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Hi -
I regretfully managed to drop my X10 in a toilet last night.... It's been a good 9 hours since at least and although initiallly it turned on when I started to charge it now it wont.
Now the red light if flashing when it is connected to the charger, and the screen is evidently a bit moist around the edges... EDIT: the phone just turned on so part of the issue was the battery being dead, but the screen slowly got darker and darker before switching off...
Is there any test for the phone company to see if it's water damaged?
Also, if I were to call them up and say there was an issue, I know they'd replace it with a straight exchange, so they wouldn't check it first.... Is it safe to do that?
Thanks
FIRST THINGS FIRST :
TURN OFF THE PHONE. NOW. Don't hang around, pull the battery out and DO NOT PUT IT IN.
Circuits are fine when in water, it's the corrosion and also when they have an electrical current put through them that the problem arises (when wet).
This WILL be tested when sent back if you call up and claim fault. The quickest way to visually test water damage is simple. Take off the back of your Xperia and at the top, exactly center (right above the camera) you'll see either a red and white chequered square OR a full red square (possibly part red/white but blotchy).
This SHOULD be chequered red and white but with water damage it makes it all red. Simple. No chance you can claim non damage now.
SECOND.
Put the phone in a bowl of rice(uncooked white rice). Now put the bowl of rice in a warm room or cupboard (preferably where your boiler is for your house?) or on top of a heater.
Leave it overnight and if it's on a heater DO NOT TURN THE HEATER OFF. Don't put the battery in the bowl, keep the battery separate and cooler but also make sure to avoid any water areas with it.
You could be lucky (I'll assume you will be but only time will tell) and this could fix it. It's worked on all my previous phones that I've water damaged (funnily enough I've only ever water damaged SEs) and also a few other circuit board based things I've used (one of them being a laptop!).
Please turn your phone off the SECOND you have read this post. Quickest way, battery pull.
Follow all the above steps and you should have a working xperia again.
Last note : if you dont have a heater to place a bowl of rice & xperia on top of, sit your phone in an empty room, turn a hair drier on and lay it next to it on medium heat setting on the lowest speed blowing against the phone. Should work too but make sure u can shut the door (annoying noise..)
yetep said:
FIRST THINGS FIRST :
TURN OFF THE PHONE. NOW. Don't hang around, pull the battery out and DO NOT PUT IT IN.
Circuits are fine when in water, it's the corrosion and also when they have an electrical current put through them that the problem arises (when wet).
This WILL be tested when sent back if you call up and claim fault. The quickest way to visually test water damage is simple. Take off the back of your Xperia and at the top, exactly center (right above the camera) you'll see either a red and white chequered square OR a full red square (possibly part red/white but blotchy).
This SHOULD be chequered red and white but with water damage it makes it all red. Simple. No chance you can claim non damage now.
SECOND.
Put the phone in a bowl of rice(uncooked white rice). Now put the bowl of rice in a warm room or cupboard (preferably where your boiler is for your house?) or on top of a heater.
Leave it overnight and if it's on a heater DO NOT TURN THE HEATER OFF. Don't put the battery in the bowl, keep the battery separate and cooler but also make sure to avoid any water areas with it.
You could be lucky (I'll assume you will be but only time will tell) and this could fix it. It's worked on all my previous phones that I've water damaged (funnily enough I've only ever water damaged SEs) and also a few other circuit board based things I've used (one of them being a laptop!).
Please turn your phone off the SECOND you have read this post. Quickest way, battery pull.
Follow all the above steps and you should have a working xperia again.
Last note : if you dont have a heater to place a bowl of rice & xperia on top of, sit your phone in an empty room, turn a hair drier on and lay it next to it on medium heat setting on the lowest speed blowing against the phone. Should work too but make sure u can shut the door (annoying noise..)
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thank you so much for your advice. I'll give it a go. I don't have any white rice, just brown, will that make a difference?
Of course I'll go and buy white rice if I need it!
The square at the phone is blotchy.... but mostly red. you can still see slight shades of white though.. is this possible without water damage?
Also from what you've said, I really shouldn't have put the phone to charge. I think I left it charging for ast least 6 hours so now I feel like I've ruined it by doing that..
Thanks again )
Just another update. after almost 5 hours in the rice I inserted the battery and connected it to the charger. There was an improvement from before in that the phone turned on and stayed on, ALTHOUGH th screen was flickering, and it really wasn't responding very well - I couldn't actually unlock the device.
There's a visible different in the water movement though, in that there seemed to be some spread around the whole screen initially, and now it's in a small part of the bottom of the screen.
Any tips?
Also, could someone clarify whether Vodafone would class it as water damaged?
