I was handed an old Touchpad to see if I could get it working for my kids' learning apps. We're in quarantine from the Corona virus here in upstate NY and it looks like I won't have an income for a while, so I'd like to see if I could make this work.
The previous owner doesn't recall what he did, but I'm greeted with this menu upon boot:
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"lightbox_download": "Download",
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The Lineage option boots into a Nougat 7.1 that is SUPER LAGGY. Like, I went open a blank browser (no tabs open), and it sometimes can take 30 seconds for the keyboard to appear. And pressing the circle home button can take 5-10 seconds to respond as well. Other times apps just won't load unless I reboot first. It makes using any kind of interactive learning game downright impossible. The evervolv option straight up doesn't work. I'm not even sure why it is there and the previous owner doesn't remember why it is there or how it got there either.
I'm thinking I should just start with a different rom. But I'm not clear on how this dual-boot setup works or if I'll mess something up just flashing in twrp. Like, if I flash a rom in twrp, which partition will it be flashing to? And for that matter, how do I remove one that doesn't work? I'm new to touchpad in general. Someone suggested just going back to stock WebOS and starting over from there but that seems like more unnecessary work if I already have twrp installed and running, right? Suggestions?
So do you know your way around how to reset and install a new Rom using J.C. Sullin's TouchPad Toolbox?
I would suggest reading up on using TPTB. Download the required files and install his Rom, CM11. It was the best, most stable and functional Rom made for the TouchPad. Even the camera works. I know you want to set it up for your kids and I think you will have the best luck with Sullin's CM11. I've seen you trying to use the method by HPTouchPad and are having problems with it. If you ask him about my suggestions, you will find out he had a white hot hate for me because I have questioned and challenged him ever since he started that and several other threads. He claims everything he creates works perfectly when in fact it doesn't. His method is interesting, but if you question anything he says, he goes out of his way to attack and cast dispersion's on you.
If you get your TP setup and can download the apps you want for your kid to use and working OK, I'll tell you about what I did on two TP's I own that I feel gets me the best performance and stability. You may even be happy enough with CM11 that you won't even want to mess with my idea. Just remember, if HPTouchPad finds out you are talking to me, he will probably go ballistic.
If you have the time, read thru that thread and you will see what I am talking about. If you notice towards the end that he is starting to waver on what he suggests you should install. Earlier in the thread, he claims that you can load and run anything including the Super version of Gapps which is huge. And any of the various Roms he has modified and tweaked. It's nothing wrong with his work, it's all the fault of Gapps, ads and weather apps. Oh, and you absolutely must keep your TP charging at all times, that's because his stuff just drains the battery quickly. Note, TouchPads do not like to have the battery drained down to low levels or to the point where the tablet automatically shuts down. It's a proven fact that could cause problems on the TP, so you want to keep an eye on the battery level and I recommend not letting it go below 20%.
With Sullin's CM11, I can leave my tables off charge and when asleep, will last for days. Good Luck and stay away from that nasty virus.
Smithy
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You can read up on Touchpad Toolbox here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2756314
Depending what you intend to do with the touchpad each person has their own opinion about what works for them. I found the following combination works best for my 16gb tablet. I use it for youtube, hulu, and surfing the web. I also have this on my 32gb one but it's got some games for the kids. The battery drain thing is a problem but not a major issue for me. Only thing that annoys me is if the battery is too drained to get it to boot up. I have to hold the power and the home key (I think) to get it to boot up otherwise plugging it in does do a thing.
ev_tenderloin-7.1.2-nightly-2017.11.03.zip
HpTp_MaXtreme_1836_CPU_Universal_Optimize_Swap_Evervolv_7_1_2_Nougat.zip
ROM_Reducer_Evervolv_7_1_2_Nougat.zip
open_gapps-arm-7.1-pico-20190816.zip
SR5-SuperSU-v2.82-SR5-20171001224502.zip
FLINTMAN-TWRP-3.2.1-0-03-15-2018.zip
dizzymon said:
Depending what you intend to do with the touchpad each person has their own opinion about what works for them. I found the following combination works best for my 16gb tablet. I use it for youtube, hulu, and surfing the web. I also have this on my 32gb one but it's got some games for the kids. The battery drain thing is a problem but not a major issue for me. Only thing that annoys me is if the battery is too drained to get it to boot up. I have to hold the power and the home key (I think) to get it to boot up otherwise plugging it in does do a thing.
ev_tenderloin-7.1.2-nightly-2017.11.03.zip
HpTp_MaXtreme_1836_CPU_Universal_Optimize_Swap_Evervolv_7_1_2_Nougat.zip
ROM_Reducer_Evervolv_7_1_2_Nougat.zip
open_gapps-arm-7.1-pico-20190816.zip
SR5-SuperSU-v2.82-SR5-20171001224502.zip
FLINTMAN-TWRP-3.2.1-0-03-15-2018.zip
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@dizzymon Your are an example of how a discarded old device found on an ewaste bin was brought back to be useful again, thanks to all the hard work of many developers that dedicated their time to port Android to the HP Touchpad:
From your post dated December 6 of 2019:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=81116701&postcount=183
""My 32GB runs pretty good but my 16GB one that I found in the ewaste bin at work runs like garbage. I will toss it soon."
