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Is there a working camera fix (mod) that will allow for changing compression settings in the camera as well as reduce the image processing which results in detail loss :?
I just bought the device and would love to be able to take better images - and I feel that this loss of details can be avoided. images at 5mpx should not be 500kb in any case and the details even on older devices with lower mpx show more details.
Maybe if there is a working fix people can also post sample shots to see how it really works. (ICS or GB)
Plus this mod could also be implemented in other roms later on so that more people can benefit.
Thanks
Take a look at this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24147607
iONEx said:
Take a look at this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24147607
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Just read through the entire thread + all the linked threads to that ...
as it seems compression is not the problem here ...
the camera drivers need to be altered or drivers from a better image producing device to be ported....
anyone has a progress on that :?
wbgenetic said:
Just read through the entire thread + all the linked threads to that ...
as it seems compression is not the problem here ...
the camera drivers need to be altered or drivers from a better image producing device to be ported....
anyone has a progress on that :?
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I don't know much but I think the drivers are proprietary and cannot be edited.
I guess we should wait for Sony to release the ICS update, maybe the camera will get better
Hope something could be adapted from another device even - better adapted to make good photos. Fingers crossed
Anyone tried updating to ICS? The camera quality has been improved. Now the image size is ~2mb i guess
Forget about driver replacing: if i understand correctly you mixed old methods for phones (for example K790i on platform db2020 etc.): changing acoustic, display, camera drivers. I just tryed all of this by myself in the past ^_^ In android smartphones there is only way to improve quality - change camera's APK file Because drivers for internal absolutelly incompatible between different devices. You can find everything you need on Apps section of our subforum
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Forget about driver replacing: if i understand correctly you mixed old methods for phones (for example K790i on platform db2020 etc.): changing acoustic, display, camera drivers. I just tryed all of this by myself in the past ^_^ In android smartphones there is only way to improve quality - change camera's APK file Because drivers for internal absolutelly incompatible between different devices. You can find everything you need on Apps section of our subforum
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so what are you suggesting ... : ?
how do we lose the over agressive post process sharpening etc ?
wbgenetic said:
so what are you suggesting ... : ?
how do we lose the over agressive post process sharpening etc ?
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we could, if best developers would focus on this, not new kernels and roms
but it seems no one is willing to focus on camera quality ;( i miss old days whan i had k750/w810
It may be possible to improve the photo quality output of the SK17, but I don't think it's going to do as well as some previous generation camera phones just due to the physics of it all.
If you take a look at the lens used on the SK17 vs. iPhone or even the X10 Mini Pro, you'll find the lens is smaller, as well as the aperture ect... This means a smaller image sensor which ultimately means lower PQ.
The only way it could match larger lenses would be if they had used more advanced image sensor technology such as EXMOR to improve sensor sensitivity or speed, as they did in the Xperia Ray. Unfortunately they didn't use this technology in the SK17 series of phones.
I'm hoping up coming newer versions of the phone will make use of both a larger lens as well as advanced sensor technology.
If you use a camera app. such as 360 camera, you can defeat the compression, but the pictures don't really look much better to me. The negligible improvement in PQ may be the reason why Sony implemented this level of compression in the first place, since the lens isn't able to deliver.
Mike
panamamike said:
It may be possible to improve the photo quality output of the SK17, but I don't think it's going to do as well as some previous generation camera phones just due to the physics of it all.
If you take a look at the lens used on the SK17 vs. iPhone or even the X10 Mini Pro, you'll find the lens is smaller, as well as the aperture ect... This means a smaller image sensor which ultimately means lower PQ.
The only way it could match larger lenses would be if they had used more advanced image sensor technology such as EXMOR to improve sensor sensitivity or speed, as they did in the Xperia Ray. Unfortunately they didn't use this technology in the SK17 series of phones.
I'm hoping up coming newer versions of the phone will make use of both a larger lens as well as advanced sensor technology.
