I know about the DTS surround capabilities that LG added to the newer firmware for the V30 (still running stock Oreo here but it's rooted with Magisk), and I've been doing research into Dolby Atmos which I know is available as a port for Oreo as well.
I'm curious to know if anyone else has attempted to get it installed or they were successful and what they think of it in actual use with perhaps movie playback (local on the device or streamed with Netflix/etc).
I know it's not going to really do much for me overall but since I do tend to do almost all my audio monitoring with smartphones by wearing headphones (Sony V6, Koss PortaPros and KSC-75 earclips, Monoprice 9927 IEMs which are amazing for the $8 I paid for 'em, etc) I'm still interested in seeing if there's anything actually going on in terms of watching movies and noticing some actual "surround" like effects instead of the simple pure 2-channel stereo playback aspects.
If anyone has any experience with installing that Dolby Atmos port on their V30 - regardless of the ROM but I presume it's got to be at least Android 8.0 Oreo based - I'd love to hear...errr... read your opinions.
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I know about the DTS surround capabilities that LG added to the newer firmware for the V30 (still running stock Oreo here but it's rooted with Magisk)
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Don't mean to hijack your thread but since you mentioned DTS surround sound... I can't remember whether you used the US998 TWRP-flashable zip or you clean flashed from latest KDZ. Just want to make sure you do indeed have the DTS interface in your Settings/Sound section. Most of the recent TWRP-flashable zips already have it enabled, but if you clean flash from stock KDZ you'll have to do it yourself (even if you have root).
Also did you install the Anxious V30 module yet? That definitely enables DTS, as well as installs the DTS Equalizer, and gives you dual speaker mode and improved stock camera (from G7/V40).
Yes, I have the extended menu in the Sound settings, and yes enabling the DTS does offer some noticeable alteration in the sound stage when listening, but it ain't Dolby Atmos obviously and it's not really a DTS surround type decoder capability. I suppose when I said "DTS surround" I pooched it from the gitgo 'cause it ain't actually doing any surround decode actions, just altering the sound stage from what I can hear which isn't the same thing (at least to me, obviously).
And yes, I installed the DTS equalizer separately, I haven't bothered with that Anxious module because it doesn't interest me.
I've heard so many good things about Dolby Atmos for Headphones (pun very much intended) but to this day I still have not actually heard any device with that working properly. My laptop has a decent Realtek HD audio chip in it (ThinkPad W540), and with the latest drivers, and of course there's the Dolby Atmos for Headphones app on the Microsoft Store which offers a 14 day trial but I've attempted multiple times to get that damned thing to work and it just never does. I don't know what the issue is, but there are nothing but complaints about that on Windows 10 and out of thousands of complaints I've seen like 3 people say they got it working properly.
So while I don't have an issue forking over $15 for some decent surround audio processing that is cool and makes things on my laptop - or my phone, doesn't matter - actually more interesting (note I'm careful not to say something stupid like "make it sound better"), I'm not going to pay for some add-on or software that doesn't actually work at all even if they do offer a refund because of issues getting it functional.
So this Dolby Atmos for Oreo is something I'm definitely interesting in attempting to get functional. I know there is technically a DTS X for Headphones but the DTS support in LG's firmware is *not* that so yes, I'm still wondering about the Dolby Atmos potential.
But thanks for the response just the same. I still haven't attempted to get Lineage on my V30 yet because the instructions I found for the H931 converted model are not quite as clear as I like so, I'll be waiting till someone responds to the post/question I asked in that other thread related to that particular aspect. I do want to see how Lineage runs on this V30, however, so at some point I presume I'll figure it out.
br0adband said:
I know about the DTS surround capabilities that LG added to the newer firmware for the V30 (still running stock Oreo here but it's rooted with Magisk), and I've been doing research into Dolby Atmos which I know is available as a port for Oreo as well.
I'm curious to know if anyone else has attempted to get it installed or they were successful and what they think of it in actual use with perhaps movie playback (local on the device or streamed with Netflix/etc).