The Tablet enhance performance with my Kernel settings provided to all the ROM are as follow:
Makes the Tablet run like a Desktop computer or a Laptop: ( not like phone or a mobile device )
A swap partition ( provides the use of more memory )
Remove all the power restrictions to slow the CPU to maximize battery.
Make the CPU works at it's highest frequency only when need it and be stable.
Allocate the full 1 GB of RAM ( HPT_MaXtreme Kernel only )
This is the universal rule that applies to anything.
( More power or energy = faster speed )
( Less power or energy = slower speed )
Regarding the battery drain:
The Tablet is extremely optimize for streaming media:
The original ROM stocks provide no more than 2 MB of buffer, with my Kernel settings is 6 MB of buffer and can be setup even higher!
With my kernel settings the Tablet can stream HD 1080 24/7 with no issues.
That extra Power means more electricity, there is no way around it and the reason that I always say keep the Tablet charging at all time, even while streaming if allows.
To really know the health condition ( capacity ) of the battery do the following:
open a command prompt or terminal on a PC with the novacom driver an enter:
novacom -t open tty://
then
battery status
Example:
[email protected]:~$ novacom -t open tty://
battery status
battery present
voltage: 4113840
percentage: 100
current: -861562
capacity: 6483200
] a6 version
The capacity is the true battery energy :
To get all details about it go to this guide:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hp-touchpad/general/hp-touchpad-poweroff-prevents-battery-t4002265
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so going through all of these threads, theres a lot of mixed emotions about certain roms and certain phones. well i know for a fact that i'm not the only one who is 100% stoked about how bomb their phone is. so i decided to start a thread where we can talk about our perfect setups
dcd 3.0.4
radio 3.35.04
i know everyone loves the free apps, but realistically, the best apps arent free. and even more realistically, there are very easy ways to make them free, if you know what i'm sayin.
My Today Screen:
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absolutely loves it.
Date
SPB Mobile Shell
w/ Home tab, Time tab, Weather tab, Dial tab, Phone Lock
SPB Time
GPS Today
awesome free GPS program
SPB Pocket Plus w/ SPB Phone Suite as Tab 1
Tab 1 - Phone SuiteTab 2 - GPS
my GPS tab is awesome
Goole Maps, Live Search, GPS Gate, iNav iGuidance, GPS Viewer, iGo 2006, Quick GPS
MMS works great thanks to a quick reg fix
Volume Tweak works great thanks to audiopara.cab
the phone is fast
GPS lock is generally less than 30 seconds, and is becoming more consistent
[HKLM\Software\HTC\SUPL AGPS] GPSMode:4 (0X000004)
My Arsenal of Programs
Google Navigator
IBE RegEditor
IM+
Opera Mobile 9.5 beta
PCM Keyboard
PdaNet
SK Tools
SPB Time
SPB Mobile Shell
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Weather
SPB Phone Suite
WM Wifi Router
no BT issues
no Battery issues
i dont think i could dream of a nicer setup on my xv6800. i lalalalove my phone.
Check out this link, here is where my phone is currently. Simple and easy to navigate to everything.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2231706
im surprised with all that on your today screen, that you don't have 90% or so of your RAM used up..
No battery issues even with GPS on? wow..
I have a titan too, I like to keep things simple
Mobile Shell and some other apps, most probably 10 but no more
surprisingly enough, my Today screen isn't all that taxing on my RAM. the only thing that i wish could a be a little smoother is my SMS. if i have 6 or 7 texts coming through at the same time it gets really bogged down and i get so frustrated. Currently, with everything running, i have about 17 mb of free ram. Not an ideal level, but everything runs as smoothly as if i boot in safe mode. I just started using BT, and i thought that it would kill my battery because of everything else that I'm running, there was actually no noticeable change at all in my battery life. with BT running all day and 100% brightness, my phone went 12 hours and dropped 80%. battery life is probably a little relative, but being able to go around 15hours with no power save options before my battery drains is pretty damn good in my book.
kflipproductions said:
surprisingly enough, my Today screen isn't all that taxing on my RAM. the only thing that i wish could a be a little smoother is my SMS. if i have 6 or 7 texts coming through at the same time it gets really bogged down and i get so frustrated. Currently, with everything running, i have about 17 mb of free ram. Not an ideal level, but everything runs as smoothly as if i boot in safe mode. I just started using BT, and i thought that it would kill my battery because of everything else that I'm running, there was actually no noticeable change at all in my battery life. with BT running all day and 100% brightness, my phone went 12 hours and dropped 80%. battery life is probably a little relative, but being able to go around 15hours with no power save options before my battery drains is pretty damn good in my book.