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Just another update. after almost 5 hours in the rice I inserted the battery and connected it to the charger. There was an improvement from before in that the phone turned on and stayed on, ALTHOUGH th screen was flickering, and it really wasn't responding very well - I couldn't actually unlock the device.
There's a visible different in the water movement though, in that there seemed to be some spread around the whole screen initially, and now it's in a small part of the bottom of the screen.
Any tips?
Also, could someone clarify whether Vodafone would class it as water damaged?
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well you dropped it in water and now its damaged, that seems like text book water damage to me =/
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Waiting 7 hours is not long enough...
Rice can only absorb moisture at a certain rate.
You should have wait much longer..
No offense, but your phone is toast. Rule number one is to NEVER turn on a water damaged device for at least a day after the incident. The phone was probably fine until you plugged it in.
You'll have to be on the hook for a new one. Your phone was water damaged and will not be covered under warranty.
Also, your grammar needs improvement. I found it really difficult to follow what you were writing because it made little sense.
Stop playing with it and leave it in the rice another day.
Then pray
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They'll be able to tell
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1. Diasassemble the Phone and put the PCB for 24hrs in 99% Isopropyle Alcohol. Not 50%, not 70% --> 99%.
2. Then take it out and let it dry for 48hrs.
3. Now reflash it (the SW is/may be corrupted).
I reanimated 80% of 200 Water-, Beer-, Pool-, Toilet-, and so on damaged Phones I repaired in the past...
Hey tuffy, sorry for the absence was at work till 10 last night then went straight to sleep lol.
I was going to give you similar advice to McKebapp however I thought the easiest option would be to give you common-to-find objects and make it easier as actually locating 99% Isopropyle is next to impossible unless you know exactly what it is!
Anyways, brown is fine - rice is rice it still takes in water. Only issue is it takes boiled water in at a rate almost 150 times faster than luke-warm or cold (which is what the water inside your phone will be).
If at all possible, do what McKebbap said but maybe avoid putting the PCB in alcohol, stick to the rice as it's bone dry and although, theoretically, so is the alcohol it'll be easier than trying to clean it all off afterwards.
If you can't dismantle it down (basically we need as much air-space between the PCB and well.. the air/rice!) then just put it back in fresh rice and leave it with the back off and battery out for another 24 hours or so, again in a warm area (needs to be warm for the water to rise).
Please, DO NOT TRY TO TURN IT ON WITHIN THIS TIME. Personally i'd actually be quite inclined to leave it for about 3 days but changing the rice (or mixing it) each day.
Good luck mate.
Oh and to answer your question : it's not possible for it to become blotchy or anything other than just squares of red/white without water buddy. it's designed for phone companies to , at a quick glance, check water damage cause guess what, besides dropping the phone, is the most common return reason ;-)
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I was going to give you similar advice to McKebapp however I thought the easiest option would be to give you common-to-find objects and make it easier as actually locating 99% Isopropyle is next to impossible unless you know exactly what it is!
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Each Pharmacy should have it for sale.
They maybe ask for what you'll use it.
Simply tell them the truth (cleaning electronics) or say, you'll need it to clean guitar strings from colophony.
Then everything should be fine.
So what happened? How's the phone?
How about the beer test in the good ol' days of the R310s
D3sRtH4mmR said:
So what happened? How's the phone?
How about the beer test in the good ol' days of the R310s
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Even if it is Off Topic...
YMMD
I've still got one orange R310s I still regualry make use of.
You simply can't destroy it.
I once even went snorkeling with it.
*remembering-the-good-'ol,-Sony-free,-pure-Ericsson-times*
McKebapp said:
Even if it is Off Topic...
YMMD
I've still got one orange R310s I still regualry make use of.
You simply can't destroy it.
I once even went snorkeling with it.
*remembering-the-good-'ol,-Sony-free,-pure-Ericsson-times*
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Indeed, the awesome days of Ericsson phones! My R380s still works!
Back on topic, I hope Tuffy11 managed to salvage the X10.
U can get isopropyl from any pharmacy. You should follow mckebapps guide. Check his posts out, he knows whats up. ;-)
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D3sRtH4mmR said:
Indeed, the awesome days of Ericsson phones! My R380s still works!
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Mine r520m works fine except bluetooth. In 2006 Ericsson didn't support this model anymore, so I switched to k790a that works fine for now. Even now with 3.2 Mp camera it does better job in dark sets, than X10. When I read specs I was surprised that they didn't use xenon flash. It is a kind of a bad joke for flagship model.
