So I plugged in the headphones that come with the note 10+, I got an update Firmware for the headphones.
I thought it was pretty awesome they're not simple plug and play USB C units.
Hopefully there's more features added (video camera dual mic recording, etc) to justify their decision to forego the headphone jack.
So...the bundled AKG N700NCM2 wireless headphones...Can't hold a candle to my 2.5 year-old Sennheiser Momentum Wireless 2.0, both in battery life and sound quality. For a capable phone like the Note 10+ I would have expected something that supports BT 5.0 with Aptx or Aptx HD, not the rubbish codecs with these AKG pairs.
A good comparison will be the Bose and Sony sound cancelling headphones. As that's the market they are aimed at.
I have read somewhere that included USB-C earbuds have or might have active noise canceling feature during calls. True, any one tried it?
LordGMLP said:
So...the bundled AKG N700NCM2 wireless headphones...Can't hold a candle to my 2.5 year-old Sennheiser Momentum Wireless 2.0, both in battery life and sound quality. For a capable phone like the Note 10+ I would have expected something that supports BT 5.0 with Aptx or Aptx HD, not the rubbish codecs with these AKG pairs.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So... The bundled headphones are wired, carry a more pure sound stream than wireless, and come with the phone. I think you're confused, and if you want to talk quality, wireless units won't be as good as wired as they're always dropping packets, or data.
Related
Some of you may agree but some may disagree. The audio output of the 3.5mm headphone jack is far to quiet.
A cheap and easy solution to this is I bought the USB-C to 3.5mm DAC from HTC. Join the HTC club and it was £5.95 with free next day delivery.
Much louder and very good quality. Can't find any specification on what BIT the DAC is and I don't have the tools to measure it but its far better than the build in 3.5mm jack.
http://shop.eu.htc.com/store/htcemea/en_GB/pd/productID.5093216900/parentCategoryID.70508500/
I've got tinnitus in my right ear from constantly having a headphone in it for a number of years. I used to always listen on the loudest volume. With the xperia xz you can have active noise cancelling headphones, I can warmly recommend the nc31em in ear, I bought a pair for 15 bucks and it uses the processor of the phone so you don't have to carry a big dongle. Now I can listen at half volume and still hear everything better than I did before!
I received a Griffin iTrip Clip Bluetooth headphone adapter so I could be wire free from my phone and found this improved the loudness and remained good quality audio. You may get a bit of breakage occasionally if multitasking but for £14 from Amazon, it's a cracking piece of kit!
Fantastic solution
I have followed the steps of signing up for HTC Club, and ordering the adapter straight away. It really came next day with no extra charge for delivery. And oh boy, the sound is amazing! I am bit of geek when it comes to headphones, so i have a multiple different types. The difference between using the audio jack output of the phone and using the usb c adapter is NIGHT and DAY. Not only loudness is incomparable higher, the pure quality of the sound is improved in every way. I do not believe that there is DAC hidden in the adapter, as it is quite small and low priced. What makes difference in my opinion is the additional power phone can send to the headphones by using the USB C out. Difference is so big, that this workaround can be seen as hidden features to extent, as Sony has not said a thing about using your USB C out for audio. Now I truly understand why the removal of headphone jack make sense as even phones with not the best DAC and AMP can produce great sound thanks to power of USB C.
In case of Sony Xperia XZ however, it looks as DAC is of a top- notch quality(it officially supports Hi-Res codecs after all) but the AMP is criminally under-powered and so combined with Sony obeying EU regulations for safe listening volume converts to quality sound but on quiet side. But thanks to this adapter the DAC is no longer tied to volume level set by headphone jack.
Everyone who owns this phone must buy this, especially considering the low price of the adapter. You need hear it to believe it.
jms.flynn said:
Some of you may agree but some may disagree. The audio output of the 3.5mm headphone jack is far to quiet.
A cheap and easy solution to this is I bought the USB-C to 3.5mm DAC from HTC. Join the HTC club and it was £5.95 with free next day delivery.