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How much ram do you have after reboot?
serfboreds said:
How much ram do you have after reboot?
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immediately after soft reset - 16.64 mb free, so i'm using about 65%. not ideal, but not enough to cause any problems.
I love my xv6800 too. It's the best phone on Verizon by far.
Obviously, most of us wish the Tilt or some equal variant was available...but whatever, we gotta deal with being the bastard child of CDMA carriers who always get the shaft by phone developers.
true that...
Verizon is a /win for service but a /suck for phone selection and UPDATE availability. I swear they could give 2 ****s about their PDA community. I would love to switch over to the Sprint but service is horrid here in central ohio... Would be nice to get that cheap $30/month plan too but what's the point if you get 0 bars?
I'm sure I'll be singing a different tune when the Diamond is available from Sprint or something first. Verizon will just be realizing a new phone was released in about 2010 when it's already obsolete.
Oh sorry.. didn't mean to derail your thread with Verizon rants
haha but you did a really good job of derailing lol. this is was supposed to be a happy post. a**hole
Quickmenu(really nice startmenu and task manager)
Phone Alarm
UL 6 tabs
Plugins:
connections
Spb backup
pocketMusic
Im+
Weather Panel
I usually end up with 16-18mb in the end of the day!
Since we're all sharing our today screens, I might as well post mine up.
I like to keep it simple...too much today bloat hinders performance and looks cluttered.
HTC Home
HTC Task Manager
Vistahide Battery Gauge
Voicemail Today Plugin
annnnnd that's it.
kflipproductions said:
haha but you did a really good job of derailing lol. this is was supposed to be a happy post. a**hole
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Happy is a relative term... see, posting that rant made me feel happy
Zenoran said:
Happy is a relative term... see, posting that rant made me feel happy
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well played, sir.
I've been reading many complaints about the AOS bug, but everyone that complains of it refers to the percentage values. As I understand it, this is a relative value, and amounts to how much this process has run when compared to the rest (including the display-on time).
This means if you haven't switched on the display for most of the day, you might see the display using up 20% of the battery with AOS using 60% of the battery in comparison with the remainder spread among the rest of your apps. In reality, AOS might have run for 60 seconds while you've only run the display for 20 seconds as you booted up, looked at the time every now and then and nothing else.
Considering this percentage value will vary heavily from person to person based on usage, I propose we only compare actual CPU time used by the process.
Post the following 3 screen captures so that everyone can compare the real use of AOS and work out if it really is a bug for some and not others or if it is roughly the same for everyone:
Battery usage screen showing all the processes
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The battery usage graph showing the wake and sleep cycles of the phone which will give a comparison of phone usage
Android OS cpu time
This is the most accurate way of measuring the extent of this problem to work out if it really exists or not.
i think there is a bug because on a nexus one, unplugged for 16 hours, Android OS only uses 5 minutes CPU time, equating to AOS of 2% usage.
compared to your 4 hours already used 12 minutes.
but it also depends on so many other usage factors its hard to compare accurately.
Etherous, I think you're part right, the percentage can be misleading, as if your phone does absolutely nothing else (theoretically), the Android OS would end up being 100%.
However, I also agree with RogerPodacter, in that it depends on many other usage factors.
Personally, I think the real issue is that too much is being labelled as "Android OS", and the real culprits of battery drainage are being masked. Trial & error is the only way to figure out what works best for you. If you're having problems, I recommend testing each of the items in the first post of this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1135033
RogerPodacter said:
i think there is a bug because on a nexus one, unplugged for 16 hours, Android OS only uses 5 minutes CPU time, equating to AOS of 2% usage.
compared to your 4 hours already used 12 minutes.
but it also depends on so many other usage factors its hard to compare accurately.
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Noticed that as well..
14 hours, AOS used 50 minutes CPU for me.
don't know why
A lot of people complain of the AOS bug just by seeing high percentages indeed. However, the bug is real, and easily recognized. When it occurs, your screen shows "off", yet your "awake"-status is remaining on for long periods.
And of course thnx for warning people about the percentage-mistake, but it already has been mentioned in each topic tens of times ;-)
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA App
RogerPodacter said:
i think there is a bug because on a nexus one, unplugged for 16 hours, Android OS only uses 5 minutes CPU time, equating to AOS of 2% usage.
...
but it also depends on so many other usage factors its hard to compare accurately.
