Hello, my fellow members:
Like many of you out there, I am in grief
Only a few months ago I purchased the Sony Xperia 1 Mark III and started enjoying it. But that joy did not last long... Sony announced Sony Xperia Pro-I... Now my $1300 top-of-the-line phone is no longer top-of-the-line and it now costs barely $997. Like many of you out there, I am asking myself: should I have waited? Well, if Sony Xperia Pro-i is indeed a game-changer then, yes, I shouldn't rush in buying the Mark III and wait for the next model, but is it? Whell, that's why I am starting this thread to hear your opinions!
I did not put my hands on the Pro-I yet but from its specs listed on gsmarena (see below) they are basically identical with the only difference being the lens and the chip - that is being advertised as a "1" chip".
I am a sony fan, no doubt, as 95% of all electronics I owned or owe are Sony. But when it comes to cameras, I noticed that Sony is very cheap in giving us better chips...They changed their cameras, they upgraded them but inside you would find the same, old, Sony chip. And now I am surprised to see that Sony is pushing it into the cellphone platforms....hmmm, why? Are they ready to make a move and change the chip on the cameras, therefore, they decided to make a little bit of profit still from their old one? Who knows?
Anyway, going back to the Xperia Pro-i, is it a game-changer? Tough question, right? Well, as I said before I own the Xperia 1 Mark III and one of its biggest drawbacks is the battery. Although Sony claims is a 4500mA battery, it does not behave like one - it keeps me running for the day but that's it - at night, I have to charge it.
So, if the Xperia Pro-I has the same battery (as per gsmarena), then how does that battery will power that big 1" chip??? In my opinion: it can not! If Sony would put that big *ss chip in the middle of the phone to work in conjunction with that super-duper, power-hungry display and all other gps , satellite antenas and that octa-core processor and speakers with subwoofer and vibrations and under an android command with many power-consuming applications, then that phone would not last half a day per charge. Therefore, I think that Sony must have cropped that chip but kept the dot pitch and, hopefully, put a better battery with a real 4500mA juice. Therefore, 1" chip might not be a real 1" chip, but still bigger than the one in Mark III.
These are my thoughts, so far. Please share yours! To the lucky future owners of such phones: please be kind and post your opinion. Thank you!
PRO-I MARK III
NETWORKTechnologyGSM / HSPA / LTE / 5GGSM / HSPA / LTE / 5G
LAUNCHAnnounced2021, October 262021, April 14StatusAvailable. Released 2021, December 02Available. Released 2021, August 25
BODYDimensions166 x 72 x 8.9 mm (6.54 x 2.83 x 0.35 in)165 x 71 x 8.2 mm (6.50 x 2.80 x 0.32 in)Weight211 g (7.44 oz)186 g / 187.1 g (mmWave) (6.56 oz)BuildGlass front (Gorilla Glass Victus), glass back (Gorilla Glass 6), aluminum frameGlass front (Gorilla Glass Victus), glass back (Gorilla Glass 6), aluminum frameSIMHybrid Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by)Hybrid Dual SIM (Nano-SIM, dual stand-by) IP65/IP68 dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)
Built-in strap-holeIP65/IP68 dust/water resistant (up to 1.5m for 30 mins)
DISPLAYTypeOLED, 1B colors, 120Hz, HDR BT.2020OLED, 1B colors, 120Hz, HDR BT.2020Size6.5 inches, 98.6 cm2 (~82.5% screen-to-body ratio)6.5 inches, 98.6 cm2 (~84.2% screen-to-body ratio)Resolution1644 x 3840 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~643 ppi density)1644 x 3840 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~643 ppi density)ProtectionCorning Gorilla Glass VictusCorning Gorilla Glass Victus Runs at 1096 x 2560 pixels except for select use casesRuns at 1096 x 2560 pixels except for select use cases
PLATFORMOSAndroid 11Android 11ChipsetQualcomm SM8350 Snapdragon 888 5G (5 nm)Qualcomm SM8350 Snapdragon 888 5G (5 nm)CPUOcta-core (1x2.84 GHz Kryo 680 & 3x2.42 GHz Kryo 680 & 4x1.80 GHz Kryo 680)Octa-core (1x2.84 GHz Kryo 680 & 3x2.42 GHz Kryo 680 & 4x1.80 GHz Kryo 680)GPUAdreno 660Adreno 660
MEMORYCard slotmicroSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)Internal512GB 12GB RAM256GB 12GB RAM, 512GB 12GB RAM UFS 3.XUFS 3.X
MAIN CAMERAModules12 MP, f/2.0-4.0, 24mm (wide), 1.0-type, 2.4µm, PDAF, OIS (315 PDAF points, 90% frame coverage)
12 MP, f/2.4, 50mm (telephoto), 1/2.9", PDAF, 2x optical zoom, OIS
12 MP, f/2.2, 124˚, 16mm (ultrawide), 1/2.55", Dual Pixel PDAF
0.3 MP, TOF 3D, (depth)12 MP, f/1.7, 24mm (wide), 1/1.7", 1.8µm, Dual Pixel PDAF, OIS
12 MP, f/2.3, 70mm (telephoto), f/2.8, 105mm (telephoto), 1/2.9", Dual Pixel PDAF, 3x/4.4x optical zoom, OIS
12 MP, f/2.2, 124˚, 16mm (ultrawide), 1/2.6", Dual Pixel PDAF
0.3 MP, TOF 3D, (depth)FeaturesZeiss optics, Zeiss T* lens coating, LED flash, panorama, 12-bit RAW, HDR, eye trackingZeiss optics, Zeiss T* lens coating, LED flash, panorama, HDR, eye trackingVideo[email protected]/25/30/60/120fps HDR, [email protected]/60/120/240fps; 5-axis gyro-EIS, OIS[email protected]/25/30/60/120fps HDR, [email protected]/60/120/240fps; 5-axis gyro-EIS, OIS
SELFIE CAMERAModules8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µm8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µmFeaturesHDRHDRVideo[email protected], 5-axis gyro-EIS[email protected], 5-axis gyro-EIS
SOUNDLoudspeakerYes, with stereo speakersYes, with stereo speakers3.5mm jackYesYes 24-bit/192kHz audio
Dynamic vibration system24-bit/192kHz audio
Dynamic vibration system
COMMSWLANWi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspotWi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, hotspotBluetooth5.2, A2DP, aptX HD, LE5.2, A2DP, LE, aptX HDGPSYes, with dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, BDS, GALILEO, QZSSYes, with dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, BDS, GALILEO, QZSSNFCYesYesInfrared portNoNoRadioNoNoUSBUSB Type-C 3.2; USB On-The-Go, DisplayPortUSB Type-C 3.1; USB On-The-Go, video output
FEATURESSensorsFingerprint (side-mounted), accelerometer, gyro, proximity, barometer, compass, color spectrumFingerprint (side-mounted), accelerometer, gyro, proximity, barometer, compass, color spectrum Native Sony Alpha camera supportNative Sony Alpha camera support
BATTERYTypeLi-Po 4500 mAh, non-removableLi-Po 4500 mAh, non-removableChargingFast charging 30W, 50% in 30 min (advertised)
USB Power DeliveryFast charging 30W, 50% in 30 min (advertised)
Fast wireless charging
Reverse wireless charging
USB Power DeliveryStand-byTalk time
MISCColorsFrosted BlackFrosted Black, Frosted Gray, Frosted PurpleModelsXQ-BE62, XQBE62-B, XQ-BE62-B, XQ-BE62/B, XQ-BE42, XQ-BE42-B, XQ-BE42/BXQBC62/V, XQBC52V.UKCX, SO-51B, SOG03, A101SO, XQ-BC62, XQ-BC72, XQ-BC52, XQ-BC01, XQ-BC11, XQ-BC21, XQ-BC72Price$ 1,798.00 / C$ 2,853.82 / £ 1,599.00 / € 1,799.00$ 997.00 / C$ 1,370.00 / £ 1,083.79 / € 1,249.99
TESTSPerformanceAnTuTu: 725839 (v9)
GeekBench: 3540 (v5.1)
GFXBench: 51fps (ES 3.1 onscreen)AnTuTu: 607423 (v8)
GeekBench: 3515 (v5.1)
GFXBench: 54fps (ES 3.1 onscreen)DisplayContrast ratio: Infinite (nominal)CameraCompare PHOTO / Compare VIDEOLoudspeaker-28.6 LUFS (Average)-26.5 LUFS (Good)Battery life87h endurance rating82h endurance rating
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most people would better be off with x1 iii.
bought pro-i. not really excited. it's just a fancy toy
saved-j said:
most people would better be off with x1 iii.
bought pro-i. not really excited. it's just a fancy toy
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Do you call it a fancy toy because of the price? The Pro I sensor does not take better pictures? The pictures from the Pro I appear quite a bit brighter in auto mode, no?
marcus01432 said:
Do you call it a fancy toy because of the price? The Pro I sensor does not take better pictures? The pictures from the Pro I appear quite a bit brighter in auto mode, no?
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you see, if something looks like a phone, feels like a phone and works like a phone, it's a phone. Even if the marketing team says it's a camera with a phone attached to it.
A camera with a 1" sensor should be a camera that uses the surface of a 1" sensor, dammit, and not 2/3 of it. If Sony boasted 36mp sensor in their Alpha cameras where you could only use 24, a lot of people would be upset, but here it's advertised as a game-changer.
I bought the phone for a review. Now I'm waiting for the release of Android 12 to help my review stay up-to-date for longer. Xiaomi already has updated its flagships to A12, Samsung also has, but Sony hasn't yet rolled out an update to its most pricy flagship, which makes no sense since both Xiaomi and Samsung have hundreds of phones while Sony only has a few.
Anyway, Sony is the most balanced flagship imo, but its camera is only good for videos. It does do a much better job in that department, with its 10-bit rec.2020 video, it's unmatched. But you need straight hands to be able to use this stuff properly.