Much louder and very good quality. Can't find any specification on what BIT the DAC is and I don't have the tools to measure it but its far better than the build in 3.5mm jack.
http://shop.eu.htc.com/store/htcemea/en_GB/pd/productID.5093216900/parentCategoryID.70508500/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was on another trip recently and one scheduled for next week. Indeed the sound out of the headphone jack is extremely low so I ordered one of these gadgets and will arrive on Friday. The success from others is what I expect to gain and will report back
USB Type C to 3.5mm Earphone Headphone Cable Adapter USB-C to 3.5mm Jack Aux Cable for Letv 2 2pro max2 Pro 3 Xiaomi 6
http://s.aliexpress.com/UnmURNbM
(from AliExpress Android)
Efe64 said:
USB Type C to 3.5mm Earphone Headphone Cable Adapter USB-C to 3.5mm Jack Aux Cable for Letv 2 2pro max2 Pro 3 Xiaomi 6
http://s.aliexpress.com/UnmURNbM
(from AliExpress Android)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hello i bought thi product but isn't working for me do i need to do something else or just plugging in ??
RedJHoN said:
Hello i bought thi product but isn't working for me do i need to do something else or just plugging in ??
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Its not working for me too...using the xaomi dongle
Just asking is they a way of updating the dongle without having a htc device I've installed the audio usb jack toolkit from htc but nothing seems to happen
Thanks
Thank you so much for this. The low earphone volume was driving me mad. So after reading this, I bought the same thing from HTC and it works fantastically and sounds amazing now.
Is is working also on oreo latest update?
triggaz said:
Is is working also on oreo latest update?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes works fine with Oreo.
Two kinds of USBC to 3.5mm Adapters, beware.
Just so folks know, there are two types of USB-C 3.5mm adapters out there - Digital and Analog.
All decent phones should support the Digital adapters, since they are just USB Audio Class devices made small. You could also plug them into a PC. Because they contain the DAC and amplifier, they will be spendy.
However, the $2 Passive adapters have no DAC in them. They trigger a special mode of the phone that basically puts the USB-C jack into an analog 3.5mm mode and the rest is just plastic and metal. The DAC is in the phone. The phone has to specifically support this mode, and will likely indicate USB-C Analog Accessory Mode in their specifications. Xperia XZ Premium does NOT support this mode, and never will - it has to be built into the hardware.
Just sayin.
FirmwareGuy said:
Just so folks know, there are two types of USB-C 3.5mm adapters out there - Digital and Analog.
All decent phones should support the Digital adapters, since they are just USB Audio Class devices made small. You could also plug them into a PC. Because they contain the DAC and amplifier, they will be spendy.
However, the $2 Passive adapters have no DAC in them. They trigger a special mode of the phone that basically puts the USB-C jack into an analog 3.5mm mode and the rest is just plastic and metal. The DAC is in the phone. The phone has to specifically support this mode, and will likely indicate USB-C Analog Accessory Mode in their specifications. Xperia XZ Premium does NOT support this mode, and never will - it has to be built into the hardware.
Just sayin.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
how come some people heard a huge difference in audio quality?
---------- Post added at 12:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:30 AM ----------
jms.flynn said:
Some of you may agree but some may disagree. The audio output of the 3.5mm headphone jack is far to quiet.
A cheap and easy solution to this is I bought the USB-C to 3.5mm DAC from HTC. Join the HTC club and it was £5.95 with free next day delivery.
Much louder and very good quality. Can't find any specification on what BIT the DAC is and I don't have the tools to measure it but its far better than the build in 3.5mm jack.
http://shop.eu.htc.com/store/htcemea/en_GB/pd/productID.5093216900/parentCategoryID.70508500/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
htc website doesnt ship to my region
where else can I buy it from?
madshark2009 said:
how come some people heard a huge difference in audio quality?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Because people are trying different USB Audio headphones. Sony is not in control of their quality or amplification since the DAC and amp are in the headphones. For those using different 3.5mm headsets, their quality varies greatly. Sony expects folks to buy theirs, preferably with their active noise canceling that they wrote software for. It works well but as stated, they are not very loud.
-FG
FirmwareGuy said:
Because people are trying different USB Audio headphones. Sony is not in control of their quality or amplification since the DAC and amp are in the headphones. For those using different 3.5mm headsets, their quality varies greatly. Sony expects folks to buy theirs, preferably with their active noise canceling that they wrote software for. It works well but as stated, they are not very loud.