If you use a camera app. such as 360 camera, you can defeat the compression, but the pictures don't really look much better to me. The negligible improvement in PQ may be the reason why Sony implemented this level of compression in the first place, since the lens isn't able to deliver.
Mike
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I partially agree with the sensor being small - hence output suffering quality - however I've had a nokia e50 long time ago with an even smaller lens at 1.3mpx which produced similar images (well sometimes) in terms of quality. I would be interested to see how the device performs without the crazy compression settings ... I have my feelings that output will improve vastly.
Btw on GB with camera ICS+ the images were very good actually - even though I wish they were not as compressed as they are - nothing else.
Kriomag said:
we could, if best developers would focus on this, not new kernels and roms
but it seems no one is willing to focus on camera quality ;( i miss old days whan i had k750/w810
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I was using your 21.93 driver for my W810 and I believe you can do with camera everything you like, so get off your butt and start an investigation
ICS camera is much better for taking photos.. but when it comes to video camera, overall OS speed and experience.. ICS SUCKS!
any one got solution for improving stills quality in xperia mini/pro?
try this, the compression is reduced a bit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1935982
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try this, the compression is reduced a bit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1935982
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ya m currently using that mod but still m not happy with the results.. i think its the camera lens and sensor sony used in xperia mini/pro
The z3V camera is disappointing to me. The Sony pixel interpolation software leaves a lot to be desired. A close up of a 20MP photo in sunlight reveals terrible cluster shadows and jaggies. Everyone knows (or should) that a 1/2.3" sensor cannot physically hold 20MP. (More like about 8.2.) Even when the size is set to 8 MP it looks terrible.
I've helped port some Canon P&S cameras on the CHDK forums years back. We got them to do focus and meter bracketing, added manual focusing, intervalometer, manual iso settings, etc, which were not options offered on any pocket camera back then. We also got them to save files uncompressed and untouched by software as .tiff files. The raw files show the true sensor size in the exif data, and allow post processing software of your choice. They come out far superior to what any in-camera software does.
Can someone add the ability to save photos taken by the z3V as .tiff or raw files? Currently I use Camera VF-5 which gives a decent UI and a few manual controls. But there are some manual controls missing -in other words, the z3V doesn't have the hardware to support all of the functions the app can. Seems the only thing this camera has going for it as far as bragging rights is the 20MP capability, and is not even that good.
Bump for another try...
Well in lollipop there is raw support. Sony needs to add it via a update. Which they are currently asking if users want
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I've read that Sony is asking that since posting this. But I also read that many many phones are not working with RAW, as in Lollipop uses code that the markets need to release compatible firmware to make use of it?
I just combed through a year long thread of exhausting work done by devs on this and their site got shut down because someone said it was malware.
Stay put, you should see the attachment in my latest thread that I have of the Z3v.
...Staying put, but checking in several times daily...
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...Staying put, but checking in several times daily...
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If you look at his official lollipop at the end of January post.. His first post the opening ones has 2 attachments. He has the z5 camera on his z3v with a much bigger expansion of options for the camera.
If do a Google for "Z5 camera apk" you will find the port and that it is buggy still.
The z5 camera itself doesn't support RAW files. AFAK Sony hasn't implemented it yet.
I personally like the ui of the older camera that's on the z3V. I installed the z5 last week and the ui is awful. Everything that the current z3V camera has worked fine. But no RAW without some writing it in somehow I guess.
I have to assume (hope) that's what GigaSPX is working on.
I believe that, because of the hardware, the z3 camera is capable of producing fantastic RAW files for manual post editing. The in-device software crunches the photo to hell and back.
I just tried to find out how many pixels are on this sensor, and there are indeed 20.3MP. (So my initial post in this thread is all wrong in that regard...).
But the sensor size means the pixels are extremely small and light becomes a real problem.
According to Techspot, The iPhone 6 8MP sensors individual pixels are capable of processing 88% more light than those of the Sony z3 sensor. The iPhone 6 sensor is smaller than the Z3V sensor, but the individual pixel size is much larger.
