Hi,
I've always found the battery in this phone to be poor.
I've owned years of Xperias and only one other had a bad battery life (Sola). This very often won't reach 1 day even on half brightness. I don't use this phone any more than the last one, or the one before, so it's the phone not my usage.
I just asked Sony and it doesn't use Quick Charge 2.0. That explains it. It charges so slowly.
The stock charger pumps out 850mAh. I see some chargers pumping out 1500mAh. What would happen to our phone? Would it charge even a little bit faster? Is it a threat to the phone's health?
Thanks
i charge my sony m4 with lg charger 1.8 A output, my phone charge much faster
Nice to hear!
Is that 1800 mAh? Input or output?
Thanks!
It shouldn't really damage phone I'm using 2.1mAh output charger on my current phone Lg L7 II while waiting for new phone (M4 Aqua) and it charges really fast, lasts long and no problems so far
Nice to hear it, guys. I sent an email to Sony and they answered that it supports 1500 mA so I bought(ordered) EP880 charger today. After trying it I will tell you how it works.
Thanks guys!
This is more like it! The M4 section has lots of views in threads but few replies! If we drop a line or two we can really learn from each other like this.
1500 definitely works eh? I chatted with a Sony rep and they said Quick Charge 2.0 is not supported in the phone. Not much info. from them. But I will look for the 1500 charger. That would be great.
2100? Wow! I wonder if your LG phone supports Quick Charge 2.0?
Interesting thread:
I found this interesting Sony Mobile thread where a Sony rep tells us a bit about it: https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z-ZL-ZR/needed-help-with-charger-for-xperia-z/td-p/373667
My first instinct was to browse on eBay. I'm going to get one there. Watch out though! There are many non-Sony chargers and some of them don't look trustworthy. Also, many of them say output 5.0V. But at which speed? 850 mAh or 1500 mAh? Some say 5.0V=850 mAh and others say 5.0V=1500 mAh. So, if you don't shop carefully, you may get the 850 charger all over again!
UCH10 Charger
As another comparisson, the standard (and only) quick charger available on Sony Mobile for any phone is this one UCH10:
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/accessories/quick-charger-uch10/specifications/#tabs
Output
5V/1800mA(9W)
9V/1700mA(15.3W)
12V/1275mA(15.3W)
Support Qualcomm's Quick Charge 2.0 Class A
"Maybe I'll try that charger? It can't do any damage according to Sony Mobile:
There's really no recommended mA from what i can find. The phone will use the amount it can handle up to a certain level. The fact that a charger is specified to a high mA doesn't mean that it's "pushing" that into the phone. It's what it can deliver."
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z-ZL-ZR/needed-help-with-charger-for-xperia-z/td-p/373667
BUT...I checked Qualcomm's compatible device list, there are some Sony Xperia devices but the Z5 series mostly, not the M4. So, it would charge the phone but at a much slower rate...1500 maybe? But not Quick Charge 2.0 speed. So the older EP880 charger of 1500 mAh seems to be the max for this chipset/device.
https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/quick-charge-device-list
SharpnShiny said:
Nice to hear!
Is that 1800 mAh? Input or output?
Thanks!
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1,800 mAh, that's the same as the Sony Quick Charge 2.0 UCH10. That's definitely 1,800 mAh? I just don't want to spend €27 on discovering that I made an error and it's not compatible!
P.s. I've bought the EP880 1,500 charger and tested it, you can read here.
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1,800 mAh, that's the same as the Sony Quick Charge 2.0 UCH10. That's definitely 1,800 mAh? I just don't want to spend €27 on discovering that I made an error and it's not compatible!
P.s. I've bought the EP880 1,500 charger and tested it, you can read here.
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Do not buy it.
My answer there is right for you, too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/m4-...-ep880-fast-charger-1-0-t3274091#post64390697
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2100? Wow! I wonder if your LG phone supports Quick Charge 2.0?
