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Hi all, I posted this in another Tab 10.1 forum at www.thegalaxytabforum.com but I am also posting this question and concern here to see who else has this problem/concern and if it can be fixed.
I am having an ergonomic problem with this Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 sleek slim design!
While holding the tablet as one intuitively would and trying to type or do touch screen motions I find that the palm areas of my hands always touch the "page back" arrow button at the lower left edge of the screen (on the bottom task bar) and causes it to exit out of the page I am working on. Same goes for the lower right corner edge where the clock/settings icon opens up when my right hand palm leans up against it inadvertently.
I find that Samsung in all their wisdom of trying to make a slim sleek looking design surely messed up on this point! The tablet's screen bordering edge sure looks good, but is way too thin and too close to the active screen area at the lower corners causing one's hands and palms to easily contact those corner icons and inadvertently activate them.
Can anything be done to move those corner icons further away from the corner edges so that these sorts of false touch activations can be eliminated?
The Asus EE Transformer tablet my son has, does not have this problem because the tablet frame is wider and keeps your hand palms further away from falsely touching those corner icons.
Samsung, goofed up here. I hope my suggestion of moving the icons away from these corners can be done in a software OS update.
Your just an idiot who doesn't know how to use it. I have the exact same tablet and it works perfectly. I have no problem with the back button or anything. My brother has the Motorola xoom which has a smaller bezel all around and all be does is use that tablet. He has no problem with it at all. So it doesn't matter if you have a big or small bezel to use the tablet you just have to be smart. And obviously your not so you should just go and return it
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Your just an idiot who doesn't know how to use it. I have the exact same tablet and it works perfectly. I have no problem with the back button or anything. My brother has the Motorola xoom which has a smaller bezel all around and all be does is use that tablet. He has no problem with it at all. So it doesn't matter if you have a big or small bezel to use the tablet you just have to be smart. And obviously your not so you should just go and return it
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What a childish immature response. Totally un-helpful! I think the moderator should ban you if you keep posting like this. At least delete this totally unhelpful post of yours.
if you use the tab on a table your palm should rest on the table surface, same if you use it on your lap.
especially if you're an adult and have big hands
I use my 10.1 with one hand all the time and never run into this problem. To each their own, I suppose.
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if you use the tab on a table your palm should rest on the table surface, same if you use it on your lap.
especially if you're an adult and have big hands
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Well, I don't think my hands are that big but I do not use the tablet at a table nor in my lap looking down at it. I wanted to get a tablet because it is supposed to be light and portable and easily held in your hands to read like a book. Also if one is laying down relaxing on a sofa or in bed taking in some night time surfing whilst going to bed, then some hand holding it up with two hands is required. Sooner or later your palm is going to brush up and touch the screen inadvertently even if you are aware of this issue, the brain easily drifts off every now and then and you can forget for a moment to keep your hands away from the touch screen.
I guarantee you not everyone is going to always use the tablet on a flat table surface or always in their laps. There will be some hand holding positions folks will be using it in.
anyone know if the galaxy note stylus would work on the amaze? or just another phone in general? or do you think its somehow "programmed" or made to work just with the note. was looking at stylus and every one of them are huge lol, like incipios and others. I think it would be cool to use it for some apps.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe phones/displays that use a stylus utilize a different kind of display, and the note I believe is like dou hybrid or something.
I am pretty sure a stylus will be useless on the amaze...unless the tip was heated? lol
I think stylus screens are based on pressure sensors in the display and the more common ones we use the sensors in the display are heat based...or something.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe phones/displays that use a stylus utilize a different kind of display, and the note I believe is like dou hybrid or something.
I am pretty sure a stylus will be useless on the amaze...unless the tip was heated? lol
I think stylus screens are based on pressure sensors in the display and the more common ones we use the sensors in the display are heat based...or something.