Sure, when you try to supersize the iPhone photo you'll start to see individual pixels, but when you supersize the Sony picture you see patches of pixels muddled together. Somehow it's even worse.
The ability to capture in DNG will be a refreshing compromise for a limited piece of hardware that is on the higher end of the phone spectrum.
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The z5 camera itself doesn't support RAW files. AFAK Sony hasn't implemented it yet.
I personally like the ui of the older camera that's on the z3V. I installed the z5 last week and the ui is awful. Everything that the current z3V camera has worked fine. But no RAW without some writing it in somehow I guess.
I have to assume (hope) that's what GigaSPX is working on.
I believe that, because of the hardware, the z3 camera is capable of producing fantastic RAW files for manual post editing. The in-device software crunches the photo to hell and back.
I just tried to find out how many pixels are on this sensor, and there are indeed 20.3MP. (So my initial post in this thread is all wrong in that regard...).
But the sensor size means the pixels are extremely small and light becomes a real problem.
According to Techspot, The iPhone 6 8MP sensors individual pixels are capable of processing 88% more light than those of the Sony z3 sensor. The iPhone 6 sensor is smaller than the Z3V sensor, but the individual pixel size is much larger.
Sure, when you try to supersize the iPhone photo you'll start to see individual pixels, but when you supersize the Sony picture you see patches of pixels muddled together. Somehow it's even worse.
The ability to capture in DNG will be a refreshing compromise for a limited piece of hardware that is on the higher end of the phone spectrum.
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I was surprised my other thread was locked out due to it going off topic before I could say something to bring it back to being on topic again. Here was what I wanted to reply to everyone in regards to the assumptions:
I appreciate all your guys support, but I've never once admitted to being a developer. I'm currently a 5th year senior finishing my bachelors in business and busy running part of the family business that's in no way related to development. I'd definitely love to learn but I'd definitely consider later on in the year. For now, I just help out with other users who share their time in making the most use out of the Z3v. :highfive:
Oh and there isn't RAW support since it really is up to Sony to add that on there.
And to @1linuxfreak:
Although I'm no dev, I've partaken in many trials of Android mods and actually a few customized ROMs from the Z3v from another user. Of those many times, I've had softbricked my phone, and broke a lot of things within my phone, such as calling. It was a frustrating day to figure out what went wrong when I can make calls, but not fully receive calls from important people that day.
As for the Z5 Camera mod made specially to be compatible for the Z3v, I am pushing that time to the end of the month in case there is an official OTA so I can bundle everything together for an easy jump to the official Lollipop. Otherwise if it's another flopped announcement, I will make the zip available.
I'll tell everyone this though, unlocking the bootloader is no easy feat. There were times that it came close, but ultimately hard bricked for Verizon warranty. This person you should thank for making his several attempts and actually got booted from Verizon's insurance is @zachariahpope .
By now we've all got a basic understanding of the LGs specs and modular design - which personally, I'm incredibly excited about - as the LG G4 camera was second to none.
But, does anyone actually know the proper specs? I presume it's 1.8 aperture etc but does anyone know the sensor size for the main camera? And, aside from the dual camera wide angle setup, know how it differs from the leg G4 and whether it is much of an upgrade?
Thanks!
So well know that MIUI has a decent camera app and it works really great. But as it's a closed source app,**it's not possible to port for AOSP/LOS.
Now my question is,**Is Snapdragon camera a better alternative for MIUI stock camera ?
Though enabling camera api2 on snapdragon camera gives FC. And I didn't found any long exposer or full manual control**on Snapdragon camera.
Actually I wanna run AOSP but again I need a good camera.
So what should I do now ?
rhrokib said:
So well know that MIUI has a decent camera app and it works really great. But as it's a closed source app,**it's not possible to port for AOSP/LOS.