-FG
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
ok so I have an audio system in my car, and volume in headphones gets super low compared to CD (I know CD quality is the best you can get i think) but still its VERY very low compared to it, in aux on 13db I get same loudness as 7db in CD, which means I have to turn it on almost twice as much as a cd to hear same loudness, (why dont I simply turn my audio more than usual on a cd?) because I like listening to very loud music and I some times get to 23db on a cd and its very loud and on aux i must reach at least 40db to get close to being as loud but my audio system only supports up to 30db so I am getting aux loudness of 15-16db compared to CD.
will the usb 3.0 to AUX DAC help me get louder volume?
I don't have a V30 yet. Saving up for it right now. I do have an audio question though....
For a typical, non-Quad-DAC phone, I realize that an aux cable between the car's head unit and the phone's headphone jack should sound better than playing music via Bluetooth due to losses from Bluetooth.
With that said, with the V30, and using an aux cable to the radio's input jack...would enabling the Quad-DAC make any difference to the sound quality? I assume that the DAC and amplifier are designed for headphone use where headphones typically have no external power other than that provided by the signal. But, while using the aux cable and going through a car's amplified radio head unit, would the DAC give you anything above what the radio itself provides? Does the fact that the radio has a powered amp negate what the V30's DAC provides?
On a similar note...my old LG Optimus G Pro (currently my EDC phone) when connected to my car via Bluetooth...when I play a song on my phone, and then play the exact same MP3 file on an iPhone, the iPhone sounds better. Cleaner, clearer, better dynamic range and stereo separation, yet it's the identical MP3 source file. Is that a hardware issue between the 2 phones, or is it a software/firmware issue?
Good question. I haven't tried it in my vehicle yet. (I use thumb drives to listen to music in my truck.) I will try and report back. You can toggle the DAC on and off.
I'm interested in me too. I listen to music in the car via bluetooth. that is, V30 connected to the car stereo.
andygold said:
I don't have a V30 yet. Saving up for it right now. I do have an audio question though....
For a typical, non-Quad-DAC phone, I realize that an aux cable between the car's head unit and the phone's headphone jack should sound better than playing music via Bluetooth due to losses from Bluetooth.
With that said, with the V30, and using an aux cable to the radio's input jack...would enabling the Quad-DAC make any difference to the sound quality? I assume that the DAC and amplifier are designed for headphone use where headphones typically have no external power other than that provided by the signal. But, while using the aux cable and going through a car's amplified radio head unit, would the DAC give you anything above what the radio itself provides? Does the fact that the radio has a powered amp negate what the V30's DAC provides?
On a similar note...my old LG Optimus G Pro (currently my EDC phone) when connected to my car via Bluetooth...when I play a song on my phone, and then play the exact same MP3 file on an iPhone, the iPhone sounds better. Cleaner, clearer, better dynamic range and stereo separation, yet it's the identical MP3 source file. Is that a hardware issue between the 2 phones, or is it a software/firmware issue?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Tl;DR - aux will usually be better than BT. Make sure your source files are high quality. And lastly, USB transfer or stream will be the best quality in almost all scenerios.
Okay, a couple basics. DAC stands for Digital to Analog Converter. Your car system has a DAC for playing digital audio files. I suspect most decent car audio systems perform better DAC than most cell phones. While it may be better than most cell phones, I doubt our V30's would be better than most new car systems.
With Aux, your phone is doing the DAC and sending an analog signal to the car. Then you car is just amplifying (as per you eq sertings). With BT, your phone sends a digital signal, which is then run through the car DAC system.
Here's where it gets complicated. There are a few different codecs that can be used to compress the transfer, and then quality settings within them. In theory, BT can be a very high quality transfer with near 320kbps sound... BUT ... You get into compatibility issues. This would very likely be why the sound from the iPhone generated playback sounded better than the other phone; it is using a different codec or higher bitrate on compression. My post is already too long but search for BT codecs if you want more detail.
A few tips. Make sure your source file is good!