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RogerPodacter, if we make the assumption that "Android OS" truly represents a collection of Operating System processes/services, then it would depend on those running in the background to keep the phone running. I would imagine the Nexus One is designed specifically for vanilla Android which means it maximizes the full potential of the basic software without the need for extra services to support the phone's hardware... this is why you can't just install it on, say, a Samsung Galaxy S2 which has more bells and whistles of a different nature (I dare say the hardware in the latter is far beyond the current native capabilities of 2.3.4 and is awaiting the arrival of 4.0 [ice cream sandwich] to reveal itself). "Android OS" is just that, it's the Operating System and *needs* to run to keep your phone alive.
lindsaytheflint said:
Etherous, I think you're part right, the percentage can be misleading, as if your phone does absolutely nothing else (theoretically), the Android OS would end up being 100%.
However, I also agree with RogerPodacter, in that it depends on many other usage factors.
Personally, I think the real issue is that too much is being labelled as "Android OS", and the real culprits of battery drainage are being masked. Trial & error is the only way to figure out what works best for you. If you're having problems, I recommend testing each of the items in the first post of this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1135033
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lindsaytheflint, in continuing my thoughts from RogerPodacter, I agree with your statement that AOS usage really depends on what you actually want the phone to do inasmuch as it is what the manufacturer wants the phone to do. I believe manufacturers are pushing the current capabilities of the OS to its limits by pushing the capabilities of the hardware it runs on... that's the problem of having such an open design. In contrast, the iPhone is a closed development system with very exact specifications for its hardware that there is no need to chop and change kernel modules, seek different drivers, worry about various camera sensors focusing differently... It's a huge challenge for Android-centered manufacturers to make the current, limited software play nice. So you're right, there's a lot packed into the Android OS process, and different phones will report its usage differently depending on where your flavour of ROM is loading up its services.
With respect to the link, it makes sense that widgets (especially live updating ones) could lead to drain, and that could come down to how android deals with them, or even how android deals with them on a dual-core processor! Old MS Windows versions (and their legacy programs) had plenty of trouble handling certain functions on dual-core processors (even good-old hyperthreading) when they first came out.
kaassema said:
A lot of people complain of the AOS bug just by seeing high percentages indeed. However, the bug is real, and easily recognized. When it occurs, your screen shows "off", yet your "awake"-status is remaining on for long periods.
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kaassema, I noticed that others had mentioned the percentage-mistake, but I felt the need for it to have its own topic because the inconsistent reporting was driving me nuts, and that's why I believe it's important for people who say they have that bug to post those three pictures because one person's "light" usage could be another person's "heavy" usage and only a true indication can be followed in the numbers. Anyone keen on setting up a spreadsheet?
The fact that the phone's operating system runs while the phone is off can be attributed to a bug or simply a service that just has trouble finishing; that's why people/manufacturers keep chopping and changing different bits of code to make sure the phone does what you expect it to. Sure there might be an actual bug somewhere in one of the underlying services, or it might just be a very inefficient process that needs to be redeveloped because it doesn't play nicely with your phone/tablet's current hardware configuration. We can leave that up to the talented device-specific ROM developers to hunt for or just wait patiently for the ice cream sandwich release which is intended to have native support for all this wonderful hardware that currently exists... I feel like it's the Windows XP driver debacle repeating itself -- eventually there will be a stable-enough system that will run on any hardware with minimal tinkering.
I'm personally inclined to term the AOS issue as an incapability (instead of a bug) of the current Android version to run on far advanced hardware which has always been a problem in the computer industry... There are many angles to discuss this argument but they lay far outside the scope of this thread and I will not pursue them here
P.s , sorry for the long reply, you all had very valid points and wanted to address them all
Someone posted yesterday that the Android OS bug on his phone is due to his router .That router has problems with SGS2 so he says .
Is that another case of Android OS bug wrongly placed as the problem when its more likely the WiFi continually searching .
Problem is as posted screen broke = Android Bug . Everything and anything reported as Android OS bug .
jje
JJEgan said:
Someone posted yesterday that the Android OS bug on his phone is due to his router .That router has problems with SGS2 so he says .
Is that another case of Android OS bug wrongly placed as the problem when its more likely the WiFi continually searching .
Problem is as posted screen broke = Android Bug . Everything and anything reported as Android OS bug .
jje
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Could just be the wifi service is also lumped under Android OS... makes sense to me.
I would hazard a guess that some might have a couple of internet-accessing widgets that constantly wake the phone to connect to wifi and update. That would drain a bit, too.
Someone who has the time could test if there's a significant difference between idling with or without a Wifi connection.
I installed Juice Defender, and set it to turn off data whenever my screen is off. It turns on by itself ever hour just to update.
This has helped a lot it seems. My Screen-on and awake are almost synchronized.
Hi,
Lets start this first, Im Dumb. Plain and simple. I know there are a lot of threads about batteries but its mostly people whining about it. All im looking to know is am i getting the right amount compared to some of you guys? and am i set up to even know how my battery is doing.
