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Hey guys, I'm returning from a recent trip to iPhoneland and I'm looking for the camera app that's closest to keeping up with the iPhone's camera.
I'm running cm11 and so far the best I've found is this one here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540030
This one takes a lot better pictures than the stock cm or the google camera from the play store, but it still lags behind the iPhone.
it's not about the camera app, it's about the hardware...
No camera app on LG G2 can match iPhone and/or Nokia just because of the camera hardware (sensor, lens,...) which is not that good on LG
To explore full benefits of LG camera hardware, you'll have to move to one of stock based roms and then try i.e. Xdabbeb camera...
60nine said:
it's not about the camera app, it's about the hardware...
No camera app on LG G2 can match iPhone and/or Nokia just because of the camera hardware (sensor, lens,...) which is not that good on LG
To explore full benefits of LG camera hardware, you'll have to move to one of stock based roms and then try i.e. Xdabbeb camera...
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Alright that's what I was kind of afraid of. I know that there is a limit to how good the camera is going to be but I was hoping I hadn't found it yet. There is a significant variation between the different camera apps I have tried. It's too bad we can't use the camera to its full potential on aosp based roms.
I would strongly disagree with what 60nine just said, but that's just me. The main issue is the stock "camera" app is kinda crappy and does way too much processing on the image data from the sensor. It's not the best image sensor that's ever been made, no, of course not, but it is quite a nice one especially with the OIS as part of the hardware.
Having said that, I personally use Mi2raw nowadays which allows me to capture pure raw image data from the G2 sensor and dumps it as a DNG (Adobe Digital Negative) file which I then transfer over to my laptop for editing/post processing using Photoshop.
If you want some examples of what the G2's camera is capable of, look here:
https://www.flickr.com/groups/[email protected]/pool/
You can find more info about Mi2raw (available on the Google Play Market, it's free) in the main thread for it and yes there's more pics too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g2/general/app-mi2raw-enables-capturing-real-raw-t2837089
Again, we're not dealing with the best image sensor ever made but I've been damned happy with the results I've been getting with my G2 because of Mi2raw (I just got this G2 like 3 weeks ago).
As far as other apps, I use Aviary (it was free a few days ago, with every single filter they had for free too so I grabbed it all and backed it up safely), PerfectlyClear which gave away their Android app for free last week (it's not too bad, actually), and Photoshop Express (which can load the DNG files directly on the G2 directly from Mi2raw for quick viewing).
There's also XCam LG which adds a lot of functionality to the G2 including giving it 4K video recording capability (just make sure to read the details in the thread):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2548974
XCam LG has a settings app to tweak it further located on the Play Market as well, it's worth the price if you need it.
For me personally I just use Mi2raw for most every picture I snap these days then do editing/PP work when I get back home, it's what works best for me at this time.
Hope this helps...
Try Cymera. It's free and has good editing tools. Drawbacks are that it takes a bit to load and is not too stable. It's the only camera app that focuses correctly and has a proper white balance!!!! The resolution is small 1 Megapixel?, but the image is sharper and better than any 13megapixel shot from other camera apps or stock.
Otherwise just take the stock LG camera app as a daily driver.
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I would strongly disagree with what 60nine just said, but that's just me. The main issue is the stock "camera" app is kinda crappy and does way too much processing on the image data from the sensor. It's not the best image sensor that's ever been made, no, of course not, but it is quite a nice one especially with the OIS as part of the hardware.
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why would you disagree if its known that iPhone and Nokia use way better sensor and lenses? (and i'm not an iphone fanboy, far from that )
i didn't say that LG hardware is crap - i'm just saying that it's no match to those two... or to say it better - "close but no cigar"
Nokia & iPhone give much better low light images than LG (partly due to better sensor, partly due to smaller f-stop lens number which lets more light onto the sensor)
for comparison
LG G2 has F/2.4 lens < iphone/nokia use F/2.2 lens (smaller the f-stop, more light comes in)
Having said that, I personally use Mi2raw nowadays which allows me to capture pure raw image data from the G2 sensor and dumps it as a DNG (Adobe Digital Negative) file which I then transfer over to my laptop for editing/post processing using Photoshop.