General convention is that a 128 is comparable to FM radio. 160 or 192 is generally felt to be similar to CD quality.
Check the setting on your music app. In spotify, both streaming and download bitrate settings can be bumped up. Jist be aware of your potential data and storage issues.
Conclusions:
Phone DAC won't come into play for BT transfer. Hopefully your car system has the codec compatibility for high quality transfer. If so, go with that. If not, then AUX will be better.
V30 DAC seems to be high quality, and will function for aux transfers. The car system will then apply analog effects (bass/treble or EQ boosts) during amplification. You will have to play with the settings to see what sounds best to your ears.
A final consideration: Take a look at USB cable connection. A modern car audio system will likely be able to take advantage of digital transfer via USB. This may take the form of seeing your phone as file storage or may allow for your phone to stream music. Either way, assuming a good quality car system, your car can playback your high quality files without any losses that come with BT. If the DAC in your car is better than the V30, then this will be best.
Sent from my LG-H933 using Tapatalk
Audio DAC on the V30 is mostly better than most car stereo converter. Heck, most laptop / desktop PC have lesser DAC than the V30.
BUT, in order to use it rightfully, you need high quality audio files. No matter how good is the DAC, playing 160kbps mp3 won't make a difference... Playing 24bits flac, on the other hand, will show you the difference between them all.
If you want, you can downlaod the sample on this site to test out the result:
http://www.eclassical.com/pages/24-bit-faq.html
That being said, the V30 pluged in the AUX will most likely sound better than mp3, as long as the sourde file are higher in quality.
Some of this stuff has already been mentioned, but here's my experience. I have a rooted V20 (waiting for bootloader unlock for US998 V30 before I buy it) with V4A. I also have a $4k custom audio system in my car with an amp, subwoofer, and aftermarket speakers. I love music and it's the only reason I've bought V20.
If you use BT, V30's DAC won't be used (as has been previously mentioned in this thread). If you use AUX, it will be. In my experience, AUX provides *far* better sound quality than BT. As far as Hi-Fi DAC, I discernibly notice a difference only with lossless audio; not so much with MP3. That difference, however, is enough for me to stick to the LG V* line and not switch to google pixel, which I would have done otherwise.
You should also keep in mind that not all cars will allow you to play audio through USB-C. Digital audio through Android is not nearly as widespread supported with car manufacturers as with iPhones.
If you have a good audio system in your car, you will be happy with the sound quality of your V30 through AUX, much more so than through BT.
Just for comparaison;
AptX as a bitrate of 352kbps
AptX HD as a bitrate of 576kbps
Mp3 @ 320kbps will stream with AptX with no lost,
Flac @ 16 bits have a bitrate around 900kbps (more or less, depending on many factors, but you can average on this)
Uncompress 16bits @ 44hz stereo is ~1400kbps
The Audio Dac of the V30 can run above this.
deroth said:
Some of this stuff has already been mentioned, but here's my experience. I have a rooted V20 (waiting for bootloader unlock for US998 V30 before I buy it) with V4A. I also have a $4k custom audio system in my car with an amp, subwoofer, and aftermarket speakers. I love music and it's the only reason I've bought V20.
If you use BT, V30's DAC won't be used (as has been previously mentioned in this thread). If you use AUX, it will be. In my experience, AUX provides *far* better sound quality than BT. As far as Hi-Fi DAC, I discernibly notice a difference only with lossless audio; not so much with MP3. That difference, however, is enough for me to stick to the LG V* line and not switch to google pixel, which I would have done otherwise.
You should also keep in mind that not all cars will allow you to play audio through USB-C. Digital audio through Android is not nearly as widespread supported with car manufacturers as with iPhones.
If you have a good audio system in your car, you will be happy with the sound quality of your V30 through AUX, much more so than through BT.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What is your opinion/experience with streaming?
nitramus said:
What is your opinion/experience with streaming?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Most online streaming sources utilize same compression as MP3, so I personally don't notice much difference whether HIFI DAC is on or off. I'm sure if I was using something like Tidal for streaming, which steams lossless audio, the difference would be there.
Hi All,
I'm setting up my brand new Pixel 6 that showed up on Christmas Eve. Thank you FedEx guy!