Either way, if one is a photographer, I recommend getting an APS-C camera in the likes of Fuji X-T## series. For videography, the Pro-i has an edge.
saved-j said:
you see, if something looks like a phone, feels like a phone and works like a phone, it's a phone. Even if the marketing team says it's a camera with a phone attached to it.
A camera with a 1" sensor should be a camera that uses the surface of a 1" sensor, dammit, and not 2/3 of it. If Sony boasted 36mp sensor in their Alpha cameras where you could only use 24, a lot of people would be upset, but here it's advertised as a game-changer.
I bought the phone for a review. Now I'm waiting for the release of Android 12 to help my review stay up-to-date for longer. Xiaomi already has updated its flagships to A12, Samsung also has, but Sony hasn't yet rolled out an update to its most pricy flagship, which makes no sense since both Xiaomi and Samsung have hundreds of phones while Sony only has a few.
Anyway, Sony is the most balanced flagship imo, but its camera is only good for videos. It does do a much better job in that department, with its 10-bit rec.2020 video, it's unmatched. But you need straight hands to be able to use this stuff properly.
Either way, if one is a photographer, I recommend getting an APS-C camera in the likes of Fuji X-T## series. For videography, the Pro-i has an edge.
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Now I get your comment. Thanks for the full explanation. Your suggestion of an APS cameras like the Fuji is a suggestion with which I agree and have suggested myself. I want to upgrade phones from the Xiaomi Note 10 Pro from 2019 I have now. The Xiaomi Note 10 Pro camera still gets rated above many new phone releases at 131 DXO points. Anyway.... choices for new phones have not justified a purchase to since 2019. From Sony I appreciate the micro card storage, 3.5 jack, the lanyard and the other phone features etc. Close to stock android is a big deal to me. I ran with Pixels for 6 or 7 years. Xperia's are freer from monetization than Sammy or Apple. And I have a history with Sony cameras: the Sony HX 9 travel camera and the Sony Mavica with the floppy drive.
Sony gets top dollar from consumers. But Sony the downsizing of a lot of their divisions and off- loading the TV's etc. I think they are challenged with support. Sony obviously isn't devoting a lot of organizational assets or manpower to their phone division. So the step-child doesn't get the robust support out to consumers with updates.
On top of all that, the Sony dealer where I live in Indonesia doesn't sell the phones (... I won't go into details on that) so I will have to go to Singapore and I have concerns about the service to an overly expensive phone. I really don't know what I would buy that gives me micro-card storage and a 3.5 inch jack for the classical music to which I listen.
I do disagree with you about the big sensor. So what if they only use part of the sensor? There is no way with the tech to take advantage of the whole sensor in today's slab phones. Anyway... mobile phones are a lot of fun to play with.... you are right, maybe all of them are just toys. Have fun amigo.
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I do disagree with you about the big sensor. So what if they only use part of the sensor? There is no way with the tech to take advantage of the whole sensor in today's slab phones. Anyway... mobile phones are a lot of fun to play with.... you are right, maybe all of them are just toys. Have fun amigo.
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Advertising the 1" but only letting users utilize 1/1.3" is a end-user deception. Still, 1/1.3" is big, it's nice, but it's far not the same as having a true 1" sensor. Also, relative aperture is pretty bad, f2.0 was already not impressive in 2017 - mi11 Ultra utilizes a bigger sensor and it's got a bigger relative aperture which resolves the sensor faster.
They should stop deceiving people and say the truth and explain it wisely - say, "We installed the same sensor as in the rx100m7, and cropped it so you could have 4k120 which the rx100m7 is not capable of! Also, the cropped area is the area that is almost entirely covered with phase detection AF points, so you'll only benefit from it in terms of AF speed!" But they don't. And lots of people feel they've been lied to - especially those who own the both devices and find out that Pro-i is limited to 12mp and it's not the same as the 20mp they got out of their RX100.
In the end, if one is into photography that much, they might consider a Xiaomi mi11 Ultra. In my opinion the Xiaomi gives the most camera hardware for money, and out of all the phones you see on the attached photo (i took it, it's not a stock photo), I am most impressed with the potential of mi11 Ultra. That's where you have the biggest relative aperture and a properly utilized huge sensor. At the same time, colors are not the best, Vivo x70pro+ gives colors that are more eye-pleasing if one prefers portraits. But one must not rush into buying Xiaomi if they ever take photos of moving objects due to catastrophic shutter lag. Only Xperias and iPhones, and AFAIK Google Pixels have minimal shutter lag, most other phones left me unsure whether I will always be able to capture rapidly vanishing moments. Xiaomi has the best detail and Vivo has the best color, but it won't matter if the smile is gone or the bike has left the viewfinder.
Pro-i has a very fast camera. Sadly you can't have both speed and high megapixel count on a phone.
In the other topic I uploaded a bunch of photos I took with Pro-I: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/reviews-are-in-on-the-xperia-pro-i.4371697/post-86298867
I saw that you already gave me kudos for that post. Thanks!
I'll wait now and see part of the round of 2022 devices. The Xiaomi I have has a nice camera. You are right, the shutter is slow. I really should stick to a phone like the Xiaomi's that you can get here in Indonesia. The Vivo is nice, but I find the colors oversaturated but the people I know with shoot in auto mode all the time.The Oppo Find X and a few other phones are interesting. The new Xiaomi ultra should be interesting. Still I don't like the operating systems on the Xiaomi. It is getting better, but I prefer a fairly pure android if I can get it.
Look, I am going to nit-pick here, but Sony never said it had a 1" sensor. It said it had a type 1.0 size sensor. Also they did not hide using 1/1.31 size area.
That aside, the real question is: is the Pro I a game changer? Yea and no: There are faster and larger sensors on phones. There are more powerful AI computational phones out there. However, if you don't want your grey rainy skies tinted blue, or yellowing grass made artificially green, then Xperia is the way to go. The Pro I is slightly thicker and noticeably heavier than the Xperia 1 III, which I like, but most will not. Also there is very limited zoom on the Pro I, and I find this a little limiting.
However, the main sensor is better. Better in colour, low light and detail. On phone screen you will not notice it. But on a 4k monitor or 10"x8" is is better. Not a huge difference, but it's there if you care.
This is the game changer: More interestingly is the RAW performance: if this guy is right, then most computational cameras ruin the raw output even if they have amazing jpg output. Here is the Vivo X70 Pro Plus against Xperia Pro I in raw
jagwap42 said:
Look, I am going to nit-pick here, but Sony never said it had a 1" sensor. It said it had a type 1.0 size sensor. Also they did not hide using 1/1.31 size area.
That aside, the real question is: is the Pro I a game changer? Yea and no: There are faster and larger sensors on phones. There are more powerful AI computational phones out there. However, if you don't want your grey rainy skies tinted blue, or yellowing grass made artificially green, then Xperia is the way to go. The Pro I is slightly thicker and noticeably heavier than the Xperia 1 III, which I like, but most will not. Also there is very limited zoom on the Pro I, and I find this a little limiting.
However, the main sensor is better. Better in colour, low light and detail. On phone screen you will not notice it. But on a 4k monitor or 10"x8" is is better. Not a huge difference, but it's there if you care.
This is the game changer: More interestingly is the RAW performance: if this guy is right, then most computational cameras ruin the raw output even if they have amazing jpg output. Here is the Vivo X70 Pro Plus against Xperia Pro I in raw
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You are right. I notice the difference in photos. You are correct, the sensor is better. I don't like the marketing stretch and over-exuberance. But, don't all the phone companies say they are the best? The size and thickness? Those commentators should get over themselves. Pro-i does computational photography. It is a digital product after all. The Sony look appears to be more natural to me and so I prefer it. Remember the days when photographers debated Kodachrome, Ektachrome, FujiFilm, etc. Each had it's own look. I want to remember the image I see with my eyes the way it was, not some computational blue blazing sky on a dreary day. And yes, there is a real difference in Sony vs. Sammy or Apple. SomeGadgetGuy (knows his stuff) and has said so once or more. Sony is offering a very comprehensive package (head phone jack, etc., etc.). One of these days Sony will hit it out of the park with a decent battery and a little bit of cooling for the damn chip sets. Let's hope Sony keeps up it's distinctive set of phones. The phones are quite apart from the fanboy and fangirl mass products. BTW, I do think Oppo, Xioami and Hauwei( and their sub-brands) are putting out some worthy packages. This should be a fun year for phones.
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You are right. I notice the difference in photos. You are correct, the sensor is better. I don't like the marketing stretch and over-exuberance. But, don't all the phone companies say they are the best? The size and thickness? Those commentators should get over themselves. Pro-i does computational photography. It is a digital product after all. The Sony look appears to be more natural to me and so I prefer it. Remember the days when photographers debated Kodachrome, Ektachrome, FujiFilm, etc. Each had it's own look. I want to remember the image I see with my eyes the way it was, not some computational blue blazing sky on a dreary day. And yes, there is a real difference in Sony vs. Sammy or Apple. SomeGadgetGuy (knows his stuff) and has said so once or more. Sony is offering a very comprehensive package (head phone jack, etc., etc.). One of these days Sony will hit it out of the park with a decent battery and a little bit of cooling for the damn chip sets. Let's hope Sony keeps up it's distinctive set of phones. The phones are quite apart from the fanboy and fangirl mass products. BTW, I do think Oppo, Xioami and Hauwei( and their sub-brands) are putting out some worthy packages. This should be a fun year for phones.
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Agreed on almost all points.
Size and thickness? That was me. Just comparing to the Xperia 1 III. I already have got over myself
Sure, all digital cameras are computational, but you appear to know what I am describing. The over emphasis of sharpening and saturation. The phone companies have gone overboard for me, and it appears you. Kodachrome or Fujifilm would be a nice optional filter, as opposed to Samsung defaults. Personally I find the Xperia a bit flat, and seems to be compared to the dedicated Sony cameras like RX100. But as a data, it gives you a great raw starting point with lightroom. If the YouTube link I gave is true, the other don't stand a chance if that. Lightroom's auto mode is better than iPhone ect.