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no, they make capacitive display stylus. look at the new galaxy tab, regular capacitive screen, with a stylus included. also look at the htc flyer, it has a stylus as well. its a special material they use on the tip. I actually have a pair of gloves that have the material that I can use in the winter with a capacitive screen. they just operate different. resistive stylus are used with pressure, and capacitive have a special material at the end that some how activates the screen as your finger would.
http://www.incipio.com/HTC-Amaze-4G-Cases-Accessories/HTC-Amaze-4G-Cases-Accessories.asp go here and youll see some capacitive stylus that are compatible with our phones but they are huge lol. that's why im interested in the notes stylus since its small. I think some apps would be fun with it, like sketchbook, etc.
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBpo7USR8I8 this is how it works
What's likely is that the stylus from these devices might work for detecting single touch events - but would not be pressure sensitive, as the phone doesn't have the special digitizer material to create the field that allows passive pressure sensitive pens (ie, look at wacom) to work. So, in other words, why bother?
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What's likely is that the stylus from these devices might work for detecting single touch events - but would not be pressure sensitive, as the phone doesn't have the special digitizer material to create the field that allows passive pressure sensitive pens (ie, look at wacom) to work. So, in other words, why bother?
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try drawing a image or words or anything in general with the sketchbook and then you tell me. some other apps would be more fun/interesting with a stylus imo. also with grease and what not, when texting its okay or just swiping around but when using apps like angry birds it would be more fun to use a stylus I think.
Capacitive stylus vs. Active Digitizer
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no, they make capacitive display stylus. look at the new galaxy tab, regular capacitive screen, with a stylus included. also look at the htc flyer, it has a stylus as well. its a special material they use on the tip. I actually have a pair of gloves that have the material that I can use in the winter with a capacitive screen. they just operate different. resistive stylus are used with pressure, and capacitive have a special material at the end that some how activates the screen as your finger would.
(link) go here and youll see some capacitive stylus that are compatible with our phones but they are huge lol. that's why im interested in the notes stylus since its small. I think some apps would be fun with it, like sketchbook, etc.
edit: (link) this is how it works
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This is not right. The galaxy note (and "new galaxy tab"/Galaxy note 10.1) uses an active digitizer similar to what you find in Wacom tablets and old school tablet pcs. The HTC Flyer and Jetstream uses a similar pen (but from a different maker HTC=Ntrig Samsung=Wacom). None of these styluses will work on another device, exept, maybe some windows 7 tablet pcs.
So, no the note s-pen will not work on your Amaze. A capacitive stylus like pogo scketch or the link above, will work just fine on most phones today, but it is hardly any better than a finger. The s-pen, however gives you a lot more presicion. I can fit more handwritten text on a 5.3 note with the s-pen, than on the 9.7 ipad with a capacitive stylus.
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This is not right. The galaxy note (and "new galaxy tab"/Galaxy note 10.1) uses an active digitizer similar to what you find in Wacom tablets and old school tablet pcs. The HTC Flyer and Jetstream uses a similar pen (but from a different maker HTC=Ntrig Samsung=Wacom). None of these styluses will work on another device, exept, maybe some windows 7 tablet pcs.
So, no the note s-pen will not work on your Amaze. A capacitive stylus like pogo scketch or the link above, will work just fine on most phones today, but it is hardly any better than a finger. The s-pen, however gives you a lot more presicion. I can fit more handwritten text on a 5.3 note with the s-pen, than on the 9.7 ipad with a capacitive stylus.
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That is correct, you can immediately tell it is not a capactive stylus by trying to press the capacitive buttons and not getting a response.
Why not just got to Best Buy / ATT and try it out to be sure
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Why not just got to Best Buy / ATT and try it out to be sure
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look up a town called rolla in Missouri and you will see why lol. closest best buy is over a hour away
Vikingpus said:
This is not right. The galaxy note (and "new galaxy tab"/Galaxy note 10.1) uses an active digitizer similar to what you find in Wacom tablets and old school tablet pcs. The HTC Flyer and Jetstream uses a similar pen (but from a different maker HTC=Ntrig Samsung=Wacom). None of these styluses will work on another device, exept, maybe some windows 7 tablet pcs.