Im on the UCLE5 Goldie rom (Love IT).
i had a 20 minute phone call and thats it hadnt really used it since this morning. Took it off the charger. 20 min phone call, and about 3.5 hours later im at like 83%. Is that sound about right to you guys? I have chargers at my desk and in my car so im never far from power. But i would love to know how im doing.
Lets say that its not up to par. What steps should i take to maybe find out whats causing a problem should there be one? I have always read that task killer programs are actually not that big of a deal on the android platform.. im not sure if thats true or not but i have tried to research and it seems to be a consensus around it.
Please let me know what ya all think and thank you for all your help and patience in reading a topic i am sure you are all very tired of.
Treello said:
Hi,
Lets start this first, Im Dumb. Plain and simple. I know there are a lot of threads about batteries but its mostly people whining about it. All im looking to know is am i getting the right amount compared to some of you guys? and am i set up to even know how my battery is doing.
Im on the UCLE5 Goldie rom (Love IT).
i had a 20 minute phone call and thats it hadnt really used it since this morning. Took it off the charger. 20 min phone call, and about 3.5 hours later im at like 83%. Is that sound about right to you guys? I have chargers at my desk and in my car so im never far from power. But i would love to know how im doing.
Lets say that its not up to par. What steps should i take to maybe find out whats causing a problem should there be one? I have always read that task killer programs are actually not that big of a deal on the android platform.. im not sure if thats true or not but i have tried to research and it seems to be a consensus around it.
Please let me know what ya all think and thank you for all your help and patience in reading a topic i am sure you are all very tired of.
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I'm on Electron73's UCLF5 stock ROM with a few mods and that seems about right.
I've found task killing apps to actually HURT my battery life. The reason is, everytime they kill a task that autostarts, it starts right back up. This uses processor power and, therefore, battery.
I would recommend trying out Battery Monitor Widget on the Play store. It's by 3C. There is a free version and a pro version. I used the free version for about a month and then bought the pro version. It will give you some great insight as far as your battery life goes.
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Treello said:
Hi,
Lets start this first, Im Dumb. Plain and simple. I know there are a lot of threads about batteries but its mostly people whining about it. All im looking to know is am i getting the right amount compared to some of you guys? and am i set up to even know how my battery is doing.
Im on the UCLE5 Goldie rom (Love IT).
i had a 20 minute phone call and thats it hadnt really used it since this morning. Took it off the charger. 20 min phone call, and about 3.5 hours later im at like 83%. Is that sound about right to you guys? I have chargers at my desk and in my car so im never far from power. But i would love to know how im doing.
Lets say that its not up to par. What steps should i take to maybe find out whats causing a problem should there be one? I have always read that task killer programs are actually not that big of a deal on the android platform.. im not sure if thats true or not but i have tried to research and it seems to be a consensus around it.
Please let me know what ya all think and thank you for all your help and patience in reading a topic i am sure you are all very tired of.
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The first thing u need to do is get cpuspy from the market and make sure ur phone is going into deep sleep then while screen is on I use jdu...I'm on apps uclf5 rc1 here is a screen shot of my phone while unplugged and sleeping as u can see all radios r off this is deep sleep
.I get 14 to 16 hrs a day under pretty heavy use PM me and I'll tell u everything I use
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I717 using xda premium
Geez guys...could we not quote the op...ever?
It's a long ass post to scroll through several times..plus it's his thread..I'm pretty sure he'll know you're talking to him.
JB calhoun said:
The first thing u need to do is get cpuspy from the market and make sure ur phone is going into deep sleep then while screen is on I use jdu...I'm on apps uclf5 rc1 here is a screen shot of my phone while unplugged and sleeping as u can see all radios r off this is deep sleep
.I get 14 to 16 hrs a day under pretty heavy use PM me and I'll tell u everything I use
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Thanks JB!
Alright, so, no, that sounds TERRIBLE going from full to 83% in 4 hours with only a 20 minute phone call.
Im on stock, unrooted and (having just tested), I go from 100 to 96% after a 20 minute call.
So, one of three things are happening here.
1. Your phone isnt deep sleeping
Solution: cpuspy. There are instructions for how to set it up and use it, since I have never used it, I cant help you here.
2. Radios (GPS, Cellular Data, Wifi, Bluetooth, NFC)
Manually turn them off or use a tool to automate this. There are a number of them out there, Juice Defender, AutomateIt, or my personal choice, Tasker (listed in order of ease of use but least features/functionality to most difficult to use but has most features/functionality).
Personally, I dont think your radios would be the problem, but nonetheless, they are something that if you can control their use, can save you some battery.
3. Rogue apps
This is absolutely the most tricky one to figure out.
