I don't have a V30 yet. Saving up for it right now. I do have an audio question though....
For a typical, non-Quad-DAC phone, I realize that an aux cable between the car's head unit and the phone's headphone jack should sound better than playing music via Bluetooth due to losses from Bluetooth.
With that said, with the V30, and using an aux cable to the radio's input jack...would enabling the Quad-DAC make any difference to the sound quality? I assume that the DAC and amplifier are designed for headphone use where headphones typically have no external power other than that provided by the signal. But, while using the aux cable and going through a car's amplified radio head unit, would the DAC give you anything above what the radio itself provides? Does the fact that the radio has a powered amp negate what the V30's DAC provides?
On a similar note...my old LG Optimus G Pro (currently my EDC phone) when connected to my car via Bluetooth...when I play a song on my phone, and then play the exact same MP3 file on an iPhone, the iPhone sounds better. Cleaner, clearer, better dynamic range and stereo separation, yet it's the identical MP3 source file. Is that a hardware issue between the 2 phones, or is it a software/firmware issue?
Good question. I haven't tried it in my vehicle yet. (I use thumb drives to listen to music in my truck.) I will try and report back. You can toggle the DAC on and off.
I'm interested in me too. I listen to music in the car via bluetooth. that is, V30 connected to the car stereo.
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I don't have a V30 yet. Saving up for it right now. I do have an audio question though....
For a typical, non-Quad-DAC phone, I realize that an aux cable between the car's head unit and the phone's headphone jack should sound better than playing music via Bluetooth due to losses from Bluetooth.
With that said, with the V30, and using an aux cable to the radio's input jack...would enabling the Quad-DAC make any difference to the sound quality? I assume that the DAC and amplifier are designed for headphone use where headphones typically have no external power other than that provided by the signal. But, while using the aux cable and going through a car's amplified radio head unit, would the DAC give you anything above what the radio itself provides? Does the fact that the radio has a powered amp negate what the V30's DAC provides?
On a similar note...my old LG Optimus G Pro (currently my EDC phone) when connected to my car via Bluetooth...when I play a song on my phone, and then play the exact same MP3 file on an iPhone, the iPhone sounds better. Cleaner, clearer, better dynamic range and stereo separation, yet it's the identical MP3 source file. Is that a hardware issue between the 2 phones, or is it a software/firmware issue?
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Tl;DR - aux will usually be better than BT. Make sure your source files are high quality. And lastly, USB transfer or stream will be the best quality in almost all scenerios.
Okay, a couple basics. DAC stands for Digital to Analog Converter. Your car system has a DAC for playing digital audio files. I suspect most decent car audio systems perform better DAC than most cell phones. While it may be better than most cell phones, I doubt our V30's would be better than most new car systems.
With Aux, your phone is doing the DAC and sending an analog signal to the car. Then you car is just amplifying (as per you eq sertings). With BT, your phone sends a digital signal, which is then run through the car DAC system.
Here's where it gets complicated. There are a few different codecs that can be used to compress the transfer, and then quality settings within them. In theory, BT can be a very high quality transfer with near 320kbps sound... BUT ... You get into compatibility issues. This would very likely be why the sound from the iPhone generated playback sounded better than the other phone; it is using a different codec or higher bitrate on compression. My post is already too long but search for BT codecs if you want more detail.
A few tips. Make sure your source file is good!
General convention is that a 128 is comparable to FM radio. 160 or 192 is generally felt to be similar to CD quality.
Check the setting on your music app. In spotify, both streaming and download bitrate settings can be bumped up. Jist be aware of your potential data and storage issues.
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Phone DAC won't come into play for BT transfer. Hopefully your car system has the codec compatibility for high quality transfer. If so, go with that. If not, then AUX will be better.
V30 DAC seems to be high quality, and will function for aux transfers. The car system will then apply analog effects (bass/treble or EQ boosts) during amplification. You will have to play with the settings to see what sounds best to your ears.
A final consideration: Take a look at USB cable connection. A modern car audio system will likely be able to take advantage of digital transfer via USB. This may take the form of seeing your phone as file storage or may allow for your phone to stream music. Either way, assuming a good quality car system, your car can playback your high quality files without any losses that come with BT. If the DAC in your car is better than the V30, then this will be best.
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Audio DAC on the V30 is mostly better than most car stereo converter. Heck, most laptop / desktop PC have lesser DAC than the V30.
BUT, in order to use it rightfully, you need high quality audio files. No matter how good is the DAC, playing 160kbps mp3 won't make a difference... Playing 24bits flac, on the other hand, will show you the difference between them all.
If you want, you can downlaod the sample on this site to test out the result:
http://www.eclassical.com/pages/24-bit-faq.html
That being said, the V30 pluged in the AUX will most likely sound better than mp3, as long as the sourde file are higher in quality.
Some of this stuff has already been mentioned, but here's my experience. I have a rooted V20 (waiting for bootloader unlock for US998 V30 before I buy it) with V4A. I also have a $4k custom audio system in my car with an amp, subwoofer, and aftermarket speakers. I love music and it's the only reason I've bought V20.
If you use BT, V30's DAC won't be used (as has been previously mentioned in this thread). If you use AUX, it will be. In my experience, AUX provides *far* better sound quality than BT. As far as Hi-Fi DAC, I discernibly notice a difference only with lossless audio; not so much with MP3. That difference, however, is enough for me to stick to the LG V* line and not switch to google pixel, which I would have done otherwise.
You should also keep in mind that not all cars will allow you to play audio through USB-C. Digital audio through Android is not nearly as widespread supported with car manufacturers as with iPhones.
If you have a good audio system in your car, you will be happy with the sound quality of your V30 through AUX, much more so than through BT.
Just for comparaison;
AptX as a bitrate of 352kbps
AptX HD as a bitrate of 576kbps
Mp3 @ 320kbps will stream with AptX with no lost,
Flac @ 16 bits have a bitrate around 900kbps (more or less, depending on many factors, but you can average on this)
Uncompress 16bits @ 44hz stereo is ~1400kbps
The Audio Dac of the V30 can run above this.
deroth said:
Some of this stuff has already been mentioned, but here's my experience. I have a rooted V20 (waiting for bootloader unlock for US998 V30 before I buy it) with V4A. I also have a $4k custom audio system in my car with an amp, subwoofer, and aftermarket speakers. I love music and it's the only reason I've bought V20.
If you use BT, V30's DAC won't be used (as has been previously mentioned in this thread). If you use AUX, it will be. In my experience, AUX provides *far* better sound quality than BT. As far as Hi-Fi DAC, I discernibly notice a difference only with lossless audio; not so much with MP3. That difference, however, is enough for me to stick to the LG V* line and not switch to google pixel, which I would have done otherwise.