I knew it didn't have a 3.5mm headphone jack, but I didn't deal with this ahead of time.
I have low frequency hearing loss, so I need clear (not necessarily loud) bass. My wired Bose amplified ear buds are great, but of course they don't plug into my new Pixel 6. Can anyone recommend a bluetooth or USB-C solution that has clear bass?
Thank you,
Dan
If you go with bt you want a headset that uses the LDAC codec. Sony and Panasonic make LDAC ear phones, and Sony sells LDAC buds too I believe.
You can get an 3 5mm adapter to use the C port for wired if that phone supports audio output.
Most times it's in the digital realm so you need an adapter with a built in DAC.
It's awkward using the C port like this though and puts more wear and tear on it.
Merry Christmas
blackhawk said:
If you go with bt you want a headset that uses the LDAC codec. Sony and Panasonic make LDAC ear phones, and Sony sells LDAC buds too I believe.
You can get an 3 5mm adapter to use the C port for wired if that phone supports audio output.
Most times it's in the digital realm so you need an adapter with a built in DAC.
It's awkward using the C port like this though and puts more wear and tear on it.
Merry Christmas
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Awesome. Thank you for the concise and useful reply.
I know this isn't likely but is there any chance features of AKG wireless headphones that are locked to Samsung devices will be ported to other devices? I have a Google Pixel 6 and just got a pair of AKG Y600 full size BT headphones. These support Bixby (Anyone really use Bixby?) and Siri but not Google Assistant. I'm not aheavy GA user but it's handy sometimes. My biggest issue is the UHQ BT codec is locked to Samsung devices.
Overall, I'm happy with these headphones at the current $60 closeout price but I'm pissed at Samsung for these deliberate "lock in" tactics.
You talking about the proprietary Samsung SSC bluetooth codec? It's proprietary to Samsung.
LDAC is the equivalent or better more than likely.
Both are not close to wired headphone audio quality. SSC and LDAC sound pretty good on buds and headphones but they would fall apart in open air listening through stereo drivers. Not enough sound stage.
Yes, it must be SSC. I guess I'm SOL. Sony shares their LDAC codec, why can't Samsung share SSC?
Tim Elliott said:
Yes, it must be SSC. I guess I'm SOL. Sony shares their LDAC codec, why can't Samsung share SSC?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you're going to use bluetooth get something that supports LDAC. SBC can sound pretty good if you can use its maximum bandwidth.
If you want SCC get a used N10+ for a good price. You get up to 1tb expandable storage with that. Something both the new Samsung's and Pixel's flagships lack.
The N10+ excels as a portable media server. It's display is still one of the best ever produced. Gets better SOT too. SSC has it's downside too as only Samsung audio devices support it
It's a mess.
My ears aren't really good. I'll probably check these headphones to see how good they can sound by plugging them into the headphone port of my laptop. Of course, if I want to plug them into my Pixel, I will need a USB C to headphone adapter. Thanks for the suggestion of the N10.
Tim Elliott said:
My ears aren't really good. I'll probably check these headphones to see how good they can sound by plugging them into the headphone port of my laptop. Of course, if I want to plug them into my Pixel, I will need a USB C to headphone adapter. Thanks for the suggestion of the N10.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You're welcome. If you have a direct wire connection option use it when convenient. Make sure the source material is .wav or higher resolution and that highest resolution output from the device is enabled. You will hear the difference. Use some harpsichord music if you really want to test it. Mp3's can't reproduce it well at all
For onboard music libraries Poweramp paid version is still the best player. It has an excellent graphic equalizer to dial the sound in.
I bought Huawei CM33 Earbuds Handsfree USB-C white, but the phone didn't recognise the hands free earbuds. I'm looking for a good compatible hands free set with loud bass and clear sound. Any suggestions?
Jabra elite 85t work
alilou.bm said:
Jabra elite 85t work
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
These are Bluetooth headset I think. I prefer wired ones
Samsung GH59-15198A, as provided with Note 10+ (and S20 series). I still use it with S23U. It can still be purchased online.
Galaxy Buds 2 (SM-R177NZKAXAC) working great.