So, no the note s-pen will not work on your Amaze. A capacitive stylus like pogo scketch or the link above, will work just fine on most phones today, but it is hardly any better than a finger. The s-pen, however gives you a lot more presicion. I can fit more handwritten text on a 5.3 note with the s-pen, than on the 9.7 ipad with a capacitive stylus.
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what exactly does it use? that was my main question pretty much, if they would work or not cause I wasn't sure if they were like a regular capacitive stylus or just something custom made. the capacitive stylus are too big to even be called a stylus
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look up a town called rolla in Missouri and you will see why lol. closest best buy is over a hour away
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Dont need to look it up, Im an STL guy myself.
Road trip
Tell you what, I have a BB right next to my work, Ill try and run over there tomorrow and check it out
dude i saw one on cvs, it suppost to work with all touch phones it cost $10 bucks thats why i didnt buy it. but it would be nice to use to play "draw something''
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what exactly does it use? that was my main question pretty much, if they would work or not cause I wasn't sure if they were like a regular capacitive stylus or just something custom made. the capacitive stylus are too big to even be called a stylus
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I think it is called electromagnetic ressonance. When you press down the tip of the s-pen it generates a magnet field or something which is registered by the phone, or something like that. In the first s-pen i had, the tip got stuck, so it would register input even when not touching the screen.
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Wacom tablets use a patented electromagnetic resonance technology. Since the tablet provides power to the pen through resonant coupling, no battery or cord is required for the pointing device. As a result, there are no batteries inside the pen (or the accompanying puck), which makes them slimmer.
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Dont need to look it up, Im an STL guy myself.
Road trip
Tell you what, I have a BB right next to my work, Ill try and run over there tomorrow and check it out
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haha nice!
gypsy214 said:
dude i saw one on cvs, it suppost to work with all touch phones it cost $10 bucks thats why i didnt buy it. but it would be nice to use to play "draw something''
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exactly, it would be fun to use with some apps but not everything lol. just like sketchbook or angry birds or draw me. since its hard as hell with your finger
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I think it is called electromagnetic ressonance. When you press down the tip of the s-pen it generates a magnet field or something which is registered by the phone, or something like that. In the first s-pen i had, the tip got stuck, so it would register input even when not touching the screen.
from wikipedia:
Wacom tablets use a patented electromagnetic resonance technology. Since the tablet provides power to the pen through resonant coupling, no battery or cord is required for the pointing device. As a result, there are no batteries inside the pen (or the accompanying puck), which makes them slimmer.
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well then wouldnt it work on all touch screens then? since all capacitive touch screens respond to static/heat, or does it give off a different type? im confused how samsung made the note lol, its interesting
edit: opps didnt multi-qoute
My Galaxy Note stylus doesn't work on Galaxy S2 or Galaxy Tab 7.7
Not even the input response. I figure they will work minus the pressure sensitivity but i was wrong. You need an active digitizer layer
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My Galaxy Note stylus doesn't work on Galaxy S2 or Galaxy Tab 7.7
Not even the input response. I figure they will work minus the pressure sensitivity but i was wrong. You need an active digitizer layer
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so the note has a special layer made for the stylus? thats cool
stylus for the note didnt work on my amaze
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stylus for the note didnt work on my amaze
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thats a shame, oh well the screen on this phone really isnt that big any ways. i could see using one on the one x or something. i think the new lg vu also has a custom stylus for it hmm
Does anyone know what materials the home button on the S6/S6 Edge are made of? Is it metal and plastic or metal and glass? I haven't encountered an article that has mentioned this. I have the option of trading in my Note 4 for an S6 Edge and one of my pet peeves with the Note 4/S5 before it is that the home button gets all these hairline scratches after a little bit of use (I've had my Note 4 since mid-October). Naturally, having a better home button would be one small thing tilting the S6 Edge as my Note 4 replacement.