Now my question is,**Is Snapdragon camera a better alternative for MIUI stock camera ?
Though enabling camera api2 on snapdragon camera gives FC. And I didn't found any long exposer or full manual control**on Snapdragon camera.
Actually I wanna run AOSP but again I need a good camera.
So what should I do now ?
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Change phone lol
There is no solution
Philb90 said:
Change phone lol
There is no solution
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I can't afford ?
rhrokib said:
So well know that MIUI has a decent camera app and it works really great. But as it's a closed source app,**it's not possible to port for AOSP/LOS.
Now my question is,**Is Snapdragon camera a better alternative for MIUI stock camera ?
Though enabling camera api2 on snapdragon camera gives FC. And I didn't found any long exposer or full manual control**on Snapdragon camera.
Actually I wanna run AOSP but again I need a good camera.
So what should I do now ?
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-5/development/app-t3529722
Works for me on both camera api v1 and v2...
Im interested in the comparison between miui cam app and the above camera app
i see people complaining that no camera is better than stock camera.. but for me stock camera is quite bad? aosp or snapdragon camera from above work wayy better
I overall prefer MIUI camera. It has clean interface with balanced features without much of any cons. Everything works well.
But for normal pictures Snapdragon Camera is good enough, may be even a bit better than MIUI or may be not (never properly compared). It is more or less on par with MIUI. However, one think I noted is that Snapdragon Camera v3 apk that is found here in a XDA thread for snapdragon camera...has some trouble with macro focus.....generally it works fine...but it had trouble focusing certain objects like a decorative fake flower in my house. It doesn't always perform bad in macro focusing. But the Snapdragon Camera that is the stock cameras in lineage OS, RR, Slim Rom (IIRC), AOSP rom (IIRC), works perfectly in that area....no issue focusing. However that camera again have a bug which is that preview pictures appears in portrait. Not a big deal but a bit annoying. Also many 3rd party cameras I found to be working fine in general situations but pictures with flash was not totally fine. But you find more manual control and ways to capture better non-flash pictures using certain 3rd party cameras. Snapdragon Cameras worked fine with flash. In case of videos, I don't know which is better...I am not much of a video person...just need something decent and snapdragon videos looked decent. But I found that the audio recording in the videos recorded from Snapdragon Camera were a bit low. But the audio was distinctively better in Footej Camera...(It may be better in other 3rd party cameras too).
I couldn't get HDR to work as good as in MIUI camera (though I haven't really investigated much in that area).
Snapdragon Camera HDR works but pictures appears a bit too bright for my taste.
And camera 2 works fine for me with snapdragon and other 3rd party cameras.
Using latest developer and stable Miui rom, I can say that stock camera performs better.
Snapdragon camera is awesome, I'm talking of the 3.0 release, you can tweaks a lots of parameters, but most of them still in Miui rom and probably in AOSP do not work properly.
Try for example the auto HDR, does not work well.
I've made a comparative of the same picture taken by those two camera, and stock Miui is better.
It's not a big deal, but it's clearly visible.
JRC1995 said:
I overall prefer MIUI camera. It has clean interface with balanced features without much of any cons. Everything works well.
But for normal pictures Snapdragon Camera is good enough, may be even a bit better than MIUI or may be not (never properly compared). It is more or less on par with MIUI. However, one think I noted is that Snapdragon Camera v3 apk that is found here in a XDA thread for snapdragon camera...has some trouble with macro focus.....generally it works fine...but it had trouble focusing certain objects like a decorative fake flower in my house. It doesn't always perform bad in macro focusing. But the Snapdragon Camera that is the stock cameras in lineage OS, RR, Slim Rom (IIRC), AOSP rom (IIRC), works perfectly in that area....no issue focusing. However that camera again have a bug which is that preview pictures appears in portrait. Not a big deal but a bit annoying. Also many 3rd party cameras I found to be working fine in general situations but pictures with flash was not totally fine. But you find more manual control and ways to capture better non-flash pictures using certain 3rd party cameras. Snapdragon Cameras worked fine with flash. In case of videos, I don't know which is better...I am not much of a video person...just need something decent and snapdragon videos looked decent. But I found that the audio recording in the videos recorded from Snapdragon Camera were a bit low. But the audio was distinctive better in Footej Camera...(It may be better in other 3rd party cameras too).