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i didn't mention mi2raw app on purpose because it's not for everyone... and since i'm a photo hobbyist and DSLR owner, it gives me a bit of real camera world in a mobile device...
and what i like about mi2raw (besides its raw capability) is that the photos taken with that app don't look "painted" or "blurred" because of too much noise reduction that other camera apps produce
mi2raw would be too complicated to use for an average user... but hey - it's free, and everyone can try it and see
everything else you wrote - i second...
+ Snapseed is an image app worth mentioning especially with its ambiance setting that gives an image a nice "bump" in every way if it's used correctly...
personally i'm currently "stuck" with mi2raw, xdabbeb's XCam (because of those extra options you mentioned) and google camera (because it's the best for panorama/sphere images)
cheers...
In my opinion the best camera so far has been the one with CloudyG3 ROM
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Thanks for the Mi2RAW suggestion, I'll check that out. I work with raws from my dslr but I don't know how badly I really need to have all my phone pictures shot as raw. I'll see how it goes
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In my opinion the best camera so far has been the one with CloudyG3 ROM
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which is basically a stock cam app that uses xdabbeb's advanced binaries (so it's pretty much the same as XCam, but Xcam gets updated by xdabbeb every now and then)
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Thanks for the Mi2RAW suggestion, I'll check that out. I work with raws from my dslr but I don't know how badly I really need to have all my phone pictures shot as raw. I'll see how it goes
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sometimes you just want that bit of extra image customization that raw offers
since you have dslr as well, you know what i'm on about
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which is basically a stock cam app that uses xdabbeb's advanced binaries (so it's pretty much the same as XCam, but Xcam gets updated by xdabbeb every now and then)
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sometimes you just want that bit of extra image customization that raw offers
since you have dslr as well, you know what i'm on about
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I did not know that thanks
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"a Better Camera" app is what I use on non stock Roms and it's very good. LG camera hardware is not that good? You make me laugh... Can IPhone camera record 4k?Does it have ois?
The only thing that iPhone is better at is the image processing. That's it. (period).
I use the G2's stock camera app on AICP. It's okay, but the images look washed out compared to my Optimus G.
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60nine said:
it's not about the camera app, it's about the hardware...
No camera app on LG G2 can match iPhone and/or Nokia just because of the camera hardware (sensor, lens,...) which is not that good on LG
To explore full benefits of LG camera hardware, you'll have to move to one of stock based roms and then try i.e. Xdabbeb camera...
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Bulsh*t of the month/year? :fingers-crossed: Only way to reveal the potencial of any and I mean ANY camera HW is to shoot RAW only! You can say Lg stock camera is bad and I will agree but not talk about HW whenn you didnt see pure RAW data. Just look at the samples I shot with the best android camera for photo enthusiasts: Mi2raw camera which is capable of capturing pure DNG files without freaky Lg jpeg engine, which is IMHO the worst I ever seen. I took indoor photos on ISO400-800 so dont blame the small sensor of more noise, no such a small sensor will perform any better. Still great results in todays mobile photography. Even Xdabbed camera which is great contribution cannot match results from RAW data and personal approach for photography. One minute for one photo and the results are uncomparable.
Anyone tried porting the Pixelmaster camera app from the various Asus Zenfones? It takes really incredible low light photos by reducing resolution to 2 megapixels and it is awesome (the only reason I fell envious of my brother's otherwise mediocre zenfone 5). Check here too, someone had plans of porting but not sure what happened to him since... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2712403
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Anyone tried porting the Pixelmaster camera app from the various Asus Zenfones? It takes really incredible low light photos by reducing resolution to 2 megapixels and it is awesome (the only reason I fell envious of my brother's otherwise mediocre zenfone 5). Check here too, someone had plans of porting but not sure what happened to him since... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2712403
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Why should I want 2Mpx photos from 13Mpx camera? From 13Mox->2Mpx I will do awesome photos too! 2Mpx=fullHD , 2160p=4K got it? Rather show us those amazing photos
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Why should I want 2Mpx photos from 13Mpx camera? From 13Mox->2Mpx I will do awesome photos too! 2Mpx=fullHD , 2160p=4K got it? Rather show us those amazing photos
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again. it takes normal pics at full resolution, then there is a night mode which takes very very nice pics in dark situations at full resolution (better than almost any other phone out there) and then there is a special night mode that reduces pic resolution to 2 megapixels, but boy those night pics are the best I have ever seen.... Check this for example. and no worries about zenfone 5 camera being 8 megapixels. the zenfone 6 has 13 and same software...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_TPqwDYStI
so you still live in a world where more megapixels mean better images?