I know it's not going to really do much for me overall but since I do tend to do almost all my audio monitoring with smartphones by wearing headphones (Sony V6, Koss PortaPros and KSC-75 earclips, Monoprice 9927 IEMs which are amazing for the $8 I paid for 'em, etc) I'm still interested in seeing if there's anything actually going on in terms of watching movies and noticing some actual "surround" like effects instead of the simple pure 2-channel stereo playback aspects.
If anyone has any experience with installing that Dolby Atmos port on their V30 - regardless of the ROM but I presume it's got to be at least Android 8.0 Oreo based - I'd love to hear...errr... read your opinions.
Thanks...
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Dolby Atmos is crapware. If the device comes with it, then yes it works. People claim that they can port it but that's a load of BS. The same BS claims the A.R.I.S.E team used to make with their mods.
A Dev that makes a popular sound mod actually looked into this stuff. Only 1 guy has ever ported Dolby Atmos and he stopped doing it for some reason. So any Dolby Atmos mod that you see right now is 99% not actually working.
I say 99% because who knows, that 1 guy who successfully did it, might come out of retirement. Even the A.R.I.S.E team recognize that only he can do it.
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It's software, it's not a hardware capability, so I can't comprehend why it's so difficult to actually get it to work on most any devices, especially those with much higher quality DACs with vastly more capabilities than just 16-bit 44.1 kHz output stuff, oh well.
I mean, I'm still pissed this laptop issue of mine is the same basically: it just never works and I don't know why because it's literally done through software on pretty much any device except a serious piece of hardware like a 5.1/7.1/9.1/10.1/etc home theater audio amp/receiver/etc. I suppose I should just be content knowing that I can still hear anything at all given I'm getting older by the day.
Guess we'll see what happens...
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It's software, it's not a hardware capability, so I can't comprehend why it's so difficult to actually get it to work on most any devices, especially those with much higher quality DACs with vastly more capabilities than just 16-bit 44.1 kHz output stuff, oh well.
I mean, I'm still pissed this laptop issue of mine is the same basically: it just never works and I don't know why because it's literally done through software on pretty much any device except a serious piece of hardware like a 5.1/7.1/9.1/10.1/etc home theater audio amp/receiver/etc. I suppose I should just be content knowing that I can still hear anything at all given I'm getting older by the day.
Guess we'll see what happens...
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Yes, while it is SW, you still need the framework.
UltraM8 ( I believe that's his correct username) had explain this in great detail. You don't have to know much, he explains everything to the "T".
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I've heard so many good things about Dolby Atmos for Headphones (pun very much intended) but to this day I still have not actually heard any device with that working properly.
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You can always pick up a cheap used Axon 7. Has a quad dac with Dolby Atmos.
Trust me, even the Dev that "successfully ported Dolby Atmos" , sounds like crap compared to a device that comes with it natively.
That's why I'm skeptical about how successful he was in porting it.
I also want to point out that even CyanogenMod Inc had it's own audio software that was never able to be ported into CyanogenMod. Devs tried to, never worked.
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Yes, I understand all of that and much more, and this was never meant to be a make-it-or-break-it thing, just an interest in seeing what all the fuss is about and whether or not Dolby Atmos for Headphones can actually give me any "surround" experience at all. Been listening to most every audio technology that's come into existence since the early 1970s, and nothing except one particular file - the infamous binaural recording done years ago by David Chesky know as "Dr. Chesky's Shave" - ever gave me any actually noticeable sense of audio coming from someplace other than directly left or right with headphones on.
Hell, I've even attempted to use those funky "5.1" and "7.1" headphones that have multiple drivers in them meant to produce sound from positions in front, behind, and above and below the ear canal, nothing but gimmicks as expected.
But Dolby wouldn't be doing so much research into that stuff for headphones if there wasn't something driving it (pun very much intended) so I'm interested, that's all.
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Dear XDA people,
I have not found any conclusive topic on whether it's possible (or is already done) to enable USB audio output (to a DAC obviously) on the SGS2. Some shreds of relevant topics have crossed my path, but they all either died out or were for different models.
So: What is the status? What's the roadblock? Is there in fact already a rom/kernel which has this enabled?