Yes Vivo, Huawei and by association Honor are doing great things (Vivo you need to switch to Zeiss Natural Color first or it over saturates).
We are in agreement. I see in adverts that Sammy now claims the S22 Ultra has natural colors and a better raw. If the marketing claim is true for more natural and better RAW, then Sony moved the bar. Wouldn't it be great if Hasseblad has a real influence on the Oppo, or Zeiss hits the mark with their Sharp branded phone? It's a fun year for mobile phones. Best.
Take a look at these from the Sony Pro i I bought. Still learning and these are snaps mostly on my 2x's a day dog walks. The dog usually tolerates my camera time. I do need to play more with the video pro and cinema and see if I can unlock the potential. I also just started experimenting with the night time shots. A few shots are in basic. Mostly shot in the P, S, and Manual modes. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9
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Take a look at these from the Sony Pro i I bought. Still learning and these are snaps mostly on my 2x's a day dog walks. The dog usually tolerates my camera time. I do need to play more with the video pro and cinema and see if I can unlock the potential. I also just started experimenting with the night time shots. A few shots are in basic. Mostly shot in the P, S, and Manual modes. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9
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I have added more pics to the mix. https://photos.app.goo.gl/BM9Ratorvioy5XKS9 Getting better with the camera. Want to find the time to go out alone and shoot photos and video. These are taken with a dog on a leash. The dog is quite patient, but....
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Hey guys this is a detailed list, the Xperia Z was just announced so going of GSMarena specs, if there are any errors plz correct the list, thanks!
Nexus 10
Higher resolution
Higher PPI
Wi-Fi Direct?
Direct updates
Stock Android
More Ergonomic? (rubber rounded back)
Xperia z tab
LTE/4G
Lighter
Thinner
Premium Design
Dust proof
Water proof
S-Force surround sound
microSD
Wi-Fi hotpot
Infrared port
Blutooth 4.0
8mp camera
LED flash
2.2 front camera
cyprusx said:
Hey guys this is a detailed list, the Xperia Z was just announced so going of GSMarena specs, if there are any errors plz correct the list, thanks!
Nexus 10
Higher resolution
Higher PPI
Wi-Fi Direct?
Direct updates
Stock Android
More Ergonomic? (rubber rounded back)
Xperia z tab
LTE/4G
Lighter
Thinner
Premium Design
Dust proof
Water proof
S-Force surround sound
microSD
Wi-Fi hotpot
Infrared port
Blutooth 4.0
8mp camera
LED flash
2.2 front camera
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Xperia Z for me please!
Sent from my LG-P990 using xda app-developers app
Will have better colors on the Z tablet
I don't think the price will be the same :fingers-crossed: and it's not gonna get updated that fast
cyprusx said:
Hey guys this is a detailed list, the Xperia Z was just announced so going of GSMarena specs, if there are any errors plz correct the list, thanks!
Nexus 10
Higher resolution
Higher PPI
Wi-Fi Direct?
Direct updates
Stock Android
More Ergonomic? (rubber rounded back)
Xperia z tab
LTE/4G
Lighter
Thinner
Premium Design
Dust proof
Water proof
S-Force surround sound
microSD
Wi-Fi hotpot
Infrared port
Blutooth 4.0
8mp camera
LED flash
2.2 front camera
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N10 has LED flash as well, and 4.0 bluetooth.
Sent from my Nexus 10 using xda app-developers app
The resolution on the XZ is better than the N10 because it's more practical. At 10+ inches away you won't see the difference in PPI between the two displays. And the lower resolution (but still FHD) display will use less CPU/GPU power and battery. Speaking of battery, 6,000 mAh is pretty small for a 10.1" tablet with a S4 Pro CPU and FHD display. That could be the XZ's Achilles Heal. The rest of the specs are indeed impressive.
Stock Android and stock Nexus are so good and at such a low price that they will keep me happy whilst I receive the timely Android updates
Naturally, a newer tablet will be better than an older tablet at least hardware wise or else it wouldn't sell.
That said, the Xperia Tablet Z will probably do better than the Nexus 10 in probably almost all aspects except development, text clarity, and possibly line-out (headphone) sound quality. Image clarity and such is much better suited for a 1080p screen unless there is a sudden surge and revolution of 1440p+ displays in this coming year.
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N10 has LED flash as well, and 4.0 bluetooth.
Sent from my Nexus 10 using xda app-developers app
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According to numerous sources and GSMarena the nexus 10 has 3.0
If I need 4G/LTE, I'll just tether it to my Verizon phone I already have.
Otherwise, I see nothing in that list which would cause me to jump ship or even give a second thought about.
More than happy with the design and engineering on the N10.
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Naturally, a newer tablet will be better than an older tablet at least hardware wise or else it wouldn't sell.
That said, the Xperia Tablet Z will probably do better than the Nexus 10 in probably almost all aspects except development, text clarity, and possibly line-out (headphone) sound quality. Image clarity and such is much better suited for a 1080p screen unless there is a sudden surge and revolution of 1440p+ displays in this coming year.
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There's a similar debate about the value of PPI going on in the DNA forums. It matters less than you think. This is from that discussion...
BarryH_GEG said:
The biggest discussion point for newer devices like the N10 and now the DNA/Butterfly are their awesome displays. The thing people lose sight of (no pun intended) is that the human eye is only capable of processing and resolving images at a certain level. Any detail beyond that level is literally wasted. The 20/20 human eye has a maximum visual acuity of 1 arcminute. That is, two points must subtend an angle greater than 1 arcminute in order for a 20/20 eye to resolve the two points. What this means for displays is that pixels must have an angular subtense of 1 arcminute or greater in order for your eye to resolve the detail in the content. Detail below 1 arcminute isn't perceived by the human eye any differently whether a display has 267 PPI or 441 PPI. This is the reason Apple landed on the resolution they did hence the name "retina display." For example, the N2 has an arcminute subtense of 1.073 arcminutes which is nearly perfect and it has a PPI of 267. The DNA has an acrminute subtense of .66 and PPI of 441 which is a waste because anything below "1" can't be resolved by the human eye.
So super high definition displays are more a marketing gimmick, draw more CPU power, and drain the battery faster with the end result being your eyes won't notice any difference. I don't know what the exact numbers are for the Note and N10 but at 147 PPI the Note's above 1 arcminute and at 299 PPI the N10's below it. So you'll notice a difference on text and CGI (but not images and video) but it's not as pronounced as some people here have said unless they have super-human vision. And with the new fixation on resolution things like brightness, contrast, and color accuracy get swept under the rug because all people are focusing on is a PPI count rather than the actual quality of the display. In those areas the Note’s display outperforms the N10’s. And the 1080P display on the DNA isn’t as good in those areas as the 720P display on the One X it's supposedly better than. Remember that when you're salivating over a 441 PPI 1080P smartphone that’s going to be hyped to death this year.
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orangechoochoo said:
I bet if the Note2 had a 1080 screen owners would brag about it instead of saying that you can't tell the difference. If we cannot discern the difference between 720 and 1080 way is the S4 and other phones coming out with 1080 since it makes no difference?
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You realize that with the human eye being the lowest common denominator the selection of PPI is being done ass backwards? Deciding on the optimum PPI for any given device should be an arithmatec equation; not manufacturers arbitrarily pulling numbers our of thier butts to out-feature each other. The above posts that talk about what the human eye can process are irrefutable fact. With an arcminute of "1" ideal for the human eye to process detail, the manufacturers should pick the lowest PPI that acheives "1" arcminute at 10-12" away which is the typical distance a smartphone is viewed. Why the lowest? Because the higher the PPI the bigger the drain on the battery, GPU, and CPU. And why reduce the performance of a device when the end result is the human eye can't process the additional detail being provided anyway? In addition, to achieve higher PPI, displays are suffering in brightness, contrast, and color reproduction. But nobody cares because they get to tell their friends "look, I've got a 1080P display!" Based on the numbers, outside of PPI, the One X has a better display than the DNA. It wouldn't surprise me if the same thing happened between the SGS3's 720P display and the SGS4's 1080P display (unless SAMOLED scales differently). In the end none of this matters because whether it makes sense or not we're all going to end up with 1080P displays one way or the other because that's where manufacturer's marketing is taking us.
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And this is a good article explaining why pics and videos won't seem any sharper on a 720P, 1080P, or the N10's unique resolution display. And everything gets upscaled on the N10 which doesn't help with detail and image quality.
For most people, though, it won't matter. Photos are inherently fuzzy, so it won’t matter whether they’re viewed on a 1920×1080 or 1280×720 smartphone display; you’ll still see their imperfections. "Even the tiniest image detail in a photograph is always spread over more than one pixel," Dr. Soneira explained in a follow-up e-mail. "The image detail is never perfectly aligned with the pixel structure of the display." Videos are even worse: not only are they fuzzy like photographs, but the pictures are constantly moving. Even if the images were sharp, the human brain couldn’t zero in on content that’s appearing for only a fraction of a second on such a small display. "For ordinary viewing of videos, 1920×1080 is really not going to make a visual difference," adds Dr. Soneira.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/1080p-on-a-smartphone-screencan-it-possibly-matter/
I skimmed through your post and I apologize beforehand if I'm missing some nuances in your post, but I think you misread my post completely. The only thing that can really make use of a 1440p screen at this moment is text which is why I mentioned "text clarity." It is also why I said, if there is a sudden surge of 1440p displays, the N10's high resolution will be better than 1080p. This is simply because 1080p displays will be considered old tech and designers and such will move on to support 1440p displays. The chances of 1440p being adopted to be the standard this year is probably 0%.
I never said it mattered. In fact I always thought PPI is a gimmick and will always be a gimmick beyond 220ish.
Also, just to put it out there, I maintain a theme to up-res the icons on the N10 so those icons don't get upscaled; I'm pretty sure I know what drawbacks there are with having such a high resolution screen.