Apple used to have this problem with its home button before they introduced the TouchID sensor which has a sapphire-polymer coating. Since the sensor on the S6 Edge/S6 are supposedly similar to the TouchID sensor, I wonder if Samsung extended the improved build quality of its flagships to the home button. Thanks!
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does anyone know what materials the home button on the s6/s6 edge are made of? Is it metal and plastic or metal and glass? I haven't encountered an article that has mentioned this. I have the option of trading in my note 4 for an s6 edge and one of my pet peeves with the note 4/s5 before it is that the home button gets all these hairline scratches after a little bit of use (i've had my note 4 since mid-october). Naturally, having a better home button would be one small thing tilting the s6 edge as my note 4 replacement.
Apple used to have this problem with its home button before they introduced the touchid sensor which has a sapphire-polymer coating. Since the sensor on the s6 edge/s6 are supposedly similar to the touchid sensor, i wonder if samsung extended the improved build quality of its flagships to the home button. Thanks!
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jpbl1976 said:
Does anyone know what materials the home button on the S6/S6 Edge are made of? Is it metal and plastic or metal and glass? I haven't encountered an article that has mentioned this. I have the option of trading in my Note 4 for an S6 Edge and one of my pet peeves with the Note 4/S5 before it is that the home button gets all these hairline scratches after a little bit of use (I've had my Note 4 since mid-October). Naturally, having a better home button would be one small thing tilting the S6 Edge as my Note 4 replacement.
Apple used to have this problem with its home button before they introduced the TouchID sensor which has a sapphire-polymer coating. Since the sensor on the S6 Edge/S6 are supposedly similar to the TouchID sensor, I wonder if Samsung extended the improved build quality of its flagships to the home button. Thanks!
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Yes the home button on the S6 is a different material. I've spent a lot of time with the S6 and as a Note 4 owner, the home button (hairline scratch) issue is one of the main things I was curious about as well. The home button on the S6 feels more like a hard acrylic glass....not quite sure what material it is exactly, but it is noticeably different than the Note 4.
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Yes the home button on the S6 is a different material. I've spent a lot of time with the S6 and as a Note 4 owner, the home button (hairline scratch) issue is one of the main things I was curious about as well. The home button on the S6 feels more like a hard acrylic glass....not quite sure what material it is exactly, but it is noticeably different than the Note 4.
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That's great! I guess the only way I'll really be satisfied is to play with it at the shop before I claim my pre-order.
Just wanted to report that the home button is definitely still fragile. My 6mo old Note 4 has a mint home button, but somehow in 3 days i've managed to scratch my S6e button =/
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Just wanted to report that the home button is definitely still fragile. My 6mo old Note 4 has a mint home button, but somehow in 3 days i've managed to scratch my S6e button =/
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Same here. Had the Note Edge for months, and you have to SWIPE the home button for the fingerprint reader, no real scratches of any consequence. S6, barely a few weeks old, only lightly TOUCH the home button for fingerprint reader, and scratched already. Nice big one, too.
Love my Edge - it was just delivered two days ago - but there was a mark on the button that looked like a scrape. Very small - at first it looked like adhesive that just didn't come off the packaging. I rubbed the spot gently with a soft cloth but the mark remained.
If the phone were a car, I'd describe the mark as something in the clear coat but not deeply in the paint.
Anyway I called T-Mobile the next morning - they shipped a new phone that arrives today.
Hi @All,
unfortunately there is no attachable keyboard cover for the S9 yet like there was/is for the S8. I know the camera and fingerprint scanner are different. But would it work (or did someone maybe know someone) who actually tried it and modified the keyboard cover so it works with the S9...
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Hi @All,
unfortunately there is no attachable keyboard cover for the S9 yet like there was/is for the S8. I know the camera and fingerprint scanner are different. But would it work (or did someone maybe know someone) who actually tried it and modified the keyboard cover so it works with the S9...
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Samsung EJ-CG950BBEGDE Keyboard Cover
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Would be interesting to know.
Remember that the cover-part has a (nfc?) chip and a magnet (near the power key). And also the keyboard part has a tiny magnet in the lower left.