I couldn't get HDR to work as good as in MIUI camera (though I haven't really investigated much in that area).
Snapdragon Camera HDR works but pictures appears a bit too bright for my taste.
And camera 2 works fine for me with snapdragon and other 3rd party cameras.
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Manual Camera gives FC for me. Changed several rom but the result is same.
Camera on LOS/AOSP is good enough but those has more compression than stock.
Again stock has much noise reduction. It helps in low light.
rhrokib said:
Manual Camera gives FC for me. Changed several rom but the result is same.
Camera on LOS/AOSP is good enough but those has more compression than stock.
Again stock has much noise reduction. It helps in low light.
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set picture quality to high
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set picture quality to high
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Setting picture quality to 100% is well on good lighting conditions. But in low light there's so many noise.
I think 90% quality is standard.
rhrokib said:
Manual Camera gives FC for me. Changed several rom but the result is same.
Camera on LOS/AOSP is good enough but those has more compression than stock.
Again stock has much noise reduction. It helps in low light.
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Hmm IIRC, Manual Camera worked for me in most of the roms I tried.
Note: I think only recent miui dev versions (I can only speak for the 7.3.3.0 Xiaomi.eu) and Lineage OS (March 28 and the April (1 or 4 don't remember...are the only versions I have tried so I can't speak for other versions) have camera2api enabled by default. And if I am not wrong the latest RR is in that group too. At the very least I am pretty sure manual camera worked on March 28 Lineage OS version. And in roms which didn't support camera 2 by default, I could edit the build props and apparently some camera 2 api features were enabled in some apps (like manual camera compatibility test was passed, footej camera started showing iso and exposure time all of which wasn't happening before editing the build props). If you are on Lineage OS I don't know why manual camera isn't working for you.
While I haven't made any side by side comparisons, from my testing it didn't seem that the snapdragon camera (the stock version in Lineage OS and RR) were much more noisy compared to miui camera, when noise reduction is on (which is on by default anyway). Only I found that miui camera can make less noisy pictures in low light using HHT (I don't remember a good equivalent to that in snapdragon camera) but that also kind of softened the image. Sometimes I feel that in fact snapdragon camera might be slightly noisy but also sharper and more detailed compared to miui in low light. ..but I can't guarantee anything and I doubt these can be some form of placebo. Also if I am not wrong the stock snapdragon camera in LOS, RR lacked manual ISO, shutter speed control. While those options are available in other 3rd part cameras, all of them had problem with some macro focusing and flash again so I had to keep a lot of camera apps for different situations.
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Hmm IIRC, Manual Camera worked for me in most of the roms I tried.
Note: I think only recent miui dev versions (I can only speak for the 7.3.3.0 Xiaomi.eu) and Lineage OS (March 28 and the April (1 or 4 don't remember...are the only versions I have tried so I can't speak for other versions) have camera2api enabled by default. And if I am not wrong the latest RR is in that group too. At the very least I am pretty sure manual camera worked on March 28 Lineage OS version. And in roms which didn't support camera 2 by default, I could edit the build props and apparently some camera 2 api features were enabled in some apps (like manual camera compatibility test was passed, footej camera started showing iso and exposure time all of which wasn't happening before editing the build props). If you are on Lineage OS I don't know why manual camera isn't working for you.