Returning to water damage - it is enough just to leave a phone for a week in regular room environment. Of course, I mean average environment, not like in rain season somewhere in rainforest. Alcohol (any kind - regular ethanol or isopropyl) absorbs water, but dries faster, than water, so this bath just significantly reduces water concentration. By the way, don't try to find 99% of consumer ethanol - it doesn't exist. 96% is the best (190 proof in the US or 175 degrees proof in UK). For isopropyl regular distillation gives 87.9% max. Azeotropic distillation produces higher percentage for both these spirits, but I doubt you can find it in regular stores. Closed areas, where water was suck in remain problematic. Moreover, when water finally dries out, it leaves mineral salts. It is not a big deal at circuit plates since those salts are electric safe (except sea water salts), but in clear areas like between screen layers they will be visible.
And again - if you want to kill any electronics most effective way, turn it on when it is wet. If you want to save it - be patient.
Hopefully this will help some poor schmucks that manage to do the #3 in the toilet (common enough so I call it #3).
If there is ****, just let go man, really.
If there is piss, likely more damage has been done so chances of recovery are slimmer (salty water is more conductive).
If clean water then likely the phone will work but some hardware might not survive (like the camera, ....)
In any case, remove the battery IMMEDIATELY!
Wipe battery dry. Leave alone and forget about it for 3-4 days.
Shake out as much water as possible out of the phone and let it dry for a week. You can safely use a hair dryer to warm it up to speed the evaporation. Do it twice a day.
If you want, dunk the phone in 99% rubbing alcohol for 10-20 seconds, swish it around. Take it out and forget you had a phone for 3-4 of days.
I never dropped one into the loo but I did go swimming with two phones and both survived (mostly).
I am pretty sure this is a warranty claim but I wanted to run it by the community. Excuse any poor typing I'm literally on a mountain right now.
I think some moisture got into the bottom port. My s2 always thinks it's plugged into a computer. I get samsung kies connection prompts when I get into the os and battery usage tracker shows the phone as charging when I look at usage with wild spikes up and down. Can't toggle USB dev mode because it always tells me to remove USB cable. Luckily I got a tibackup just a few days ago that I offloaded to my memory card.
When I power it down I immediately get the green battery showing it's charging. In a few seconds it starts flashing between that and a battery with a temperature gauge and a exclaimation point.
Only way to get her to turn on is by plugging into a power source and holding down power.
Did a factory reset same problem. Won't be able to reset the kernel till I get home in 10 days.
Any ideas or straight back to phones 4 u warranty claim? If water damage then insurance claim ( loved my baby. Thanks
mate please in case you returned it tell me if they accepted it. I have the SAME problem :|. please tell.
Get some rubbing alcohol solution (Isopropyl alcohol) from your local pharmacy.
Pour it into a bowl.
Remove the battery cover.
Remove the battery.
Dip your phone into the bowl, and swirl it around.
Place on an air conditioner to have the alcohol and water sucked out from the dehydrated cool air conditioned air for overnight. If it is winter, put near the heater which also has dehydrated warm air.
Place battery into phone.
Turn phone on.
See if you have the problem again.
No, I am not joking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol
I'm having this same exact issue - I've even had my phone unplugged for about 2 hours, yet when I go to battery status, it says it's only been on battery for 2 seconds... how did your warranty replacement go?
There was somebody on a Dutch forum who has the same problem.
His phone was wet.
And if it is water damage, i hope for you that you have warranty and dont have big water problems ...
netchip said:
There was somebody on a Dutch forum who has the same problem.
His phone was wet.
And if it is water damage, i hope for you that you have warranty and dont have big water problems ...
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had it sealed in a ziplock bag, so no outside water got in - perhaps it got too hot in the bag or there was moisture in the bag when it was sealed? (I should've put in some silica gel or something..)
Hello,
Sorry for going MIA.
Basically I returned this to phones4u, sent it in, and they processed a warranty replacement. They didnt say anything luckily about water damage but I think its because on a rainy day some water got into the bottom. From what I could tell they cleaned up the connector at the bottom with alcohol or something - it was spic and span when i got it back and the phone worked ok.
Side note, I recieved it and saw they scrached up my phone pretty good so i complained and sent it in a second time. Recieved it and the scratches were gone, but to do this they did a new screen replacement.
THe new screen had a bright red stuck pixel. I thought I could live with it but it drove me nuts as my original screen was perfect. So i went back to phones 4 u and sent it in a third time, this time they're saying they will just give me a swap. So although the problem was fixed a mess ensued and now i'm sitting around waiting for my "swap" and next surprises with dealing with them.
THey have been ok though I'm almost sure there is water damage on that phone but they dont seem to have picked up on it, i hope i can get it swapped and then dont have to worry about water damage again.
