so far i'm really liking this phone. however, there are a couple things i wish were a little different:
1) i wish it had a dedicated, not-behind-the-screen fingerprint sensor (one thing my old LG did right).
2) i wish it supported apt-x hd for use with my (non-sony) wireless headphones.
so, i went looking for a solution to #2. for now, it appears that samsung just doesn't support apt-x hd-- and future official support is looking somewhere between doubtful and hopeless. additionally, i have a us version; my bootloader is locked and there does not appear to be a feasible software solution to the problem without root.
however, i stumbled onto this: creative bt-w3. i ordered it today and most likely won't have my hands on it for another week, buti wanted to make this post to:
--let people know about this possible solution to a vexing problem
--solicit any feedback or reviews, in case someone has already received one.
thanks for reading.
Vexing? This is vexing?
I just use LDAC, it's better than APT-X HD...
The Note9 when came out with Oreo, it had AptXHD then it was removed with Android Pie.
Now, after complaining, they out back AptX yet no HD support or HiRes audio support.
Seems Samsung is all about gimmicks but not audio.
The Dolby Atmos is crap if someone wants to defend them, try the Dolby Atmos on a Xbox One, then try the Samsung version and it's just an equalizer setting.
I'm currently saving for the Xperia phone, I'm done with Samsung.
Hey zagtastic, did you get this creative device working on your phone? I'm curious if it did in fact work for you. I'm looking into getting an S20 5G and was surprised by the lack of aptx-hd support on the specs.
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I just use LDAC, it's better than APT-X HD...
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If memory serves me correctly it's not; AptX-HD has better overall audio qualities. LDAC is the next best.
Even rooting won't give you AptX-HD; all these latter generation Samsung's lack the hardware support for this codec.
Sammy boned us proper...
Bump, so does this thing work on a Samsung?
My Soundpeats TrueAir 2 buds sound bloody awesome with Dolby on but also running Poweramp. If anything they sound better than they were on my Mi10T Pro that has Apt-x built in.
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Vexing? This is vexing?
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No. whats vexing is buying the Note 20 Ultra 5G "unlocked" from Best Buy at $1300 only to realize it is still impossible to unlock the bootloader despite "right to repair". I will never buy another Galaxy or any other overpriced, overgoverned Samdung product. I should have bought another OnePlus. The lack of Apt-X is irritating but not a problem Id call "vexing" when there are so many other complaints that dwarf it.
Any Bluetooth codec will never be as good as a wired set of headphones anyway, UAPP or Poweramp output to 1 More or Similar in ears will sound a lot better, (inexpensively)
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If memory serves me correctly it's not; AptX-HD has better overall audio qualities. LDAC is the next best.
Even rooting won't give you AptX-HD; all these latter generation Samsung's lack the hardware support for this codec.
Sammy boned us proper...
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My ultra has aptX. It's in the developer section. Turn on HD audio and you can select it.
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My ultra has aptX. It's in the developer section. Turn on HD audio and you can select it.
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SSC is a better choice for Samsung Buds, etc. then APTX. Sample it...
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If memory serves me correctly it's not; AptX-HD has better overall audio qualities. LDAC is the next best.
Even rooting won't give you AptX-HD; all these latter generation Samsung's lack the hardware support for this codec.
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LDAC streams at a max of 990kbps, translating to a sample rate of 96kHz and a bit depth of 24 bits while APTXhd stops at 48 kHz.
So LDAC is the top one followed by APTXhd
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LDAC streams at a max of 990kbps, translating to a sample rate of 96kHz and a bit depth of 24 bits while APTXhd stops at 48 kHz.
So LDAC is the top one followed by APTXhd
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If you bt device doesn't support LDAC but its a Samsung bt that supports SCC that's probably the next best choice.
APTX HD is off the table useless it's hardware supported to begin with. Samsung does not support it.