You should also keep in mind that not all cars will allow you to play audio through USB-C. Digital audio through Android is not nearly as widespread supported with car manufacturers as with iPhones.
If you have a good audio system in your car, you will be happy with the sound quality of your V30 through AUX, much more so than through BT.
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What is your opinion/experience with streaming?
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What is your opinion/experience with streaming?
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Most online streaming sources utilize same compression as MP3, so I personally don't notice much difference whether HIFI DAC is on or off. I'm sure if I was using something like Tidal for streaming, which steams lossless audio, the difference would be there.
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Hi everyone.
I did a Google search and did not find anything related.
As we already know/experienced, the sound quality on cellphones when playing music on headphones/earphones is not that good. Someone might suggest boosting the audio file with pc software or even using a 3rd party app to make the sound better/louder on the phone, but this usually does not help that much, if not make the sound even worse.
So this got me thinking... what if we could somehow harness the power of our portable x-fi go soundcard. It's a soundcard integrated in a USB stick.
http://www.itechnews.net/wp-content...-Sound-Blaster-X-Fi-Go-Pro-USB-Sound-Card.jpg
So what would theoretically be needed if this is to be implemented.
* Female USB to Male MicroUSB/MiniUSB cable, to make a connection between the stick and the cellphone.
* Android drivers for Creative X-Fi Go, so that the cellphone can detect the stick and utilize its magic power.
* If the cellphone is not able to give enough power to the USB card, there's always the possibility to split the power cable of the usb cable and connect it to a external battery.
Anyone here with greater knowledge know if this is possible?
If this idea becomes real, we will also eliminate the need to buy external amps like Fiio.
If this problem has already been solved, then please point me to right directions because i did not find anything related on Google or xda search.
Thanks in advanced.
I'm sure this is possible but I don't see the benefit of it. The sound on my device I think is awesome as it is. Investing in some good headphones will probably be a lot more beneficial than implementing this idea.
Out of curiosity what device and headphones do you have?
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I'm using Samsung Galaxy S2 with Sennheiser HD215, and believe me, there's a huge difference, when listening to music on my laptop trough X-Fi vs sg2 with my headphones.
http://www.virtualdj.com/image/22168/3424/s_headphones.jpg
I think the audio quality on my Android devices are fine, the sound is usually limited by the quality of the input file since I'm usually playing lossy formats like MP3. On GB or newer you can get a system wide EQ app, I use Equalizer. It will allow you to set and EQ and bass boost which can make earbuds sound a lot better.
If the audio simply isn't loud enough from your phone you could get an external headphone booster. Boosting audio in files or via an EQ too much will only lead to distortion, where as a headphone booster is a small amplifier that runs from external power and amplifies the analog audio output. These will be helpful when powering larger headphones.
Hi,
I am known to headphone amps, such as FiiO. That's why i was wondering if someone knew how to create some sort of android drivers for creative x-fi usb sound card, and i could use that as an amp instead of buying a new one.
For Recording!
I want to see support for USB sound cards not so much for playback but for recording! There is currently no way to get sound from a microphone into an android thing.
An app that made an android sound studio using a USB sound card would be a major winner. Yeah, drivers and all that but hey!
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I want to see support for USB sound cards not so much for playback but for recording! There is currently no way to get sound from a microphone into an android thing.
An app that made an android sound studio using a USB sound card would be a major winner. Yeah, drivers and all that but hey!
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i'm not a hardcore programmer, but i'm pretty sure if someone actually got a sound card working, the recording part would follow along.
How about porting X-Fi functionality from Creative ZiiO 7 tablet. think it can be done if the X-fi is not hardware base unlike, Beats, xLoud can be ported to other devices.
people with stock earbuds will never notice a difference lol. people who invest in premium earbuds of $150+ get used to the higher quality available on high quality audio devices. and yes my samsung galaxy note has horrible sound compared to the x-fi mp3 player.
the x-fi crystalizer is no marketing gimmick. it's an audiophile's wet dream. i sometimes process things through it like a real-time sfx filter haha
hey guys, i noticed that listening to music over my sony car stereo is not of great quality i tried all the settings in the sound, like clear audio etc, and dynamic settings and sound enhancement settings, i use power amp player and use music fx setting with it, also tried without it . Can someone recommend whats the best way to listen to music to over bluetooth, i also tried installing viper4android audio mod but something is putting me off when it comes to listening to music over bluetooth. my car stereo is sony bt mex5000
Try Player Pro with DSP Pack..if that doesn't do it. Plug it in with a regular cable to your car stereo and try that
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Try Player Pro with DSP Pack..if that doesn't do it. Plug it in with a regular cable to your car stereo and try that
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tried it still the same not that good, is there anyone that can tell me what i need to buy to enhance and get best audio quality over bluetooth as i try to not use cables at all
Your ultra supports apt-x, so streaming over apt-x is the better bet, but not sure if your car supports it.
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If you're streaming to a car stereo you have to take into account that you have 2 amps in play. You need the sound coming out of the phone as clean as possible, so turn off any enhancements including graphic equalising and just have a pure output. Otherwise you'll get double processing which will sound awful. This goes double for POWERaMP as it has probably the most powerful processing available!
Unfortunately your stereo doesn't support apt-x but you should still get good quality through a2dp.
You haven't said what's wrong with the sound though? Give a brief description.
I use mine on my parrot with PowerAmp and it sounds flawless.
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If you're streaming to a car stereo you have to take into account that you have 2 amps in play. You need the sound coming out of the phone as clean as possible, so turn off any enhancements including graphic equalising and just have a pure output. Otherwise you'll get double processing which will sound awful. This goes double for POWERaMP as it has probably the most powerful processing available!
Unfortunately your stereo doesn't support apt-x but you should still get good quality through a2dp.
You haven't said what's wrong with the sound though? Give a brief description.
I use mine on my parrot with PowerAmp and it sounds flawless.
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interesting, i thought if i use enhancements on my phone like viper4android it will help in listening to good quality over bluetooth.
I use power amp, so you advise me to remove the also direct control from power amp, and the equaliser too from power amp, and streaming as clean as possible to my sony stereo and control the sound from there.
how about the tone on power amp and the limit on shall i turn them off too.
How bout the sony z ultra, it has sound mods too like clear audio and sound enhancement and dynamic normaliser should i turn then off too.
since i started playing with processing enhancements I started to hate listening to music altogether.