Thanks
edit: There's a feature request on the Android project page, but I can't link to it due to <10 posts. The title is: Issue 24614: Enable USB audio on the Galaxy Nexus (or any Android 4.0 device)
Not currently possible & unlikely to be on the SGS2 tbh. Devs who have been asked to have a look at it have gone 'nup' & don't have the time/inclination to work on it (blame Samsung).
Only chance of it happening would be to code it yourself or for a dev who actually wants to use that functionality themselves to have a go at it. People have started threads on here where people have pledged X amount of $ if a dev can get this working, but these threads fall off the radar due to lack of interest fairly quickly & there have been no takers on the dev side.
I wouldn't hold your breath.
Right, that's sad to hear. No developers who want this? Strange... thought they'd be interested in getting the best possible out of the hardware available.
Guess I'll wait for future models then. Thanks for the clarification.
From the comments I've seen from the devs who have been asked, it's a case of not having to mess around with/spend a lot of time dealing with Samsung's ****ty closed source drivers etc. Take CM9 as an example, those guys have been doing that since the first ICS leaks were released late last yr & frankly I don't blame them for being fed up.
Most people don't realise exactly how much work goes into making things work on a custom rom (a real one; not a winzip job like 80% of 'roms' on here), getting this to work would not be a walk in the park.
And the other thing is many (most) people also have a dedicated media player which puts out much better sound than the SGS2 anyways.
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Right, that's sad to hear. No developers who want this? Strange... thought they'd be interested in getting the best possible out of the hardware available.
Guess I'll wait for future models then. Thanks for the clarification.
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Yeah don't get me wrong -- I appreciate the work that goes into messing with this stuff (especially the process of discovering how it actually works, the reverse engineering of sorts). I just thought that this was a pretty big feature to have and was surprised there was so little to find about it.
And yeah, I also have a better media player (Cowon D2), but the integration into a single device is the attractive part obviously, and unfortunately the SGS2 doesn't have the good audio chip that the SGS1 does have (Stupid Samsung).
Yep using the Yamaha chip in the SGS2 was a puzzling move given how universally praised the sound quality was on the SGS, and made even more puzzling by Samsung going back to a Wolfson chip on the SGS3. A moment of madness perhaps. Every review of the SGS3 I've read so far has said the sound quality is very good.
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And yeah, I also have a better media player (Cowon D2), but the integration into a single device is the attractive part obviously, and unfortunately the SGS2 doesn't have the good audio chip that the SGS1 does have (Stupid Samsung).
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And the other thing is many (most) people also have a dedicated media player which puts out much better sound than the SGS2 anyways.
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And that is exactly the reason why this feature should be enabled
There are quite a few people who enjoy high quality portable audio. Many of them use portable headphone amplifiers as standard headphone outputs on devices are quite often unable to properly drive high(er) end headphones. Many of these portable headphone amplifiers also have an USB DAC on board for use with a computer.
Being able to use USB Audio out on your phone would mean one less device to lug around. The quality of the Android devices audio components would no longer matter, as the external DAC/Amplifier would take over their function.
Just imagine, no more worries about what DAC is put in a phone, as you would be free to choose your own external DAC.
Galaxy S3 can do it, some tablets can do it, so hopefully someone will be inspired to make this happen on the S2 and other devices.
I hear the arguments & agree with you (I personally would use it), but it's very unlikely to happen for the SGS2. Samsung have made it very very difficult to do by way of the Yamaha sound chip & their ****ty closed source drivers/firmware, and devs who have been asked so far have looked at it & gone 'Nup'.
So, as I said in my post above, unless you find a dev with a fair bit of time on their hands who actually wants to use this themselves, it probably won't happen.
Edit - @Coop: Have a look at this post by Entropy in the CM9 thread re: proprietary code/the crap devs have to deal with. Just to give you a bit of background as to why the devs who have been asked to date have all said no.
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And that is exactly the reason why this feature should be enabled
There are quite a few people who enjoy high quality portable audio. Many of them use portable headphone amplifiers as standard headphone outputs on devices are quite often unable to properly drive high(er) end headphones. Many of these portable headphone amplifiers also have an USB DAC on board for use with a computer.
Being able to use USB Audio out on your phone would mean one less device to lug around. The quality of the Android devices audio components would no longer matter, as the external DAC/Amplifier would take over their function.