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The lack of information on apt-X is ridiculous but I finally found something. According to the apt-X website, no current Sony devices support this protocol. This means that for any of you audiophiles like me, achieving the best sound quality on Sony devices is presently limited to wired headphones. This doesn't apply to headsets such as the Sony wireless headset pro, as pointed out by mrsatan. Just thought I'd share.
http://www.csr.com/technology-solutions/av/audio-products-powered-by-csr-aptx
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The lack of information on apt-X is ridiculous but I finally found something. According to the apt-X website, no current Sony devices support this protocol. This means that for any of you audiophiles like me, achieving the best sound quality on Sony devices is presently limited to wired headphones. Just thought I'd share.
http://www.csr.com/technology-solutions/av/audio-products-powered-by-csr-aptx
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My sony bluetooth headphones use wolfson audio decoder which is arguably the best decoder around. I really dont understand what the big deal is with apt-X. Obviously there is some with hardware chips but it looks like their main draw is with software, which can be good or bad, Sony sound optimization is really good on Xperia S. They basically look like another vendor like Wolfson but I have never heard of them. Wolfson is awesome as **** when it comes to audio quality and my headphones are really good.
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My sony bluetooth headphones use wolfson audio decoder which is arguably the best decoder around. I really dont understand what the big deal is with apt-X. Obviously there is some with hardware chips but it looks like their main draw is with software, which can be good or bad, Sony sound optimization is really good on Xperia S. They basically look like another vendor like Wolfson but I have never heard of them. Wolfson is awesome as **** when it comes to audio quality and my headphones are really good.
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From what I understand the Wolfson DAC is hardware based in the phone, not in the Bluetooth transmitters/receivers. Bluetooth uses an entirely different protocol/codec to stream audio.. Once you stream via Bluetooth there is distortion. Not everyone notices it, but I do, and that could pertain to the type of music I listen to. That's why apt-X support is a better choice for some since distortion is eliminated. To each their own.
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From what I understand the Wolfson DAC is hardware based in the phone, not in the Bluetooth transmitters/receivers. Bluetooth uses an entirely different protocol/codec to stream audio.. Once you stream via Bluetooth there is distortion. Not everyone notices it, but I do, and that could pertain to the type of music I listen to. That's why apt-X support is a better choice for some since distortion is eliminated. To each their own.
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The wireless headset pro use Wolfson DAC since it is a standalone mp3 player as well. It definitely uses it even when streaming from the phone because their is a quality difference. There is no distortion on it because it doesnt decode before it streams it to bluetooth. I am a member of Head-fi.com and I remember before I bought the device we figured out what dac it was using and that influenced many to buy it. We were pleasantly suprised to see it using such a high quality dac.
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The wireless headset pro use Wolfson DAC since it is a standalone mp3 player as well. It definitely uses it even when streaming from the phone because their is a quality difference. There is no distortion on it because it doesnt decode before it streams it to bluetooth. I am a member of Head-fi.com and I remember before I bought the device we figured out what dac it was using and that influenced many to buy it. We were pleasantly suprised to see it using such a high quality dac.
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Lol, this thread is in reference to stereo headsets that rely solely on the Bluetooth protocol so it wouldn't apply to the Sony wireless headset pro or similar devices.
Now I kinda want one of these Sony wireless headsets so I can keep my Sony phone, lol.
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Lol, this thread is in reference to stereo headsets that rely solely on the Bluetooth protocol so it wouldn't apply to the Sony wireless headset pro or similar devices.
Now I kinda want one of these Sony wireless headsets so I can keep my Sony phone, lol.
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Yeah but you said no Sony products so I brought it up. I love my wireless headset.
Sent from hell using Xperia-S(atan)
mrsatan said:
Yeah but you said no Sony products so I brought it up. I love my wireless headset.
Sent from hell using Xperia-S(atan)
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No current Sony products support apt-X. Your smart wireless headset still doesn't support it despite the conversation we just had, lol. That was the only point of my creating this thread.
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No current Sony products support apt-X. Your smart wireless headset still doesn't support it despite the conversation we just had, lol. That was the only point of my creating this thread.
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if only we had an accessories section to discuss accessories. we should go and ask the admins
Also sad to see apt-x missing. It's a major buying factor for my next phone.
I have several bluetooth speakers that support it, so my next phone will.
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CrazyPeter said:
Also sad to see apt-x missing. It's a major buying factor for my next phone.
I have several bluetooth speakers that support it, so my next phone will.
Sent from my LT26i using Tapatalk 2
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I'm hoping future Sony products support it. There are a few different aptx-enabled BT headphones that I'm looking into buying. I currently have the Samsung HS3000 and wired earbuds but I want to go completely wireless.