I just bought today jbl component speaker 4 of them, and jbl sub, so i would really like help in how to listen to great sound, and which player other than power amp is the best out there, i tried neutron player and i found it so difficult to get good sound out of it, especially when i played with enhancements
the sound i got before the jbls component was so muffled and so strange and irritating mids get lost, and if i turn up the mids the sound becomes so sharp and irritating to my ears.
with jbl its better now but i still am not where id like to be in listening to music over bluetooth, but i know my problem now mainly is to know how to stream music the best way from my phone to my sony BT mex5100. I know i my car stereo does not support aptx, so do u think if i buy a aptx bluetooth receiver like the uplay puck or kinivo it will help more or will it make no difference
what i aim to is a nice smooth sound not so sharp on my ears and a nice bass
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interesting, i thought if i use enhancements on my phone like viper4android it will help in listening to good quality over bluetooth.
I use power amp, so you advise me to remove the also direct control from power amp, and the equaliser too from power amp, and streaming as clean as possible to my sony stereo and control the sound from there.
how about the tone on power amp and the limit on shall i turn them off too.
How bout the sony z ultra, it has sound mods too like clear audio and sound enhancement and dynamic normaliser should i turn then off too.
since i started playing with processing enhancements I started to hate listening to music altogether.
I just bought today jbl component speaker 4 of them, and jbl sub, so i would really like help in how to listen to great sound, and which player other than power amp is the best out there, i tried neutron player and i found it so difficult to get good sound out of it, especially when i played with enhancements
the sound i got before the jbls component was so muffled and so strange and irritating mids get lost, and if i turn up the mids the sound becomes so sharp and irritating to my ears.
with jbl its better now but i still am not where id like to be in listening to music over bluetooth, but i know my problem now mainly is to know how to stream music the best way from my phone to my sony BT mex5100. I know i my car stereo does not support aptx, so do u think if i buy a aptx bluetooth receiver like the uplay puck or kinivo it will help more or will it make no difference
what i aim to is a nice smooth sound not so sharp on my ears and a nice bass
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Yeah, basically if you're outputting post processed sound to your car stereo, your stereo is doubling processing on top, so any bass or treble will be amped through the roof and so distort and hiss. Take as clean a sound into the car amp and then the amp can manage the levels properly within tolerance. Car amps are very difficult to replicate pure sound, they usually have some bias built in to make the most out of the environment and surrounding noise levels, plus they're a lot more powerful than any phone, so that's why you should rely on the stereo processing rather than amping the phone and running the stereo clean, just wouldn't have the same quality.
Also disable any Sony effects, they'll screw the output out also. Turn everything off.
Apt-x makes a big difference, so if you can, definitely look at a newer model, maybe pioneer or alpine or a high end parrot for great quality. With bluetooth, you definitely get what you pay for, so it's worth looking at the high end systems, and if possible test them out somewhere to find the one that's right for you. We've got Halfords in the UK where you can demo the systems in the shop, I'm sure there'll be something around wherever you are.
Personally I've always used PowerAmp, I love the sound it produces through headphones with processing, as well as clean when I disable all the tweaks, haven't found any other player that matches it so can't really comment on alternatives.
Probably not worth saying but make sure the format is good quality, 320 bit mp3, aac, etc. Anything less and you'll lose the bass and treble.
Really grateful for this topic as I'd love to know other people's views on this too... I have a mid level parrot system which I'm thinking of upgrading as it's a little low on power.
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Yeah, basically if you're outputting post processed sound to your car stereo, your stereo is doubling processing on top, so any bass or treble will be amped through the roof and so distort and hiss. Take as clean a sound into the car amp and then the amp can manage the levels properly within tolerance. Car amps are very difficult to replicate pure sound, they usually have some bias built in to make the most out of the environment and surrounding noise levels, plus they're a lot more powerful than any phone, so that's why you should rely on the stereo processing rather than amping the phone and running the stereo clean, just wouldn't have the same quality.
Also disable any Sony effects, they'll screw the output out also. Turn everything off.
Apt-x makes a big difference, so if you can, definitely look at a newer model, maybe pioneer or alpine or a high end parrot for great quality. With bluetooth, you definitely get what you pay for, so it's worth looking at the high end systems, and if possible test them out somewhere to find the one that's right for you. We've got Halfords in the UK where you can demo the systems in the shop, I'm sure there'll be something around wherever you are.
Personally I've always used PowerAmp, I love the sound it produces through headphones with processing, as well as clean when I disable all the tweaks, haven't found any other player that matches it so can't really comment on alternatives.
Probably not worth saying but make sure the format is good quality, 320 bit mp3, aac, etc. Anything less and you'll lose the bass and treble.
Really grateful for this topic as I'd love to know other people's views on this too... I have a mid level parrot system which I'm thinking of upgrading as it's a little low on power.
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i checked the net and i could not find any car stereo that has bluetooth with aptx, so which aptx receiver shall i buy, I found so far kinivo or play puck is there something better than those, by the way i bought the sony sbh2 bluetooth headset do u think i can use it as a good receiver but it does not support aptx
today i received my sony sbh2 headset, i tried streaming music using its bleu tooth capability on my sony stereo bt mex 5100 which has bluetooth in itself. so when i compared streaming music using the bluetooth of sbh2 to my sony stereo the sound was worse than when i used the built in bluetooth of my sony stereo. I know that my shb2 does not support aptx, so I was wondering if I buy a dongle that supports aptx will it give me better sound on my sony stereo than the built in bluetooth of my sony car stereo which does not support aptx.
I don't want to waste money if it won't improve the sound quality
Hey guys I was wondering if anyone in this V30 forum could help me out. I am looking to get a new device and my main interest is audio. I use my phone as my daily mp3 player in my car via Bluetooth. I cannot find any real answers anywhere I look. I am stuck between the new S9 and the V30. My main question is, does the DAC work via Bluetooth? I know the Dolby Atmos will but its not that customizable (only a few pre-set options). Can someone explain the V30's capabilities (tuning, adjusting, customizing via Bluetooth) and if you feel the S9 would be a better option for my situation? All the vids and write-ups I could find don't help at all. Thanks for any feed back, much appreciated.
The Bluetooth is digital; the DAC won't benefit you when using Bluetooth.
when playing music through the bluetooth Galaxy s9 will be a much better choice. Even on the headphones with the dolby atmos activated is really very good.
I have used both the devices and unless you are going to root LG v30 to get viper4android or Dolby Atmos s9 is the one to go
If you already have some high quality head phones then may be you can give v30 a try
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when playing music through the bluetooth Galaxy s9 will be a much better choice. Even on the headphones with the dolby atmos activated is really very good.