i.e. see why HTC went for lower mpx in its flagship devices...
about my "bullsh*t of the year"... do some reading and know some basics of the digital photography...
i never said that LG G2 camera is bad, read my post again & read hardware tech specs of the other devices...
i like the mi2raw app very much (see my posts there in the app thread) - it's the best thing that happened to this device considering the camera/photo...
and i think LG G2 camera hardware can do much more - especially on the strange "painted like" image compression effect which i hate so much...
i'd say - LG G2 is close, but no cigar
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Bulsh*t of the month/year? :fingers-crossed: Only way to reveal the potencial of any and I mean ANY camera HW is to shoot RAW only! You can say Lg stock camera is bad and I will agree but not talk about HW whenn you didnt see pure RAW data. Just look at the samples I shot with the best android camera for photo enthusiasts: Mi2raw camera which is capable of capturing pure DNG files without freaky Lg jpeg engine, which is IMHO the worst I ever seen. I took indoor photos on ISO400-800 so dont blame the small sensor of more noise, no such a small sensor will perform any better. Still great results in todays mobile photography. Even Xdabbed camera which is great contribution cannot match results from RAW data and personal approach for photography. One minute for one photo and the results are uncomparable.
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Because of RAW the G2 is one of the top android cameras, that is true. However, the flagship Lumia devices also shoot RAW.
Yes I know, iphone can shoot RAW too, so android is behind somehow...
60nine: Ive read everything you've written, thats why I had to react. I know a lot about photography, HW a more, so Im OK. Thanks. And about pixels, even 8Mpx iphone camera is worse than 16Mpx SGN4 camera so give me a break...HTCs cameras are the worst from the biggest flagship manufacturers. HTCs cameras lags of detail and lost every shootout with competition. And I will tell you something, you will need at least 2160p for viewing on upcoming 4K display devices...so now the pixels matters. I know that more pixels suffers from dynamic range and more noise, but it will be hidden in more Mpx photo with good postprocess. So if you find comparison between IP6 and LG G2 in RAW at same settings and same scene and IP6 will be better, youll have my respect and appologies.
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i won't bother answering to a person who thinks more mpx means better images (on a same sized sensor), so cheers...
raw is not for an average users anyway
Hi,
Has anyone found a working Google Camera mod for Mate 20 Pro? Need HDR+ and Portrait.
I have been searching the the Mate 10 thread, but haven't found anything for Mate 20 Pro, guess due to the different processor and Android verison.
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yarmun
That would be soooooo great if some1 could make a working mod for it. The camera modules on the Mate 20 Pro are really capable, but the ****ty software screws up most of the pictures. It's a huge drawback it's not available in the U.S., but hopefully some is ultra dedicated on this topic
Oh yes we need this!
Selfies with my OP3 on gCam still way better than with the mate 20 pro.
This is not a One Plus phone. There is no reason to use the Gcam mod on any phone that has a good camera app. It's necessary to use the Gcam mod on One Plus phones because the software coding on One Plus phones is inept and literally the only way you can take decent pictures on a One Plus phone is to use the Gcam mod.
On phones by Huawei, Samsung, Xiaomi and even Oppo (the parent company of One Plus) the native camera apps take much better pictures than the Gcam Mod because they are coded for the hardware on their respective phone models. The Gcam mod is not and never can be regardless of how many settings you tweak.
I have owned Nexus and Pixel phones and the Gcam mod doesn't take Pixel quality photos on any non-Pixel phone. It just makes One Plus owners feel better about owning a $600 phone with thoroughly inept software coding.
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This is not a One Plus phone. There is no reason to use the Gcam mod on any phone that has a good camera app. It's necessary to use the Gcam mod on One Plus phones because the software coding on One Plus phones is inept and literally the only way you can take decent pictures on a One Plus phone is to use the Gcam mod.