Another thing - you talk about image quality, but you quote someone talking about photos. Things that are drawn on a computer will be clearer than a photo by a long shot. Those types of images can take advantage of such a high resolution screen. Photography on the other hand really doesn't matter what resolution you view it on for the reason you quoted.
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The only thing that can really make use of a 1440p screen at this moment is text.
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I just threw that info out there because I thought people would find it interesting; it wasn't directed at you per se. And at 10" away text won't look any better on the N10 than it would on the XZ. And that has nothing to do with the display's themselves, it's all about why the human eye can discern. As an example, at that distance, text looks no worse on the N2's 720P display than it does on the DNA's 1080P display based solely on the N2's ability to achieve a subtense of 1 arcmiture at 267PPI. Only if the N10's display is closer to 1 arcminute (below it doesn't matter) than the NZ's would you notice a difference. Now if you hold it 5" away or look at it under a microscope you'll see a difference.
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I just threw that info out there because I thought people would find it interesting; it wasn't directed at you per se. And at 10" away text won't look any better on the N10 than it would on the XZ. And that has nothing to do with the display's themselves, it's all about why the human eye can discern. As an example, at that distance, text looks no worse on the N2's 720P display than it does on the DNA's 1080P display based solely on the N2's ability to achieve a subtense of 1 arcmiture at 267PPI. Only if the N10's display is closer to 1 arcminute (below it doesn't matter) than the NZ's would you notice a difference. Now if you hold it 5" away or look at it under a microscope you'll see a difference.
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You're right in that if you hold it 10" away you won't see a difference. Unfortunately not all people do and there will always be people who can discern that difference.
I am also considering the Xperia Z tablet against the Nexus 10, here's a better comparison (taken from GSMArena).
Nexus 10
General 2G Network N/A
SIM No
Body Dimensions 263.9 x 177.6 x 8.9 mm (10.39 x 6.99 x 0.35 in)
Weight 603 g (1.33 lb)
Display Type Super PLS TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 2560 x 1600 pixels, 10.1 inches (~299 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
Protection Corning Gorilla Glass 2
Sound Alert types N/A
Loudspeaker Yes, with stereo speakers
3.5mm jack Yes
Memory Card slot No
Internal 16/32 GB, 2 GB RAM
Data GPRS No
EDGE No
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA
Bluetooth Yes, v3.0 with A2DP
NFC Yes, dual side
USB Yes, microUSB v2.0
Camera Primary 5 MP, 2592х1936 pixels, autofocus, LED flash, check quality
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection
Video Yes, [email protected], check quality
Secondary Yes, 1.9 MP
Features OS Android OS, v4.2 (Jelly Bean), upgradable to v4.2.1 (Jelly Bean)
Chipset Exynos 5250
CPU Dual-core 1.7 GHz Cortex-A15
GPU Mali-T604
Sensors Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer
Messaging Email, Push Email, IM, RSS
Browser HTML5
Radio No
GPS Yes, with GLONASS
Java No
Colors Black
- SNS integration
- HDMI port
- MP4/H.264/DivX/WMV player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+/WMA/Flac player
- Organizer
- Image/video editor
- Document viewer
- Google Search, Maps, Gmail,
YouTube, Calendar, Google Talk, Picasa
- Voice memo
- Predictive text input (Swype)
Battery Non-removable Li-Po 9000 mAh battery
Stand-by Up to 500 h
Talk time Up to 9 h (multimedia)
Misc SAR US 1.38 W/kg (body)
SAR EU 0.21 W/kg (body)
Price group [About 310 EUR]
Tests Display Contrast ratio: 878 (nominal)
Loudspeaker Voice 68dB / Noise 66dB / Ring 67dB
Audio quality Noise -82.3dB / Crosstalk -81.4dB
Camera Photo / Video
Xperia Z Tablet
General 2G Network
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 2100 / 800
4G Network LTE 1800 / 1500 / 2100
SIM Micro-SIM
Announced 2013, January
Status Coming soon. Exp. release 2013, Q1
Body Dimensions 266 x 172 x 6.9 mm (10.47 x 6.77 x 0.27 in)
Weight 495 g (1.09 lb)
- IP57 certified - dust and water proof
Display Type LED-backlit LCD, capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 1200 x 1920 pixels, 10.1 inches (~224 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch Yes
- Sony Mobile BRAVIA Engine 2
Sound Alert types N\A
Loudspeaker Yes, with stereo speakers
3.5mm jack Yes
- 3D surround sound enhancement
Memory Card slot microSD, up to 64 GB
Internal 32 GB storage, 2 GB RAM
Data GPRS No
EDGE No
Speed HSDPA, 14.4 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps; LTE, Cat3, 37.5 Mbps UL, 100 Mbps DL
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n, dual-band, DLNA, Wi-Fi hotspot
Bluetooth Yes, v4.0 with A2DP
NFC Yes
USB Yes, v2.0
Camera Primary 8 MP, 3264x2448 pixels, autofocus
Features Geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection
Video Yes, [email protected]
Secondary Yes, 2.2 MP, [email protected]
Features OS Android OS, v4.1.2 (Jelly Bean), planned upgrade to v4.2 (Jelly Bean)
Chipset Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ8064
CPU Quad-core 1.5 GHz Krait
GPU Adreno 320
Sensors Accelerometer, gyro, compass
Messaging Email, Push Mail, IM, RSS
Browser HTML
Radio No
GPS Yes
Java Yes, via Java MIDP emulator
Colors Black, White
- SNS integration
- MP4/H.264/H.263 player
- MP3/WAV/eAAC+ player
- Organizer
- Document viewer
- Photo viewer/editor
- Voice memo
- Predictive text input
Battery Non-removable Li-Po 6000 mAh battery
If it was $399.99 and battery didn't suck I would probably get it. It also depends on whether or not I sell my Nexus 4 for a Xperia Z. My tablet will match my phone. Lol
Also depends on which is available in Canada first. More nexus 10 shipments or the the Xperia Z tablet in Canada
I also wish that they stuck with the 9.4 inch screen of their older models.
Tablet Z will be at least 100$ more so yeah.
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299ppi>224ppi. I can see a big difference between 299 and 224 ppi. I prefer the nexus 10. I want 4k on 10".
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Sony is one of the most AOSP friendly manufactures out there so I doubt it. I am a Nexus guy for life but Sony builds some quality stuff and are good with updates. As fast as Nexus no, but they won't Samsung it and sit on an update for a year and update it at the same time Google releases that versions replacement.
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Tablet Z will be at least 100$ more so yeah.
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The upper-bound threshold's been set by the Note 10.1 (32GB $549), N10 (32GB $499), and TF700 (32GB $499). So with 32GB of storage the Xperia Z won't be more than $499 (the Note gets away with more because of S Pen). If Sony's smart they'll price it at $449 to gain some traction in the market. Asus only sold 250K 10.1" tablets a month in Q3 and the TF300 had a MSRP of $349. High-end Android tablets just don't sell well. The Note 10.1 was selling a million a month in Q3 so that makes it an exception. We'll see if that run rate continued in to Q4 when analysts disect Samsung's earnings. Also keep in mind that the specs shown are for the Japanese market Xperia Z. The global and U.S versions could be different. And until something's confirmed at MWC next month we don't even know for sure if there will be global and U.S. versions.
SONY Xperia Z Ultra 2 [Desired Specifications]-To Encourage Better All-In-One Phones for the Future
I have been looking at developments in mobile phones and the current XZU/ZU GPe and some of the Chinese competition to the big brands and decided to make the following list of desired features in a near-future phablet. I believe a phablet with all the below listed features will definitely be the Ultimate Mobile Phablet. I hope that someone from SONY or any other competitive brand will take notice of the desired specification below to create the best phablet that will stand out from the crowd. My aim is to encourage discussion and draw the attention of manufacturers and I really hope that someone will take notice.
I have also read on various blogs online and also read on XDA that there is a rumour that the XZU/ZU GPe may be discontinued and that a successor may not be released. I really hope that this is not the case and that SONY will release a device that will put all the wrongs of the 1st gen device right and better them. There is not much wrong with the form factor of this device. what is wrong is SONY's implementation or non implementation (lack of led flash, stylus) of features that are important to a growing userbase that is keen to use one device as an all-in-one phone and tablet user.
Given how much space is wasted on the construction of the XZU/ZU GPe, I have decided that since there is not much difference between 6.45" and 6.95" that this size be the most optimum/maximum size for the Phablet category of devices and that any device that starts with 7.0" or above to be in tablet category so I hope that I won't be criticised for this choice of screen size. Furthermore, with the rest of the specification I have tried to be as realistic as possible given the current implemenations of most of the technologies listed below by many well known and Asian manufacturers (ZTE Nubia X, ZOPO, LG, Huawei, Alcatel One Touch Hero, Vivo and many others) Enjoy the reading and have fun!
6.95” Inches Thin Bezel True Capacitive Touchscreen, 16M Colors Triluminos Display with 2K 2560x1440 Resolution, X-Reality and E-Ink Mode for Battery Efficient E-Book Reading
Integrated Wacom or N-trig Active Digitizer Stylus
Qualcomm® Snapdragon™805/810 with 2.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor with Krait 400
Integrated Glasses Free 3D Content Viewing
3GB RAM
32GB/64GB/128GB Internal Memory Options
Dual SIM+Dual Standby 2G/3G/CDMA/LTE/LTE-A/TD/FD-LTE All Versions Worldwide 2-in-1 microSIM Tray
MicroSD Slot with up to 128GB Expandable Capacity
Dual Dolby Surround Sound Stereo Speakers and 3.5mm Jack
Quad Microphone with Noise Cancellation and HD Sound
Primary: 20.7Mp 4K, OIS, Auto Focus, Dual LED Camera with Simultaneous HD Video and Image Recording, Geo-Tagging, Touch Focus, Face and Smile Detection, Image Stabilization, Panorama, HDR
Secondary: 13Mp, 1080p, Auto Focus Front Facing Camera
Integrated Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, Dual-Band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, Wi-Fi Hotspot
Integrated GPS with A-GPS/GLONASS Support
Accelerometer, Gyro, Proximity, Compass
Bluetooth 4.0 with NFC, A2DP and LE
Infrared IR Port
Stereo FM and DAB Radio with RDS
Mini HDMI with MHL Integration
MicroUSB 3.0 with USB On-the-go, USB Host and Magnetic Charging
Wireless Charging
Removable Li-Ion 4250mAh/5000mAh Battery
Dust and Water Resistant Metal Construction
- Fingerprint sensor (PayPal certified)
- IP58 certified - dust and water resistant
- Water resistant up to 1 meter and 30 minutes
Android 4.4.3/4.5 with Dedicated SONY Pro Xperia Launcher and UI Optimisations and Hybrid Tablet UI Option.