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why will S9 be a MUCH BETTER choice?
what makes S9 so awesome on bluetooth?
Because V30 is not the best for me in this respect and in s9 dolby atmos also works by bluetooth and really gives a great effect.
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Hey guys I was wondering if anyone in this V30 forum could help me out. I am looking to get a new device and my main interest is audio. I use my phone as my daily mp3 player in my car via Bluetooth. I cannot find any real answers anywhere I look. I am stuck between the new S9 and the V30. My main question is, does the DAC work via Bluetooth? I know the Dolby Atmos will but its not that customizable (only a few pre-set options). Can someone explain the V30's capabilities (tuning, adjusting, customizing via Bluetooth) and if you feel the S9 would be a better option for my situation? All the vids and write-ups I could find don't help at all. Thanks for any feed back, much appreciated.
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The Quad DAC is audio processor for wired components via the 3.5mm headset jack -- normally headphones but some have used auxiliary cable to connect to car stereo.
Has nothing to do with Bluetooth.
The quad DAC will give you the BEST audio possible. Period. But your headphones or car stereo must be physically connected to your V30.
Yes the V30 has also Bluetooth, just like every other Android phones for the past several years. But Bluetooth has nothing to do with headset jack.
No Bluetooth headset can match high quality wired headset with a quad DAC.
If you must use Bluetooth, then that's another question.
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Because V30 is not the best for me in this respect and in s9 dolby atmos also works by bluetooth and really gives a great effect.
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dolby atmos is not even hardware... it's software and it has been ported to oreo.
at this moment you cannot match the v30's DAC's quality with any phone.
and music through bluetooth sound like s*** compared to how it sounds through a wire... (asuming you have a good source and, in some cases, you can physically hear the difference (i met people who were slighty deaf and they could not hear the differences))
you could try poweramp with it's effects and DVC.
Do not tell me stupid about some ports because they are hopeless. I had s9 plus and dolby atmos in s9 is not the same as in the ports for other devices. There is not the smallest comparison. Even on wired headphones with s9 sounds great, there is nothing missing from it. And do not say that the V30 is such a miracle in terms of music because it is not like that at all. It plays very well when the amplifier that fills up the sound is played, without it the s9 with the dolby listens more pleasantly.
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Do not tell me stupid about some ports because they are hopeless. I had s9 plus and dolby atmos in s9 is not the same as in the ports for other devices. There is not the smallest comparison. Even on wired headphones with s9 sounds great, there is nothing missing from it. And do not say that the V30 is such a miracle in terms of music because it is not like that at all. It plays very well when the amplifier that fills up the sound is played, without it the s9 with the dolby listens more pleasantly.
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Skit, please don't drink-and-post. Put the keyboard down. Back away from the keyboard.
You're confusing two topics.
The LG V30 has far superior wired audio over any other mainstream cellphone. That's one of the calling cards. Nothing else is close. It's okay if you can't hear the difference; the S9 is better than anything you could buy a decade ago, and without really good cans (headphones), hardly anybody would notice. You won't notice with hyper-compressed 120Kbps mp3s, just as that "enhance photo" scene from the original Blade Runner was crap. But the V30 Quad-DAC really is the best... if your music was compressed with enough quality, your earphones are good enough and you're wired.
Not that kind of "wired" you are while writing your semi-coherent rants. The other kind.
Now to Bluetooth...
The LG V30 supports aptX bluetooth. So does the Samsung Galaxy S9. This is the top-end Bluetooth "codec", often coined "CD quality." Which really means, "better than FM radio, better than low-bitrate MP3, but not so great." Remember, CDs came out in 1982. Which was probably before you were born.
So what happens with the music? If you're listening via wired cans (the DAC), the Quad-DAC applies a lot of math (FFTs, smoothing, psycho acoustics) and tries to make the music as great as it can be. Roughly the equivalent of anti-aliasing an image. The S9 doesn't have all of that, so it will sound a smidge harsher, just a shade less accurate... but still better than anything a decade ago. And Bluetooth... on either one - the LG V30 and Samsung S9 have precisely exactly the same best-case aptX sound, because it's from your headphones, not the phone... will sound like something from three-and-a-half decades ago. Which was amazing at the time, and is good enough for an airplane, or low-cost earbuds, or if you're listing to hip-hop or rap, etc. But in those cases, why are you pontificating?
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Skit, please don't drink-and-post. Put the keyboard down. Back away from the keyboard.
You're confusing two topics.
The LG V30 has far superior wired audio over any other mainstream cellphone. That's one of the calling cards. Nothing else is close. It's okay if you can't hear the difference; the S9 is better than anything you could buy a decade ago, and without really good cans (headphones), hardly anybody would notice. You won't notice with hyper-compressed 120Kbps mp3s, just as that "enhance photo" scene from the original Blade Runner was crap. But the V30 Quad-DAC really is the best... if your music was compressed with enough quality, your earphones are good enough and you're wired.
Not that kind of "wired" you are while writing your semi-coherent rants. The other kind.
Now to Bluetooth...
The LG V30 supports aptX bluetooth. So does the Samsung Galaxy S9. This is the top-end Bluetooth "codec", often coined "CD quality." Which really means, "better than FM radio, better than low-bitrate MP3, but not so great." Remember, CDs came out in 1982. Which was probably before you were born.
So what happens with the music? If you're listening via wired cans (the DAC), the Quad-DAC applies a lot of math (FFTs, smoothing, psycho acoustics) and tries to make the music as great as it can be. Roughly the equivalent of anti-aliasing an image. The S9 doesn't have all of that, so it will sound a smidge harsher, just a shade less accurate... but still better than anything a decade ago. And Bluetooth... on either one - the LG V30 and Samsung S9 have precisely exactly the same best-case aptX sound, because it's from your headphones, not the phone... will sound like something from three-and-a-half decades ago. Which was amazing at the time, and is good enough for an airplane, or low-cost earbuds, or if you're listing to hip-hop or rap, etc. But in those cases, why are you pontificating?
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Just to continue the point, Bluetooth audio still requires a DAC or Digital Analog Converter. However the DAC in use when using Bluetooth audio is in the head unit of your car stereo, not in your phone. When you play music via Bluetooth, your sending a digital signal to your "headphones" (in this case your car stereo), where it pulls the muscle of converting the digital signal into an analog waveform that can be played back by your speakers. This is why the same sound file sounds different when played back through your hi-fi system when compared to your car stereo. They use different DACs.
If I'm not mistaken (if I am please correct me), Dolby Atmos is software processing applied to the digital signal before it reaches the DAC, which is why it works over Bluetooth.