On phones by Huawei, Samsung, Xiaomi and even Oppo (the parent company of One Plus) the native camera apps take much better pictures than the Gcam Mod because they are coded for the hardware on their respective phone models. The Gcam mod is not and never can be regardless of how many settings you tweak.
I have owned Nexus and Pixel phones and the Gcam mod doesn't take Pixel quality photos on any non-Pixel phone. It just makes One Plus owners feel better about owning a $600 phone with thoroughly inept software coding.
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Simply not true. I have an S8+. GCam mod takes way better photos.
Not even the best example here, but guess which one was shot using Samsung's camera app, and which GCam mod. Lighting aside, one shot captured way more details than the other. More or less same ISO (50-60).
https://photos.app.goo.gl/mLVT93ypdsNUfWdz5
https://photos.app.goo.gl/hQYHGot4ijxrdrVk7
Samsung's camera app is indeed smoother and faster at taking the shots tho. But I always switch to GCam when I'm capturing still life.
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Simply not true. I have an S8+. GCam mod takes way better photos.
Not even the best example here, but guess which one was shot using Samsung's camera app, and which GCam mod. Lighting aside, one shot captured way more details than the other. More or less same ISO (50-60).
https://photos.app.goo.gl/mLVT93ypdsNUfWdz5
https://photos.app.goo.gl/hQYHGot4ijxrdrVk7
Samsung's camera app is indeed smoother and faster at taking the shots tho. But I always switch to GCam when I'm capturing still life.
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If you say so. Samsung is known for having one of the best Android camera apps but I'm sure a ported GCam app that wasn't made for your phone takes much better pictures.
I owned a $200 Samsung J3 that took better pictures than the $600 OP5 & 5T which is why the GCam threads for One Plus phones have hundreds of posts.
GCam threads for phones like the Mate 20 Pro never attract more than a handful of posts because there is no reason to use a GCam mod.
The Mate 20 Pro launched a month and a half ago and yours is the first post I remember seeing about using the ported GCam app.
also waiting for this.
Gcam's HDR+, night sight, selfie, topshot on mate20pro would be insane!!
Me too would be great if someone could port it
Latest one by Arnova works but only for front camera and picture quality is bad like its not even using Google's software tweaks and just using the camera api.
Gcam required here too to eliminate the oil painting cartoon effect.
This is very necesary, for mode portrait. Thanks!!
just one question: doesn't gcam only use one lens?
Found a thread somewhere with people pointing out that some of the older Gcam versions actually work with the M20P. You can find them e.g. At Apkmirror (the linked one ist the one that actually works)
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/camera/camera-4-2-035-141213305-release/#downloads
Credit to those who found this first, I'm just reposting something others found out and can't recall where I found it.
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s3axel said:
Found a thread somewhere with people pointing out that some of the older Gcam versions actually work with the M20P. You can find them e.g. At Apkmirror (the linked one ist the one that actually works)
https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/camera/camera-4-2-035-141213305-release/#downloads
Credit to those who found this first, I'm just reposting something others found out and can't recall where I found it.
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But they don't have portrait mode right? :/
It will be good to make gcam port for super wide angle like for LG G6 and G7.
Is there any HDR+ Gcam port for Huawei mate 20 pro? It honestly is the only feature I would need as apart from the image processing huawei's native camera app does everything pretty well (portrait mode for example)
HDR works really good on mp20.. try HDR mode..
Huawei should provide manual configuration options for HDR. I am not comfortable with AI. Another disappointment is that there is no option for dynamic control of ISO and brightness/saturation/contrast setting for video in pro mode. Huawei, please make everything configurable.
Itaintrite said:
Simply not true. I have an S8+. GCam mod takes way better photos.
Not even the best example here, but guess which one was shot using Samsung's camera app, and which GCam mod. Lighting aside, one shot captured way more details than the other. More or less same ISO (50-60).
https://photos.app.goo.gl/mLVT93ypdsNUfWdz5
https://photos.app.goo.gl/hQYHGot4ijxrdrVk7
Samsung's camera app is indeed smoother and faster at taking the shots tho. But I always switch to GCam when I'm capturing still life.