Can someone post impressions about headphone audio quality of the V10? From an audiophile perspective. Thanks
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Can someone post impressions about headphone audio quality of the V10? From an audiophile perspective. Thanks
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The audiophile world sounds pumped:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/782706/lg-v10-new-ess-chipped-flagship-android-phone-from-lg
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The audiophile world sounds pumped:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/782706/lg-v10-new-ess-chipped-flagship-android-phone-from-lg
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I was already watching the tread, I was trying to get new info from owners. Thanks anyway
https://instagram.com/p/8twmu1S51G/
This guy talks about its audio around 5:00
https://youtu.be/ZMsxAKUM53M
Apparently the ESS DAC is only triggered with the stock app. Maybe someone here have the knowledge to unlock that ?
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Apparently the ESS DAC is only triggered with the stock app. Maybe someone here have the knowledge to unlock that ?
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What other DAC would it use?...
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What other DAC would it use?...
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Qualcomm Snapdragon DAC
The standard DAC in the Qualcomm Snapdragon SOC is mediocre at best. I use a pair of Sennheiser Momentums to test sound quality between my devices as they're easily driven by cellular audio DACs. Comparing the Note 4's Snapdragon 805 DAC to the Wolfson chip in the Exynos 7420 in the Note 5 is like night and day. Not only is it much louder, the details are far cleaner with highs, mids and lows better represented. Even with the d*mn good Sound Alive equalizer in the Note 4, the audio is recessed juxtaposed to the Wolfson chip. Without having tested the Vivo Hi-Fi DAC, I'd still have to give the overall win to HTC in terms of headphone audio quality. They never revealed the DAC, but it's leagues better than the S5 which had the same chipset.
Why is it only limited the the stock player? I'm confused. I thought it was for all sound output
Hmm that's pretty dissapoinying if what the reviewer says about the dac is correct. The m9 is great, but I would assume a significant upgrade with the sabre dac.
Wonder why only the standard music app can access the dac?
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Hmm that's pretty dissapoinying if what the reviewer says about the dac is correct. The m9 is great, but I would assume a significant upgrade with the sabre dac.
Wonder why only the standard music app can access the dac?
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Ya. This would be sad
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The standard DAC in the Qualcomm Snapdragon SOC is mediocre at best. I use a pair of Sennheiser Momentums to test sound quality between my devices as they're easily driven by cellular audio DACs. Comparing the Note 4's Snapdragon 805 DAC to the Wolfson chip in the Exynos 7420 in the Note 5 is like night and day. Not only is it much louder, the details are far cleaner with highs, mids and lows better represented. Even with the d*mn good Sound Alive equalizer in the Note 4, the audio is recessed juxtaposed to the Wolfson chip. Without having tested the Vivo Hi-Fi DAC, I'd still have to give the overall win to HTC in terms of headphone audio quality. They never revealed the DAC, but it's leagues better than the S5 which had the same chipset.
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I guess the good sound quality comes from a good quality AMP that goes along with the DAC......A good amp allow headphones to give their full potential
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Apparently the ESS DAC is only triggered with the stock app. Maybe someone here have the knowledge to unlock that ?
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That is not right. I have listened the 24-bit tune that comes with the phone using both the stock Music Player and Google Play Music and both sound exactly alike.
Also, when you are using Hi-Fi, and icon shows in the top bar, and it happens with both the stock Music Player and Google Play Music.
I think flashmp3 should really clarify his sources, because based on evidence, what he says is just not true.
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That is not right. I have listened the 24-bit tune that comes with the phone using both the stock Music Player and Google Play Music and both sound exactly alike.
Also, when you are using Hi-Fi, and icon shows in the top bar, and it happens with both the stock Music Player and Google Play Music.
I think flashmp3 should really clarify his sources, because based on evidence, what he says is just not true.
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It's talked about in this audio review on Head-Fi:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/785335/lg-v10-hi-fi-audio-quality-review-on-serious-audio-performance
The op of that thread verified that the additional DAC is only functional on the LG app.