I took one for the S6 Edge apart, and I can see that the S8 is quite similar. See this
So it is NOT just a matter of cutting a larger hole in the cover, the phablet has to be prepared for it with the suitable strategically placed magnetic sensors to detect that it is there.
For fun I have tried to use some of the non S8-variants on the S8, and could get an S8 back to react with the print part from the S6 Edge.
I also tried some of the other backs, but could not get them to work with the S8 (not even with the S8 keyboard)
But as it seems they have stopped production for Note 8 and S8, I think they unfortunately are abandoning the whole idea, so we should be damn lucky if the S9 got the correct sensors AND even in the same place as on S8
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Just had a look at the ifixit tear downs of the S8- and S9-, and it does not look promising for a total fit....
On the S8, the magnet at the back has its centre approximately 32mm from the top, and 10mm from the power-switch side.
So if I can measure correctly, the magnetic switch must be the tiny little component mounted north of the square chip with "C3 559 X791" (north of the orange square) here, but the S9 got no chip at that location AFAICS from this.
BUT the S9 does have a similar looking component closer to the vibrator, so it MIGHT be prepared for a cover...
The magnet on the key-part is about 16mm from the bottom and 13mm from the volume rocker side. Just north of the tip of the 3.5mm plug. And there IS a similar small component on the other side of the small print on both the S8- and S9-...
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Apart from the above add, note that surprisingly the keyboard with an S8 ALSO works both in Aeroplane mode and with NFC turned off, so the communication with the case must be a dedicated circuitry.
So that has to be there for the S9 too...
ADD: I just verified that the chip is on a small plate, and thus NOT with any antenna in the back plate (updated blog post linked above), so it SHOULD be possible to move that to another location, if the circuitry is placed elsewhere on the S9-
I just tried the s8 keyboard and I could put it on my s9 (snapdragon). It was a very tight and unstable fit, but when I did get it to click the phone recognized it and resized the screen accordingly. Unfortunately the keyboard below wasnt alugned with the buttons, and there was mostly no response. When it did respond I got a key registered from the row below and to the side, e.g. when pressing 't' it would sometimes register as 'f'. Any ideas on how to get this to work properly?
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I just tried the s8 keyboard and I could put it on my s9 (snapdragon). It was a very tight and unstable fit, but when I did get it to click the phone recognized it and resized the screen accordingly. Unfortunately the keyboard below wasnt alugned with the buttons, and there was mostly no response. When it did respond I got a key registered from the row below and to the side, e.g. when pressing 't' it would sometimes register as 'f'. Any ideas on how to get this to work properly?
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Very interesting that it works that much! Thanks for the info! This at the least proves that the a S9 was designed for a keyboard.
To bad about the slight misalignment though. Do you see the same displacement in all columns? I mean does a W also give an A, and a P an L? (when it does anything)
You COULD try to take the print out and see if a slight move would fix it. But there is no guarantee, as they could have changed the spacing in either direction too (perhaps squeezed in an extra column)
Why SamSung doesn't make for S9?
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Very interesting that it works that much! Thanks for the info! This at the least proves that the a S9 was designed for a keyboard.
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However, the Samsung Keyboard app, which is responsible for software support of the cover keyboard, does not have a separate kb-cover's layout for the S9 device. This app has layouts for S6, S7, S8, etc. Note 8 is the latest model supported.
Keyboard cover working in exactly the same way as the smart covers. The chip on the back of the case tells the phone the accessory ID, and the magnet on the front signals about the event - the keyboard is connected or the smart cover is closed.
This means that any Samsung smartphone that has version 3 of the Samsung Keyboard app (versions 4 and 5 no longer support cover keyboards) and can detect Samsung accessories, will work with cover keyboards, even those intended for older models. The only problem is shape of the case, I mean geometrical parameters.
1) You connect the keyboard
2) The phone recognize it via back chip + magnet
3) Samsung Keyboard app began to receive signals from it and process them
So no, most likely S9 was not designed for the separate keyboard, but this phone supports keyboard covers from older models.
