also where it gets praise! I cant say i see a big difference between this and the s10+ but theres no way in hell that its worse! You guys either got scammed or your devices are faulty!
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Agree... I keep doing more and more tests and honestly i am even impressed by photos in the dark with the normal (wide angle) lens..
However there is some stuff not working well, like portrait mode in the dark, too grainy, probably due to the apperture. Need to use wide angle lens for dark situations.
I find it amazing to read complaints but none posts examples about it with the settings used.
Perhaps it has something to do with Qualcomm's processing vs Exynos? It seems Exynos Note 10 people are happy with quality and at least one of the two people in this thread with image quality issue is using Snapdragon Note 10 plus
Mine, too me at least seems good. I have snapdragon version, and maybe it's just me coming from my note 8? Hopefully these come through clear... The night shot was just on regular mode
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The note 8 camera is indeed really good, this note10+ is just plain excellent, that's it

Question (RAW) Camera Sharpness Edge To Edge: S23U 50Mpx vs Canon M6 MKII - S23U lens does not resolve well from 50mpx and higher

Here is a simple test with a simple printed paper I did with my camera and the S23U, the situation of the camera is much worse than the S23 because of the ISO and because is using the complete frame in the shot, so you see complete edge to edge lens sharpness
M6 MKII: ISO 500 @ 22mm f/5.6, image occupy the entire frame to better check edge to edge sharpness, you can see edge to edge sharpness, its a pity greedy Canon discontinued this fantastic travel camera...
S23U: ISO 50 @ 50mpx, not possible to occupy the entire frame because of the distance it does not focus, so part of the frame is occupied and this could be an advantage to the S23U but it is not in practice because just moving a bit from the center it loses sharpness a lot and even worse detail because of the heavy noise correction.
Versions in REALRAW and PRO: EXPERTRAW pictures are much sharper than PRO... Come on Samsung, what are you doing?
I did not post the 12mpx shot because is not a fair comparison and in this phone having the 50mpx option who will shot in 12mpx when using the normal lens...
FRAMING USED FOR S23U
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The files are in the attachment for the size and you can make a comparison on your screen, is easy to see why a camera make a big difference, much better sharpness edge to edge, much better detail compare to the S23U because S23U apply heavy noise correction in its sensor and the quality of lens edge to edge of the S23U is by far really bad like any camera phone.
This is a very very simple comparison because to be fair we need to buy the target, even if I shoot with the phone when I don't have my camera, I prefer to do all my travel and home videos with the phone.
Why ISO 500 and not 100 it's native ISO?
The difference is even greater than shown here if so. This Canon lense? Pretty sharp as you can see on the interactive blur chart even on the edges at f/5.6, sweet. The Samsung can't match that...
blackhawk said:
Why ISO 500 and not 100 it's native ISO?
The difference is even greater than shown here if so. This Canon lense? Pretty sharp as you can see on the interactive blur chart even on the edges at f/5.6, sweet. The Samsung can't match that...
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Just wanted to do it at ISO 500 as worst case, at ISO 100 it will be even better.
I added more shots with a bigger target printed in laser to fill the frame of the S23U, the shot of M6mkII is at ISO 3200 (no noise reduction) and the 12mpx and 50mpx of S23U with EXPERTRAW, the lens of S23U are not able to resolve correctly 50Mpx moving a little out from the center, much worse in higher mpxs, so this camera at 200mpx is useless because of the lenses not able to resolve and the noisy sensor.
If you check the chart, at 50Mpx the lens resolves well in the center, moving a bit from the center aberrations start to appear.
At 12mpx the lens resolution is acceptable center to border, with much less aberrations compared to 50mpx but still we see the cheap glass used.
This is a nice test to do in any phone to understand if the phone brands are able to resolve the mpx they promote, in the case of Samsung is able to resolve 50mpx in the center only.
M6 was shoot at ISO 3200 without noise reduction and it destroys the S23U camera in any aspect and the difference is pretty big. (we didn't include color rendition here because the situation of S23U could be much worse)
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CONCLUSION: if you want to do simple point and shoots with low quality glass and a sensor with noticeable noise reduction, use the phone.
Right there, that looks the smudging effect seen on the S23U. It's present on the N10+ at times as well... generally more widespread in the image though.
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Right there, that looks the smudging effect seen on the S23U. It's present on the N10+ at times as well... generally more widespread in the image though.
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That could be caused by the noise reduction in the sensor because it has lot of noise, the pixel pitch of S23U is half of the size of the M6 sensor.
citytrader said:
That could be caused by the noise reduction in the sensor because it has lot of noise, the pixel pitch of S23U is half of the size of the M6 sensor.
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Odd it's just that one spot. Just saying... You start testing cams invariably it gets to be a pain rather than what it's suppose to be, a pleasure.
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Odd it's just that one spot. Just saying... You start testing cams invariably it gets to be a pain rather than what it's suppose to be, a pleasure.