Just imagine, no more worries about what DAC is put in a phone, as you would be free to choose your own external DAC.
Galaxy S3 can do it, some tablets can do it, so hopefully someone will be inspired to make this happen on the S2 and other devices.
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Can someone post impressions about headphone audio quality of the V10? From an audiophile perspective. Thanks
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Can someone post impressions about headphone audio quality of the V10? From an audiophile perspective. Thanks
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The audiophile world sounds pumped:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/782706/lg-v10-new-ess-chipped-flagship-android-phone-from-lg
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The audiophile world sounds pumped:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/782706/lg-v10-new-ess-chipped-flagship-android-phone-from-lg
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I was already watching the tread, I was trying to get new info from owners. Thanks anyway
https://instagram.com/p/8twmu1S51G/
This guy talks about its audio around 5:00
https://youtu.be/ZMsxAKUM53M
Apparently the ESS DAC is only triggered with the stock app. Maybe someone here have the knowledge to unlock that ?
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Apparently the ESS DAC is only triggered with the stock app. Maybe someone here have the knowledge to unlock that ?
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What other DAC would it use?...
Nitemare3219 said:
What other DAC would it use?...
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Qualcomm Snapdragon DAC
The standard DAC in the Qualcomm Snapdragon SOC is mediocre at best. I use a pair of Sennheiser Momentums to test sound quality between my devices as they're easily driven by cellular audio DACs. Comparing the Note 4's Snapdragon 805 DAC to the Wolfson chip in the Exynos 7420 in the Note 5 is like night and day. Not only is it much louder, the details are far cleaner with highs, mids and lows better represented. Even with the d*mn good Sound Alive equalizer in the Note 4, the audio is recessed juxtaposed to the Wolfson chip. Without having tested the Vivo Hi-Fi DAC, I'd still have to give the overall win to HTC in terms of headphone audio quality. They never revealed the DAC, but it's leagues better than the S5 which had the same chipset.
Why is it only limited the the stock player? I'm confused. I thought it was for all sound output
Hmm that's pretty dissapoinying if what the reviewer says about the dac is correct. The m9 is great, but I would assume a significant upgrade with the sabre dac.
Wonder why only the standard music app can access the dac?
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Hmm that's pretty dissapoinying if what the reviewer says about the dac is correct. The m9 is great, but I would assume a significant upgrade with the sabre dac.
Wonder why only the standard music app can access the dac?
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Ya. This would be sad
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The standard DAC in the Qualcomm Snapdragon SOC is mediocre at best. I use a pair of Sennheiser Momentums to test sound quality between my devices as they're easily driven by cellular audio DACs. Comparing the Note 4's Snapdragon 805 DAC to the Wolfson chip in the Exynos 7420 in the Note 5 is like night and day. Not only is it much louder, the details are far cleaner with highs, mids and lows better represented. Even with the d*mn good Sound Alive equalizer in the Note 4, the audio is recessed juxtaposed to the Wolfson chip. Without having tested the Vivo Hi-Fi DAC, I'd still have to give the overall win to HTC in terms of headphone audio quality. They never revealed the DAC, but it's leagues better than the S5 which had the same chipset.
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I guess the good sound quality comes from a good quality AMP that goes along with the DAC......A good amp allow headphones to give their full potential
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Apparently the ESS DAC is only triggered with the stock app. Maybe someone here have the knowledge to unlock that ?
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That is not right. I have listened the 24-bit tune that comes with the phone using both the stock Music Player and Google Play Music and both sound exactly alike.
Also, when you are using Hi-Fi, and icon shows in the top bar, and it happens with both the stock Music Player and Google Play Music.
I think flashmp3 should really clarify his sources, because based on evidence, what he says is just not true.
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That is not right. I have listened the 24-bit tune that comes with the phone using both the stock Music Player and Google Play Music and both sound exactly alike.
Also, when you are using Hi-Fi, and icon shows in the top bar, and it happens with both the stock Music Player and Google Play Music.
I think flashmp3 should really clarify his sources, because based on evidence, what he says is just not true.