Cheers.
Okay....i have a black international galaxy s II converted to white and i dropped it in the water last night I was fairly intoxicated and my friend immediately helped me put it in a bowl of rice battery out etc....I left it like that overnight then tried to turn the phone on (not smart)wasn't turning on.....i came to my senses and disassembled the phone right away this morning and saw it was still a bit wet, immediately stuck it in the bowl of rice.
What it's chances at survival?? lol it was legit in water submerged for a only 1 sec if anything, i immediately snatched it out and saw that it was still turning on etc...
Also, what are warranty options? You think they'd know it was water damage after i put it back together? I also have a custom ROM and kernel and stuff but if it doesn't turn on would they be able to find out?
Hopefully the bowl of rice fixes it -.- I've had the phone for maybe like 1 month tops
Ugh so sad
Edit: fully functional luckily, no water damage, no eroding, litmus indicator is still fine and didn't change colors to indicate water damage. Close call but 100% perfect
The prognosis is not good. Warranty does not cover water damage unless you have insurance on the device. Sorry, I hope I'm mistaken for your sake!
pewpewbangbang said:
Okay....i have a black international galaxy s II converted to white and i dropped it in the water last night I was fairly intoxicated and my friend immediately helped me put it in a bowl of rice battery out etc....I left it like that overnight then tried to turn the phone on (not smart)wasn't turning on.....i came to my senses and disassembled the phone right away this morning and saw it was still a bit wet, immediately stuck it in the bowl of rice.
What it's chances at survival?? lol it was legit in water submerged for a only 1 sec if anything, i immediately snatched it out and saw that it was still turning on etc...but i could see it getting a bit wonky and crap.
Also, what are warranty options? You think they'd know it was water damage after i put it back together? I also have a custom ROM and kernel and stuff but if it doesn't turn on would they be able to find out?
Hopefully the bowl of rice fixes it -.- I've had the phone for maybe like 1 month tops
Ugh so sad
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blahhh......it doesn't look like theres any water damage since i have a feeling the rice soaked a lot of water initially.
lol been going all over the web watching youtube videos etc....seeing ppl freaking submerge their galaxy s II and it still working damn.
Gonna leave it in the rice for another like 2 hrs probably then see how it does, was barely any water when disassembled, droplet here and there but that doesn't mean jack sh*t.
Im really praying it survives and works
a couple of things...
1. The battery might need replacing. Batteries are easily damaged by water.
2. Leave it rice for 4-5 days. It can never be too dry.
I would try someone's battery to see if it is still working in a couple of days.
It's not the amount of water, it's where it gets to - even a single droplet can kill a device if it shorts the right (or wrong) circuits.
Also even if it's completely dry and left in rice for a month you probably can't warranty it as there's water sensitive tabs all over modern smartphones. On the battery, usually near the headphones jack and others inside.
bunnybash said:
a couple of things...
1. The battery might need replacing. Batteries are easily damaged by water.
2. Leave it rice for 4-5 days. It can never be too dry.
I would try someone's battery to see if it is still working in a couple of days.
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Good thing i have my OEM battery and an extra anker 1900. The first anker was in the phone so if thats messed up, I have 2 other batteries to try.
Damn 2 days -.- I'm probably gonna end up trying it tonight or something lol. Im in college and flying home on tuesday so i kinda need to find out if it'll work or not. Thanks for the help.
But damn, all those survival stores of the galaxy s II is making me both sad cuz if mine doesn't work, how the hell did theirs survive and hopeful it may work. Lol some dude had his in a full cycle washing machine, left the phone in rice for 7 days and it worked
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It's not the amount of water, it's where it gets to - even a single droplet can kill a device if it shorts the right (or wrong) circuits.
Also even if it's completely dry and left in rice for a month you probably can't warranty it as there's water sensitive tabs all over modern smartphones. On the battery, usually near the headphones jack and others inside.
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Yea i know, I'm just trying to be hopeful lol but I'm expecting the worst, and thats that it doesn't turn on
OMG MY PHONE LIVES MUAHAHAHA YESS!!!!
Time to turn it back off and let it soak more in rice just in case. So happy right now I'm tearing
Im still gonna buy the AT&T Galaxy S II tho from craigslist lmfao and then just sell it...trading headphones plus cash for it haha
You might want to give it a blow with a hair drier.On the lowest temperature,try to make the air stream hit the whole of the board.Just to be 100% sure.
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You might want to give it a blow with a hair drier.On the lowest temperature,try to make the air stream hit the whole of the board.Just to be 100% sure.