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It is true. The GCAM mods are awful and result in slow photo taking, scewed white balance. Google Pixel 3 is no where near as good as the Mate 20 Pro for photos or video and I have both. Still struggling to sell the Pixel as no one wants them.
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jizang said:
But they don't have portrait mode right? :/
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Why on earth would you want googles portrait mode? The edge detection is worse than a five year old's drawings.
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on earth would you want googles portrait mode? The edge detection is worse than a five year old's drawings.
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For some reason I can't get a Pic with bokeh effect on front camera I don't know why
Let's get a thread started to discuss the problems, and hopefully SOLUTIONS for two specific issues reported in many early release Huawei P30 Pro's.
First is a very noticeable RED TINT to the video produced on the P30 Pro and the second is STUTTER & LAG (seen mostly while panning).
Do you have this problem or is your phone fine? Do third party apps solve the issue? Is the issue software or hardware? Do recent updates solve the problem? Could this simply be an issue with pre-release software in some early videos?
Let's discuss & troubleshoot.
We need video samples (good or bad) from real people with the phone!!
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Hopefully someone can provide a 4K video recorded with Open Camera set at max bitrate, with panning and moving objects.
Stumbled upon another fairly honest clip which does mention these problems, but also clearly notes things look lot less saturated when recording with wide lens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6LtcH8724&feature=youtu.be&t=336
For comparison, here are bitrates from S10:
With the H.264 codec, the [email protected] videos are captured at 72Mbps bitrate, the [email protected] - 48Mbps, the [email protected] - 28Mbps, and the [email protected] - 14Mbps.
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Hopefully someone can provide a 4K video recorded with Open Camera set at max bitrate, with panning and moving objects.
Stumbled upon another fairly honest clip which does mention these problems, but also clearly notes things look lot less saturated when recording with wide lens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6LtcH8724&feature=youtu.be&t=336
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I saw that as well. The wide angle does not seem to suffer the same oversaturated picture. Does that mean it's hardware? I assumed this is probably software related. If it's software then third party apps could be a solution.
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I would really like to see some video samples from someone on the .124 update. A lot of the video we are seeing from Paris is pre-release software. If someone can post some video panning and of people, to see if the red skin tones exist it would be great.
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EricMartinSoCal said:
I would really like to see some video samples from someone on the .124 update. A lot of the video we are seeing from Paris is pre-release software. If someone can post some video panning and of people, to see if the red skin tones exist it would be great.
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Hmmm, this 4K video does not look that bad. It's from a Croatian review site, which is usually pretty honest in their reviews. Yes, there is some jerkiness and saturation, but it does not look horrible. I'm leaning towards this being more of a software issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-t5t4vXnaI
This also looks better (not great, but better) than TechTablets video test. Perhaps it's the new update?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVzAT-SoKuE
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This also looks better (not great, but better) than TechTablets video test. Perhaps it's the new update?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVzAT-SoKuE
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Too bad he didn't upload 1440p or 4K. He has few other videos there as well, not bad, not great, image stabilization seems a bit shaky sometimes.
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WM_Rizzo said:
Hmmm, this 4K video does not look that bad. It's from a Croatian review site, which is usually pretty honest in their reviews. Yes, there is some jerkiness and saturation, but it does not look horrible. I'm leaning towards this being more of a software issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-t5t4vXnaI
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His other videos are nice, this shows 5x video, I like it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yotUrvKQR4M
Sadly everything is 1080p again with lots of youtube overcompression. Interestingly he also has a lot of S10+ samples of the same locations.
EDIT: he has a few S10+ 4K videos there but none for P30 Pro.
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The image shakes every now and then, kind of wobbles like some kind of distortion, it's probably software issue with image stabilization and also colors seem way off, like everything was red: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA3fcyG9j6M
The same looks fine on S10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV29PdjSsX8
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This also looks better (not great, but better) than TechTablets video test. Perhaps it's the new update?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVzAT-SoKuE
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I am hoping that some people with the .124 update can check on their color accuracy. It's possible that the update included fixes - it would explain why some seem to be unaware of the issue entirely.
