hey, just ran the following side by side...
both same file and HD 720p.
Xperia has a nice HD screen..
Both units are at full brightness.
angles on the samsung is much much better..
Blacks are better...
i will do a comparison with Iphone 4S later on...
but Super AMOLED plus still kicks Sony's ass..
anyone have this kind of results???
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but Super AMOLED plus still kicks Sony's ass..
anyone have this kind of results???
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No. I'm glad the Sony uses a more natural-colored LCD screen than the day-glo, turqoise-tinted AMOLED of Samsung.
any video footage of these phones running side by side?
haha I think my friend you're dreaming that Samsung Display kicks Sony's Ass, I compared the two displays and XPS Display is more vibrant in colours and it's very nice to look onto.
My opinion is...
Samsung Amoled Plus display on SGS2
Pros:
- Best contrast
- Beter viewing angles
- True black
Cons:
- Too much color saturation
- Yellow tinting problem
- Too low resolution for such a big display (217 ppi)
Sony Bravia HD display on Xperia S
Pros:
- More natural colors
- Razor sharp definition (342 ppi)
- Very good contrast
Cons:
- I feel whites are slightly on the yellow side
- Poor viewing angles (although better than many LCDs, but behind IPS displays)
Everyone just choose your poison
I still can't find the perfect LCD..... although for me IPS is the closest so far, if HTC One S had SLCD2 I'd probably have waited for it.
honestly, I don't understand why everyone is complaining about poor viewing angle, its your phone, think of the viewing angle as a benefit for more privacy.
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honestly, I don't understand why everyone is complaining about poor viewing angle, its your phone, think of the viewing angle as a benefit for more privacy.
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Maybe I don't have anything to hide in my phone, but it bothers me more the fact that tilting the phone a few degrees can change the colors than someone trying to watch my screen
super amoled is good but samsung is like a toy or cartoons and its UI..XPS is HD the best resolution display on market today besting iP4s and GNEX..sound quality is 100times better than on samsung especially when using headset its same level as beats audio.the UI is refined and it looks formal/professional like iphone has...viewing angle is not a big issue, im not using my phone at side ways anyway hehehe..Build quality is superb its not wide so it fits in hand comfortably not like other phones. NFC smart tags rocks and sony made a good one with this making the NFC useful in other ways..
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super amoled is good but samsung is like a toy or cartoons and its UI..XPS is HD the best resolution display on market today besting iP4s and GNEX..sound quality is 100times better than on samsung especially when using headset its same level as beats audio.the UI is refined and it looks formal/professional like iphone has...viewing angle is not a big issue, im not using my phone at side ways anyway hehehe..Build quality is superb its not wide so it fits in hand comfortably not like other phones. NFC smart tags rocks and sony made a good one with this making the NFC useful in other ways..
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Yeah! Me too, viewing angle isn't a big issue, we don't need it every time.
But now we can see the White Magic display on Xperia P is very good!
In future that'll come with all Sony's phones ?
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Maybe I don't have anything to hide in my phone, but it bothers me more the fact that tilting the phone a few degrees can change the colors than someone trying to watch my screen
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Well after using the phone for a week now I find the discussion about viewing angles in my perspective a non issue...
Sent from my Sony Xperia S (LT26i)
I dunno,
I don't ever look at my phone from an angle, nor do I have people gather around my phone to watch a video. We have TV's and movie theaters for that.
I couldn't care less about viewing my phone from the side.
I agree viewing angle is not an issue on the XS. My experience having both the galaxy s2 and XS is that the screen on the XS is significantly better than the galaxy. The clarity of fonts is exceptional, and the outdoor performance in sunlight is also much better. The S2 is terrible in sunlight, and only really came into it's own watching videos in a dimly lit room.
I think this video will have a clear view on which screen is better..
http://youtu.be/L7KPTYPpOVU
Arc S and SGS 2
View angle is not too bad in XS but i not fancy whether someone sitting next to me in the meeting, reading my confidencial mgs with my girlfriend " talking about last night " better if the viewing angle are not that great
Is it ?
I dont have an issue with viewing angels.
Besides that, i don't like the oversaturation on those AMOLED screens.
Colors are just way to vibrant.
And another thing, XS is alot better viewable in sunlight.
I like the deep blacks with an AMOLED display but aside fromt that i couldn't really give a monkeys toss about viewing angles. Have to say i'm impressed by how well the Xperia S screen fares out in the open and in direct sunlight.
This XPS is such a premium device,great built/design and at last a android phone which has better Display than that retina display of iPhone,superb camera,great audio output both on speaker and headset, and i think the best UI for android phone very impressive and smooth UI and animations..