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It's talked about in this audio review on Head-Fi:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/785335/lg-v10-hi-fi-audio-quality-review-on-serious-audio-performance
The op of that thread verified that the additional DAC is only functional on the LG app.
Exactly........that was my source. I should have precised it.......i thought that people talking in this thread here were the same talking in the LG V10 thread on Head-Fi as both are concerned by audio quality
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Exactly........that was my source. I should have precised it.......i thought that people talking in this thread here were the same talking in the LG V10 thread on Head-Fi as both are concerned by audio quality
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https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=Y19PZnhLUnFoXzlHb0dDRU15S1J3U19KbXlfa3pR
Listening to Google Play Music, I still see the Hi-Fi icon. In fact, it lights on right after you connect headphones, no matter if you are playing any music or not.
The sound amplification does not change no matter which player I use: Stock or Play Music. I have tested it listening with some pretty good headphones, and using the 24-bit sample provided by LG.
The only way I can think neither of us is wrong, is that the latest update (1 week ago) has enabled it for all the players and the review on the Hi-Fi forum was on the firmware before the update?
I have a F600S, but I do not think the exact phone variant will make a difference on this.
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It's talked about in this audio review on Head-Fi:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/785335/lg-v10-hi-fi-audio-quality-review-on-serious-audio-performance
The op of that thread verified that the additional DAC is only functional on the LG app.
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From reading some of the Head Fi discussion, I'm not sure that the OP "verified" that the additional dac only works with the LG app. The poster seems to believe strongly that it's the case. There's no concrete evidence given, in my opinion.
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https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=Y19PZnhLUnFoXzlHb0dDRU15S1J3U19KbXlfa3pR
Listening to Google Play Music, I still see the Hi-Fi icon. In fact, it lights on right after you connect headphones, no matter if you are playing any music or not.
The sound amplification does not change no matter which player I use: Stock or Play Music. I have tested it listening with some pretty good headphones, and using the 24-bit sample provided by LG.
The only way I can think neither of us is wrong, is that the latest update (1 week ago) has enabled it for all the players and the review on the Hi-Fi forum was on the firmware before the update?
I have a F600S, but I do not think the exact phone variant will make a difference on this.
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That would make my day if it is patched. I want this phone so bad.
I have been using the V10 for the better part of two days. It sounds damn good. Mostly of my music is 24/96 and 16/44 FLAC files
I typically run my note 4 with an Apex Glacier. This will definitely be replacing that setup.
I didn't honestly use anything other then the stock music player. It sounds amazing as is so didn't bother trying anything else. I can load PowerAmp in the morning and check though.
So this maybe a stupid question but I wanted to know if the sound quality changes from stock Fire OS when using a custom ROM? For example the [Thor] model has Dolby Digital sound, and I was wondering if that still works when using a custom ROM? I'm using CyanogenMod via Safestrap and I'm trying to see if the sound quality is the same or not.
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So this maybe a stupid question but I wanted to know if the sound quality changes from stock Fire OS when using a custom ROM? For example the [Thor] model has Dolby Digital sound, and I was wondering if that still works when using a custom ROM? I'm using CyanogenMod via Safestrap and I'm trying to see if the sound quality is the same or not.
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Solid question. Dolby enhancements are not natively available with any of the custom ROMs for 3rd gen HDX devices. Some ROMs come with their own audio effects engines (eg: CM-xx) which I find work pretty well. You can also flash Dolby ATMOS if interested. Google "android dolby flash" for various options. I use to do this on my Thors but ultimately decided the modest improvements did not warrant the effort. Might be a different story on Apollo.
I'll probably flash the driver, because I was seeing if I needed to buy some Beats Solo headphones but for some reason it didn't sound much better than my Amazon Basics headphones.
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I'll probably flash the driver, because I was seeing if I needed to buy some Beats Solo headphones but for some reason it didn't sound much better than my Amazon Basics headphones.
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Before making the investment be aware most HDX devices with custom ROMs exhibit undesirable audio artifacts when playing music through higher end headsets. Clicks and/or pops when starting/stopping playback is a common complaint. Background hiss and subtitle 'electronic' noise can sometimes be heard during soft passages. Dolby enhancements tend to quiet but not eliminate these anomalies. Seems to be confined to the headphone jack circuitry.