Exactly........that was my source. I should have precised it.......i thought that people talking in this thread here were the same talking in the LG V10 thread on Head-Fi as both are concerned by audio quality
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Exactly........that was my source. I should have precised it.......i thought that people talking in this thread here were the same talking in the LG V10 thread on Head-Fi as both are concerned by audio quality
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https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=Y19PZnhLUnFoXzlHb0dDRU15S1J3U19KbXlfa3pR
Listening to Google Play Music, I still see the Hi-Fi icon. In fact, it lights on right after you connect headphones, no matter if you are playing any music or not.
The sound amplification does not change no matter which player I use: Stock or Play Music. I have tested it listening with some pretty good headphones, and using the 24-bit sample provided by LG.
The only way I can think neither of us is wrong, is that the latest update (1 week ago) has enabled it for all the players and the review on the Hi-Fi forum was on the firmware before the update?
I have a F600S, but I do not think the exact phone variant will make a difference on this.
jedthehumanoid said:
It's talked about in this audio review on Head-Fi:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/785335/lg-v10-hi-fi-audio-quality-review-on-serious-audio-performance
The op of that thread verified that the additional DAC is only functional on the LG app.
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From reading some of the Head Fi discussion, I'm not sure that the OP "verified" that the additional dac only works with the LG app. The poster seems to believe strongly that it's the case. There's no concrete evidence given, in my opinion.
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https://photos.google.com/share/AF1...?key=Y19PZnhLUnFoXzlHb0dDRU15S1J3U19KbXlfa3pR
Listening to Google Play Music, I still see the Hi-Fi icon. In fact, it lights on right after you connect headphones, no matter if you are playing any music or not.
The sound amplification does not change no matter which player I use: Stock or Play Music. I have tested it listening with some pretty good headphones, and using the 24-bit sample provided by LG.
The only way I can think neither of us is wrong, is that the latest update (1 week ago) has enabled it for all the players and the review on the Hi-Fi forum was on the firmware before the update?
I have a F600S, but I do not think the exact phone variant will make a difference on this.
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That would make my day if it is patched. I want this phone so bad.
I have been using the V10 for the better part of two days. It sounds damn good. Mostly of my music is 24/96 and 16/44 FLAC files
I typically run my note 4 with an Apex Glacier. This will definitely be replacing that setup.
I didn't honestly use anything other then the stock music player. It sounds amazing as is so didn't bother trying anything else. I can load PowerAmp in the morning and check though.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-audio-dac-booster-maximize-sound-t3591407
Maybe this is useful for our device?
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-audio-dac-booster-maximize-sound-t3591407
Maybe this is useful for our device?
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I was using the module from this guy, and another sound mod he had on my previous phone, this thing is legit and working great!
Now that I saw the app I'll update to that.
Thanks for the heads up bro!
I'd wager that this does nothing for our phone, since it's made for Qualcomm DACs. The Axon 7 only uses the Qualcomm DAC in Standard audio mode on stock MiFavor, and it never uses it on LineageOS and related ROMs.
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I'd wager that this does nothing for our phone, since it's made for Qualcomm DACs. The Axon 7 only uses the Qualcomm DAC in Standard audio mode on stock MiFavor, and it never uses it on LineageOS and related ROMs.
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So, it would be beneficial for stock users at least?
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So, it would be beneficial for stock users at least?
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I'd like to know that as well?
TheLastSidekick said:
So, it would be beneficial for stock users at least?
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It might be beneficial for stock users who don't use Super audio mode already. I don't know why someone would use Standard on stock, but this could benefit those people.
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It might be beneficial for stock users who don't use Super audio mode already. I don't know why someone would use Standard on stock, but this could benefit those people.
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Ah, does make sense. I remember that feature being in there, now I know what it's for.
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Ah, does make sense. I remember that feature being in there, now I know what it's for.
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In stock, Super audio uses the AKM DAC and amplifier, while Standard uses the Qualcomm DAC. I usually just keep mine on Super all the time.
Super audio mode?
Guys instead of arguing whether or not this is beneficial, just try the mod, it doesn't hurt really.
It's tiring seeing users arguing about something and not actually trying it.
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Guys instead of arguing whether or not this is beneficial, just try the mod, it doesn't hurt really.
It's tiring seeing users arguing about something and not actually trying it.
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It's hard to notice a difference personally, hence why knowledge in these cases on how things function is best. There's no arguing, just learning going on as far as I'm concerned. Thanks.
nfsmw_gr said:
Guys instead of arguing whether or not this is beneficial, just try the mod, it doesn't hurt really.