Got the Samsung GS2 and Sony Xp S. strange that i see sony S screen beets S2 in many ways, even my friends agree with me , like if amoled not that big deal after all, cos LCD still can handel it !! Nd HTC Sensation Xe screen is no mach for the xperia S!!
I think ppl should see both in real eyes not from recording via youtube !!!
try to take some sampels and post them !
Hey guys,
So I have been playing around with the camera on my Z Ultra and I wanted to share a few things with you.
1. DO NOT use Superior Auto at all!!
It destroys pretty much every photo and has too much noise and no sharpness. It's just shockingly bad.
2. Always use normal shooting mode.
3. Become comfortable adjusting settings and actually getting to know the camera so you know when to use appropriate ISO etc.
4. Adjust ISO yourself and keep it at 400 or below. Use in combination with HDR for some very pleasing results.
Those are the 4 most important tips I think. Never ever ever use superior auto. The results with normal mode are very crisp and have lots of sharpness and contrast.
Overall the camera I believe is better than the Xperia Z. I own both and with the right settings, the Z Ultras images appear sharper.
I'll post a few examples.
Thanks and how are you all liking the camera so far?
Sent from my Sony Xperia Z Ultra
Here are a few examples.
1 taking with Superior Auto. The other taking with Normal mode on ISO 100.
Be sure to zoom.in on the bottle. You can see so much noise on the photo taking with Superior Auto.
Hopefully the results speak for themselves
If you want other photos I'll be happy to provide them.
Sent from my Sony Xperia Z Ultra
Way to much red in the photos taken with Superior Auto. Hopefully Sony will fix this in the next update. Btw, do you have the old Sony UI or the new one? (Old has a dark settings menu, while the new one is white)
I have the Old UI with the Bravia Engine 2.
New UI should be released in about a months time. Hopefully sooner
When are you buying your Ultra?
Sent from my Sony Xperia Z Ultra
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I have the Old UI with the Bravia Engine 2.
New UI should be released in about a months time. Hopefully sooner
When are you buying your Ultra?
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I'm buying it as soon as it hits the stores in Norway, which i believe is in the first week of september(?), like the rest of Europe.
Unless a different beast emerges from the depths of hell somewhere, that is (which i highly doubt, so ZU it is.)
Is it not the last week of September it gets released in Europe?
Its funny right now, I am slowly becoming to accept the Z Ultras size as normal and the 6.4" display as normal.
Even when I pick up a 5" device now, it feels so tiny!! Haha
Sent from my Sony Xperia Z Ultra
According to news sources, the release date for europe is september 6th.
I had the same experience when i got my Note. I came from the Desire HD with a 4.3" display, so the Note's size was ridiculous at that time, and i remember laughing my ass of when i unboxed it! Now? Not big at all. It's the same thing with the iPhone. I had the first gen. from the states and a 3GS, and they were really big at the time, but i just laugh at its tiny body now
When do you think phones will stop growing? I imagine 7" with almost no bezels at all will be the limit.
Unboxing my Ultra though, I did laugh when I seen it and my first day carrying it to work etc, quite a surprise haha.
Me personally I love big phones though, can never understand people who say they don't want anything bigger than 4.5 - 4.7 inches.
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Good question, and i have no idea, but i think we are near the limit now. IF the OEM's are planning on something even bigger, then i guess they'll have to make them without any bezels. That would be awesome and i guess a little science fiction looking
Something like this:
ScottishSwan said:
Is it not the last week of September it gets released in Europe?
Its funny right now, I am slowly becoming to accept the Z Ultras size as normal and the 6.4" display as normal.
Even when I pick up a 5" device now, it feels so tiny!! Haha
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I agree. I love big devices and my Xperia Z feels really tiny in comparison but one thing is for sure: I think the Ultra is the biggest size that a phablet can have and still being pocketable.
It fits my pockets but I notice that I can't carry a bigger device in them. The future development could be smaller bezels and therefore perhaps a 6,8 and perhaps even a 7 inch screen. I would even guess that the small tablets like the Nexus 7 will be replaced by phablets with the same screen size but smaller body (Ultra size).
So the future market will offer phablets up to 7 inch, then tablets starting at 8 inches and upwards followed by dockable "tablets" with screens of 12 inches and bigger. The small tablet is going to become a phablet - adding smaller bezels and a smaller body to the existing 7 inch screen and putting a dialer on is a straight forward development, especially when the Nexus 7 has connectivity to mobile networks already and the old Galaxy Tab could make calls.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 2014 edition of the Nexus 7 will be a phablet and that Sony are creating a partly new market with the Z Ultra.
Coming from iPhone 5, the UZ produces astoundingly bad overprocessed images. What's coming off the sensor is actually pretty good as you can see if you shoot in burst mode since that is the only setting that doesn't add a massive sharpness filter to the output. All other modes are crap. Massive over sharpening and then saving at what has to be 50% jpg quality. I don't get the mentality of putting in user defined ISO settings but forcing sharpening and jpg quality.