179.5 x 92.2 x 7.9 mm
215-225 g
3 Yrs Dedicated Worldwide Warranty with Express Care Service
Colours Options; Pure Black, Pure White and Carbon Black and Carbon White with Full Body Colour
on the Front Bezels as well as the Back.
OPTIONAL ACCESSORIES:
SONY Bluetooth 4.0 Detachable Full QWERTY 5 Row Keyboard with Case
SONY Bluetooth 4.0 NFC Speaker Dock
SONY Wireless Charging and microUSB 3.0 Sync Plate
SONY Xenon Quad LED Video Light with 3.5mm Connection
SONY Rechargeable Battery Case 10000 mAh for Extended 4K Pro Use
SONY SmartWatch 3 with Dedicated XZU Apps
SONY Duo Dual Micro/USB Flash Drive for External Backup
SONY XZU Handheld Expanding Tripod Accessory
SONY External 720p/1080p Mini Projector Dock
Ask that waterproof with removable battery? I didn't think so.
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Jammol said:
Ask that waterproof with removable battery? I didn't think so.
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Think about the Samsung Galaxy S5 which has some form of water and dust resistancy. I am happy with this level of protection for the sake of having a removable rear cover.
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Think about the Samsung Galaxy S5 which has some form of water and dust resistancy. I am happy with this level of protection for the sake of having a removable rear cover.
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The ZU has a removable back, just a little heat and a guitar pick will do it
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The ZU has a removable back, just a little heat and a guitar pick will do it
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True but it wouldn't be too much to ask Sony or another brand to give us a user removable/replacable back cover. If Samsung and others can why can't Sony?
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True but it wouldn't be too much to ask Sony or another brand to give us a user removable/replacable back cover. If Samsung and others can why can't Sony?
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One thing with the xperia range is that a friend of mine left her's on the roof of her car car over the weekend, came off at ~80km. Battery stayed intact and she could find it with GPS. Try that with a removable battery.
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6.95” Inches Thin Bezel True Capacitive Touchscreen, 16M Colors Triluminos Display with 2K 2560x1440 Resolution, X-Reality and E-Ink Mode for Battery Efficient E-Book Reading
I would like the size to remind the same so if they can increase screensize without making it much bigger then cool. Wont mind it either way really.
As far as I am concerned, I wont mind it to still be 1080p. Too many people playing the numbers game
Integrated Wacom or N-trig Active Digitizer Stylus
That would be cool!
Qualcomm® Snapdragon™805/810 with 2.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor with Krait 400
Better be 810 by the time if comes out but more important that the new CPU speed...can we get a damn processor that runs cool enough where it does not slow down. Whats the point of super fast processor that can only run that speed for a few minutes before having to slow down due to thermal issues?
Integrated Glasses Free 3D Content Viewing
I love 3D!
3GB RAM
agree
32GB/64GB/128GB Internal Memory Options
Agree
MicroSD Slot with up to 128GB Expandable Capacity
For sure...no google style nonsense here without MicroSD slots
Dual Dolby Surround Sound Stereo Speakers and 3.5mm Jack
could be cool but the sounds is going to be lame anyway..its physics lol
Primary: 20.7Mp 4K, OIS, Auto Focus, Dual LED Camera with Simultaneous HD Video and Image Recording, Geo-Tagging, Touch Focus, Face and Smile Detection, Image Stabilization, Panorama, HDR
As a photographer, what I want to see is at most a 12MP camera , wouldnt mind if it was 8MP in order to get better low light quality. I dont care for this silly MP race in such tiny sensors. When I want and need a big quality image, I use my camera.
Integrated Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, Dual-Band, Wi-Fi Direct, DLNA, Wi-Fi Hotspot
Integrated GPS with A-GPS/GLONASS Support
Accelerometer, Gyro, Proximity, Compass
Bluetooth 4.0 with NFC, A2DP and LE
Infrared IR Port
Stereo FM and DAB Radio with RDS
Mini HDMI with MHL Integration
MicroUSB 3.0 with USB On-the-go, USB Host and Magnetic Charging
Wireless Charging
Removable Li-Ion 4250mAh/5000mAh Battery
I am willing to sacrifice thickness for a removable battery!
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I added my comments to some of the things I would change from your specs.
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True but it wouldn't be too much to ask Sony or another brand to give us a user removable/replacable back cover. If Samsung and others can why can't Sony?
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Because Samsung settles with subpar build quality. Sony does - or tries, not to.
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If it has a removable back and battery it could only be water resistant, not waterproof. Unless they come up with some new tech that makes the back cover seal each time, which I doubt would happen anytime soon on a smartphone.
This phone doesn't need to be any bigger than it already is. I have huge hands and it still stretches me a bit and I have to use both hands sometimes. I will definitely not be getting the new one if the size increases. Also it's too thin. Yes it is sexy, yes it is sleep and it might be the thinnest or whatever, but that inevitably causes it's downfall which is why so many were/are cracking from being in the pockets. If it's going to be so thin, it needs to be more rigid, or just make it flex!
Not So Finally.....BEZELS!!! OMG!!! I understand why they are so huge at the top and bottom, but damn they could have at least made them off the screen, just like the ION. Damn I miss that phone for that feature. Next ZU should have OFF SCREEN navigation buttons like the ION did.
I don't personally use Flash, but at least put a better/Great camera on the thing!!!
16GBs is way too small!!! It's 2014, WTF SONY?!!! From Last year onward, NO HIGHEND SMARTPHONE SHOULD HAVE ANY LESS THAN 32GB of freakin' STORAGE MEMORY!!!! MY DAMN FLASHDRIVE HAS MORE THAN MY FREAKING PHONE!!! It classified as an Entertainment Device is it not?! At least that's what the lady in the promo video and photos was using it for!!! Can't watch all them movies with 16GBs! And yes I know that's what an SDCard is for. That's why I own one. But it would be nice to have more device storage!
Cases!!! It needs cases!!!
A waterproof devices with removable battery is possible. But it won't be as thin nor as solid.
I'm afraid 7" is a bit to big for me. Used to owned 2 7" phone enable tablet. But it's too wide for the pockets.
I also owned the T2 ultra as well, it's an impressive device which fix most of ZU problem but add in a few mid ranger problem as well.
I would be happy if the Z2U has a bigger screen but at the same width, a flash, better camera, 2 front facing stereo speakers and a 64bit processor.
Not sure if I want a 2k screen. The T2 can lass at least 10 hours of screen on time at the same battery capacity as the ZU. I also happens to own the vaio pro 11 during the fire sales. Do hope sony bring carbon fibre to the xperia lines.
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Dual sim, 64gb & 128gb internal memory, Dolby, Quad microphone, 13mp Secondary camera, Removable battery all are too much to expect, and I doubt would happen in the next ultra device.
6.2 inch with QHD, IPS kind of Z2 (lower power i suppose), 3400mAh battery, snapdragon 805, 3GB of RAM, thicker profile max at 7mm, no shatter proof sheet, dual stereo speaker like Z2, and 13mp with 2x clear zoom (or 5mp downsampled quality) Then I'm sold. Big bezel down and top, that's ok, as long as there are speakers below.
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Has to have a very good front facing camera for them selfies.
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Must be 6 mm thick.
Hi-fi sound.
2 speakers or a decent one. Heck the speakers may resemble the looks of 4k bravia tv's speakers, there is room for it.
21 mp first camera, 5 mp front.
Paypal enabled fingerprint sensor.
6.2" qhd screen.
Fast charging.
Must keep the top and bottom bezels or hello to ghost touches.
Make it more fingerprint friendly please.
The outer frame can be metallic but not shiny (apple slate) not black.
Camera shutter button would be great.
Snapdragon 805.
3 gigs of ram.
Noise cancellation earphones out of the box.
More cases.
And a goodbye letter to galaxy note 4 in a romantic way.
Well, some of the desired spec you need, the Chinese manufacturer has already implemented it....it just not Sony that is...
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Well, some of the desired spec you need, the Chinese manufacturer has already implemented it....it just not Sony that is...
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Above specs with Sony build quality from the Chinese? I think I'll pass.
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Above specs with Sony build quality from the Chinese? I think I'll pass.
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Well, i said it because Nubia X-6 has almost the same spec as op desired (not all but some)...like 13mp front and back, 4+++ mah battery, 2 and 3 gb ram, 2 sims, 32,64,128gb memory....same size 6.44 inch...and some...
I like the Chinese to make these kinda phone cause the olden day's they make crappy and clone phone, but now they have step up the game to make their own signature phone and what i like about them is they will put everything inside to max the hardware...all known branded manufacturer will put some of the thing big but keep some mediocre, maybe to make it not to expensive...
What i think if sony do that with their flagships, i think people will switch to sony in a flash...i know i will...
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The Ultra GPe is officially out of stock on the Play Store, so that's probably a goodbye for the GPe version.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...play-editions-out-of-stock-on-the-play-store/
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Here's to hoping for a sony zu 2
Hi guys, I've had my Mi5 for almost a week and have been using it non-stop as my daily. Here's my full review video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0SQCJNFdtE It covers everything from the build, camera, benchmarks, GPS, charging time and gaming.