Option 1: Start by installing Titanium Backup from the market and do a backup of all USER apps (copy the backups to your PC before proceeding!!). Then you should do is a factory reset (Settings->Privacy), then install cpuspy, battery monitor widget pro (by 3C), and Titanium Backup from the market and use Titanium to restore only the bare minimum apps you need on your phone to survive (in other words, install only what you need, NOT what you might need). Slowly add apps (again, that you actually use) and monitor the phone. I usually will add 5 at a time, if I notice a significant battery drain after adding five, its easier to determine the potential cause.
Option 2: Now, since the above is an absolute *****, another option that might appeal is a little app called Autostarts. Launch it and as soon as it is done loading, hit your menu button and look for an option to 'Group by Application'. It might also not be a bad idea to enable the 'Hide System Apps' option unless you know what you are doing'. Once you have done this, start at the top of the list and disable EVERY condition that an app has listed under it unless one of the following is true:
1. The app has a widget THAT YOU USE (if you dont use the widget portion, then this is not applicable).
2. The app has a scheduled task to perform under certain conditions or at certain times (ie. podcast client that updates your RSS feeds at a scheduled time, or Juice Defender which disables services, Dropbox which might sync your pictures if you have it configured this way).
Be aggressive WITH USER APPS. Even apps like Google Maps have absolutely NO REASON to be running in the background.
I would NOT touch system apps unless you know what you are doing. Unfortunately, I am not familar with ICS on the Note and what apps it considers a system app, I was very delicate with these, only disabling things like Gallery, Maps (on the Captivate, Maps was considered a system app), & Music.
4. Non-updated apps
Lastly, I cannot tell you how stupid people are about updating their apps. Obviosuly, it isnt applicable to everyone but to give you an idea, my sister handed me her phone and it had 47 app updates. Just last night, I looked at one of our company phones and it had 33 app updates and a system update.
Samsung is SUPER terrible about linking their apps to the market correctly. Launch Titanium Backup and hit the menu button, under settings and I think More, you will find an option to link apps to the market (it might be called market doctor, I havent used TB in a long time). This will make a number of stock apps show up under your list of installed apps when you open the market and allow you to easily hit the update all button without having to manually search for every app you have installed on your phone manually, one by one.
App updates are extremely important, often times, security vulnerabilities and performance improvements are made (this might include battery life improvements). There are a number of ways to have your apps automatically update if you dont want to manually do it (me personally, I like to know what changes came to each app).
I also don't think my phone's battery is up to par with most of you on this forum.
I just bought an i717 from Telus and recently got the battery replaced because i was getting about 2-3 hours (which was unbelievable). So i got this new battery and tested it out for the past 2 weeks and as i'm writing this post, i'm currently sitting at 12% with 12h 7m on battery with only 1h 45m 'screen on' time. Screen is at the top of the list with 32% and Web second with only 12m CPU total.
Any of this sound strange to you guys? I constantly find my phone overheating when the display is on. I even have my radios being controlled with Easy Battery Saver and checked for partial wakelocks with the audio output being at the top.
Could it be my battery or do i have a faulty display?
Ok this is what i have done so far...
All apps were up to date
I turned off bluetooth.. GPS.. and Wifi (I did have these on all the time) and only turn those on when i need then
i used cpuspy and you are right it spends all its time at 380 mhz never going into deep sleep.
how do i determine what is keeping it from deep sleep?
@HVZY- What is your display setting at? Are you running gingerbread? How long have you had the phone for?
Treello said:
Ok this is what i have done so far...
All apps were up to date
I turned off bluetooth.. GPS.. and Wifi (I did have these on all the time) and only turn those on when i need then
i used cpuspy and you are right it spends all its time at 380 mhz never going into deep sleep.
how do i determine what is keeping it from deep sleep?
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You can download Better Battery Stats from xda. This app will tell you what is giving you a wake lock. Really handy in finding what is keeping the phone awake.
I got an S3 a couple of weeks back.
I've noticed that the battery duration is subpar.
I haven't even rooted the device yet and it doesn't seem to be the same for everyone.
On the pic attached you can see that it has been a few hours since disconnected and it has already consumed almost half of the battery.
I wasn't doing much other than about 20 minutes of web surfing, 3 or 4 texts and about 15 of playing music for my car stereo through the aux. Other than that nothing, no pics, no calls, etc.
I'm on 3G (H,H+) all the time. Do you think that's the issue?
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I'm on 3G (H,H+) all the time.
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Depends. Please use the dialer code *#0011# (or *#*#0011#*#* on AOSP-based ROM's) and check if the RRC-state goes to "IDLE" when your phone has not transferred any data for some time and HSPA is active.
If not, your carrier probably does not disable Fast Dormancy or you have Fast Dormancy disabled for whatever reason.
Please, if rooted, let Better Battery Stats (free APK here in Xda) record the Wakelocks across several hours and make a screenshot of the Kernel wakelocks and Partial wakelocks.