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Coming from iPhone 5, the UZ produces astoundingly bad overprocessed images. What's coming off the sensor is actually pretty good as you can see if you shoot in burst mode since that is the only setting that doesn't add a massive sharpness filter to the output. All other modes are crap. Massive over sharpening and then saving at what has to be 50% jpg quality. I don't get the mentality of putting in user defined ISO settings but forcing sharpening and jpg quality.
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I do not have these issues. The only problems i have is when the phone is using Superior Auto.
Any other mode is perfectly sharp and noise free. I have also compared it to my iPhone 5 and the photos are very very comparable when you get the settings right.
Please tell me the about camera settings for best output of images in Xperia Z Ultra .. i donno how to configure my z ultra for best output images .. so please any one help abt best camera settings
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Please tell me the about camera settings for best output of images in Xperia Z Ultra .. i donno how to configure my z ultra for best output images .. so please any one help abt best camera settings
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sounds like u need a crash course on photography instead.
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Please tell me the about camera settings for best output of images in Xperia Z Ultra .. i donno how to configure my z ultra for best output images .. so please any one help abt best camera settings
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1. Always set the camera to Normal mode.
2. Set the ISO at a maximum of 400 and not higher.
3. Use HDR on occasions where it might be needed.
On those settings you will get sharp images. Of course, you have to learn the camera a little yourself too.
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Please tell me the about camera settings for best output of images in Xperia Z Ultra .. i donno how to configure my z ultra for best output images .. so please any one help abt best camera settings
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Frankly, that's not how you learn stuff. What's wrong with just experimenting like normal people do?
Excuse Peppa pig, this was ISO 200, hdr with center focusing
Sent from my C6802 using Tapatalk 4
Looking good
What are your thoughts on the camera?
Sent from my Sony Xperia Z Ultra
Does it miss not having any kind of flash?
Super Chimp said:
Does it miss not having any kind of flash?
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For me personally, in the 10 days I have owned the Z Ultra I have not missed flash at all.
Sent from my Sony Xperia Z Ultra
Hi, I've had this season many phones, including the LG G3, SAMSUNG GALAXY S5, HTC ONE M8 and IPHONE 5S ... until 2 days ago that I bought my new SONY XPERIA ULTRA Z, and say, I'm delighted.
The Lg g3 is pure lag, lag everywhere, either version ko which is, anyway, this is very poorly optimized emovil.
The samsung galaxy s5 is fine, but still does not bring me too, has good camera and good video recording but little more.
The htc one m8 is the more fluid cell phone that I have had, is already playing and the screen where you indicated you ... wonderful, and also good materials etc (which I sold for hobby)
The iphone 5s is a good mobile but small screen and limitations ... that if enough of losd best camera ... and very quickly the photo shoot.
Tired of being a mobile almost every week (yes, believe me), I saw a good deal on a store in my city, the ultra z sony xperia 4G at a great price, and the truth or what I thought ...
Well, the screen is a delight while not ips is tft but with very good contrast, complete fluency .... and now that I just happen to fly this GOOGLE EDITION, also to watch movies, surf, play etc is lovely.
Also now I have the ionplementacion in art, and goes even faster, if that came out just one year ago but is still top mobile practically, with 2 gigs of ram, big screen of 6.44 inches 1080p FULL HD, processor 800 to 2.2 SNAPDRAGON rendering and long life you have left, water resistant up to 128 cards supports gigs, the safest thing we ANDROID L, even the GOOGLE EDITION.
Abri this post to comment that I like it a lot the phone, I've also had the note 3 and really, it looked like toy beside ..
a hug and long life to the ULTRA Z !!
Congrats and welcome One small correction though, the Ultra has an IPS panel and not a TFT. It was the first Sony phone (as far as i know) to use an IPS panel. The Z1 on the other hand (which got released around the same time as the Ultra) has a TFT panel.
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Congrats and welcome One small correction though, the Ultra has an IPS panel and not a TFT. It was the first Sony phone (as far as i know) to use an IPS panel. The Z1 on the other hand (which got released around the same time as the Ultra) has a TFT panel.
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I Always thought it looked a lot better but I stayed with tft doubt, that just solved me a hug and thanks !!:good:
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Congrats and welcome One small correction though, the Ultra has an IPS panel and not a TFT. It was the first Sony phone (as far as i know) to use an IPS panel. The Z1 on the other hand (which got released around the same time as the Ultra) has a TFT panel.