While I haven't made any side by side comparisons, from my testing it didn't seem that the snapdragon camera (the stock version in Lineage OS and RR) were much more noisy compared to miui camera, when noise reduction is on (which is on by default anyway). Only I found that miui camera can make less noisy pictures in low light using HHT (I don't remember a good equivalent to that in snapdragon camera) but that also kind of softened the image. Sometimes I feel that in fact snapdragon camera might be slightly noisy but also sharper and more detailed compared to miui in low light. ..but I can't guarantee anything and I doubt these can be some form of placebo. Also if I am not wrong the stock snapdragon camera in LOS, RR lacked manual ISO, shutter speed control. While those options are available in other 3rd part cameras, all of them had problem with some macro focusing and flash again so I had to keep a lot of camera apps for different situations.
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Thanks for such a reply.
Actually I tried almost all the popular ROM like LOS/RR/ASOP/AICP and Xiaomi.eu as well.
For my case Manual camera capabilities test is passed. Then I install Manual Camera and it works well. But when I press the shutter button it keeps Forced Stopping. Every single time in every single rom.
I even tried editing build.prop and the result is same. As a bonus I get front camera flipped as others.
For me Open Camera does the job well with all the controls and shooting RAW. The RAW isn't nearly good as compared to other camera api2 supported devices. Even after editing with Lightroom it doesn't look that much better as it should be.
So finally I gave up and trying to be happy with Stock Camera app.
I just wish Xiaomi will add camera api2 on MIUI9 as IMX298 is capable of it and many more.
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rhrokib said:
Thanks for such a reply.
Actually I tried almost all the popular ROM like LOS/RR/ASOP/AICP and Xiaomi.eu as well.
For my case Manual camera capabilities test is passed. Then I install Manual Camera and it works well. But when I press the shutter button it keeps Forced Stopping. Every single time in every single rom.
I even tried editing build.prop and the result is same. As a bonus I get front camera flipped as others.
For me Open Camera does the job well with all the controls and shooting RAW. The RAW isn't nearly good as compared to other camera api2 supported devices. Even after editing with Lightroom it doesn't look that much better as it should be.
So finally I gave up and trying to be happy with Stock Camera app.
I just wish Xiaomi will add camera api2 on MIUI9 as IMX298 is capable of it and many more.
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I really have no idea why it's force closing for you. In OP you mentioned that even snap camera force closed on camera 2...that's strange too...especially when the newer Lineage OS roms supposedly have camera2 by default.
I still might have been mistaken in saying that manual camera worked for me, because I was trying lot of things in a short time....so I could have been confused about it...so just now, I again installed manual camera and took pictures with it.
Worked just fine. And right now I am in an 8.1.6.0 Xiaoum.eu (MM version not even the newer one. I enabled camera 2 by editing build props in this version i.e it wasn't even officially enabled yet still even in this rom manual camera worked).
Also, I just noticed your OP is old (13th March)...actually I got my MI 5 quite recently so I don't know but I think the camera 2 feature was being enabled in Lineage OS and RR recently (after 20th march or something, I am not sure.....in the Lineage OS thread, I think the dev mentioned about enabling camera 2 support around that time (I may be wrong about the time) and it's possible then Xiaomi enabled camera 2 by default only in recent developer (beta) roms.....so may be it had troubles in older ROMs, I don't know. Camera2api may still be not there in latest global (or china) stable...
Regardless I am still able to use manual camera in my MM Xiaomi.eu with edited build prop.
In the end I still just use the miui stock camera for now, not being any expert in camera department; I don't find much need for manual camera...I am more or less satisfied (improvements are always welcome, of course) with miui stock camera along with its auto HDR, HHT and manual controls. Never tested RAW though.
PS: For manual controls you may also try pro shot.
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I really have no idea why it's force closing for you. In OP you mentioned that even snap camera force closed on camera 2...that's strange too...especially when the newer Lineage OS roms supposedly have camera2 by default.
I still might have been mistaken in saying that manual camera worked for me, because I was trying lot of things in a short time....so I could have been confused about it...so just now, I again installed manual camera and took pictures with it.