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I am also planning on using FiLMiC Pro since I can manually edit the saturation, red level etc. I understand it's not for everyone because it costs about $30 to get all the options but I'm interested to see of that gives me a 'work around' on some of the video issues. When I get my P30 Pro next week I'll be sure to update. Hopefully there will be a solution from Huawei by then and a professional video app will not be needed to produce great shots!
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Update: I have had several people report that their video quality is "excellent" and does not exhibit the issues we have been discussing. Perhaps the .124 update was a solution? It would be nice if Huawei (or anyone for that matter) would detail what specific improvements are contained in their updates. You would think they would want to disseminate the information to the public as fast as possible!
Can someone with the .124 update tell us if the issue is resolved?
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We need to see examples, some people will never see the problem in the first place. You won't believe me but I have friends who can not tell a difference between 720p and 1080p, when it's obvious to you, frustrating...
There's no red tint on 124. None that i notice anyways. When does it occur ? Indoors, at night, all the time ? Panning has some slight stutters at times if you move it too fast. Feels like the stabilization can't keep up with the horizontal swivel.
Here is the same scene, daylight:
With red tint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yotUrvKQR4M
without: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBEC1Bd1yqk
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Here is the same scene, daylight:
With red tint:
without:
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Same phone? What did you changed?
schriss said:
Here is the same scene, daylight:
With red tint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yotUrvKQR4M
without: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBEC1Bd1yqk
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Yes. I can see it in the steps immediately. Are you showing the difference between phones with the .124 update and prior to the update? Or are you showing us two different phones on the same software? What is different, because that pretty well suggests a fix.
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The one without if from a S10+ it seems.
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Same phone? What did you changed?
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Different phones but same location same time, to make it easier for testers to spot red tint, show what it looks like compared to no-tint video.
I do not know if the tinted video is before or after firmware update.
I think red tint goes away when he zooms in 5x.
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Different phones but same location same time, to make it easier for testers to spot red tint, show what it looks like compared to no-tint video.
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Oh damn. I thought you fixed it on the P30 Pro. What other phone was used? S10?
Yes the issue will not be on the other lenses. It's a problem with the main camera. My guess is the RYYB turns out to be a bad match to the way Huawei has the saturation - specifically red levels pre-set. So a 3rd party video camera app may solve if it allows me to adjust. This would be an easy fix for Huawei if they pushed an update that turns down saturation, but it don't know if they can do that for only one camera?
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Different phones but same location same time, to make it easier for testers to spot red tint, show what it looks like compared to no-tint video.
I do not know if the tinted video is before or after firmware update.
I think red tint goes away when he zooms in 5x.
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Yes red tint will go away if you use the wide or telephoto lens cause they use different sensors,but the problem is with the spectrum sensor that Huawei decided to ditch the green pixels for a yellow one that's why the red tint occur.
Hi All
I just picked up the Oppo 10x zoom for a very decent price. Hadn't been specifically considering it but wanted a good, flexible camera and everything else is so expensive now. I knew that the phone didn't support saving RAW files in the camera app but thought it was worth the trade off given its low price. I'm coming from an LG G6.
I've installed Gcam and this does seem to provide RAW with the main lens, but to get the wide and telephoto lenses would require me to root, which I am not prepared to do (and even then I don't know if there are any configs that would allow using them anyway). I should say that I am not 100% sure this is true raw, although it saved as a .dng file.
I assume that Oppo doesn't intend to add this feature in the future because they would already have done so. But, I thought it might be worth asking: does anyone know if they might? I presume this hasn't been added with ColorOS 7? (I believe that the Find X2 Pro supports RAW for example).
Many thanks and hope everyone is doing well in this strange times.
Charley
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Hi All
I just picked up the Oppo 10x zoom for a very decent price. Hadn't been specifically considering it but wanted a good, flexible camera and everything else is so expensive now. I knew that the phone didn't support saving RAW files in the camera app but thought it was worth the trade off given its low price. I'm coming from an LG G6.
I've installed Gcam and this does seem to provide RAW with the main lens, but to get the wide and telephoto lenses would require me to root, which I am not prepared to do (and even then I don't know if there are any configs that would allow using them anyway). I should say that I am not 100% sure this is true raw, although it saved as a .dng file.