Im pretty sure people have made a big mistake in their recommendation to you. The LG V30 has the high quality bluetooth audio feature along with its Quad DAC. Not just wired audio will benefit from it. Its designed for Hi-Fi bluetooth too.
The V30 has Qualcomms new aptX HD Bluetooth Codec. Which Samsung does not. LG are still retaining their place at top of the Wireless leaderboard with this device.
Samsung obviously cannot have aptX if it does not have a Qualcomm processor or chipset.
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I have used both the devices and unless you are going to root LG v30 to get viper4android or Dolby Atmos s9 is the one to go
If you already have some high quality head phones then may be you can give v30 a try
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Please don't post this BS information.
If you are running V4A, your Quad Dac is not working.
The music will have a down sample and an up sample.
V4A is for devices without a Quad Dac.
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Just get the V30 if you are looking for audio.
I've used the v30 before i got my s9+, the audio quality that s9 delivers is nothing compared to what i get from my V30,I still go back to my v30 when I have to listen to my favourite beats. The v30 has a hardware advantage over the samsung. And both the phones have Bluetooth 5.0 support so you won't have any troubles playing audio via Bluetooth, but if you are looking for a superrior audio quality get a LG v30 with a good set of wired earphones/headphones. Sorry for any grammatical errors, English isn't my first language.
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Because V30 is not the best for me in this respect and in s9 dolby atmos also works by bluetooth and really gives a great effect.
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Surprised to hear Dolby Atmos on Bluetooth. It's has to do something with speakers.
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I've used the v30 before i got my s9+, the audio quality that s9 delivers is nothing compared to what i get from my V30,I still go back to my v30 when I have to listen to my favourite beats. The v30 has a hardware advantage over the samsung. And both the phones have Bluetooth 5.0 support so you won't have any troubles playing audio via Bluetooth, but if you are looking for a superrior audio quality get a LG v30 with a good set of wired earphones/headphones. Sorry for any grammatical errors, English isn't my first language.
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Also, since you wrote that post a few months ago, we now have DTS 3D Surround sound on rooted V30, since LG put the DTS framework in the phones with recent updates. DTS is available on both wired AND wireless (Bluetooth) connections.
Why rooted? Because even though the libs are there, for some reason LG hasn't yet enabled it on unrooted stock firmware. But it's still a fantastic development, as long as you have most recent firmware. @JohnFawkes is enabling it on his TWRP-flashable zips, so you don't need to anything except flash Magkisk before rebooting (which you would do anyway). If you are not using one of his zips, then use the linked Guide above.
ChazzMatt said:
The Quad DAC is audio processor for wired components via the 3.5mm headset jack -- normally headphones but some have used auxiliary cable to connect to car stereo.
Has nothing to do with Bluetooth.
The quad DAC will give you the BEST audio possible. Period. But your headphones or car stereo must be physically connected to your V30.
Yes the V30 has also Bluetooth, just like every other Android phones for the past several years. But Bluetooth has nothing to do with headset jack.
No Bluetooth headset can match high quality wired headset with a quad DAC.
If you must use Bluetooth, then that's another question.
Sent via open market LG US998 V30/V30+
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DTS libs though lol, doubt s9 or really any phone has anything like that over bluetooth
Ok I searched for Solution on google, it seems no body else is facing this issue. So here is my problem I migrated on to v30 from v20 and I noticed that whenever i play a song with quad dac on there is a very audible static noise in the background, like if the mic on or a better example would it feels like the song is being played on a radio.. where along with song there is a hint of crackle and white noise. My V20 never had this problem.
Is anyone else facing the issue, BTW I am on Philippine oreo KDZ, and will LG cover the warranty or should i wait and flash Indian Oreo to claim warranty??
did you try different audio sources, headphones, also try some speakers
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Ok I searched for Solution on google, it seems no body else is facing this issue. So here is my problem I migrated on to v30 from v20 and I noticed that whenever i play a song with quad dac on there is a very audible static noise in the background, like if the mic on or a better example would it feels like the song is being played on a radio.. where along with song there is a hint of crackle and white noise. My V20 never had this problem.
Is anyone else facing the issue, BTW I am on Philippine oreo KDZ, and will LG cover the warranty or should i wait and flash Indian Oreo to claim warranty??
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Look: you ever used the "high performance" mode of the WCD9xxx in-built DAC of any previous Android phone ?
This raises up the output but also comes with the cost of higher "white noise" / static, etc. - this in turn is able to drive headphones with a high impedance Ω
The same applies to the dedicated "quad dac" - it has high output by default and thus is to be experienced best with "high quality" (well, most high quality headphones have higher impedance than the very cheap headphones).
There's a noticable difference for me when switching between e.g. the EP630, Xiaomi Pistons and the provided B & O Headphones that came along with the V30.
So there is NO issue and there is not really a solution but to use it in the way that it was meant to be used
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What @iRS_ wrote (other headphones with higher impedance)
iRS_ said:
did you try different audio sources, headphones, also try some speakers
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I did like, never had this problem on my Lg V20
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I did like, never had this problem on my Lg V20
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i am asking if you tried all this on v30, NOT v20 ?
zacharias.maladroit said:
Look: you ever used the "high performance" mode of the WCD9xxx in-built DAC of any previous Android phone ?
This raises up the output but also comes with the cost of higher "white noise" / static, etc. - this in turn is able to drive headphones with a high impedance Ω
The same applies to the dedicated "quad dac" - it has high output by default and thus is to be experienced best with "high quality" (well, most high quality headphones have higher impedance than the very cheap headphones).
There's a noticable difference for me when switching between e.g. the EP630, Xiaomi Pistons and the provided B & O Headphones that came along with the V30.
So there is NO issue and there is not really a solution but to use it in the way that it was meant to be used
tl;dr
What @iRS_ wrote (other headphones with higher impedance)
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If a DAC has distortion and audible static interference then its not doing its job. In simple layman terms, Switching on DAC should improve sound stage and frequency response and it is noticeable on any even basic headphones. Like I mentioned in my post I have Lg V20 too, and the DAC on that phone doesn't have any of the issue which i mentioned about my V30, to which you say is not an issue. Also Headphone (Mi Piston) is not an issue.. coz the same headphones works perfectly on V20..
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If a DAC has distortion and audible static interference then its not doing its job. In simple layman terms, Switching on DAC should improve sound stage and frequency response and it is noticeable on any even basic headphones. Like I mentioned in my post I have Lg V20 too, and the DAC on that phone doesn't have any of the issue which i mentioned about my V30, to which you say is not an issue. Also Headphone (Mi Piston) is not an issue.. coz the same headphones works perfectly on V20..