Hmm... That explains a lot, even though things like this (and being able to use the Amazon App Store) makes me want to flash stock Fire OS, but that would be very regrettable since version 4.5.5.2 can't be rooted at the moment and I have much more paid content from Google Play (Games and Emulators mostly) compared to the Amazon App Store.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-audio-dac-booster-maximize-sound-t3591407
Maybe this is useful for our device?
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-audio-dac-booster-maximize-sound-t3591407
Maybe this is useful for our device?
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I was using the module from this guy, and another sound mod he had on my previous phone, this thing is legit and working great!
Now that I saw the app I'll update to that.
Thanks for the heads up bro!
I'd wager that this does nothing for our phone, since it's made for Qualcomm DACs. The Axon 7 only uses the Qualcomm DAC in Standard audio mode on stock MiFavor, and it never uses it on LineageOS and related ROMs.
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I'd wager that this does nothing for our phone, since it's made for Qualcomm DACs. The Axon 7 only uses the Qualcomm DAC in Standard audio mode on stock MiFavor, and it never uses it on LineageOS and related ROMs.
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So, it would be beneficial for stock users at least?
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So, it would be beneficial for stock users at least?
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I'd like to know that as well?
TheLastSidekick said:
So, it would be beneficial for stock users at least?
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It might be beneficial for stock users who don't use Super audio mode already. I don't know why someone would use Standard on stock, but this could benefit those people.
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It might be beneficial for stock users who don't use Super audio mode already. I don't know why someone would use Standard on stock, but this could benefit those people.
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Ah, does make sense. I remember that feature being in there, now I know what it's for.
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Ah, does make sense. I remember that feature being in there, now I know what it's for.
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In stock, Super audio uses the AKM DAC and amplifier, while Standard uses the Qualcomm DAC. I usually just keep mine on Super all the time.
Super audio mode?
Guys instead of arguing whether or not this is beneficial, just try the mod, it doesn't hurt really.
It's tiring seeing users arguing about something and not actually trying it.
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Guys instead of arguing whether or not this is beneficial, just try the mod, it doesn't hurt really.
It's tiring seeing users arguing about something and not actually trying it.
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It's hard to notice a difference personally, hence why knowledge in these cases on how things function is best. There's no arguing, just learning going on as far as I'm concerned. Thanks.
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Guys instead of arguing whether or not this is beneficial, just try the mod, it doesn't hurt really.
It's tiring seeing users arguing about something and not actually trying it.
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Don't have e a problem trying out the app. I'm just wondering what all this talk of super audio mode is all about.
Is there a setting I've never seen? Could be I'm still new to the phone.
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Don't have e a problem trying out the app. I'm just wondering what all this talk of super audio mode is all about.
Is there a setting I've never seen? Could be I'm still new to the phone.
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Go into settings -> Sound and enable super sound or somtehing like that
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Guys instead of arguing whether or not this is beneficial, just try the mod, it doesn't hurt really.
It's tiring seeing users arguing about something and not actually trying it.
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There's no need to try it really. There's simply no way it does anything for our phone.
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There's no need to try it really. There's simply no way it does anything for our phone.
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Whatever you say mr developer, I'm so sorry if I doubted your flawless argument.
On a serious note if you don't wanna try it you have every right to do so, but others may be interested, regardless what you think.
You haven't proved somehow this doesn't work, simply stating that it doesn't doesn't mean it doesn't.
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Whatever you say mr developer, I'm so sorry if I doubted your flawless argument.
On a serious note if you don't wanna try it you have every right to do so, but others may be interested, regardless what you think.
You haven't proved somehow this doesn't work, simply stating that it doesn't doesn't mean it doesn't.
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Okay.
On other phones, OEMs will use the standard Qualcomm DAC and amplifier. In our Axon 7, we have the AKM AK4490 DAC paired with the AKM AK4961 DSP and amplifier.