I assume that Oppo doesn't intend to add this feature in the future because they would already have done so. But, I thought it might be worth asking: does anyone know if they might? I presume this hasn't been added with ColorOS 7? (I believe that the Find X2 Pro supports RAW for example).
Many thanks and hope everyone is doing well in this strange times.
Charley
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With the 10xz being capable of RAW photography, I can't see any reason why Oppo don't implement it in their camera software as it is using camera2.api
It's a bit embarrassing that the awful GCam supports it and Oppo camera doesn't. If it did, it would certainly make it one the the best Android camera systems
moozer said:
With the 10xz being capable of RAW photography, I can't see any reason why Oppo don't implement it in their camera software as it is using camera2.api
It's a bit embarrassing that the awful GCam supports it and Oppo camera doesn't. If it did, it would certainly make it one the the best Android camera systems
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I can understand why Oppo might want to limit RAW support to the 'Expert' mode, but there doesn't seem to be a good reason to not allow it at all. Especially given the photo-focused nature of the camera. I know that RAW files out of phones can sometimes look really bad because the phone makes so many changes to the image data from the sensor when it creates the final jpeg. But I am prepared to make those adjustments myself.
I updated to the c.27 ColorOS 7 update last night and they have made some nice layout changes to the camera app - I am particularly pleased with the move to a 5x rather than a 6x zoom step. So, they are still investing some time in supporting the 10x Zoom.
On GCam, the RAW file produced is not recognised by my desktop editing programme, DXO Photolab 3, but Snapseed on the phone does seem to recognise it as a proper .dng RAW file. Regardless, I would have thought OPPO itself could enable RAW properly - perhaps include it with an update to allow video recording from all three lenses (which again must be technically possible because it can be done in the developer debugging mode).
For what it's worth I contacted Oppo UK to ask about adding RAW file support to the 10x Zoom. They replied really quickly, which was good. They said they would feed this back to relevant people, which is all one can expect. But I think it's worth giving the feedback anyway.
Cattex said:
For what it's worth I contacted Oppo UK to ask about adding RAW file support to the 10x Zoom. They replied really quickly, which was good. They said they would feed this back to relevant people, which is all one can expect. But I think it's worth giving the feedback anyway.
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It's a step.
Yep.
I've been doing some more experimenting with the RAW files. An easier way to get a .DNG file is to use Open Camera (or a number of others do the same thing) - this doesn't require installing from a .APK like GCam.
Snapseed seems to see these as true RAW files and the ones from Open Camera are the a much larger file size than the jpegs (~22mb). I've tried editing a couple and they do seem to give the kind of latitude I would expect with a RAW file (given its a phone sensor). Again only with the main camera. This is of some use if you want to do things like B&W conversions as this should be better quality going from RAW to a B&W jpeg then using the camera's B&W filter or converting a colour jpeg to B&W. It might also be useful if you want to bring out the shadows or try and save highlights, I would expect results to be slightly better than the phone's auto settings. But, this may not be by much, and may not be worth the hassle of RAW. What's probably more useful is tweaking the image's colours and sharpness to suite your taste for important photographs.
What I am not clear on:
The .DNG files are not recognised by DXO Labs 3 - which they should be if they were true .DNG files. I've even tried converting them with Adobe's DNG converter, but still no luck. This makes me suspicious.
The .DNG files are saved as 12mp files, so they have been through the pixel binning process. I don't know when Oppo applies the conversion from pixel-binned file to jpeg. If it goes 48mp RAW -> 48mp jpeg -> pixel binned 12mp jpeg, then these can't be true RAW files. If it's 48mp RAW -> 12mp pixel-binned RAW -> 12mp jpeg, they could be.
It is frustrating though that the tele and wide sensors are not available to the Camera2 API. Especially as I think the Oppo Find X2 Pro's telephoto sensor is the same as the 10x zoom's and does allow RAW.
I'll continue to play around and put any significant finds in this thread.
I managed to make RAW photos with FreeDCam. - https://f-droid.org/en/packages/troop.com.freedcam/
FreeDCam seems to support all 4 cameras, so you can also make raw photos with the telephoto lens for example.
Unfortunately I did not managed to take photos with 48M pixels, yet.
It is opensource, so maybe 48M pixel support could be added. Unfortunately, again, I do not have time to do so right now...