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Well I don't know really Qualcomm page says that snapdragon 200 supports QuickCharge 2.0. Yet I don't have any issues with it. It takes around 1hour 10mins to charge from 4% to 100% 2450mAh battery
Just to point out that in my research Qualcomms "Quick Charge" uses a higher voltage output while you're not using your phone.
These chargers are "smart" in that they communicate with the phones chip to give the OK on fast charging. If they don't they'll stick to universal 5v output.
You can buy other aftermarket "fast chargers" and these only output 5v but at higher amps. I use a 4.2amp charger for all my devices, my M4 takes about 50 minutes from 10-100%.
Also note that devices generally will only draw what they need/want. If a device only requires 1 amp and you use a 2+amp charger, it will only draw 1 amp.
Weznezz said:
Just to point out that in my research Qualcomms "Quick Charge" uses a higher voltage output while you're not using your phone.
These chargers are "smart" in that they communicate with the phones chip to give the OK on fast charging. If they don't they'll stick to universal 5v output.
You can buy other aftermarket "fast chargers" and these only output 5v but at higher amps. I use a 4.2amp charger for all my devices, my M4 takes about 50 minutes from 10-100%.
Also note that devices generally will only draw what they need/want. If a device only requires 1 amp and you use a 2+amp charger, it will only draw 1 amp.
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Hi, thanks for the info.
You may have seen that we're confused about the M4's capabilities. Sony says it cannot support Quick Charge 2.0. Qualcomm lists that chip (in some, not all, I noticed) pages on their site as supporting Quick Charge 2.0. Do you know if it does?
I'm new to learning about devices drawing power. Would you mind giving a brief run down on what the M4 can draw in terms of power, what the stock charger draws? Then we could see better what a 4.2amp does.
Please and thanks!
I can confirm that several different QC2.0 chargers charge the M4 Aqua NO FASTER than a capable 2.1/2.4A charger. While the Snapdragon 615 chipset supports QC2.0, there is other circuitry in the charging path that must support it as well and Sony chose not to implement it in the M4 Aqua.
shopkins82 said:
I can confirm that several different QC2.0 chargers charge the M4 Aqua NO FASTER than a capable 2.1/2.4A charger. While the Snapdragon 615 chipset supports QC2.0, there is other circuitry in the charging path that must support it as well and Sony chose not to implement it in the M4 Aqua.
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the difference is generally in the kernel
for example, the lg g2 mini has an SD 400 that supports QC 1.0 and is not functional in the stock rom, but with modded kernel that feature was enabled and the phone charges faster with a 2A charger
sergioslk said:
the difference is generally in the kernel
for example, the lg g2 mini has an SD 400 that supports QC 1.0 and is not functional in the stock rom, but with modded kernel that feature was enabled and the phone charges faster with a 2A charger
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Can you point to an example for QC2.0? For 2.0, the charging circuitry must be able to sense and adjust voltage and current draw from 5v to 12v with steps in between. QC 1.0 is Qualcomm's implementation/branding traditional 5v/2A charging. Also, QC 2.0 circuitry can be licensed and implemented in other SOCs as is evidenced by the ZenPhone 2 (Intel) and Galaxy S6 (Exynos).
You're right that QC2.0 can be implemented at the Kernel level IF the underlying circuitry is already there (as was the case with the SD800 powered LG G2). That said, if the supporting circuitry is not there (independent of the SOC) it can't just be enabled in software.
RN9P/S only support 18W charging out of the box but RN9P Max support 33W charging. Besides the cameras, both phones have similar specs. Could the devs technically modify the phone (software not hardware) to enable the 33W charging? Would be great if I don't have to wait 2 hours to charge the phone.
But one thing to remember here is the charger that comes with RN9P/S only supports up to 22.5W charging so you will have to buy a new charger that supports 33W.
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RN9P/S only support 18W charging out of the box but RN9P Max support 33W charging. Besides the cameras, both phones have similar specs. Could the devs technically modify the phone (software not hardware) to enable the 33W charging? Would be great if I don't have to wait 2 hours to charge the phone.