If you are using LineageOS, the AKM DAC and DSP/amplifier are enabled all the time and the standard Qualcomm DAC is not used at all. This is because of a recent patch in Lineage. Let's review what this mod does:
"enables Qualcomm's high_performancce_mode on your in-built WCD9xxx DAC, this switches headphones class amplifier from Class G to Class A/B"
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"sets your ALSA sound PCM rate converter to its maximum quality (samplerate_best) and your syetm-wide resampler quality to '4' (Maximum quality value). "
That's great, but the Qualcomm DAC is not used in Lineage. So, this will have no effect.
What about stock MiFavor? Using stock, you can switch between the Qualcomm DAC (Standard mode) and the AKM DAC (Super mode). I can assure you that even with this mod applied, Super mode will be better than Standard mode simply because of the better hardware being used. No amount of software tweaking can compensate for an inferior Qualcomm DAC.
If you set audio to Standard mode and use this mod, the only thing changing from a Class G to a Class AB amplifier will do is remove one voltage supply. It will not impact the audio in any way. If you set audio to Super mode, the AK4961 amplifier is a class G amplifier and is not changed by this mod. Even if there was a mod to change the AK4961 to a Class AB amplifier, it would not change the audio at all. So, in stock MiFavor it will have an effect, however that effect is made useless since we can switch to Super mode and have a better audio experience without using this mod.
This is not just what I think, these are the facts about our Axon 7.
RainofOranges said:
Okay.
On other phones, OEMs will use the standard Qualcomm DAC and amplifier. In our Axon 7, we have the AKM AK4490 DAC paired with the AKM AK4961 DSP and amplifier.
If you are using LineageOS, the AKM DAC and DSP/amplifier are enabled all the time and the standard Qualcomm DAC is not used at all. This is because of a recent patch in Lineage. Let's review what this mod does:
"enables Qualcomm's high_performancce_mode on your in-built WCD9xxx DAC, this switches headphones class amplifier from Class G to Class A/B"
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"sets your ALSA sound PCM rate converter to its maximum quality (samplerate_best) and your syetm-wide resampler quality to '4' (Maximum quality value). "
That's great, but the Qualcomm DAC is not used in Lineage. So, this will have no effect.
What about stock MiFavor? Using stock, you can switch between the Qualcomm DAC (Standard mode) and the AKM DAC (Super mode). I can assure you that even with this mod applied, Super mode will be better than Standard mode simply because of the better hardware being used. No amount of software tweaking can compensate for an inferior Qualcomm DAC.
If you set audio to Standard mode and use this mod, the only thing changing from a Class G to a Class AB amplifier will do is remove one voltage supply. It will not impact the audio in any way. If you set audio to Super mode, the AK4961 amplifier is a class G amplifier and is not changed by this mod. Even if there was a mod to change the AK4961 to a Class AB amplifier, it would not change the audio at all. So, in stock MiFavor it will have an effect, however that effect is made useless since we can switch to Super mode and have a better audio experience without using this mod.
This is not just what I think, these are the facts about our Axon 7.
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That's a more well-constructed answer, I'm glad you know how to talk after all.
When I was on mifavor some time ago and used the mod, normal mode sounded better on my headphones than super mode ever did until that day.
Maybe it's the headphones to blame for that?1
In any case I definitely heard a difference.
Anything that can improve our phone is beneficial for it, you're free to use it or not of course.
nfsmw_gr said:
That's a more well-constructed answer, I'm glad you know how to talk after all.
When I was on mifavor some time ago and used the mod, normal mode sounded better on my headphones than super mode ever did until that day.
Maybe it's the headphones to blame for that?1
In any case I definitely heard a difference.
Anything that can improve our phone is beneficial for it, you're free to use it or not of course.
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It's very possible it did sound better because of the headphones instead of the phone's audio hardware. The AKM audio hardware is better suited to higher impedance, high-end headphones. If the headphones you were using weren't high-end, Standard mode really could have sounded better.
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It's very possible it did sound better because of the headphones instead of the phone's audio hardware. The AKM audio hardware is better suited to higher impedance, high-end headphones. If the headphones you were using weren't high-end, Standard mode really could have sounded better.
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That's probably the case, they were just 16 ohms.
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That's probably the case, they were just 16 ohms.