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Can not see if the internet ips haha, pass me a link if you can please
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Can not see if the internet ips haha, pass me a link if you can please
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Well, to make it a little more technical, TFT LCD - or "Thin-film-transistor liquid-crystal display" is what every LCD display out there is. IPS, or "In-Plane Switching" is still TFT, but improved in several areas (like viewing angles and contrast). The Z1 uses a TN VA-TFT LCD panel (which is the standard and older TFT technology with poor(er) viewing angles, while the Z Ultra, Z2, Z3 etc. uses AH-IPS TFT LCD panels which solves the viewing angle issues and also contrast. Most places will simply refer the panel as a TFT LCD, but devs and other more in-depth articles (which hilariously i can't seem to find now) have confirmed that the Z Ultra does indeed have an IPS panel.
There are to different types of panels used in the Z Ultra. A Sharp panel, which looks to be the best one (contrast is a little better) and an AUO panel. You can check your own display by using ADB or running a command directly from a mobile terminal on your Ultra. I do however (again) not remember the command, but i guess someone else around here will have it.
H. E. Pennypacker said:
Well, to make it a little more technical, TFT LCD - or "Thin-film-transistor liquid-crystal display" is what every LCD display out there is. IPS, or "In-Plane Switching" is still TFT, but improved in several areas (like viewing angles and contrast). The Z1 uses a TN VA-TFT LCD panel (which is the standard and older TFT technology with poor(er) viewing angles, while the Z Ultra, Z2, Z3 etc. uses AH-IPS TFT LCD panels which solves the viewing angle issues and also contrast. Most places will simply refer the panel as a TFT LCD, but devs and other more in-depth articles (which hilariously i can't seem to find now) have confirmed that the Z Ultra does indeed have an IPS panel.
There are to different types of panels used in the Z Ultra. A Sharp panel, which looks to be the best one (contrast is a little better) and an AUO panel. You can check your own display by using ADB or running a command directly from a mobile terminal on your Ultra. I do however (again) not remember the command, but i guess someone else around here will have it.
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thank you very much for the explanation !!, actually my screen seems very good, and I've not had a few phones, a hug !![emoji2]
I recently got a Google Play edition and it's been refreshing. My Mega (6.3) was killing me from all sorts of things, So glad to not have to deal with Samsung anymore. Also get to finally use LTE too.
Hello, my fellow members:
Like many of you out there, I am in grief
Only a few months ago I purchased the Sony Xperia 1 Mark III and started enjoying it. But that joy did not last long... Sony announced Sony Xperia Pro-I... Now my $1300 top-of-the-line phone is no longer top-of-the-line and it now costs barely $997. Like many of you out there, I am asking myself: should I have waited? Well, if Sony Xperia Pro-i is indeed a game-changer then, yes, I shouldn't rush in buying the Mark III and wait for the next model, but is it? Whell, that's why I am starting this thread to hear your opinions!
I did not put my hands on the Pro-I yet but from its specs listed on gsmarena (see below) they are basically identical with the only difference being the lens and the chip - that is being advertised as a "1" chip".
I am a sony fan, no doubt, as 95% of all electronics I owned or owe are Sony. But when it comes to cameras, I noticed that Sony is very cheap in giving us better chips...They changed their cameras, they upgraded them but inside you would find the same, old, Sony chip. And now I am surprised to see that Sony is pushing it into the cellphone platforms....hmmm, why? Are they ready to make a move and change the chip on the cameras, therefore, they decided to make a little bit of profit still from their old one? Who knows?
Anyway, going back to the Xperia Pro-i, is it a game-changer? Tough question, right? Well, as I said before I own the Xperia 1 Mark III and one of its biggest drawbacks is the battery. Although Sony claims is a 4500mA battery, it does not behave like one - it keeps me running for the day but that's it - at night, I have to charge it.
So, if the Xperia Pro-I has the same battery (as per gsmarena), then how does that battery will power that big 1" chip??? In my opinion: it can not! If Sony would put that big *ss chip in the middle of the phone to work in conjunction with that super-duper, power-hungry display and all other gps , satellite antenas and that octa-core processor and speakers with subwoofer and vibrations and under an android command with many power-consuming applications, then that phone would not last half a day per charge. Therefore, I think that Sony must have cropped that chip but kept the dot pitch and, hopefully, put a better battery with a real 4500mA juice. Therefore, 1" chip might not be a real 1" chip, but still bigger than the one in Mark III.
These are my thoughts, so far. Please share yours! To the lucky future owners of such phones: please be kind and post your opinion. Thank you!