Overall it's not a bad phone considering the price and the power Snapdragon 820 you get. A premium build and one of the better 1080p screens I've seen. But it's ultimately let down with a disappointing camera. Doesn't live up to 4 Axis & Xiaomi marketing hype machine. 4k video is full of artifacts and the focus is all over the place at times.
Still gaming it will play everything at 60 fps, super smooth and the battery can give over 7 hours of OST. I do like the size build and feel of it.
Pros:
Very good at benchmarks
Super smooth gaming
Doesn't seem to throttle or get too hot.
Preium build quality
Excellent audio output, both 3.5mm and loudspeaker.
Cheap for a Snapdragon 820 mobile
Great front camera in good light*
One of the better 1080p screens I've seen. Super bright at 565 nits max brightness. (Not quite the claimed 600 nits)
Cons:
GPS performance is quite poor for a flagship. Won't lock on and use GLONASS sats
The camera is disappointing. Not up to flagship spec when recording video
Camera struggles with focus at times and in low light
Front camera drops frames in low light and video is choppy due to this
Very slippery build. I have almost dropped it countless times (Skin or case needed)
Camera samples:
4k Video samples:
Not maasively fussed on camera performance tbh.
Other points are valid. Although not 100% on build quality just yet. The left side of my rear case is ever so slightly raised off the front and it's bothering me.
It's a lonnnnng trip back to China for a replacement!
Here's a clip of the Mi5 running Antutu 6 Vs my Galaxy S7 Edge and Redmi Note 3 Pro. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-UhVrlMCDQ
It gets close to 140,000 points which is very decent.
Hey, what kernel version does the mi5 use eg 3.10, 3.16, 3.18?
Thanks
I've been hugely disappointed with the Mi5. I got it the day after release and it just hasn't felt right. I came from a Mi Note, which has probably been the best phone I've ever had. Perfect size in my opinion and everything works perfect.
The Mi5 has a strange size and the even more curved/rounded back just doesn't feel good in the hand. It's far too curved. It should have been more like the Mi Note. I don't feel comfortable holding it without a grippier case.
Despite the Mi Note having a Snapdragon 801, the SD 820, in my opinion doesn't offer a huge difference in speed and normal everyday tasks like browsing, reading news, listening to music and watching videos and the odd game.
The finger print sensor is ok, but I think the round sensor on the Redmi Note 3 is superior. It looks ugly on the Mi5 I think.
The camera is speedy, yes. But so was the Mi Note camera. The quality is not noticeable in my eyes. And the 4 axis OIS is just a big gimmick.
Haven't been this disappointed with a phone since I last used an iPhone haha.
Im always using a silicone case with my phones.. GPS is fast i cant complain here.
The camera is very good in Daylight, bad at dark places.. i tried to adjust with manual settings but so far not really successful.
Samsung and LG has longer experiences in building Cameras or Mobile Phones, so don`t expect too much in Dark places.
But one thing i like, is the price-value in Xiaomi devices which is good.
Xiaomi mi5 is it new make?
Xiaomi has created U.S. wait AN awfully lasting for a successor to the Mi four, and, thankfully, we've got not been saddened. The Mi five offers a chic and applied science unibody style and guarantees high performance, due to its flower 820 processor and Adreno GPU.
Marshmallow, along side Xiaomi’s MIUI interface, ensures a high degree of customization choices. The fingerprint scanner and NFC are each valuable additions, enhancing user expertise.
The device’s processor, battery and camera, on paper, area unit promising, and a radical check within the close to future can ensure the extent of the Mi 5’s talents. I would like to say its looming Android Smartphones in India
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Hi guys, I've had my Mi5 for almost a week and have been using it non-stop as my daily. Here's my full review video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0SQCJNFdtE It covers everything from the build, camera, benchmarks, GPS, charging time and gaming.
Overall it's not a bad phone considering the price and the power Snapdragon 820 you get. A premium build and one of the better 1080p screens I've seen. But it's ultimately let down with a disappointing camera. Doesn't live up to 4 Axis & Xiaomi marketing hype machine. 4k video is full of artifacts and the focus is all over the place at times.
Still gaming it will play everything at 60 fps, super smooth and the battery can give over 7 hours of OST. I do like the size build and feel of it.
Pros:
Very good at benchmarks
Super smooth gaming
Doesn't seem to throttle or get too hot.
Preium build quality
Excellent audio output, both 3.5mm and loudspeaker.
Cheap for a Snapdragon 820 mobile
Great front camera in good light*
One of the better 1080p screens I've seen. Super bright at 565 nits max brightness. (Not quite the claimed 600 nits)
Cons:
GPS performance is quite poor for a flagship. Won't lock on and use GLONASS sats
The camera is disappointing. Not up to flagship spec when recording video
Camera struggles with focus at times and in low light
Front camera drops frames in low light and video is choppy due to this
Very slippery build. I have almost dropped it countless times (Skin or case needed)
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Which xiaomi mi5 you have? 32 or 64?
tango007 said:
Xiaomi has created U.S. wait AN awfully lasting for a successor to the Mi four, and, thankfully, we've got not been saddened. The Mi five offers a chic and applied science unibody style and guarantees high performance, due to its flower 820 processor and Adreno GPU.
Marshmallow, along side Xiaomi’s MIUI interface, ensures a high degree of customization choices. The fingerprint scanner and NFC are each valuable additions, enhancing user expertise.
The device’s processor, battery and camera, on paper, area unit promising, and a radical check within the close to future can ensure the extent of the Mi 5’s talents. I would like to say its looming Android Smartphones in India
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Thanks for good description!
I'm looking forward to switch from S6 Edge to the Mi5, because I started to hate Samsung (mainly because of their software)...
Termynat0r said:
I'm looking forward to switch from S6 Edge to the Mi5, because I started to hate Samsung (mainly because of their software)...
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The camera on the Mi 5 won't be as good as the S6! (Not saying it is bad on the Mi 5. Just prepare yourself)
Why this: Samsung puts pretty nice cameras in phones and has good software behind it. It's hard to challenge Samsungs position in this matter. (For most brands.)
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The camera on the Mi 5 won't be as good as the S6! (Not saying it is bad on the Mi 5. Just prepare yourself)
Why this: Samsung puts pretty nice cameras in phones and has good software behind it. It's hard to challenge Samsungs position in this matter. (For most brands.)
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Yeah I just thought so. But I fortunately don't feel myself beeing a hobby photographer, so it's an issue I can deal with.
Either way Xiaomi will surely release some updates to the Mi5 camera as the OIS has some pretty big bugs.
And because the Mi5 is much cheaper, I can tinker with it. I will most likely try to fit a QI receiver inside on the 1st day (and post the results).
Termynat0r said:
Yeah I just thought so. But I fortunately don't feel myself beeing a hobby photographer, so it's an issue I can deal with.
Either way Xiaomi will surely release some updates to the Mi5 camera as the OIS has some pretty big bugs.
And because the Mi5 is much cheaper, I can tinker with it. I will most likely try to fit a QI receiver inside on the 1st day (and post the results).
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I have just received my mi5 having come from an s6. I havent done a comparison of the camera just yet but initial shots look very good on the mi5. Again I am no photographer so just casual snaps, which are fine on the mi5.
skoobee said:
I have just received my mi5 having come from an s6. I havent done a comparison of the camera just yet but initial shots look very good on the mi5. Again I am no photographer so just casual snaps, which are fine on the mi5.
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Thanks skoobee. If you can post a couple of low light shots of the two devices, I'll be very grateful.
Apparently gsmarena, unlike every other reviewer, has found a very mature camera performance.
I will try and do that in the next day or two. I have to say I am extremely impressed with the mi5. I was a little worried about signal strength in my house as on the s6 is very very poor and I have to use Wi-Fi calling. With the mi5 I can't use Wi-Fi calling but I don't need to. The signal is about twice that of the s6 but the clarity is so much better is unbelievable (even better than s6 on Wi-Fi calling)
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Which xiaomi mi5 you have? 32 or 64?
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seems good quality video!
I've had no issues at all with 4K video, smooth and jitter free...
And my girlfriend who has been using an S6 for over a year immediately found the Mi 5 camera far superior.
1080p display.... a bit disappointing.,...
I don't see 1080p as a negative. The DPI is 400+, is probably higher than the human eye can see anyway, and higher PPI is sacrificed for better battery life. I find it a bit PPI and mpixel chased a bit strange, especially when our computer monitor 24"+ is typically 1080p. I prefer thing such as quick charge 3.0 and usb c type as the most important things. Coming from HTC - king of bloatware that can't be removed without root, I am looking forward to sleek a Xiaomi
View attachment 914143457575174145.webpHey OPPO Humans,
I hope you all are doing great.
I have been using the OPPO Reno6 Pro 5G as my primary device for almost 7 months now, and here comes a usage experience or we can say an In-depth review of the device. So without any further ado let's get started.
Topics covered in this thread :
Camera
Design & In-hand feel
Display
Performance
Battery Life
Software
My Final Verdict
1. Camera
Cameras are an important point when it comes to OPPO devices, so its no surprise to see more photo and video features, coupled with capable camera hardware on the OPPO Reno6 Pro 5G. The device is equipped with 64MP Main Camera, along with an Sony IMX 355 8MP ultrawide angle camera and two 2MP sensors – one for macro and the other for monochrome photography. The Reno6 Pro 5G also comes with Electronic image stabilization (EIS). You may be happy to learn that Ultra Steady video mode is available too. It has higher dynamic range, giving backlight shots clearer, more colourful details in both shadows and well-lit areas. The main camera can record 4K 60FPS videos.