I have several cover keyboards for S6, S7, S8. I'm thinking of adapting one of them for Note 8 (because it's impossible to find an official overlay keyboard for it!) or another Samsung phone, such as S9 + or Note 9, for which such an accessory was not released at all. Here is my plan:
1) Take a standard protective back cover, glue the chip from the old keyboard cover to it, cut two grooves to snap the front piece with keyboard into place.
2) (most difficult part for me) Design and 3D print a new front part of the keyboard case. Extract the keyboard module and magnet from the old keyboard cover, and fit it into the 3D printed front part.
3) Modify and rebuild the Samsung Keyboard APK to change the XML layout in order to match it the physical layout of the buttons. I may need to get root access to install a modified application, or I may not - IDK, need to try.
I think this should work. At least it looks like it should work.
Unfortunately, I don't have much time for this activity, so I don't know when I'll do it. But maybe it will help someone in his research. Good luck!
I did test the s6 at a retailer and I noticed that the Samsung Notes App did not recognize my handwriting in landscape mode at a specific place. It was when I did get closer with my palm to the edge (with power and volume button on the upper side).
At the middle kind of a little bit to the right there seems to be a blind spot where writing/drawing is not recognized in first place. Only after second or third attempt and then it seems like the recognition of the pressure is half off.
Don't know if the bright light from above or a already often used spen causes this.
Can any owner confirm?
Picture is attached (left space is empty because I did not encounter issues there)
LaCereb said:
I did test the s6 at a retailer and I noticed that the Samsung Notes App did not recognize my handwriting in landscape mode at a specific place. It was when I did get closer with my palm to the edge (with power and volume button on the upper side).
At the middle kind of a little bit to the right there seems to be a blind spot where writing/drawing is not recognized in first place. Only after second or third attempt and then it seems like the recognition of the pressure is half off.
Don't know if the bright light from above or a already often used spen causes this.
Can any owner confirm?
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Looks just like mine in this post. https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80372311&postcount=16
Was it in a case or something else with magnets?
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Looks just like mine in this post. https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80372311&postcount=16
Was it in a case or something else with magnets?
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HAH.
Yes indeed it was on a stand with a magnet on top to hold the device. And that field where i could not draw would fit the size of that magnet..
Unbelivable that you have to keep such things in mind when you want to you a tablet with that price...
Does Apple have such problems with their ipad series? Im so much struggling in the decision if apple or samsung. Im a Android guy and would like to keep my Android world but i want a performant device which does not have childhood injuries like that....
LaCereb said:
HAH.
Yes indeed it was on a stand with a magnet on top to hold the device. And that field where i could not draw would fit the size of that magnet..
Unbelivable that you have to keep such things in mind when you want to you a tablet with that price...
Does Apple have such problems with their ipad series? Im so much struggling in the decision if apple or samsung. Im a Android guy and would like to keep my Android world but i want a performant device which does not have childhood injuries like that....
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It isn't the tablet, but the case/holder.
I have two cases. One which the tab slips in to a holder—no probs there.
My other case holds the tab (very securely) with a magnet—therefore the dead spot. Love this case, except for the dead spot ceated by the stting magnet. This an awesome case in every other way, especially because there is nothing blocking the sides of the tablet, no edge swipe issues, et al.
So, I've just accepted that if I want to do any serious S-pen writing or drawing I have to either go case-less, or switch to the other one.
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It isn't the tablet, but the case/holder.
I have two cases. One which the tab slips in to a holder—no probs there.
My other case holds the tab (very securely) with a magnet—therefore the dead spot. Love this case, except for the dead spot ceated by the stting magnet. This an awesome case in every other way, especially because there is nothing blocking the sides of the tablet, no edge swipe issues, et al.
So, I've just accepted that if I want to do any serious S-pen writing or drawing I have to either go case-less, or switch to the other one.
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Could you link your second Case please
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Could you link your second Case please
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Just search my name in S6 forum. Both cases are linked—Amazon.