PRO-I MARK III
NETWORKTechnologyGSM / HSPA / LTE / 5GGSM / HSPA / LTE / 5G
LAUNCHAnnounced2021, October 262021, April 14StatusAvailable. Released 2021, December 02Available. Released 2021, August 25
BODYDimensions166 x 72 x 8.9 mm (6.54 x 2.83 x 0.35 in)165 x 71 x 8.2 mm (6.50 x 2.80 x 0.32 in)Weight211 g (7.44 oz)186 g / 187.1 g (mmWave) (6.56 oz)BuildGlass front (Gorilla Glass Victus), glass back (Gorilla Glass 6), aluminum frameGlass front (Gorilla Glass Victus), glass back (Gorilla Glass 6), aluminum frameSIMHybrid Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by)Hybrid Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by) IP65/IP68 dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)
Built-in strap-holeIP65/IP68 dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)
DISPLAYTypeOLED, 1B colors, 120Hz, HDR BT.2020OLED, 1B colors, 120Hz, HDR BT.2020Size6.5 inches, 98.6 cm2 (~82.5% screen-to-body ratio)6.5 inches, 98.6 cm2 (~84.2% screen-to-body ratio)Resolution1644 x 3840 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~643 ppi density)1644 x 3840 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~643 ppi density)ProtectionCorning Gorilla Glass VictusCorning Gorilla Glass Victus Runs at 1096 x 2560 pixels except for select use casesRuns at 1096 x 2560 pixels except for select use cases
PLATFORMOSAndroid 11Android 11ChipsetQualcomm SM8350 Snapdragon 888 5G (5 nm)Qualcomm SM8350 Snapdragon 888 5G (5 nm)CPUOcta-core (1x2.84 GHz Kryo 680 & 3x2.42 GHz Kryo 680 & 4x1.80 GHz Kryo 680)Octa-core (1x2.84 GHz Kryo 680 & 3x2.42 GHz Kryo 680 & 4x1.80 GHz Kryo 680)GPUAdreno 660Adreno 660
MEMORYCard slotmicroSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)Internal512GB 12GB RAM256GB 12GB RAM, 512GB 12GB RAM UFS 3.XUFS 3.X
MAIN CAMERAModules12 MP, f/2.0-4.0, 24mm (wide), 1.0-type, 2.4µm, PDAF, OIS (315 PDAF points, 90% frame coverage)
12 MP, f/2.4, 50mm (telephoto), 1/2.9", PDAF, 2x optical zoom, OIS
12 MP, f/2.2, 124˚, 16mm (ultrawide), 1/2.55", Dual Pixel PDAF
0.3 MP, TOF 3D, (depth)12 MP, f/1.7, 24mm (wide), 1/1.7", 1.8µm, Dual Pixel PDAF, OIS
12 MP, f/2.3, 70mm (telephoto), f/2.8, 105mm (telephoto), 1/2.9", Dual Pixel PDAF, 3x/4.4x optical zoom, OIS
12 MP, f/2.2, 124˚, 16mm (ultrawide), 1/2.6", Dual Pixel PDAF
0.3 MP, TOF 3D, (depth)FeaturesZeiss optics, Zeiss T* lens coating, LED flash, panorama, 12-bit RAW, HDR, eye trackingZeiss optics, Zeiss T* lens coating, LED flash, panorama, HDR, eye trackingVideo[email protected]/25/30/60/120fps HDR, [email protected]/60/120/240fps; 5-axis gyro-EIS, OIS[email protected]/25/30/60/120fps HDR, [email protected]/60/120/240fps; 5-axis gyro-EIS, OIS
SELFIE CAMERAModules8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µm8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µmFeaturesHDRHDRVideo[email protected], 5-axis gyro-EIS[email protected], 5-axis gyro-EIS
SOUNDLoudspeakerYes, with stereo speakersYes, with stereo speakers3.5mm jackYesYes 24-bit/192kHz audio
Dynamic vibration system24-bit/192kHz audio
Dynamic vibration system
COMMSWLANWi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspotWi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspotBluetooth5.2, A2DP, aptX HD, LE5.2, A2DP, LE, aptX HDGPSYes, with dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, BDS, GALILEO, QZSSYes, with dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, BDS, GALILEO, QZSSNFCYesYesInfrared portNoNoRadioNoNoUSBUSB Type-C 3.2; USB On-The-Go, DisplayPortUSB Type-C 3.1; USB On-The-Go, video output
FEATURESSensorsFingerprint (side-mounted), accelerometer, gyro, proximity, barometer, compass, color spectrumFingerprint (side-mounted), accelerometer, gyro, proximity, barometer, compass, color spectrum Native Sony Alpha camera supportNative Sony Alpha camera support
BATTERYTypeLi-Po 4500 mAh, non-removableLi-Po 4500 mAh, non-removableChargingFast charging 30W, 50% in 30 min (advertised)
USB Power DeliveryFast charging 30W, 50% in 30 min (advertised)
Fast wireless charging
Reverse wireless charging
USB Power DeliveryStand-byTalk time
MISCColorsFrosted BlackFrosted Black, Frosted Gray, Frosted PurpleModelsXQ-BE62, XQBE62-B, XQ-BE62-B, XQ-BE62/B, XQ-BE42, XQ-BE42-B, XQ-BE42/BXQBC62/V, XQBC52V.UKCX, SO-51B, SOG03, A101SO, XQ-BC62, XQ-BC72, XQ-BC52, XQ-BC01, XQ-BC11, XQ-BC21, XQ-BC72Price$ 1,798.00 / C$ 2,853.82 / £ 1,599.00 / € 1,799.00$ 997.00 / C$ 1,370.00 / £ 1,083.79 / € 1,249.99
TESTSPerformanceAnTuTu: 725839 (v9)
GeekBench: 3540 (v5.1)
GFXBench: 51fps (ES 3.1 onscreen)AnTuTu: 607423 (v8)
GeekBench: 3515 (v5.1)
GFXBench: 54fps (ES 3.1 onscreen)DisplayContrast ratio: Infinite (nominal)CameraCompare PHOTO / Compare VIDEOLoudspeaker-28.6 LUFS (Average)-26.5 LUFS (Good)Battery life87h endurance rating82h endurance rating
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most people would better be off with x1 iii.