It's tiring seeing users arguing about something and not actually trying it.
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Don't have e a problem trying out the app. I'm just wondering what all this talk of super audio mode is all about.
Is there a setting I've never seen? Could be I'm still new to the phone.
HTC55555 said:
Don't have e a problem trying out the app. I'm just wondering what all this talk of super audio mode is all about.
Is there a setting I've never seen? Could be I'm still new to the phone.
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Go into settings -> Sound and enable super sound or somtehing like that
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Guys instead of arguing whether or not this is beneficial, just try the mod, it doesn't hurt really.
It's tiring seeing users arguing about something and not actually trying it.
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There's no need to try it really. There's simply no way it does anything for our phone.
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There's no need to try it really. There's simply no way it does anything for our phone.
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Whatever you say mr developer, I'm so sorry if I doubted your flawless argument.
On a serious note if you don't wanna try it you have every right to do so, but others may be interested, regardless what you think.
You haven't proved somehow this doesn't work, simply stating that it doesn't doesn't mean it doesn't.
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Whatever you say mr developer, I'm so sorry if I doubted your flawless argument.
On a serious note if you don't wanna try it you have every right to do so, but others may be interested, regardless what you think.
You haven't proved somehow this doesn't work, simply stating that it doesn't doesn't mean it doesn't.
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Okay.
On other phones, OEMs will use the standard Qualcomm DAC and amplifier. In our Axon 7, we have the AKM AK4490 DAC paired with the AKM AK4961 DSP and amplifier.
If you are using LineageOS, the AKM DAC and DSP/amplifier are enabled all the time and the standard Qualcomm DAC is not used at all. This is because of a recent patch in Lineage. Let's review what this mod does:
"enables Qualcomm's high_performancce_mode on your in-built WCD9xxx DAC, this switches headphones class amplifier from Class G to Class A/B"
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"sets your ALSA sound PCM rate converter to its maximum quality (samplerate_best) and your syetm-wide resampler quality to '4' (Maximum quality value). "
That's great, but the Qualcomm DAC is not used in Lineage. So, this will have no effect.
What about stock MiFavor? Using stock, you can switch between the Qualcomm DAC (Standard mode) and the AKM DAC (Super mode). I can assure you that even with this mod applied, Super mode will be better than Standard mode simply because of the better hardware being used. No amount of software tweaking can compensate for an inferior Qualcomm DAC.
If you set audio to Standard mode and use this mod, the only thing changing from a Class G to a Class AB amplifier will do is remove one voltage supply. It will not impact the audio in any way. If you set audio to Super mode, the AK4961 amplifier is a class G amplifier and is not changed by this mod. Even if there was a mod to change the AK4961 to a Class AB amplifier, it would not change the audio at all. So, in stock MiFavor it will have an effect, however that effect is made useless since we can switch to Super mode and have a better audio experience without using this mod.
This is not just what I think, these are the facts about our Axon 7.
RainofOranges said:
Okay.
On other phones, OEMs will use the standard Qualcomm DAC and amplifier. In our Axon 7, we have the AKM AK4490 DAC paired with the AKM AK4961 DSP and amplifier.
If you are using LineageOS, the AKM DAC and DSP/amplifier are enabled all the time and the standard Qualcomm DAC is not used at all. This is because of a recent patch in Lineage. Let's review what this mod does:
"enables Qualcomm's high_performancce_mode on your in-built WCD9xxx DAC, this switches headphones class amplifier from Class G to Class A/B"
and
"sets your ALSA sound PCM rate converter to its maximum quality (samplerate_best) and your syetm-wide resampler quality to '4' (Maximum quality value). "
That's great, but the Qualcomm DAC is not used in Lineage. So, this will have no effect.
What about stock MiFavor? Using stock, you can switch between the Qualcomm DAC (Standard mode) and the AKM DAC (Super mode). I can assure you that even with this mod applied, Super mode will be better than Standard mode simply because of the better hardware being used. No amount of software tweaking can compensate for an inferior Qualcomm DAC.