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well, it could be due to how the driver & kernel is compiled (so it would be an out-of-the-box issue) - I've experienced this kind of increase in static noise on the Z5 once going from fstack-protector-regular to fstack-protector-strong (more functions protected or "tainted" in that case)
https://outflux.net/blog/archives/2014/01/27/fstack-protector-strong/
https://lwn.net/Articles/584225/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_overflow_protection
Since the stock kernel is built that way by default the audio output quality could be somewhat worse compared to V20 (if there the kernel was compiled with fstack-protector-regular).
I can clearly hear how there's some distortion and audible static noise when the screen is off, quad dac enabled and changing volume (up or down) - the amp first is gone, the output is much more silent and there sound is less clear - more static can be heard
I've attributed this to the quality of the audio tracks I'm listening to - since with fully digitally created tracks this didn't seem to occur that much.
Also there's one particular issue I had forgotten:
Once connecting the Xiaomi Hybrid Pro and having Quad DAC disabled (so the stock WCD94xx used) either on left or right channel (every several seconds) there is solely (no other output) very loud static noise while playing music [similar to the static on old-ass TVs where only static is being shown and similar sound played],
when enabling quad dac/ES9028PRO it's gone. No matter what audio track is being played this was happening - I wasn't sure whether this was a software or hardware issue and since this was only happening with one particular type of headphones/IEMs I keep the phone so far.
Since you mention that the static noise appears along music output I doubt it's a similar issue you're observing.
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I did like, never had this problem on my Lg V20
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Yes I did.. And by v20 i mean i tried all Flac, same mp3 on both the devices, wired speakers, headphones, so it doesnt seem the problem is with any of the external devices, , tried different music player, same problem it has to be issue with V30's dac or the headphone jack its just when i start playing a song with Hifi option on, the static and light crackles starts and when the song finishes playing or I pause the song the noise stops after like 15 seconds or if i turn off the dac the noise stops immediately. But toggling hifi option on and off without any music playing the issue doesnt exist, its just when a song starts and DAC kicks the issue appears, so i doubt its even headphone jack
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well, it could be due to how the driver & kernel is compiled (so it would be an out-of-the-box issue) - I've experienced this kind of increase in static noise on the Z5 once going from fstack-protector-regular to fstack-protector-strong (more functions protected or "tainted" in that case)
https://outflux.net/blog/archives/2014/01/27/fstack-protector-strong/
https://lwn.net/Articles/584225/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_overflow_protection
Since the stock kernel is built that way by default the audio output quality could be somewhat worse compared to V20 (if there the kernel was compiled with fstack-protector-regular).
I can clearly hear how there's some distortion and audible static noise when the screen is off, quad dac enabled and changing volume (up or down) - the amp first is gone, the output is much more silent and there sound is less clear - more static can be heard
I've attributed this to the quality of the audio tracks I'm listening to - since with fully digitally created tracks this didn't seem to occur that much.
Also there's one particular issue I had forgotten:
Once connecting the Xiaomi Hybrid Pro and having Quad DAC disabled (so the stock WCD94xx used) either on left or right channel (every several seconds) there is solely (no other output) very loud static noise while playing music [similar to the static on old-ass TVs where only static is being shown and similar sound played],
when enabling quad dac/ES9028PRO it's gone. No matter what audio track is being played this was happening - I wasn't sure whether this was a software or hardware issue and since this was only happening with one particular type of headphones/IEMs I keep the phone so far.
Since you mention that the static noise appears along music output I doubt it's a similar issue you're observing.
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I wish i could have tested on indian nougat when i had it, to see if it is oreo related issue, now i have to wait for Indian Oreo to see if that rom has the solution. I think Ill probably send it to LG to fix it while its under warranty
Stock Nougat, just going to start the bootloader unlock process, but sonically it's been flawless, orgasmic actually, with Sennheiser 6xx's, Etymotic HF2's and ER4's as well as BT to a UE Boom. Only the occasional crackle because my HF2's cabling is getting old, so sadly I'd think you have a bad unit.
Even I am experiencing the exact same , I'm on Indian Oreo kdz. When I turn on high impedance mode with sennhieser hd 598 and then connect it to my ath e 40 , I get a continuous hiss throughout the song.. sometimes it's irritating really.. I want to ask if someone who has rooted and using whiskyomega mod having same issues ?
By the way I don't get it on hd 598 , it probably dampens it..
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Even I am experiencing the exact same , I'm on Indian Oreo kdz. When I turn on high impedance mode with sennhieser hd 598 and then connect it to my ath e 40 , I get a continuous hiss throughout the song.. sometimes it's irritating really.. I want to ask if someone who has rooted and using whiskyomega mod having same issues ?
By the way I don't get it on hd 598 , it probably dampens it..
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The HD598 is 50 ohms (more resistance) while the E40 is merely 12 ohms, with a dynamic driver, I am guessing fairly sensitive. I wouldn't use HIM with earphones like that in the first place. That said, V30 is known for having a very low noise floor, so I wouldn't expect hiss, even with HIM and sensitive earphones.
Which music player do you use and what is your music source? Unfortunately V30 will upsample 44.1Khz sources (i.e. all CDs and most streaming sources) to 48KHz before sending it to the DAC. This should not be audible in most cases, but a few people are able to hear it when using very sensitive IEMs (typically balanced armature drivers). It is described in the opening post of the thread linked below:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/music-apps-tips-and-tricks-for-the-lg-v30.868978/
The way around it is to use a music player that bypasses the standard Android audio path, such as UAPP or Neutron, both of which use their own audio driver that sends music directly to the ESS DAC.
Another possible explanation is if some EQ or other processing in your music player is messing with the data before it reaches the DAC. If you try playing with UAPP using Bit-perfect mode, that's a great way to determine if it is a hardware problem (which is possible) or something in the digital audio path. You can download a free trial using the link below:
http://www.extreamsd.com/index.php/uapp-trial
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The HD598 is 50 ohms (more resistance) while the E40 is merely 12 ohms, with a dynamic driver, I am guessing fairly sensitive. I wouldn't use HIM with earphones like that in the first place. That said, V30 is known for having a very low noise floor, so I wouldn't expect hiss, even with HIM and sensitive earphones.
Which music player do you use and what is your music source? Unfortunately V30 will upsample 44.1Khz sources (i.e. all CDs and most streaming sources) to 48KHz before sending it to the DAC. This should not be audible in most cases, but a few people are able to hear it when using very sensitive IEMs (typically balanced armature drivers). It is described in the opening post of the thread linked below:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/music-apps-tips-and-tricks-for-the-lg-v30.868978/
The way around it is to use a music player that bypasses the standard Android audio path, such as UAPP or Neutron, both of which use their own audio driver that sends music directly to the ESS DAC.