bought pro-i. not really excited. it's just a fancy toy
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most people would better be off with x1 iii.
bought pro-i. not really excited. it's just a fancy toy
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Do you call it a fancy toy because of the price? The Pro I sensor does not take better pictures? The pictures from the Pro I appear quite a bit brighter in auto mode, no?
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Do you call it a fancy toy because of the price? The Pro I sensor does not take better pictures? The pictures from the Pro I appear quite a bit brighter in auto mode, no?
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you see, if something looks like a phone, feels like a phone and works like a phone, it's a phone. Even if the marketing team says it's a camera with a phone attached to it.
A camera with a 1" sensor should be a camera that uses the surface of a 1" sensor, dammit, and not 2/3 of it. If Sony boasted 36mp sensor in their Alpha cameras where you could only use 24, a lot of people would be upset, but here it's advertised as a game-changer.
I bought the phone for a review. Now I'm waiting for the release of Android 12 to help my review stay up-to-date for longer. Xiaomi already has updated its flagships to A12, Samsung also has, but Sony hasn't yet rolled out an update to its most pricy flagship, which makes no sense since both Xiaomi and Samsung have hundreds of phones while Sony only has a few.
Anyway, Sony is the most balanced flagship imo, but its camera is only good for videos. It does do a much better job in that department, with its 10-bit rec.2020 video, it's unmatched. But you need straight hands to be able to use this stuff properly.
Either way, if one is a photographer, I recommend getting an APS-C camera in the likes of Fuji X-T## series. For videography, the Pro-i has an edge.
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you see, if something looks like a phone, feels like a phone and works like a phone, it's a phone. Even if the marketing team says it's a camera with a phone attached to it.
A camera with a 1" sensor should be a camera that uses the surface of a 1" sensor, dammit, and not 2/3 of it. If Sony boasted 36mp sensor in their Alpha cameras where you could only use 24, a lot of people would be upset, but here it's advertised as a game-changer.
I bought the phone for a review. Now I'm waiting for the release of Android 12 to help my review stay up-to-date for longer. Xiaomi already has updated its flagships to A12, Samsung also has, but Sony hasn't yet rolled out an update to its most pricy flagship, which makes no sense since both Xiaomi and Samsung have hundreds of phones while Sony only has a few.
Anyway, Sony is the most balanced flagship imo, but its camera is only good for videos. It does do a much better job in that department, with its 10-bit rec.2020 video, it's unmatched. But you need straight hands to be able to use this stuff properly.
Either way, if one is a photographer, I recommend getting an APS-C camera in the likes of Fuji X-T## series. For videography, the Pro-i has an edge.
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Now I get your comment. Thanks for the full explanation. Your suggestion of an APS cameras like the Fuji is a suggestion with which I agree and have suggested myself. I want to upgrade phones from the Xiaomi Note 10 Pro from 2019 I have now. The Xiaomi Note 10 Pro camera still gets rated above many new phone releases at 131 DXO points. Anyway.... choices for new phones have not justified a purchase to since 2019. From Sony I appreciate the micro card storage, 3.5 jack, the lanyard and the other phone features etc. Close to stock android is a big deal to me. I ran with Pixels for 6 or 7 years. Xperia's are freer from monetization than Sammy or Apple. And I have a history with Sony cameras: the Sony HX 9 travel camera and the Sony Mavica with the floppy drive.