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Yup! When using my IEMs which are also 16 ohms I can hardly hear a difference switching from Super to Standard. However, when using my higher impedance headphones I can clearly hear a difference in both audio quality and volume. That's definitely what happened in your case, and mine for that matter.
so far i'm really liking this phone. however, there are a couple things i wish were a little different:
1) i wish it had a dedicated, not-behind-the-screen fingerprint sensor (one thing my old LG did right).
2) i wish it supported apt-x hd for use with my (non-sony) wireless headphones.
so, i went looking for a solution to #2. for now, it appears that samsung just doesn't support apt-x hd-- and future official support is looking somewhere between doubtful and hopeless. additionally, i have a us version; my bootloader is locked and there does not appear to be a feasible software solution to the problem without root.
however, i stumbled onto this: creative bt-w3. i ordered it today and most likely won't have my hands on it for another week, buti wanted to make this post to:
--let people know about this possible solution to a vexing problem
--solicit any feedback or reviews, in case someone has already received one.
thanks for reading.
Vexing? This is vexing?
I just use LDAC, it's better than APT-X HD...
The Note9 when came out with Oreo, it had AptXHD then it was removed with Android Pie.
Now, after complaining, they out back AptX yet no HD support or HiRes audio support.
Seems Samsung is all about gimmicks but not audio.
The Dolby Atmos is crap if someone wants to defend them, try the Dolby Atmos on a Xbox One, then try the Samsung version and it's just an equalizer setting.
I'm currently saving for the Xperia phone, I'm done with Samsung.
Hey zagtastic, did you get this creative device working on your phone? I'm curious if it did in fact work for you. I'm looking into getting an S20 5G and was surprised by the lack of aptx-hd support on the specs.
liamstears said:
I just use LDAC, it's better than APT-X HD...
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If memory serves me correctly it's not; AptX-HD has better overall audio qualities. LDAC is the next best.
Even rooting won't give you AptX-HD; all these latter generation Samsung's lack the hardware support for this codec.
Sammy boned us proper...
Bump, so does this thing work on a Samsung?
My Soundpeats TrueAir 2 buds sound bloody awesome with Dolby on but also running Poweramp. If anything they sound better than they were on my Mi10T Pro that has Apt-x built in.
roaduardo said:
Vexing? This is vexing?
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No. whats vexing is buying the Note 20 Ultra 5G "unlocked" from Best Buy at $1300 only to realize it is still impossible to unlock the bootloader despite "right to repair". I will never buy another Galaxy or any other overpriced, overgoverned Samdung product. I should have bought another OnePlus. The lack of Apt-X is irritating but not a problem Id call "vexing" when there are so many other complaints that dwarf it.
Any Bluetooth codec will never be as good as a wired set of headphones anyway, UAPP or Poweramp output to 1 More or Similar in ears will sound a lot better, (inexpensively)
blackhawk said:
If memory serves me correctly it's not; AptX-HD has better overall audio qualities. LDAC is the next best.
Even rooting won't give you AptX-HD; all these latter generation Samsung's lack the hardware support for this codec.
Sammy boned us proper...
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My ultra has aptX. It's in the developer section. Turn on HD audio and you can select it.
pvcdroid said:
My ultra has aptX. It's in the developer section. Turn on HD audio and you can select it.
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SSC is a better choice for Samsung Buds, etc. then APTX. Sample it...
blackhawk said:
If memory serves me correctly it's not; AptX-HD has better overall audio qualities. LDAC is the next best.
Even rooting won't give you AptX-HD; all these latter generation Samsung's lack the hardware support for this codec.
Sammy boned us proper...
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LDAC streams at a max of 990kbps, translating to a sample rate of 96kHz and a bit depth of 24 bits while APTXhd stops at 48 kHz.
So LDAC is the top one followed by APTXhd
corbalan12 said:
LDAC streams at a max of 990kbps, translating to a sample rate of 96kHz and a bit depth of 24 bits while APTXhd stops at 48 kHz.
So LDAC is the top one followed by APTXhd
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If you bt device doesn't support LDAC but its a Samsung bt that supports SCC that's probably the next best choice.
APTX HD is off the table useless it's hardware supported to begin with. Samsung does not support it.