Hi, I notice that whenever I use my front camera, especially on messager. the quality is so low or blurry. Is anyone experiencing this?
Me too its even worse than my old oneplus 6 , I'm very disappointed
Same, I don't know why the GT 2 Pro has a really bad front cam. My old Xiaomi Mi 9T can do better do. The front cam of the GT 2 Pro has a very smudgy look which I don't know if it's because of the software or something else.
I recently got the phone and notice this too when taking pictures of items with lettering. It is not as sharp. My old Huawei P10 was better.
Is there anything to do about this? Would installing GCam improve this?
tcc13 said:
Is there anything to do about this?
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Yes, get another phone. Selfie camera is below average - in every review you can read this.
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Would installing GCam improve this?
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Yes, it will improve, but not significantly. It makes sense especially for the main camera.
all software related, the front sensor is actually amazing. I get amazing results using third party apps.
dick_vigarista said:
all software related, the front sensor is actually amazing. I get amazing results using third party apps.
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Care to share those 3rd party apps
tcc13 said:
Care to share those 3rd party apps
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Free you can use open camera, it supports 4k on front camera and has camera2api support, and some gamma curves that helps a lot. But if you want amazing quality you can get mcpro24fps that supports 4k, 10bit color depth, HDR HGL profile recording, lots of gamma curves and gamuts, you can get front camera footage out of it that will make anyone think you using a professional camera if you know how to use them properly. Other option is motioncam pro that records full RAW DNG frames witch is crazy hi quality but very hard to use and extremely heavy to deal with. So my recommendation is mcpro24fps, and for photos gcam off course. If you don't use gcam in any android device you just crazy.
This video is from the front camera with mcpro24fps:
I can take a shot on full blow clear sky and sun tomorrow if you want to see the great dinamic range you can get
Wow, that is from the selfie lens? Amazing!!
mcpro24fps is in the google play store correct?
Is 8.4 the latest GCam? If so where is the best place to download the apk?
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Wow, that is from the selfie lens? Amazing!!
mcpro24fps is in the google play store correct?
Is 8.4 the latest GCam? If so where is the best place to download the apk?
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Yep, thats selfie camera, as I said.....amazing sensor but terrible Realme software.
Yes, mcpro24fps is on play store
For gcam go on the telegram realme gt2 pro gcam group you can find everything there.
Attaching here an example of the front camera dinamic range with proper software, not the stock camera blow out **** they provide.
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I modified the AGC cam. The original source is: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-BigKaka/f/dl9/
Modification:
- Changed package name so Realme GT2 Pro exposes all lenses
- Added settings option which pops up if you long click on app icon on your launcher
If the app is crashing enter the settings via long click on app icon and change the Device Interface for all lenses. E.g. to "Pixel 2 XL (Taimen)".
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Added base config. You need to unzip file before use.
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I have very nice results with this one mode.
tcc13 said:
mcpro24fps is in the google play store correct?
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yes
Wow, $23CAD for mcpro24fps
That dynamic range is crazy... So good.
tcc13 said:
Wow, $23CAD for mcpro24fps
That dynamic range is crazy... So good.
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Yeah, try doing the same in the stock camera , you gonna look like a nuclear bomb exploded, I really never even bother opening the stock camera app, it makes me mad to see a good sensor wasted with this Realme software. Just the fact that front camera is capped at 1080 for no reason drives me crazy already.
I think the app is worth every penny. The developers are also amazing, just a while ago there was no support for 10bit HDR on the app for the gt2 pro, I asked about it on the official app telegram group and in one week they added support
dick_vigarista said:
Yeah, try doing the same in the stock camera , you gonna look like a nuclear bomb exploded, I really never even bother opening the stock camera app, it makes me mad to see a good sensor wasted with this Realme software. Just the fact that front camera is capped at 1080 for no reason drives me crazy already.
I think the app is worth every penny. The developers are also amazing, just a while ago there was no support for 10bit HDR on the app for the gt2 pro, I asked about it on the official app telegram group and in one week they added support
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Did you find presist.img from device ?
Because i need the same image
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Did you find presist.img from device ?
Because i need the same image
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You need to buy the calibration tool and calibrate it yourself, there is no other way to fix it that I know