I just use the google usb c headphone adapter
You need a USB-C to 3.5mm jack adapter that HAS A DAC. The reason why your Huawei headphones didn't work is because Huawei phones have the DAC built in.
I have both the S23ULTRA and an old Mate20Pro, plus a Huawei adapter (not working) and headphones (also not working).
Bought a 32 bit/192kHz DAC from AliExpress (overkill for my ears) and it sounds excellent.
I use a wired Sony MDR-EX650AP (stereo + mic) in-ear headphones with an iNassen USB-C to 3.5mm jack audio adapter, the latter bought initially for my e-book reader so I can still use wired headphones connected to its USB-C port.
I doubt this adapter has any DAC apart from what it is required for filtering noise and converting signal itself, however for months on this phone it's been working fine. Even at lowest levels sound is sufficiently loud, clear and the adapter is very thin and not bulky so feels like an extension to the 3.5mm cable. Of course, especially since the phone is frequently in my pockets, in moments the USB-C cable can "get disconnected" software-wise (physically it always stays connected) when moving or when the phone hits different parts of the belt or the pockets - S23U is massive, but this has nothing to do with the quality of both the adapter and the headphones. I bought the adapter on Amazon some years ago, although you may try something similar of another brand - just watch for highest possible bit/kHz ratio on specs and it should work straight away - the S23 Ultra is powerful enough to run (without DAC) any non-professional low-impedance headphones connected. Not certain about audio and mic though since the mic on the above Sony's stopped working for me after having this out in a rain last year. But it could, I see no reason why not.
Menergy said:
I use a wired Sony MDR-EX650AP (stereo + mic) in-ear headphones with an iNassen USB-C to 3.5mm jack audio adapter, the latter bought initially for my e-book reader so I can still use wired headphones connected to its USB-C port.
I doubt this adapter has any DAC apart from what it is required for filtering noise and converting signal itself, however for months on this phone it's been working fine. Even at lowest levels sound is sufficiently loud, clear and the adapter is very thin and not bulky so feels like an extension to the 3.5mm cable. Of course, especially since the phone is frequently in my pockets, in moments the USB-C cable can "get disconnected" software-wise (physically it always stays connected) when moving or when the phone hits different parts of the belt or the pockets - S23U is massive, but this has nothing to do with the quality of both the adapter and the headphones. I bought the adapter on Amazon some years ago, although you may try something similar of another brand - just watch for highest possible bit/kHz ratio on specs and it should work straight away - the S23 Ultra is powerful enough to run (without DAC) any non-professional low-impedance headphones connected. Not certain about audio and mic though since the mic on the above Sony's stopped working for me after having this out in a rain last year. But it could, I see no reason why not.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You may doubt your usb c adapter has a DAC, but the S23U does NOT provide analogue music output to the USB C port. Without a DAC in the chain (in adapter, in headset, separate DAC) no audible music.
gpap2004 said:
I bought Huawei CM33 Earbuds Handsfree USB-C white, but the phone didn't recognise the hands free earbuds. I'm looking for a good compatible hands free set with loud bass and clear sound. Any suggestions?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Soundmagic e10 or e11
i use this.
2.3 usd.
support s23 ultra dan laptop type c.
gpap2004 said:
I bought Huawei CM33 Earbuds Handsfree USB-C white, but the phone didn't recognise the hands free earbuds. I'm looking for a good compatible hands free set with loud bass and clear sound. Any suggestions?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
ANC Type-C Earphone, AKG earphone | Samsung Levant
ANC Type-C Earphone, AKG earphone, Note 10 earphone, Note 10+ earphone, Note10 5G earphone, Note 10+ 5G earphone, S10 earphoen, S10+ earphone, S10+ 5G earphone, Tab S6 earphone
www.samsung.com
Good bass, no adapter required, ebay has the lowest prices.
1MORE Quad Driver-Wired Hi-Res In-Ear Headphones-THX® Certified Sound
Winner of Technology X's Editor's Choice Award. The 1MORE Quad Driver In-Ear Headphone provides stunning sound, ergonomics, and design for the modern audiophile.
usa.1more.com
Better overall but you’ll need an adapter.