Sony gets top dollar from consumers. But Sony the downsizing of a lot of their divisions and off- loading the TV's etc. I think they are challenged with support. Sony obviously isn't devoting a lot of organizational assets or manpower to their phone division. So the step-child doesn't get the robust support out to consumers with updates.
On top of all that, the Sony dealer where I live in Indonesia doesn't sell the phones (... I won't go into details on that) so I will have to go to Singapore and I have concerns about the service to an overly expensive phone. I really don't know what I would buy that gives me micro-card storage and a 3.5 inch jack for the classical music to which I listen.
I do disagree with you about the big sensor. So what if they only use part of the sensor? There is no way with the tech to take advantage of the whole sensor in today's slab phones. Anyway... mobile phones are a lot of fun to play with.... you are right, maybe all of them are just toys. Have fun amigo.
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I do disagree with you about the big sensor. So what if they only use part of the sensor? There is no way with the tech to take advantage of the whole sensor in today's slab phones. Anyway... mobile phones are a lot of fun to play with.... you are right, maybe all of them are just toys. Have fun amigo.
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Advertising the 1" but only letting users utilize 1/1.3" is a end-user deception. Still, 1/1.3" is big, it's nice, but it's far not the same as having a true 1" sensor. Also, relative aperture is pretty bad, f2.0 was already not impressive in 2017 - mi11 Ultra utilizes a bigger sensor and it's got a bigger relative aperture which resolves the sensor faster.
They should stop deceiving people and say the truth and explain it wisely - say, "We installed the same sensor as in the rx100m7, and cropped it so you could have 4k120 which the rx100m7 is not capable of! Also, the cropped area is the area that is almost entirely covered with phase detection AF points, so you'll only benefit from it in terms of AF speed!" But they don't. And lots of people feel they've been lied to - especially those who own the both devices and find out that Pro-i is limited to 12mp and it's not the same as the 20mp they got out of their RX100.
In the end, if one is into photography that much, they might consider a Xiaomi mi11 Ultra. In my opinion the Xiaomi gives the most camera hardware for money, and out of all the phones you see on the attached photo (i took it, it's not a stock photo), I am most impressed with the potential of mi11 Ultra. That's where you have the biggest relative aperture and a properly utilized huge sensor. At the same time, colors are not the best, Vivo x70pro+ gives colors that are more eye-pleasing if one prefers portraits. But one must not rush into buying Xiaomi if they ever take photos of moving objects due to catastrophic shutter lag. Only Xperias and iPhones, and AFAIK Google Pixels have minimal shutter lag, most other phones left me unsure whether I will always be able to capture rapidly vanishing moments. Xiaomi has the best detail and Vivo has the best color, but it won't matter if the smile is gone or the bike has left the viewfinder.
Pro-i has a very fast camera. Sadly you can't have both speed and high megapixel count on a phone.
In the other topic I uploaded a bunch of photos I took with Pro-I: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/reviews-are-in-on-the-xperia-pro-i.4371697/post-86298867
I saw that you already gave me kudos for that post. Thanks!
I'll wait now and see part of the round of 2022 devices. The Xiaomi I have has a nice camera. You are right, the shutter is slow. I really should stick to a phone like the Xiaomi's that you can get here in Indonesia. The Vivo is nice, but I find the colors oversaturated but the people I know with shoot in auto mode all the time.The Oppo Find X and a few other phones are interesting. The new Xiaomi ultra should be interesting. Still I don't like the operating systems on the Xiaomi. It is getting better, but I prefer a fairly pure android if I can get it.
Look, I am going to nit-pick here, but Sony never said it had a 1" sensor. It said it had a type 1.0 size sensor. Also they did not hide using 1/1.31 size area.
That aside, the real question is: is the Pro I a game changer? Yea and no: There are faster and larger sensors on phones. There are more powerful AI computational phones out there. However, if you don't want your grey rainy skies tinted blue, or yellowing grass made artificially green, then Xperia is the way to go. The Pro I is slightly thicker and noticeably heavier than the Xperia 1 III, which I like, but most will not. Also there is very limited zoom on the Pro I, and I find this a little limiting.
However, the main sensor is better. Better in colour, low light and detail. On phone screen you will not notice it. But on a 4k monitor or 10"x8" is is better. Not a huge difference, but it's there if you care.
This is the game changer: More interestingly is the RAW performance: if this guy is right, then most computational cameras ruin the raw output even if they have amazing jpg output. Here is the Vivo X70 Pro Plus against Xperia Pro I in raw
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Look, I am going to nit-pick here, but Sony never said it had a 1" sensor. It said it had a type 1.0 size sensor. Also they did not hide using 1/1.31 size area.