Another possible explanation is if some EQ or other processing in your music player is messing with the data before it reaches the DAC. If you try playing with UAPP using Bit-perfect mode, that's a great way to determine if it is a hardware problem (which is possible) or something in the digital audio path. You can download a free trial using the link below:
http://www.extreamsd.com/index.php/uapp-trial
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Will try those apps out.. i always use the in built music app. And ath e 40 sound just amazing with the DAC, that kinda quality just gives me a high , so I can't let it go.. I never imagined those earphones could be so good !!
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Ok I searched for Solution on google, it seems no body else is facing this issue. So here is my problem I migrated on to v30 from v20 and I noticed that whenever i play a song with quad dac on there is a very audible static noise in the background, like if the mic on or a better example would it feels like the song is being played on a radio.. where along with song there is a hint of crackle and white noise. My V20 never had this problem.
Is anyone else facing the issue, BTW I am on Philippine oreo KDZ, and will LG cover the warranty or should i wait and flash Indian Oreo to claim warranty??
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This sounds similar to what I experienced with my V30S using Beyerdynamic iDX200 headphones with the extension cable design*.
At first I thought I had received a defective V30S. Then I found the problem was limited to those particular headphones with their included extension cable. With the extension cable removed, and with any other headphones, the V30S audio quality problem disappeared. And the iDX200 sound fine on my other phone, as long as the extension cable connection is clean (it is prone to signal degradation by contamination).
My guess is that the V30 system that measures load impedance on the 3.5mm jack has some kind of anomaly related to imdedance/VSWR imposed by the connection of the iDX200 extension cable, even if that connection is clean.
Try different headphones.
(* The iDX200 cable is too short by itself, it has to be used with a short extension, either the included one or another.)
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Ok I searched for Solution on google, it seems no body else is facing this issue. So here is my problem I migrated on to v30 from v20 and I noticed that whenever i play a song with quad dac on there is a very audible static noise in the background, like if the mic on or a better example would it feels like the song is being played on a radio.. where along with song there is a hint of crackle and white noise. My V20 never had this problem.
Is anyone else facing the issue, BTW I am on Philippine oreo KDZ, and will LG cover the warranty or should i wait and flash Indian Oreo to claim warranty??
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I have found a solution!!
Go to hifi settings in balance section, reduce the volume from left and right to as low as possible, I've kept it zero and just raise the volume to your liking..
In my case the hiss has reduced drastically to the point I can ignore it ! Hope this works for you!
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The HD598 is 50 ohms (more resistance) while the E40 is merely 12 ohms, with a dynamic driver, I am guessing fairly sensitive. I wouldn't use HIM with earphones like that in the first place. That said, V30 is known for having a very low noise floor, so I wouldn't expect hiss, even with HIM and sensitive earphones.
Which music player do you use and what is your music source? Unfortunately V30 will upsample 44.1Khz sources (i.e. all CDs and most streaming sources) to 48KHz before sending it to the DAC. This should not be audible in most cases, but a few people are able to hear it when using very sensitive IEMs (typically balanced armature drivers). It is described in the opening post of the thread linked below:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/music-apps-tips-and-tricks-for-the-lg-v30.868978/
The way around it is to use a music player that bypasses the standard Android audio path, such as UAPP or Neutron, both of which use their own audio driver that sends music directly to the ESS DAC.
Another possible explanation is if some EQ or other processing in your music player is messing with the data before it reaches the DAC. If you try playing with UAPP using Bit-perfect mode, that's a great way to determine if it is a hardware problem (which is possible) or something in the digital audio path. You can download a free trial using the link below:
http://www.extreamsd.com/index.php/uapp-trial
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THANKS A TON!! uapp works like a charm , zero noise and never before heard sound quality !!! I'm Loveñ it !! I couldn't configure neutron though
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THANKS A TON!! uapp works like a charm , zero noise and never before heard sound quality !!! I'm Loveñ it !! I couldn't configure neutron though
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Great! I'm glad you like it.
And interesting that it solved the noise problem too. That most likely means it was the artifacts caused by upsampling 44.1KHz to 48KHz (performed by Android's standard audio path) that you were able to hear.
UAPP is my favorite too, both for its features, its ability to play redbook (44.1KHz/16bit) without upsampling, and for its user interface. Neutron can do that too, but I could never understand its user interface.
In UAPP, under HiRes Driver flags, make sure to select the MQA flag if you play MQA files or streams. This will ensure that the ESS Sabre DAC is fully utilitized for MQA playback.
Correction- high impedance mode when switched on, even this app makes the noise , I had tried without the high impedance mode..?
but still ,otherwise quality seems better than the stock ! ?
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Correction- high impedance mode when switched on, even this app makes the noise , I had tried without the high impedance mode..?
but still ,otherwise quality seems better than the stock ! ?
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Something is wrong, that just doesn't make sense. If anything, there should be less noise (if the theory of HIM activating more DAC units is true). And in any case is the V30 known for having very little noise, in any of its modes.
How do you trigger HIM? If you plug your headphones/earphones in directly (no adapters of extension cables) is volume loud enough?
If you play music through an impedance adapter, then I suggest you don't. Unplug the adapter once you've achieved HIM, then plug your headphones/earphones into the extension cable (or TRS adapter).
And if you don't need HIM to drive your headphones/earphones loud enough, I suggest you don't need it for maximum sound quality. The V30 was designed to adapt its output mode to the connected headphones/earphones. While it fails to do that correctly with planar magnetic ones, it does it correctly on most others.
Still, unless you are playing through an impedance adapter (which will change the frequency response of your headphones/earphones) or through a poor quality extension cable or TRS adapter, I cannot see a good reason why HIM should have more noise.
Ath e40- when i connect without adapter, loud enough, okayish sound.. Just like any other device..
There was this one time the high impedance mode got activated by mistake, mustve been a glitch! but my god the sound !! - more punch, more soundstage , even minute details audible , more dynamic!! way more louder! Then i searched around and found a way to trigger it everytime by using ath cable extention and sennhieser hd 598 , then unplug senn without unplugging the cable And then connecting e40.
This time i could hear the hiss.. Whenever i plug the earphones only, theres no hiss, and quality is okay.. even though the hifi option is on. i guess it just uses the snapdragon dac or whatever.
to summarize-
if i connect the cable first and then e 40 - sound is louder and okay.
only e 40- sound is okay.
senn and then e40 (to enter high impedance mode,probably uses the quad dac for real this time)- sound is amazing!!!! but with hiss...