Reno6 Pro 5G comes with a 32MP Sony IMX 615 sensor snapper for selfies and video chats. I found the 32MP front camera to be very good, which shoots some clear images with a good amount of details present on the face tones. Selfies taken during the day looked decent, Portrait mode is quite useful. In the evening or night, the performance is also very good, it provide usable selfies with bright enough light sources around.View attachment 914136882299011077.webp
My experience with the camera was very delightful and extra ordinary. It was a perfect blend of all the factors that one wants from a camera app like Saturation, Exposure, Auto-Focusing, Focus tracking etc & the features like Bokeh Flare Portrait, Flash snapshot and many more made the Camera Department stand out from the rest.
2. Design & In-Hand Feel
The first thing that caught my eyes was the beautiful design. The device come in two color options i.e. Aurora & Stellar Black. I have the Stellar Black variant. It comes with OPPO's exclusive Reno Glow design, providing a unique back design because the AG glass has glossy and matte both in his back as some like glossy textures. Combining Reno Glow glass which using a crystal drilling technique to create millions of pyramid-shaped crystal structures at a microscopic level, and Diamond Spectrum body which is the combination of five core elements, the new Aurora variant could shine a million colors while holding in different angles.View attachment 914137195647074310.webp
And in terms of in-hand feel, OPPO Reno6 Pro 5G weighs only 177g which is quite lighter than any other smartphone and it also has a thickness of 7.6 mm which is much much thinner. The clean, minimalistic, quite elegant design is very comfortable in my hand and gives me a classy premium experience while holding the device in my hands.
3. Display
OPPO Reno6 Pro 5G has a 6.5" OLED Curved Single Punch-hole display with Refresh rate of 90Hz, Touch sampling rate of 180Hz, and Screen-to-body ratio of 93.4%. My view on display is that when it comes to the display quality of the smartphone, you will not be disappointed by using it to watch videos on various OTT platforms and YouTube. The punch hole doesn't result in much of a hindrance in the viewing experience. There’s also support for Widevine L1, HDR 10+ Certification and thanks to the OLED display, which offers accurate colors. And also it has SGS Eye Care display certification. It was fun to watch content on this phone, the outputs are top-notch. Overall, it's a great combination of design and display.View attachment 914137387368710147.webp
4. Performance
The phone is packed with MediaTek's flagship processor, Dimensity 1200. The octa-core Dimensity 1200 features one of the fastest smartphone CPUs ever. For all gamers, performance is a most important part. I played a lot of heavy games like BGMI and COD MOBILE and I was able to play both of them on high settings with high frame rate. Even at Ultra frame rate and HDR graphics, BGMI worked like a charm and I didn’t found any heating or frame drop problems with the phone. Thanks to the Multi-cooling system that prevents overheating. So, with the Performance on I don't have any issues and really impressed specially in gaming and multitasking works absolutely fine.View attachment 914137626133659652.webp
5. Battery
The OPPO Reno6 Pro 5G gets a massive 4,500mAh battery. With moderate usage, I was easily getting somewhere around 8hr of screen on time. And, in order to quickly charge this mega battery, there's also a 65W SuperVOOC 2.0 Charge, which can take it from zero to 100 in about 31 min. Other important feature I can't miss to share with you all is Super Power Saving Mode. With this mode turned ON, the battery life shoots up. Running low on battery? Turn this feature ON to save a lot for later. It shuts down almost every unnecessary operations and gives extra screen on time.View attachment 914137750721527814.webp
The combination of 4500mAh + 65W SuperVOOC 2.0 makes this smartphone survive for a long time whether you play your favorite games or listen to the music or watch videos for hours. When it comes to charging speed I never want to go back after using that 65W SuperVOOC I just simply in love with how fast it gets charged. Yes I'm very happy with the battery life.
6. Software
The OPPO Reno6 Pro 5G comes with Android 11 and ColorOS 11.3 on board. The user interface is clean, pleasing to eyes, icon designs, smooth animation while opening & closing the apps, everything is perfectly balanced with tons of customisation options found on ColorOS 11.3, But one thing that amazed me a lot is that it comes with native Google stock apps. Yes, we get stock apps like stock dialer apps, messages. Instead of a smart assistant on the left end of the home page now we get Google now. OPPO is seriously leaping towards much cleaner and stock experience.View attachment 914138382828044292.webp
I'm really impressed with ColorOS 11.3, and loved the overall UI experience. Mainly, the sets of customisation it offers are on the next level, being honest this is what I always wanted at the moment.
My Final VerdictView attachment 914139023155920898.webp
After spending 3 months with OPPO Reno6 Pro 5G and i just fall in love with device. For me it's a beast device at the price point it is available right now. MediaTek Dimensity 1200 Processor which not only gives you a smooth and amazing gaming experience but also a well optimised powerful device. Camera is the mainThis is only smartphone in this price segment having DSLR effect. Bokeh Flare Portrait mode which is a cool new feature no doubt. The battery performance is good as well and the addition of 65W fast-charging makes the deal unbeatable. The way that it looks and sits in your hand is bound to win you over. Plus the gorgeous curved AMOLED display, how smooth and slick it feels in daily usage. It is one of the slim and light device which you really feel in your hands but also looks premium. I feel most users will be happy after buying this phone, especially those who are looking for a stylish, sleek phone. Overall I'm happy and satisfied with the same at the moment
So with that I have concluded the review by my side. Now it's your time! I hope you guys like this device and let me know what you think about the device in the comment section!
Signing off
Thahir
Thanks for the review. Can you confirm if Google MAp's Live View works on it? Thanks!h
Hi I need to root my phone oppo Reno 6pro is there any possibility
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Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra review: Refined to near perfection
The Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra is a more refined Galaxy S22 Ultra, and while it might have features you don't need, it's one of the best.
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I predict another dud flagship. Too thick, too heavy with a so-so display/bezel ratio. With poor SOT for the huge mAh battery.
No expandable storage; the high capacity internal memory variants will be in short supply and thus very expensive, predictably. And of course a huge price tag until Samsung realizes it's not selling well, again. This will make it 4 years running that Samsung has failed to deliver an exceptional, well balanced flagship.
That's what I think...
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I predict another dud flagship. Too thick, too heavy with a so-so display/bezel ratio. With poor SOT for the huge mAh battery.
No expandable storage; the high capacity internal memory variants will be in short supply and thus very expensive, predictably. And of course a huge price tag until Samsung realizes it's not selling well, again. This will make it 4 years running that Samsung has failed to deliver an exceptional, well balanced flagship.
That's what I think...
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Battery should be much better since the 8 Gen 2 is a TSMC chip.
There's very little that can be done about battery when 5G is enabled but even with it, the X70 is said to be up to 40% more efficient than the X65 was.
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Battery should be much better since the 8 Gen 2 is a TSMC chip.
There's very little that can be done about battery when 5G is enabled but even with it, the X70 is said to be up to 40% more efficient than the X65 was.
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Time will tell. I doubt it will improve the SOT much. There's also the burden of the variable refresh rate display. Not sure how much more scoped storage impacts battery life but it requires more cpu cycles.
Starting with the N20U the batteries have gotten bigger, as has the thickness and weight of all the Samsung flagships. At the same time even with the larger capacity batteries the SOT decreased.
Poor form factor and performance balance have now become Samsung's flagship hallmark.
Their last great flagship remains the N10+. No 5G or variable refresh rate display but more functional with a display color/gamma accuracy/calibration that likely exceeds all those that followed. If Samsung adopted a fixed 90hz display refresh rate much better color/gamma accuracy could be achieved. They won't do this because Samsung is now marketing hype rather than performance driven. Case in point how many megapixels will the new cam sensor have?
For that tiny sized sensor 20mp is pushing it. Little doubt the mp count will continue to climb at the cost of pixel light gathering ability and sampling accuracy. The newer generations of Samsung cams seem to be very power hungry as well.
What a sick joke.
The laser AF is a great benefit. That should have been implemented 5 or more years ago. Sony was using this technology back in 2004 on its cams. Not to worry if you don't have it as a 3mw 535nm laser pointer can be used for spot on AF lock ups on older phones
Battery like on my SD Ultra S22 is why I am upgrading. It was terrible from the start nothing has really changed.
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Battery like on my SD Ultra S22 is why I am upgrading. It was terrible from the start nothing has really changed.
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If you want good SOT go with a N10+*, they get 12+ hours SOT with a new battery. Browsing with Brave I was using 6%@hr when this battery was newer. A better balanced and more usable device... even today**.
The S23U is already shaping up to be more of the same Samsung bs... 3+ years of fail and ball drops.
*stock Snaps that are optimized. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance and SOT.
** I'm running Pie and Q so no CPU cycle sucking scoped storage. You'll be stuck with Android 12, 13 or 14 on the S23U. 13 is a mess. Google is more Apple now (as is Samsung) than it is Android... more dropped balls rolling around inside the machine.
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You'll be stuck with Android 12, 13 or 14 on the S23U. 13 is a mess.
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I actually disagree with this. 13 has been great. I didn't like 8/Oreo because of how many apps they broke and 10 was slower than 11. 12 had some regressions and random quirks but 13 has been great. I don't actually have any specific OS-related complaints, just phone complaints about the Pixel 7 Pro, but if I'm being honest, I'm really just being petty, because the 7 Pro is great device that would serve most people well.
The reason I'm looking at the S23 series is specifically because of band support. I have Boost Infinite which uses AT&T towers so I want access to the 3.45GHz DoD spectrum and the Pixel 7 Pro's modem doesn't support it. Additionally Boost Infinite will be switching to using Dish Network's 5G network as it's primary and the Pixel doesn't support n70 and multiple other bands Dish is using.
Also, I just haven't had Samsung since the Note 5 and my partner has a Samsung A51 and I have played with it and actually kind of like it, so it just feels like it is time.
The Note 10+ is missing way too much for me to consider it. I'm not giving up 5G. The modem in that device has extremely limited and largely incomplete 5G support.