Worked just fine. And right now I am in an 8.1.6.0 Xiaoum.eu (MM version not even the newer one. I enabled camera 2 by editing build props in this version i.e it wasn't even officially enabled yet still even in this rom manual camera worked).
Also, I just noticed your OP is old (13th March)...actually I got my MI 5 quite recently so I don't know but I think the camera 2 feature was being enabled in Lineage OS and RR recently (after 20th march or something, I am not sure.....in the Lineage OS thread, I think the dev mentioned about enabling camera 2 support around that time (I may be wrong about the time) and it's possible then Xiaomi enabled camera 2 by default only in recent developer (beta) roms.....so may be it had troubles in older ROMs, I don't know. Camera2api may still be not there in latest global (or china) stable...
Regardless I am still able to use manual camera in my MM Xiaomi.eu with edited build prop.
In the end I still just use the miui stock camera for now, not being any expert in camera department; I don't find much need for manual camera...I am more or less satisfied (improvements are always welcome, of course) with miui stock camera along with its auto HDR, HHT and manual controls. Never tested RAW though.
PS: For manual controls you may also try pro shot.
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I have all most all the camera app.
Maybe I have a bad luck. Cus I was on RR on previous week.(latest version) Camera api2 was enabled and wroks fine with Open Camera and ProShot. The only problem is the Manual camera.( Probably to best handy camera.)
Used it on my Nexus 5 and it was amazing.
And Now I'm on MIUI 8.3 Beta (7.4.6) by xiaomi.eu
I update as soon as it appears. Always had the same problem. My variant is Mi5 3/64 White.
Anyway, Thanks for your replies.
rhrokib said:
I have all most all the camera app.
Maybe I have a bad luck. Cus I was on RR on previous week.(latest version) Camera api2 was enabled and wroks fine with Open Camera and ProShot. The only problem is the Manual camera.( Probably to best handy camera.)
Used it on my Nexus 5 and it was amazing.
And Now I'm on MIUI 8.3 Beta (7.4.6) by xiaomi.eu
I update as soon as it appears. Always had the same problem. My variant is Mi5 3/64 White.
Anyway, Thanks for your replies.
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I also have the same variant.
Hi All
I just picked up the Oppo 10x zoom for a very decent price. Hadn't been specifically considering it but wanted a good, flexible camera and everything else is so expensive now. I knew that the phone didn't support saving RAW files in the camera app but thought it was worth the trade off given its low price. I'm coming from an LG G6.
I've installed Gcam and this does seem to provide RAW with the main lens, but to get the wide and telephoto lenses would require me to root, which I am not prepared to do (and even then I don't know if there are any configs that would allow using them anyway). I should say that I am not 100% sure this is true raw, although it saved as a .dng file.
I assume that Oppo doesn't intend to add this feature in the future because they would already have done so. But, I thought it might be worth asking: does anyone know if they might? I presume this hasn't been added with ColorOS 7? (I believe that the Find X2 Pro supports RAW for example).
Many thanks and hope everyone is doing well in this strange times.
Charley
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Hi All
I just picked up the Oppo 10x zoom for a very decent price. Hadn't been specifically considering it but wanted a good, flexible camera and everything else is so expensive now. I knew that the phone didn't support saving RAW files in the camera app but thought it was worth the trade off given its low price. I'm coming from an LG G6.
I've installed Gcam and this does seem to provide RAW with the main lens, but to get the wide and telephoto lenses would require me to root, which I am not prepared to do (and even then I don't know if there are any configs that would allow using them anyway). I should say that I am not 100% sure this is true raw, although it saved as a .dng file.
I assume that Oppo doesn't intend to add this feature in the future because they would already have done so. But, I thought it might be worth asking: does anyone know if they might? I presume this hasn't been added with ColorOS 7? (I believe that the Find X2 Pro supports RAW for example).
Many thanks and hope everyone is doing well in this strange times.