That aside, the real question is: is the Pro I a game changer? Yea and no: There are faster and larger sensors on phones. There are more powerful AI computational phones out there. However, if you don't want your grey rainy skies tinted blue, or yellowing grass made artificially green, then Xperia is the way to go. The Pro I is slightly thicker and noticeably heavier than the Xperia 1 III, which I like, but most will not. Also there is very limited zoom on the Pro I, and I find this a little limiting.
However, the main sensor is better. Better in colour, low light and detail. On phone screen you will not notice it. But on a 4k monitor or 10"x8" is is better. Not a huge difference, but it's there if you care.
This is the game changer: More interestingly is the RAW performance: if this guy is right, then most computational cameras ruin the raw output even if they have amazing jpg output. Here is the Vivo X70 Pro Plus against Xperia Pro I in raw
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You are right. I notice the difference in photos. You are correct, the sensor is better. I don't like the marketing stretch and over-exuberance. But, don't all the phone companies say they are the best? The size and thickness? Those commentators should get over themselves. Pro-i does computational photography. It is a digital product after all. The Sony look appears to be more natural to me and so I prefer it. Remember the days when photographers debated Kodachrome, Ektachrome, FujiFilm, etc. Each had it's own look. I want to remember the image I see with my eyes the way it was, not some computational blue blazing sky on a dreary day. And yes, there is a real difference in Sony vs. Sammy or Apple. SomeGadgetGuy (knows his stuff) and has said so once or more. Sony is offering a very comprehensive package (head phone jack, etc., etc.). One of these days Sony will hit it out of the park with a decent battery and a little bit of cooling for the damn chip sets. Let's hope Sony keeps up it's distinctive set of phones. The phones are quite apart from the fanboy and fangirl mass products. BTW, I do think Oppo, Xioami and Hauwei( and their sub-brands) are putting out some worthy packages. This should be a fun year for phones.
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You are right. I notice the difference in photos. You are correct, the sensor is better. I don't like the marketing stretch and over-exuberance. But, don't all the phone companies say they are the best? The size and thickness? Those commentators should get over themselves. Pro-i does computational photography. It is a digital product after all. The Sony look appears to be more natural to me and so I prefer it. Remember the days when photographers debated Kodachrome, Ektachrome, FujiFilm, etc. Each had it's own look. I want to remember the image I see with my eyes the way it was, not some computational blue blazing sky on a dreary day. And yes, there is a real difference in Sony vs. Sammy or Apple. SomeGadgetGuy (knows his stuff) and has said so once or more. Sony is offering a very comprehensive package (head phone jack, etc., etc.). One of these days Sony will hit it out of the park with a decent battery and a little bit of cooling for the damn chip sets. Let's hope Sony keeps up it's distinctive set of phones. The phones are quite apart from the fanboy and fangirl mass products. BTW, I do think Oppo, Xioami and Hauwei( and their sub-brands) are putting out some worthy packages. This should be a fun year for phones.
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Agreed on almost all points.
Size and thickness? That was me. Just comparing to the Xperia 1 III. I already have got over myself
Sure, all digital cameras are computational, but you appear to know what I am describing. The over emphasis of sharpening and saturation. The phone companies have gone overboard for me, and it appears you. Kodachrome or Fujifilm would be a nice optional filter, as opposed to Samsung defaults. Personally I find the Xperia a bit flat, and seems to be compared to the dedicated Sony cameras like RX100. But as a data, it gives you a great raw starting point with lightroom. If the YouTube link I gave is true, the other don't stand a chance if that. Lightroom's auto mode is better than iPhone ect.
Yes Vivo, Huawei and by association Honor are doing great things (Vivo you need to switch to Zeiss Natural Color first or it over saturates).
We are in agreement. I see in adverts that Sammy now claims the S22 Ultra has natural colors and a better raw. If the marketing claim is true for more natural and better RAW, then Sony moved the bar. Wouldn't it be great if Hasseblad has a real influence on the Oppo, or Zeiss hits the mark with their Sharp branded phone? It's a fun year for mobile phones. Best.
Take a look at these from the Sony Pro i I bought. Still learning and these are snaps mostly on my 2x's a day dog walks. The dog usually tolerates my camera time. I do need to play more with the video pro and cinema and see if I can unlock the potential. I also just started experimenting with the night time shots. A few shots are in basic. Mostly shot in the P, S, and Manual modes. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9
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Take a look at these from the Sony Pro i I bought. Still learning and these are snaps mostly on my 2x's a day dog walks. The dog usually tolerates my camera time. I do need to play more with the video pro and cinema and see if I can unlock the potential. I also just started experimenting with the night time shots. A few shots are in basic. Mostly shot in the P, S, and Manual modes. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9
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I have added more pics to the mix. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9 Getting better with the camera. Want to find the time to go out alone and shoot photos and video. These are taken with a dog on a leash. The dog is quite patient, but....