If you set audio to Standard mode and use this mod, the only thing changing from a Class G to a Class AB amplifier will do is remove one voltage supply. It will not impact the audio in any way. If you set audio to Super mode, the AK4961 amplifier is a class G amplifier and is not changed by this mod. Even if there was a mod to change the AK4961 to a Class AB amplifier, it would not change the audio at all. So, in stock MiFavor it will have an effect, however that effect is made useless since we can switch to Super mode and have a better audio experience without using this mod.
This is not just what I think, these are the facts about our Axon 7.
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That's a more well-constructed answer, I'm glad you know how to talk after all.
When I was on mifavor some time ago and used the mod, normal mode sounded better on my headphones than super mode ever did until that day.
Maybe it's the headphones to blame for that?1
In any case I definitely heard a difference.
Anything that can improve our phone is beneficial for it, you're free to use it or not of course.
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That's a more well-constructed answer, I'm glad you know how to talk after all.
When I was on mifavor some time ago and used the mod, normal mode sounded better on my headphones than super mode ever did until that day.
Maybe it's the headphones to blame for that?1
In any case I definitely heard a difference.
Anything that can improve our phone is beneficial for it, you're free to use it or not of course.
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It's very possible it did sound better because of the headphones instead of the phone's audio hardware. The AKM audio hardware is better suited to higher impedance, high-end headphones. If the headphones you were using weren't high-end, Standard mode really could have sounded better.
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It's very possible it did sound better because of the headphones instead of the phone's audio hardware. The AKM audio hardware is better suited to higher impedance, high-end headphones. If the headphones you were using weren't high-end, Standard mode really could have sounded better.
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That's probably the case, they were just 16 ohms.
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That's probably the case, they were just 16 ohms.
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Yup! When using my IEMs which are also 16 ohms I can hardly hear a difference switching from Super to Standard. However, when using my higher impedance headphones I can clearly hear a difference in both audio quality and volume. That's definitely what happened in your case, and mine for that matter.
I know about the DTS surround capabilities that LG added to the newer firmware for the V30 (still running stock Oreo here but it's rooted with Magisk), and I've been doing research into Dolby Atmos which I know is available as a port for Oreo as well.
I'm curious to know if anyone else has attempted to get it installed or they were successful and what they think of it in actual use with perhaps movie playback (local on the device or streamed with Netflix/etc).
I know it's not going to really do much for me overall but since I do tend to do almost all my audio monitoring with smartphones by wearing headphones (Sony V6, Koss PortaPros and KSC-75 earclips, Monoprice 9927 IEMs which are amazing for the $8 I paid for 'em, etc) I'm still interested in seeing if there's anything actually going on in terms of watching movies and noticing some actual "surround" like effects instead of the simple pure 2-channel stereo playback aspects.
If anyone has any experience with installing that Dolby Atmos port on their V30 - regardless of the ROM but I presume it's got to be at least Android 8.0 Oreo based - I'd love to hear...errr... read your opinions.
Thanks...
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I know about the DTS surround capabilities that LG added to the newer firmware for the V30 (still running stock Oreo here but it's rooted with Magisk)
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Don't mean to hijack your thread but since you mentioned DTS surround sound... I can't remember whether you used the US998 TWRP-flashable zip or you clean flashed from latest KDZ. Just want to make sure you do indeed have the DTS interface in your Settings/Sound section. Most of the recent TWRP-flashable zips already have it enabled, but if you clean flash from stock KDZ you'll have to do it yourself (even if you have root).
Also did you install the Anxious V30 module yet? That definitely enables DTS, as well as installs the DTS Equalizer, and gives you dual speaker mode and improved stock camera (from G7/V40).
Yes, I have the extended menu in the Sound settings, and yes enabling the DTS does offer some noticeable alteration in the sound stage when listening, but it ain't Dolby Atmos obviously and it's not really a DTS surround type decoder capability. I suppose when I said "DTS surround" I pooched it from the gitgo 'cause it ain't actually doing any surround decode actions, just altering the sound stage from what I can hear which isn't the same thing (at least to me, obviously).
And yes, I installed the DTS equalizer separately, I haven't bothered with that Anxious module because it doesn't interest me.