But one thing to remember here is the charger that comes with RN9P/S only supports up to 22.5W charging so you will have to buy a new charger that supports 33W.
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You got a device with a battery that last really long. You'll arrive at the end of the day with a great amount of charge and you can connect it on the charger overnight.
What do you need to charge it in 1 hour for?
Just to ruin your battery?
Is it certain that the 9s/9pro doesn't support 33W out of the box, and isn't just limited by the 22W charger?
My redmi note 7 charges much faster with a qc 4.0 charger than with the stock one, they just cut corners on the charger to make it more affordable.
Hello people, is anyone aware if using the 65Watt charger that comes in the box is safe to use with other low power devices like bluetooth headsets or other devices?
Please answer if you're educated on this or have tried it.
i use it for charging huawei band 3 and y6 via microusb cable and dont see any issues
Aside from the 65W (10V 6.5 A), the rating on the charger also displays 5V 2A output, which is normal charging specs for device not compatible with the fast charging, so it should be fine.
If you find any device that use the same protocol or 10V 6.5 A it will charge it super fast
But most other phones use different charging volt and ampere so it will not be able to super charge it
For example my wife owns a s20 fe who is capable of 25w charging
But the charger of realme just a charge it at 10w with 5 volt 2 ampere
hello. (first of all I use Google translate ).
I would like to know please if there is a way to limit the power that a wireless charger can produce. Or that the phone only receives a certain wattage from the charger.
To better explain. I have a Xiaomi mi 11. Which is compatible with wireless charging up to 50watt. I bought a wireless charger (the Mi 20W Stand)... I use an official Xiaomi 27watt charger. Which provides me with the maximum power of the wireless charger ( 20watt )
But the phone heats up quickly. I tried using an 18watt charger to got a maximum of 10watt charge from the wireless charger. But. The charger is limited to 7.5watt and the charge is slow.
So I would like to know if there is a way or an application to limit the phone to only receive 10watt from the wireless charger?
I don't thiink this is possible for any smartphone. Wireless charging produces heat just because of how it works. It'll always generate heat. Lots of energy is wated throught heat, which is why wireless chargers generally put out less power than wired.
I know on my S22 Ultra, there's a setting to turn off fast wireless charging. Not sure if the Xiaomi devices have something similar?
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I don't thiink this is possible for any smartphone. Wireless charging produces heat just because of how it works. It'll always generate heat. Lots of energy is wated throught heat, which is why wireless chargers generally put out less power than wired.
I know on my S22 Ultra, there's a setting to turn off fast wireless charging. Not sure if the Xiaomi devices have something similar?
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Thank you for your answer. I know Samsung has this option.but on Xiaomi no. I looked but nothing. and that's why I asked if there was a way to limit the charging reception on the smartphone. since it is the CPU that manages the battery charging
What charging speeds can you get with QC, USB-PD or USB-PD PPS chargers? Higher than 7.5W / 5v 1.5A at least?
I see OnePlus lists it's charging speed as "18W Fast Charging (9V/2A)". And 9v doesn't match the 5v or 10v that I've read Dash/Warp/VOOC has used. So I'm hoping that means it supports more that just Dash/Warp.
If the nord n200 does require only Dash/Warp, anyone know which version?
According to this link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/u78u1o
The "PD" indicator on a cable with integrated power meter lights up, so the author thinks it is USB-PD.
Getting 10.2W (8.88v 1.15A) with QC. Battery was at 75% though. Have to test further at a lower charge level.
Used a Motorola "turbopower" USB-A charger, model: SC-22, which apparently does Qualcomm QC. Labeled as capable of 15W, 5v 3A, 9v 1.6A or 12v 1.2A.
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16.3W (8.94v 1.83A) via Qualcomm QC with a different cable and the battery at 10%. Max rate my charger is capable of.