All I can see from your current screenshot is that you're constantly discharging and probably are on an older firmware (Upgrade!) since it doesn't include the Fix for the cosmetic issue causing the Cell standby being battery drain Nr.1
Are you using Apps like Skype or Facebook? Both are known battery drainers.
Have you been in low-signal or no-signal areas?
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Depends. Please use the dialer code *#0011# (or *#*#0011#*#* on AOSP-based ROM's) and check if the RRC-state goes to "IDLE" when your phone has not transferred any data for some time and HSPA is active.
If not, your carrier probably does not disable Fast Dormancy or you have Fast Dormancy disabled for whatever reason.
Please, if rooted, let Better Battery Stats (free APK here in Xda) record the Wakelocks across several hours and make a screenshot of the Kernel wakelocks and Partial wakelocks.
All I can see from your current screenshot is that you're constantly discharging and probably are on an older firmware (Upgrade!) since it doesn't include the Fix for the cosmetic issue causing the Cell standby being battery drain Nr.1
Are you using Apps like Skype or Facebook? Both are known battery drainers.
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Thanks a lot for the reply.
I'm in Mexico and we haven't had the update released here. That's why I haven't upgraded yet.
I'd love to go to CM9 but as it stands I don't want to take risks with the modem, the scene is kind of young still.
I'm not using skype or facebook. I do have them installed but I don't have them running. I actually have sync for FB disable.
I'm very willing to uninstall both if you think it will help.
About RRC-State:
If I'm on wifi it says iddel.
The phone seems to go to HSPA only when downloading something and stays on 3G while idle. While on 3G RCC State reads "FACH".
How can I enable fast dormancy?
By the way, since 12 am today, I have downloaded less than 7MB of data from my mobile network. Anything else has been over wifi.
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Have you been in low-signal or no-signal areas?
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Not that I noticed. It seems to have good coverage around here. I'm in a 5 million people city and I normally move around a lot due to my work. Seems to be fine in that regard.
While on 3G RCC State reads "FACH".
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If it doesn't go down to IDLE then fd is confirmed off or not working. However not all providers support it so it's not that easy.
You can try this, but do a backup of the corresponding files first and of course replace wherever required the values with your provider's:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27445663&postcount=1
I'm in Mexico and we haven't had the update released here. That's why I haven't upgraded yet.
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You don't have to wait, just flash any Rom of your liking, including e.g. Omega ROM. You can flash the CSC back.
I do have them installed but I don't have them running. I actually have sync for FB disable.
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Try uninstalling or freezing them. It might help. Trial & error
By the way, since 12 am today, I have downloaded less than 7MB of data from my mobile network. Anything else has been over wifi.
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The problem is, your phone keeps a full-fledged high-speed data connection open at all times since it or the network is unable to go to Fast Dormancy. Open 3G/HSPA connections drain the battery faster than you can look. Talk about carriers sucking you dry =)
I'm in a 5 million people city and I normally move around a lot due to my work.
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That causes some drain, but not to that extend
I'd love to go to CM9 but as it stands I don't want to take risks with the modem, the scene is kind of young still.
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The modem doesn't change when flashing CM9. You should flash the BFLB modem though since otherwise you get issues with voice calling.
Plus, you can always go back to stock by flashing your (or a close) firmware from samfirmware.com through Odin.
I highly recommend trying CM9 =)
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If it doesn't go down to IDLE then fd is confirmed off or not working. However not all providers support it so it's not that easy.
You can try this, but do a backup of the corresponding files first and of course replace wherever required the values with your provider's:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27445663&postcount=1
You don't have to wait, just flash any Rom of your liking, including e.g. Omega ROM. You can flash the CSC back.
Try uninstalling or freezing them. It might help. Trial & error
The problem is, your phone keeps a full-fledged high-speed data connection open at all times since it or the network is unable to go to Fast Dormancy. Open 3G/HSPA connections drain the battery faster than you can look. Talk about carriers sucking you dry =)
That causes some drain, but not to that extend
The modem doesn't change when flashing CM9. You should flash the BFLB modem though since otherwise you get issues with voice calling.
Plus, you can always go back to stock by flashing your (or a close) firmware from samfirmware.com through Odin.
I highly recommend trying CM9 =)
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Thanks a lot for the help. I don't think I have the data required for doing that mod for fast dormancy. Most likely that is the culprit then...
I was waiting to root and such because of the flash counter but I guess there is no point in waiting. The phone like this actually doesn't do much for me. It's a pain to be concerned about enough power and I totally need to have the data on all the time (critical work emails). I always carry a backup iPhone 4 in case I have problems with my main android but I rather just use Android all the time (it rocks!).
I guess I'm down for CM9. Just one more question, my firmware doesn't appear as it is on samfirmware. How can I find out which one is closer to the one I got right now?