I've heard so many good things about Dolby Atmos for Headphones (pun very much intended) but to this day I still have not actually heard any device with that working properly. My laptop has a decent Realtek HD audio chip in it (ThinkPad W540), and with the latest drivers, and of course there's the Dolby Atmos for Headphones app on the Microsoft Store which offers a 14 day trial but I've attempted multiple times to get that damned thing to work and it just never does. I don't know what the issue is, but there are nothing but complaints about that on Windows 10 and out of thousands of complaints I've seen like 3 people say they got it working properly.
So while I don't have an issue forking over $15 for some decent surround audio processing that is cool and makes things on my laptop - or my phone, doesn't matter - actually more interesting (note I'm careful not to say something stupid like "make it sound better"), I'm not going to pay for some add-on or software that doesn't actually work at all even if they do offer a refund because of issues getting it functional.
So this Dolby Atmos for Oreo is something I'm definitely interesting in attempting to get functional. I know there is technically a DTS X for Headphones but the DTS support in LG's firmware is *not* that so yes, I'm still wondering about the Dolby Atmos potential.
But thanks for the response just the same. I still haven't attempted to get Lineage on my V30 yet because the instructions I found for the H931 converted model are not quite as clear as I like so, I'll be waiting till someone responds to the post/question I asked in that other thread related to that particular aspect. I do want to see how Lineage runs on this V30, however, so at some point I presume I'll figure it out.
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I know about the DTS surround capabilities that LG added to the newer firmware for the V30 (still running stock Oreo here but it's rooted with Magisk), and I've been doing research into Dolby Atmos which I know is available as a port for Oreo as well.
I'm curious to know if anyone else has attempted to get it installed or they were successful and what they think of it in actual use with perhaps movie playback (local on the device or streamed with Netflix/etc).
I know it's not going to really do much for me overall but since I do tend to do almost all my audio monitoring with smartphones by wearing headphones (Sony V6, Koss PortaPros and KSC-75 earclips, Monoprice 9927 IEMs which are amazing for the $8 I paid for 'em, etc) I'm still interested in seeing if there's anything actually going on in terms of watching movies and noticing some actual "surround" like effects instead of the simple pure 2-channel stereo playback aspects.
If anyone has any experience with installing that Dolby Atmos port on their V30 - regardless of the ROM but I presume it's got to be at least Android 8.0 Oreo based - I'd love to hear...errr... read your opinions.
Thanks...
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Dolby Atmos is crapware. If the device comes with it, then yes it works. People claim that they can port it but that's a load of BS. The same BS claims the A.R.I.S.E team used to make with their mods.
A Dev that makes a popular sound mod actually looked into this stuff. Only 1 guy has ever ported Dolby Atmos and he stopped doing it for some reason. So any Dolby Atmos mod that you see right now is 99% not actually working.
I say 99% because who knows, that 1 guy who successfully did it, might come out of retirement. Even the A.R.I.S.E team recognize that only he can do it.
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It's software, it's not a hardware capability, so I can't comprehend why it's so difficult to actually get it to work on most any devices, especially those with much higher quality DACs with vastly more capabilities than just 16-bit 44.1 kHz output stuff, oh well.
I mean, I'm still pissed this laptop issue of mine is the same basically: it just never works and I don't know why because it's literally done through software on pretty much any device except a serious piece of hardware like a 5.1/7.1/9.1/10.1/etc home theater audio amp/receiver/etc. I suppose I should just be content knowing that I can still hear anything at all given I'm getting older by the day.
Guess we'll see what happens...
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It's software, it's not a hardware capability, so I can't comprehend why it's so difficult to actually get it to work on most any devices, especially those with much higher quality DACs with vastly more capabilities than just 16-bit 44.1 kHz output stuff, oh well.
I mean, I'm still pissed this laptop issue of mine is the same basically: it just never works and I don't know why because it's literally done through software on pretty much any device except a serious piece of hardware like a 5.1/7.1/9.1/10.1/etc home theater audio amp/receiver/etc. I suppose I should just be content knowing that I can still hear anything at all given I'm getting older by the day.
Guess we'll see what happens...
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Yes, while it is SW, you still need the framework.
UltraM8 ( I believe that's his correct username) had explain this in great detail. You don't have to know much, he explains everything to the "T".
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I've heard so many good things about Dolby Atmos for Headphones (pun very much intended) but to this day I still have not actually heard any device with that working properly.
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You can always pick up a cheap used Axon 7. Has a quad dac with Dolby Atmos.