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I actually disagree with this. 13 has been great. I didn't like 8/Oreo because of how many apps they broke and 10 was slower than 11. 12 had some regressions and random quirks but 13 has been great. I don't actually have any specific OS-related complaints, just phone complaints about the Pixel 7 Pro, but if I'm being honest, I'm really just being petty, because the 7 Pro is great device that would serve most people well.
The reason I'm looking at the S23 series is specifically because of band support. I have Boost Infinite which uses AT&T towers so I want access to the 3.45GHz DoD spectrum and the Pixel 7 Pro's modem doesn't support it. Additionally Boost Infinite will be switching to using Dish Network's 5G network as it's primary and the Pixel doesn't support n70 and multiple other bands Dish is using.
Also, I just haven't had Samsung since the Note 5 and my partner has a Samsung A51 and I have played with it and actually kind of like it, so it just feels like it is time.
The Note 10+ is missing way too much for me to consider it. I'm not giving up 5G. The modem in that device has extremely limited and largely incomplete 5G support.
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Agreed, I wouldn't get the 5G N10+ variant. With an unlimited grandfathered 4G data plan it's a no brainer. Since 5G started rolling out 4G has even better bandwidth. Because many websites limit data speeds even the 4G download speed isn't fully utilized most times. The power drain of 5G remains an issue on the newer models as does the SOC, display and camera. They reached the thermal limits of the available surface area. The N10+ can operate at a 99F ambient temperature doing internet browsing with no cooling for an extended time because it's using less power and producing less waste heat.
Storage is inadequate and expensive on all models after the N20U.
30 gms heavier, worse display/ratio and a much worse SOT than the N10+. Not a well balanced flagship at all. S23U is more of the same... bs.
The claims that Android 11, 12 or 13 are more efficient than 9 I have severe doubts about. Even if Google implements a more efficient file system the overhead of scoped storage* remains. I like to see a side by side comparison on a N10+ running on 9 vs 10, 11 and 12. No one does that.
*In Android 10 scoped storage isn't fully active. It doesn't seem faster than Pie and SOT may be slightly worse. Still playing with my other N10+ that was factory loaded with Q. I prefer Pie as it's more functional and easier to troubleshoot.
blackhawk said:
If you want good SOT go with a N10+*, they get 12+ hours SOT with a new battery. Browsing with Brave I was using 6%@hr when this battery was newer. A better balanced and more usable device... even today**.
The S23U is already shaping up to be more of the same Samsung bs... 3+ years of fail and ball drops.
*stock Snaps that are optimized. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance and SOT.
** I'm running Pie and Q so no CPU cycle sucking scoped storage. You'll be stuck with Android 12, 13 or 14 on the S23U. 13 is a mess. Google is more Apple now (as is Samsung) than it is Android... more dropped balls rolling around inside the machine.
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That's not what I am looking for. I want the latest and greatest to have good battery life. Not great but just good. I had the note 20 ultra and that thing had better battery than the s22 ultra. I am just hoping Samsung has figured it out with the s23.
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That's not what I am looking for. I want the latest and greatest to have good battery life. Not great but just good. I had the note 20 ultra and that thing had better battery than the s22 ultra. I am just hoping Samsung has figured it out with the s23.
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Expect another hand warmer...
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Expect another hand warmer...
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I hope not.
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I hope not.
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Don't be the first to buy it. Samsung's recent track record speaks for itself. Besides they'll be more desperate after 6 months to sell the excess units. Predictably there will be a shortage of 1 and .5tb variants though.
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Case in point how many megapixels will the new cam sensor have?
For that tiny sized sensor 20mp is pushing it. Little doubt the mp count will continue to climb at the cost of pixel light gathering ability and sampling accuracy. The newer generations of Samsung cams seem to be very power hungry as well.
What a sick joke.
The laser AF is a great benefit. That should have been implemented 5 or more years ago. Sony was using this technology back in 2004 on its cams. Not to worry if you don't have it as a 3mw 535nm laser pointer can be used for spot on AF lock ups on older phones
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You doubt but i don't since i now use gen 2 and before i used 2 gen 1 phones, the difference in battery is huge, incomparable
About the sensor, here is some technical info, it is miles better vs HM3 on 22U.
三星两亿像素HP2技术解析：大满阱，双增益，与全向对焦
刚刚发布的三星HP2极有可能成为S23Ultra主摄CMOS，尺寸1/1.3''，两亿像素十六合一，单像素0.6微米。从尺寸上看并不出奇，但这次三星点到了另一个科技树。 超大满阱容与D-VTG技术HP2的亮点在于其采用的D-VT…
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Its not about the megapixels but what tech is in it, and what it can do, this sensor is almost on imx 989 level
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You doubt but i don't since i now use gen 2 and before i used 2 gen 1 phones, the difference in battery is huge, incomparable
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The new Samsung phones are battery hogs.
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About the sensor, here is some technical info, it is miles better vs HM3 on 22U.
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Not my second language...
dazed1 said:
三星两亿像素HP2技术解析：大满阱，双增益，与全向对焦
刚刚发布的三星HP2极有可能成为S23Ultra主摄CMOS，尺寸1/1.3''，两亿像素十六合一，单像素0.6微米。从尺寸上看并不出奇，但这次三星点到了另一个科技树。 超大满阱容与D-VTG技术HP2的亮点在于其采用的D-VT…
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Its not about the megapixels but what tech is in it, and what it can do, this sensor is almost on imx 989 level
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Micro lenses that small have less light gathering ability and waste real estate. The borders of those lens are wasted space, lots of wasted space on a sensor that has very little to spare. The quality of the micro lens are also suspect.
Pixel micro lense quality and individual pixel sampling capabilities are more important than pixel count. 12mp is a reasonable number and 20+mp is pure hype for a sensor this size.
A Canon pro shooter with a full frame sensor is only about 22-26mp. They will chew up any smartphone. Full frame digital movie cams boast a huge pixel count in the 20-40mp range.
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The new Samsung phones are battery hogs.
Not my second language...
Micro lenses that small have less light gathering ability and waste real estate. The borders of those lens are wasted space, lots of wasted space on a sensor that has very little to spare. The quality of the micro lens are also suspect.
Pixel micro lense quality and individual pixel sampling capabilities are more important than pixel count. 12mp is a reasonable number and 20+mp is pure hype for a sensor this size.
A Canon pro shooter with a full frame sensor is only about 22-26mp. They will chew up any smartphone. Full frame digital movie cams boast a huge pixel count in the 20-40mp range.
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The link is in English, it address all of your concerns and ideas, this sensor FWC is 10k, it is monster in low light
In what segment of photography will canon chew up smartphones? Certainly in won't in single frame and low light with normal exposure times on both
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The link is in English, it address all of your concerns and ideas, this sensor FWC is 10k, it is monster in low light
In what segment of photography will canon chew up smartphones? Certainly in won't in single frame and low light with normal exposure times on both
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Single frame and especially low light. The large metal frame provides superior heat sinking and the sensor is also thermally isolated from the processors for a lower noise floor in low light.
A heavier frame with good hand holds means it's much easier to shoot with. Much faster bootups and almost no shutter lag.
On top of that huge lens are available. Some with 200mm front optics for optimum light gathering.
Smartphones do very well with what they got. I view the cam as a convenience not a dedicated shooting platform. Anymore it's all I shoot with. They have limitations and are harder to shoot with than dedicated systems. With no expandable storage they lack onboard backup, a huge disadvantage. Canon has had dual card/write capabilities for around 20 years on their pro models.
The shooter's skill is more important than the camera, one reason they're killing the camera market. On that same line of thinking the improvements on the newest smartphone cams won't make you a great shooter if you aren't.
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Single frame and especially low light. The large metal frame provides superior heat sinking and the sensor is also thermally isolated from the processors for a lower noise floor in low light.
A heavier frame with good hand holds means it's much easier to shoot with. Much faster bootups and almost no shutter lag.
On top of that huge lens are available. Some with 200mm front optics for optimum light gathering.
Smartphones do very well with what they got. I view the cam as a convenience not a dedicated shooting platform. Anymore it's all I shoot with. They have limitations and are harder to shoot with than dedicated systems. With no expandable storage they lack onboard backup, a huge disadvantage. Canon has had dual card/write capabilities for around 20 years on their pro models.
The shooter's skill is more important than the camera, one reason they're killing the camera market. On that same line of thinking the improvements on the newest smartphone cams won't make you a great shooter if you aren't.
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Most tests i saw by now DSLR vs phone (custom software on the phone - GCAM) results in either close battle, or win for the smartphone on lowish, and especially in low light.
There are numerous versus, if you are interested i can find samples. Single frame dslr cannot compete with 1'' sensor with 30 frames stacked and super advanced denoise algorithims/ISP, it will either burn the highlights, or be just dark.
Where dslr wins, is action shots, long range zooms, astro, portrait and video, not for static shooting.
Here is an example what a phone does in quite dark conditions, with advanced setup,
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Most tests i saw by now DSLR vs phone (custom software on the phone - GCAM) results in either close battle, or win for the smartphone on lowish, and especially in low light.
There are numerous versus, if you are interested i can find samples. Single frame dslr cannot compete with 1'' sensor with 30 frames stacked and super advanced denoise algorithims/ISP, it will either burn the highlights, or be just dark.
Where dslr wins, is action shots, long range zooms, astro, portrait and video, not for static shooting.
Here is an example what a phone does in quite dark conditions, with advanced setup,
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Lol, what phone has a 1 inch sensor?
Full frame sensors are 24×36mm ie 1.339 sq inches.
Believe what you want to... at least it will save you $10+G.
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Lol, what phone has a 1 inch sensor?
Full frame sensors are 24×36mm ie 1.339 sq inches.
Believe what you want to... at least it will save you $10+G.
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Its not real 1'' but its very big, its bigger then Sony RX100 for example, its 132mm2, and sensor size doesnt matter as much when you got 30 frames stacked, that remove like 80% of the noise, and bring much more "light" into the sensor. No need to believe, ive seen the results,
And low light action shots? Books and parked cars don't move... people do.