Charley
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With the 10xz being capable of RAW photography, I can't see any reason why Oppo don't implement it in their camera software as it is using camera2.api
It's a bit embarrassing that the awful GCam supports it and Oppo camera doesn't. If it did, it would certainly make it one the the best Android camera systems
moozer said:
With the 10xz being capable of RAW photography, I can't see any reason why Oppo don't implement it in their camera software as it is using camera2.api
It's a bit embarrassing that the awful GCam supports it and Oppo camera doesn't. If it did, it would certainly make it one the the best Android camera systems
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I can understand why Oppo might want to limit RAW support to the 'Expert' mode, but there doesn't seem to be a good reason to not allow it at all. Especially given the photo-focused nature of the camera. I know that RAW files out of phones can sometimes look really bad because the phone makes so many changes to the image data from the sensor when it creates the final jpeg. But I am prepared to make those adjustments myself.
I updated to the c.27 ColorOS 7 update last night and they have made some nice layout changes to the camera app - I am particularly pleased with the move to a 5x rather than a 6x zoom step. So, they are still investing some time in supporting the 10x Zoom.
On GCam, the RAW file produced is not recognised by my desktop editing programme, DXO Photolab 3, but Snapseed on the phone does seem to recognise it as a proper .dng RAW file. Regardless, I would have thought OPPO itself could enable RAW properly - perhaps include it with an update to allow video recording from all three lenses (which again must be technically possible because it can be done in the developer debugging mode).
For what it's worth I contacted Oppo UK to ask about adding RAW file support to the 10x Zoom. They replied really quickly, which was good. They said they would feed this back to relevant people, which is all one can expect. But I think it's worth giving the feedback anyway.
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For what it's worth I contacted Oppo UK to ask about adding RAW file support to the 10x Zoom. They replied really quickly, which was good. They said they would feed this back to relevant people, which is all one can expect. But I think it's worth giving the feedback anyway.
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It's a step.
Yep.
I've been doing some more experimenting with the RAW files. An easier way to get a .DNG file is to use Open Camera (or a number of others do the same thing) - this doesn't require installing from a .APK like GCam.
Snapseed seems to see these as true RAW files and the ones from Open Camera are the a much larger file size than the jpegs (~22mb). I've tried editing a couple and they do seem to give the kind of latitude I would expect with a RAW file (given its a phone sensor). Again only with the main camera. This is of some use if you want to do things like B&W conversions as this should be better quality going from RAW to a B&W jpeg then using the camera's B&W filter or converting a colour jpeg to B&W. It might also be useful if you want to bring out the shadows or try and save highlights, I would expect results to be slightly better than the phone's auto settings. But, this may not be by much, and may not be worth the hassle of RAW. What's probably more useful is tweaking the image's colours and sharpness to suite your taste for important photographs.
What I am not clear on:
The .DNG files are not recognised by DXO Labs 3 - which they should be if they were true .DNG files. I've even tried converting them with Adobe's DNG converter, but still no luck. This makes me suspicious.
The .DNG files are saved as 12mp files, so they have been through the pixel binning process. I don't know when Oppo applies the conversion from pixel-binned file to jpeg. If it goes 48mp RAW -> 48mp jpeg -> pixel binned 12mp jpeg, then these can't be true RAW files. If it's 48mp RAW -> 12mp pixel-binned RAW -> 12mp jpeg, they could be.
It is frustrating though that the tele and wide sensors are not available to the Camera2 API. Especially as I think the Oppo Find X2 Pro's telephoto sensor is the same as the 10x zoom's and does allow RAW.
I'll continue to play around and put any significant finds in this thread.
I managed to make RAW photos with FreeDCam. - https://f-droid.org/en/packages/troop.com.freedcam/
FreeDCam seems to support all 4 cameras, so you can also make raw photos with the telephoto lens for example.
Unfortunately I did not managed to take photos with 48M pixels, yet.
It is opensource, so maybe 48M pixel support could be added. Unfortunately, again, I do not have time to do so right now...