Trust me, even the Dev that "successfully ported Dolby Atmos" , sounds like crap compared to a device that comes with it natively.
That's why I'm skeptical about how successful he was in porting it.
I also want to point out that even CyanogenMod Inc had it's own audio software that was never able to be ported into CyanogenMod. Devs tried to, never worked.
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Yes, I understand all of that and much more, and this was never meant to be a make-it-or-break-it thing, just an interest in seeing what all the fuss is about and whether or not Dolby Atmos for Headphones can actually give me any "surround" experience at all. Been listening to most every audio technology that's come into existence since the early 1970s, and nothing except one particular file - the infamous binaural recording done years ago by David Chesky know as "Dr. Chesky's Shave" - ever gave me any actually noticeable sense of audio coming from someplace other than directly left or right with headphones on.
Hell, I've even attempted to use those funky "5.1" and "7.1" headphones that have multiple drivers in them meant to produce sound from positions in front, behind, and above and below the ear canal, nothing but gimmicks as expected.
But Dolby wouldn't be doing so much research into that stuff for headphones if there wasn't something driving it (pun very much intended) so I'm interested, that's all.
Thanks for the responses...
Qualcomm has been very cloak & dagger about different versions of aptX adaptive, and aptX voice, and aptX lossless.
My main interest is aptX voice support. Since the google Tensor chip isn't a QUALCOMM thing, there's no official support for "snapdragon sound".
Does anyone know if someone can rip snapdragon sound from another device and put it on a pixel 6 with a custom rom?
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Does the Pixel 6 Pro include aptX, aptX HD, LDAC? Specs page is silent - Google Pixel Community
aptx is supported on the pixel so what you're asking should work, as long as you're using a compatible audio device
As already pointed out, Pixel 6 supports QCOM's aptX, aptX HD audio codecs. You couldn't "rip" support for additional codecs anyway, they are hardware dependent and rely on proprietary vendor binaries. No support for aptX Adaptive or Low Latency afaik.
aptx is low latency?
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aptx is low latency?
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THis is a complicated question to answer "it depends".
HOwever, the product known as aptx-LL is not usually available with OS native bluetooth stacks, it's implemented usually with USB dongles that the computer or phone sees as a generic usb audio device. Thus, aptx-LL is vaporware without the use of a dongle.
Presumably the long term goal is for that to eventually be replaced by aptx Adaptive, which combines some of the LL & HD features to some extent. Unfortunately, it's become impossible to know which "Versions" of aptx adaptive are supported by various phones and headphones, because qualcomm's "snapdragon sound" certification is confusing to end users. Presumably, most devices support aptX adaptive, but it's really hard to figure out if a device supports aptX Voice (most don't), AptX TWS+ (most do?) and Aptx Lossless (still too new) which are all part of the "snapdragon sound" umbrella
I've just been through all this trying to find a device that supports Snapdragon Sound, as I review earbuds and need to ensure I am able to give them their best opportunity with supporting services.
Aptx-adaptive is quite commonplace now with most earbuds using the Qualcomm QCC3040 and QCC3046 chipsets, which covers many new releases from Soundpeats and Earfun to KZ, offering this codec as an option. Snapdragon Sound is a marketing term encompassing 96k Aptx-Adaptive and 32k Aptx-Voice, and very few products support it (QCY T18, Edifier NeoBuds S and Lollipods, etc.)
Whilst most 2021 Snapdragon phones support aptx-adaptive, I believe the only devices that support the three Snapdragon Sound codecs are those with Snapdragon 888 and higher processors.
I tried my Snapdragon Sound-capable earbuds on a few other devices and was able to get aptx-adaptive working but had some issues getting consistent 48k.
I ended up settling on the (otherwise awful) Xiaomi 11T Pro as the only others that supported the codecs at the time were Moto devices mostly only available in the U.S. I agree it is confusing and not particularly user friendly - there is no indication you're getting the desired codec, you have to dig around a fair bit to see what you're actually using. It's not even as easy as selecting LDAC or LHDC - seems like hi resolution sound is very much an afterthought.
can i say its killing me there aint no dolby atmos (the soundfx version, not the decoder version)
trying wavelet, but there are drop outs, im troubleshooting it
im hedging my bets, bt 5.2 etc will over take at some point with features