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Correct and for the pleasure I have the M6, a real pleasure... everyone that likes photography should try a mirrorless DSLR in any brand they like to see the difference.
You and some others have mentioned realraw. Is this Samsung expert raw that is branded with some other name in other countries? I search for a realraw apk and couldn't find any so assuming it is expert raw you did your tests with?
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You and some others have mentioned realraw. Is this Samsung expert raw that is branded with some other name in other countries? I search for a realraw apk and couldn't find any so assuming it is expert raw you did your tests with?
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Is my mistake, is EXPERTRAW not realraw, I corrected the original post.
For the people that want check sharpness and to do their own testing printing the chart, I will attach the PDF that is better printed in A3 or around that size.
It almost seems like some (very few) people are trying to replace their main camera with a cell phone camera.... lol....
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It almost seems like some (very few) people are trying to replace their main camera with a cell phone camera.... lol....
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Honestly, it really depends on your needs. The best camera is the one you have with you.
I have a Canon R6 with a 70-200mm and other lenses but I definitely don't have this on me all the time while I have this phone with me at all times and so I still want to get the best out of it, hence why I also use a mix of stock cam 12mp, stock 50mp and GCAM.
Knowing the strengths and limitations of each tool / mode is how you can get better result. For example, using 50mp mode I frame more than I need so I can then crop and avoid part of the edge softness. Still end up with a file that's more detailed than the 12mp. For everyday though gcam 12mp is good enough.
But when I went to shoot at a friend's wedding of course the phone is out of the question and I used the R6. But when travelling and hiking, I challenged myself to travel light (got tired of carrying heavy gear around all the time) and managed to get very good results that did some very fine prints for our home. Again, I'm not selling my travel pictures online etc. So having the top quality isn't always necessary. In the end for social media sharing and small prints at home you should usually be fine with phone pictures.
It really depends on the intended purpose of your pictures (or willingness to carry heavy gear around) so I don't think it's fair to say that one is better than the other. In terms of pure quality of course dslr will win but there are many other considerations to be had.
Everyone knows a professional camera is going to take better pictures than any cell phone camera. So what's the point of all this? Nobody is gonna lug their main camera around with them everywhere they go. But the S23U does take greaat pictures at 12 mpx and with telephoto 3x and 10x. It also makes phone calls, has social media, stream movies and plays games which is something your DSLR will never be able to do. Nobody here bought the phone thinking they were getting a DSLR quality camera. I don't really give two chits because the phone does what its been designed to do. If you were expecting a DSLR in a phone well sorry you are disappointed because no phone cameras are ever going to match the quality of $5000 DSLR and lenses.
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R in a phone well sorry you are disappointed because no phone cameras are ever going to match the quality of $5000 DSLR and lenses.
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I agree with the point of PhilMorin, you can buy a new camera expending usd 700 with a weight of less than 600grs and a quality far superior than any phone, if you buy an used camera you pay much less...
There are lot of places that compares phone cameras with DSLR...
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I agree with the point of PhilMorin, you can buy a new camera expending usd 700 with a weight of less than 600grs and a quality far superior than any phone, if you buy an used camera you pay much less...
There are lot of places that compares phone cameras with DSLR...
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The heavier pro cams are better shooters; better and more handholds, more weight means more inertia and helps keep the cam steady, better control layout/controls and view finder. Pro cams are a joy to shoot with and it's a press pass in itself
Doubles as a weapon when in hand especially with a 70-200 f/2.8 on it.
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The heavier pro cams are better shooters; better and more handholds, more weight means more inertia and helps keep the cam steady, better control layout/controls and view finder. Pro cams are a joy to shoot with and it's a press pass in itself
Doubles as a weapon when in hand especially with a 70-200 f/2.8 on it.
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LOL! I'll try running before I start hammering at someone with that setup. Makes for quite an expensive weapon
PhilMorin said:
LOL! I'll try running before I start hammering at someone with that setup. Makes for quite an expensive weapon
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I've shot in Philly's bad sections. I hold it by the lens base next to my chest. Basically a 5# hammer. Rather slam it into someone's face than have it stolen. Jogging only works if you see them coming as they tend to be lazy
Had some bangers come up to me at a fair once. Turned out all they wanted to do is pose, that was interesting. Be friendly but be prepared...

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