I've only used the stock music player uptil now.
now i use uapp- it still gives me the hiss when high impedance is on. otherwise the sound is a bit better than stock music player.
Hello all,
So I'm going through an "audio quality" phase and I've bought a bunch of crap to make music sound better. I bought a T-Mobile V30 off of craigslist for $130 today, and I am planning on using it as an audio playback device in my car, and pretty much just keep it in my glove box. I have a BMW M5 with a Bang and Olufsen sound system (sounds is incredible) and I usually use my iPhone 11 to either stream via bluetooth or stream via USB using Amazon Music HD. I read fantastic things about this phone (tried to root it and just gave up lol) and I didn't expect streaming via USB cable would be such a hassle.
As I mentioned, streaming on an iPhone 11 via lighting USB cable works great, I am able to control the music using the steering wheel instead of fiddling with the phone itself.
Any suggestions of how to stream via USB to your car with the LG V30? I've done some searching around and it's just people arguing LOL. Again, I'm just trying to keep my steering wheel controls while enjoying high fidelity music
Thank you all in advance!
What makes the V30 a great music source is its high-end ESS Sabre DAC, used when you plug headphones into the 3.5mm port and enable Quad DAC in settings. It is superb, and can drive all but the most demanding headphones.
It can drive external speakers as well through a receiver or amp, but often sounds a bit thin in such setups. It really was made for headphones/IEMs.
When playing through USB, you're sending digital audio out of the phone, relying on an external DAC (in this case your car's audio system) and not using the ESS DAC. I've tried to do this in my Mazda with Bose audio, but not been able to make it work. I know iPhones work doing the same.
Bluetooth works (controlled from steering wheel) but will be lower quality than USB.
I think most high-end car audio systems were designed with the thinking that only poor people use Androids, so no need to bother with them. The marketing people who make these decisions are generally not the sharpest knives in the shed, you know :cyclops:
I appreciate the thorough response! Yeah I’ve only read good things about the phone, I have hd650s that sound meh because of the impedance but might get a portable external amp for the phone. Also this LG off of a 5ghz /connection downloaded 110gb of music 10x faster than my iPhone 11. I stayed up till 4am trying to root it, I’m not going to give up on the USB playback, I’m an optimist like that LOL
And talk about marketing, ironically amazon music partnered up with BMW and the car and app both give you a notification that it’s fully supported. I have nothing but time these days, if I find anything different I will update the thread.
Thanks again The Dannemand!
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I appreciate the thorough response! Yeah I’ve only read good things about the phone, I have hd650s that sound meh because of the impedance but might get a portable external amp for the phone. Also this LG off of a 5ghz /connection downloaded 110gb of music 10x faster than my iPhone 11. I stayed up till 4am trying to root it, I’m not going to give up on the USB playback, I’m an optimist like that LOL
And talk about marketing, ironically amazon music partnered up with BMW and the car and app both give you a notification that it’s fully supported. I have nothing but time these days, if I find anything different I will update the thread.
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Yes, please, I'll be very interested to hear if you succeed in playing USB audio through your BMW's audio system (nice car BTW )
First thing you want is probably get UAPP from the play store, if you haven't already. It's $8 you can't afford to save. It is both excellent at playing through external USB DACs (what it was made for originally) but also has dedicated support for the Quad DAC, maximizing quality through the 3.5mm port. It is one of only two apps that avoid molesting 16/44 music (CD quality), the other being Neutron. PowerAmp, while popular with many, CAN do it too, but only if you continually tweak its settings to match the exact sample rate of each track you're playing. At least last I checked.
Amazon Music HD does NOT work with our LG phones. It re-samples everything to 48KHz -- although it does a better job of it than the Android Mixer. But that won't matter in your case if Amazon Music can send music unmolested through USB. I don't know that.
As for the HD650, I never tried them myself, although several members comment on their use with V30 in the head-fi V30 thread. If you haven't already, make sure you also check the head-fi V30 Music apps, tricks and tips thread.
With ~100dB sensitivity the HD650 SHOULD theoretically be OK with V30. At 300 Ohm they will trigger High Impedance Mode (of course) with a max output of 2Vrms. They should definitely play loud enough. But maybe the low end gets a bit thin, depending on your preference and type of music. The ESS Sabre DAC used by LG is on the bright and analytical side, definitely not a bass head kind of DAC. An external headphone amp will help, for sure, although you may be better off then with a combined DAC/amp in that case.
Sorry for the lengthy post. I should get on with my work
Edit: To clarify, if my phone's USB mode is set to File Transfer, I can of course play files stored on its internal storage through my car's audio system -- and control it through the steering wheel buttons -- because it is simply using the phone as if it were a USB flash drive. But I don't think that's what you were looking for, since it won't support streaming.
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Yes, please, I'll be very interested to hear if you succeed in playing USB audio through your BMW's audio system (nice car BTW )
First thing you want is probably get UAPP from the play store, if you haven't already. It's $8 you can't afford to save. It is both excellent at playing through external USB DACs (what it was made for originally) but also has dedicated support for the Quad DAC, maximizing quality through the 3.5mm port. It is one of only two apps that avoid molesting 16/44 music (CD quality), the other being Neutron. PowerAmp, while popular with many, CAN do it too, but only if you continually tweak its settings to match the exact sample rate of each track you're playing. At least last I checked.
Amazon Music HD does NOT work with our LG phones. It re-samples everything to 48KHz -- although it does a better job of it than the Android Mixer. But that won't matter in your case if Amazon Music can send music unmolested through USB. I don't know that.
As for the HD650, I never tried them myself, although several members comment on their use with V30 in the head-fi V30 thread. If you haven't already, make sure you also check the head-fi V30 Music apps, tricks and tips thread.
With ~100dB sensitivity the HD650 SHOULD theoretically be OK with V30. At 300 Ohm they will trigger High Impedance Mode (of course) with a max output of 2Vrms. They should definitely play loud enough. But maybe the low end gets a bit thin, depending on your preference and type of music. The ESS Sabre DAC used by LG is on the bright and analytical side, definitely not a bass head kind of DAC. An external headphone amp will help, for sure, although you may be better off then with a combined DAC/amp in that case.
Sorry for the lengthy post. I should get on with my work
Edit: To clarify, if my phone's USB mode is set to File Transfer, I can of course play files stored on its internal storage through my car's audio system -- and control it through the steering wheel buttons -- because it is simply using the phone as if it were a USB flash drive. But I don't think that's what you were looking for, since it won't support streaming.
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Not at all, thank you so much for the help! You've answered all my questions and more!! Saved me a lot of google time!!
Stay Safe!