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i've heard a hair dryer is a bad idea, reading about it on the webs. Apparently it messes with the circuit boards or w/e......air dry is the best, i just let it sit in rice for a bit longer, pretty confident all of it is dry since i took the phone apart and let it sit in the rice.
Running it now and everything is working perfectly.
Ok so I was an idiot today and dropped my i777 in water. It fell into the three pieces (back, battery, screen), and i quickly dried it off and it turned on. i then left it in my pocket, and when i took it out, the battery was sizzling. Apparently, it humidified enough and left water marks on the phone. Nothing big, and the water indicators (?) on the phone haven't changed color, so there wasn't significant damage. However, i tried turning it on then, and it wont go past the boot logo (Galaxy SII) without looping and the battery still sizzles. I'm running bone stock, if that helps. Right now it's in rice just in case, but is there anything i can do other than wait?
Jackson8r said:
Ok so I was an idiot today and dropped my i777 in water. It fell into the three pieces (back, battery, screen), and i quickly dried it off and it turned on. i then left it in my pocket, and when i took it out, the battery was sizzling. Apparently, it humidified enough and left water marks on the phone. Nothing big, and the water indicators (?) on the phone haven't changed color, so there wasn't significant damage. However, i tried turning it on then, and it wont go past the boot logo (Galaxy SII) without looping and the battery still sizzles. I'm running bone stock, if that helps. Right now it's in rice just in case, but is there anything i can do other than wait?
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Dropped in water? It's probably stuck on bootloop because of a battery issue or the internal SD got a little farked with the water and it corrupted it. Nothing you can do about it. If it works dried out then consider it a miracle.
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...i quickly dried it off and it turned on...
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dropping the phone in water doesn't make you an idiot. Life happens fast. Drying it off is the best effort, but you should always wait as long as possible to turn the device back on. The real killer is the water that gets into the crevices and creates short circuits where they don't belong -time gives those hidden bits of moisture a chance to dry out on their own. The bag of rice trick might have worked if it was the first thing that you did after drying it off. This may not be super helpful for this device, but hopefully it will help you in the future.
-Cyril
Jackson8r said:
Ok so I was an idiot today and dropped my i777 in water. It fell into the three pieces (back, battery, screen), and i quickly dried it off and it turned on. i then left it in my pocket, and when i took it out, the battery was sizzling. Apparently, it humidified enough and left water marks on the phone. Nothing big, and the water indicators (?) on the phone haven't changed color, so there wasn't significant damage. However, i tried turning it on then, and it wont go past the boot logo (Galaxy SII) without looping and the battery still sizzles. I'm running bone stock, if that helps. Right now it's in rice just in case, but is there anything i can do other than wait?
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Maybe this will help?
"Bheestie Bags
Silica gel packets are an alternative to rice. And a company called Bheestie actually sells a special bag that is meant just for saving your wet gadgets. The bag costs $18.14 (or $20.00 at some places) and has special packets inside. They aren't your typical silica gel packets either -- the little packets have a special molecular sieve desiccant formula, according to the company. Open the bag, drop your phone in for 24 hours, and the phone might just come out working again. The bag did work with an old BlackBerry, but we didn't have an extra iPhone for a test. According to the company, the bag soaks up water 700 percent better than rice. It is available through Amazon.com and other e-tailers."
Hey guys. This is my first posting a thread here. I have a Verizon LG G3. Last night, it accidentally had dropped into the toilet, and I quickly picked it. Checked the phone, and there was no visible moisture damage in the front of the screen. Removed the cover off the back of the phone, and there a tiny bit of moisture around the flash, but the battery and everything around it was dry.. The indicators inside the battery holders are still red x's with a white background, and they are dry. The phone still worked like normal, and didn't short over night. 14 hours later, it was still working normally, but for preventative measures I went ahead, and took out the battery and turn off the phone.
At this point, am I out of the woods or is there anything else I need to do?
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Hey guys. This is my first posting a thread here. I have a Verizon LG G3. Last night, it accidentally had dropped into the toilet, and I quickly picked it. Checked the phone, and there was no visible moisture damage in the front of the screen. Removed the cover off the back of the phone, and there a tiny bit of moisture around the flash, but the battery and everything around it was dry.. The indicators inside the battery holders are still red x's with a white background, and they are dry. The phone still worked like normal, and didn't short over night. 14 hours later, it was still working normally, but for preventative measures I went ahead, and took out the battery and turn off the phone.
At this point, am I out of the woods or is there anything else I need to do?
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Sounds like you dodged a bullet :fingers-crossed:
To make you feel better, check this link: http://bgr.com/2014/07/09/lg-g3-waterproof-test/
If you're still paranoid you can try the rice trick mentioned in the article too, but you're probably dry by now. Good luck!