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Actually I found it. It wasn't there before but it is now. It might be newer to what I got right now.
I rooted my device and made a nandroid.
Just for research, instead of putting a new ROM I'll try to do a bbs log of my phone as it is to try to find out the reason for the drain although it might very well be the carrier config.
A troublesome bug that causes the drain (discharge at high speed of the battery) of the MI8 is caused by the voice Mobile standby, in fact if you go in the battery settings, you will notice a high% of consumption of the item in question.
This is caused because, by default in the Xiaomi rom (China or global) is also the search for frequencies also Chinese, this involves an intensive use of the network module that continues in a way to find these Chinese frequencies, which of course in our country , just as all EU countries do not exist, leading to greater use of autonomy.
Xiaomi is already aware of the problem and will certainly be resolved, when it is not known.
In the meantime, you can solve the problem by yourself, as follows:
Enter the following USSD code *#*#4636#*#* in the dialer.
Set the LTE / WCDMA mode to both SIMs
In this way, only the European frequencies will be used, eliminating the battery drain.
You're welcome btw
https://en.miui.com/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=4953373&pid=33446288
It's also a pretty old bug, somebody else had the same idea 4 months ago:
https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads...by-of-mi8-caused-by-td-scdma-searching.46054/
When you reboot the phone it returns to the old settings!
Done, let's see now.
Thanks for the info
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Done, let's see now.
Thanks for the info
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When you reboot the phone it returns to the old settings!
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When you reboot the phone it returns to the old settings!
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On miui perfhaps yes.
I'm on Syberia and it stayed like that.
Well, not a big hassle, I mean I reboot my phone once a week.
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On miui perfhaps yes.
I'm on Syberia and it stayed like that.
Well, not a big hassle, I mean I reboot my phone once a week.
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Come on.. this is not s solution. We have spent a considerable amount of money to buy this beautiful phone. But Xiaomi releases updates with no sufficient testing prior launch and this is actually annoying.
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Come on.. this is not s solution. We have spent a considerable amount of money to buy this beautiful phone. But Xiaomi releases updates with no sufficient testing prior launch and this is actually annoying.
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I agree with you, I really do.
But even if you searched about the device you want to buy even for months before getting it you'll see there is absolutely no device existing without at least 2-3 issues out there.
Even pixels which are what android is and more than that, have problems.
You either bear with it, or stop using smartphones.
And the second option is not a viable choice for me.
P. S. Got a poco before the Mi 8 and refunded it because of the touch lag, I know that Xiaomi doesn't test enough, be it software or hardware.
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I agree with you, I really do.
But even if you searched about the device you want to buy even for months before getting it you'll see there is absolutely no device existing without at least 2-3 issues out there.
Even pixels which are what android is and more than that, have problems.
You either bear with it, or stop using smartphones.
And the second option is not a viable choice for me.
P. S. Got a poco before the Mi 8 and refunded it because of the touch lag, I know that Xiaomi doesn't test enough, be it software or hardware.
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I really respect what you say and most likely you are right but what now? You see I am using the phone professionally and battery is crucial for me.
Thanks for the advice. There is battery drain with V10.1.2.0. Cell standby. BTW, you can reach the menu by repeatedly tapping on "Internal Storage" in the "My device" settings. There are some "secret" links in settings.
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I really respect what you say and most likely you are right but what now? You see I am using the phone professionally and battery is crucial for me.
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If this bothers you that much then either flash a custom rom on it, or refund/sell the device and get something else, maybe an OP6T.
I ran a little test today to find out if other devices handle it better and it does appear to be so. Mido battery drain with LTE/WCDMA and LTE/TD-SCDMA/UMTS was exactly the same.
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But the cell signal history wasn't...
Redmi Note 4X, Xiaomi.eu 9.5, 70km Highway drive with Waze and internet music stream running, fixed display brightness. Same route in both tests, just opposite directions - hence me flipping 2nd signal history in the following screenshot:
I ran a similiar test on my MI 8 a week ago and there were massive differences in battery drain and signal history...like I said I think MI 8 has a baseband issue that somehow can get amplified by the MIUI default network mode setting.
well i seen someone said that global beta 8.12.20 it is way better.anyone tried it around here?i was thinking of trying it myself actually...i think i'll do and came back with some feedback.
idk I've been on global beta since 10.0.3.0 global stable release and I've had all of these issues. It's possible that android 9 adaptive battery feature in beta 8.12.20 helps a bit.
Make sure non interactive scenes are disabled in settings \ battery \ scenes
I have the same problem, my drain was 40% in 8 h in standby mode. I flash my phone to miui 9 and then i update to miui 10 - 10.3.3 global, then i clean al my programs and i don't update sistem apps from Xiaomi. At last i turn off my phone and i charge up to 100%. Now my drain battery per night is 5-6% and last almost 2 days?. Good luck!