I bought a 7T Pro Mclaren 5G a while back off eBay, it was the T-Mobile 5G model and I live in Canada, so when I got it, I tried to unlock it and couldn't, after a long back and forth with the seller, I ended up finding out from T-Mobile that the phone was reported lost/stolen so I had to make an eBay claim, got my money back, and I was going to buy another one, but then I found the Nubia Red Magic 5G so I decided to wait it out until that released since on paper it has better specs for less, turns out it's an absolutely horrible phone and I'm sending it back because nothing works and you're locked out of changing anything.. but back on topic.
Once I get the refund from Nubia, I want to buy another OnePlus 7T Pro, I would prefer another Mclaren model and I like the way that one looks more, however, I'm even more confused now that I'm looking into root/roms for it.
Canada doesn't have 5G yet, so there's no reason to get a 5G phone other than future proofing, but honestly 4G has been fine and I have no issues, so not having 5G isn't a deal breaker, and I noticed on the normal 7T Pro forum here, there's lots of root and rom threads for the non Mclaren phone, but the confusing part now, is the Mclarens actually had like 5 different models that I know of, the HD1910 (china model). HD1911(india model). HD1913 (europe model), HD1920 (europe 5G), and HD1925 (t-mobile 5G).
From what I've gathered, the HD1920/1925 are "hotdogg", and the HD1910/1911/1913 are "hotdog" so I have a few questions, given that there's basically zero support for root/roms on hotdogg, I want to buy a hotdog variant, the non-5G model, but this forum doesn't say anything about the non-5G Mclaren model being included or not, so is the Mclaren HD1910/1913 model the same as the normal 7T Pro HD1910/1913?
I was looking up differences on the HD1910 vs HD1913 and the only thing I've found according to some other forums and sites is that the HD1910 is just cheaper with different firmware, but the global firmware can be flashed on the HD1910, essentially making an HD1913 for cheaper? However I have not been able to find the HD1910 for cheaper with shipping to Canada, the HD1913 seems to be the cheapest option for me.
I'm going to be buying an HD1913, but, the question still stands, is the normal HD1913 the same as the Mclaren HD1913? The only thing I found between them is the Mclaren has 12GB RAM, so would this cause issues with root/roms if I use root/roms designed for the normal 8GB RAM HD1913?
Any info is appreciated.
VeeDaub said:
I bought a 7T Pro Mclaren 5G a while back off eBay, it was the T-Mobile 5G model and I live in Canada, so when I got it, I tried to unlock it and couldn't, after a long back and forth with the seller, I ended up finding out from T-Mobile that the phone was reported lost/stolen so I had to make an eBay claim, got my money back, and I was going to buy another one, but then I found the Nubia Red Magic 5G so I decided to wait it out until that released since on paper it has better specs for less, turns out it's an absolutely horrible phone and I'm sending it back because nothing works and you're locked out of changing anything.. but back on topic.
Once I get the refund from Nubia, I want to buy another OnePlus 7T Pro, I would prefer another Mclaren model and I like the way that one looks more, however, I'm even more confused now that I'm looking into root/roms for it.
Canada doesn't have 5G yet, so there's no reason to get a 5G phone other than future proofing, but honestly 4G has been fine and I have no issues, so not having 5G isn't a deal breaker, and I noticed on the normal 7T Pro forum here, there's lots of root and rom threads for the non Mclaren phone, but the confusing part now, is the Mclarens actually had like 5 different models that I know of, the HD1910 (china model). HD1911(india model). HD1913 (europe model), HD1920 (europe 5G), and HD1925 (t-mobile 5G).
From what I've gathered, the HD1920/1925 are "hotdogg", and the HD1910/1911/1913 are "hotdog" so I have a few questions, given that there's basically zero support for root/roms on hotdogg, I want to buy a hotdog variant, the non-5G model, but this forum doesn't say anything about the non-5G Mclaren model being included or not, so is the Mclaren HD1910/1913 model the same as the normal 7T Pro HD1910/1913?
I was looking up differences on the HD1910 vs HD1913 and the only thing I've found according to some other forums and sites is that the HD1910 is just cheaper with different firmware, but the global firmware can be flashed on the HD1910, essentially making an HD1913 for cheaper? However I have not been able to find the HD1910 for cheaper with shipping to Canada, the HD1913 seems to be the cheapest option for me.
I'm going to be buying an HD1913, but, the question still stands, is the normal HD1913 the same as the Mclaren HD1913? The only thing I found between them is the Mclaren has 12GB RAM, so would this cause issues with root/roms if I use root/roms designed for the normal 8GB RAM HD1913?
Any info is appreciated.
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There are two McLaren editions afaik. The T-Mobile branded one and the international one. There was a serious issue with updating OOS firmwares when unlocking the bootloader on the T-Mobile devices.
I'm not sure if all custom ROMs are supported on the McLaren edition unfortunately. Also the back of the McLaren edition has far more text on the back as the pictures suggest. Look here: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61VYQo5lEuL._SL1600_.jpg
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There are two McLaren editions afaik. The T-Mobile branded one and the international one.
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The HD1920 is the Internation 5G, and the HD1925 is the T-Mobile 5G, but there are also the three other non-5G models, the HD1910/1911/1913, and I'm looking at an HD1913, so that's the non-5G international model, I just don't know if having 12GB of RAM is going to cause issues if I try to root it using tools for the normal 8GB RAM HD1913 and same goes for standard 8GB RAM HD1913 specific roms, can they run on the 12GB RAM HD1913?
I'm just confused because the "Mclaren model" (hd1920/1925) has it's own forum on here, but everything there only mentions the 5G models, nothing about the non-5g Mclaren hd1910/1911/1913, and over here in the non-5G section for the hd1910/1911/1913, there's nothing about the non-5G Mclaren models, so is this phone just compatible with the normal hd1913 stuff because they're the same model number, or does having an extra 4GB of RAM actually make it different resulting in root tools and roms not working? I'm so many confused lol
From what i know is that the International NON 5G McLaren (HD1913, i own this model and i am in the Netherlands) can be seen as a normal Oneplus 7T Pro... Oneplus customer service confirmed this for me.
The OnePlus support page has a download section for roms for all of their devices, but McLaren was not present in this list. They confirmed that i can flash the 7T Pro firmware and the hardware should handle itself, and the extras like the boot animation and themes are stored somewhere within the hardware so you'll keep those as well.
In case of rooting, i think you can use the tools for it as most probably magisk is used and a patched boot img will be made and flashed from your existing firmware. However i have mayor trust issues so i did it myself, used fastboot and adb commands to pull the boot.img and patch it in magisk manager and flash it via fastboot. Just make sure after each OTA to use magisk manager and flash magisk to the inactive slot so you'll keep root after reboot.
Check this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnePlus_7T
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I bought a 7T Pro Mclaren 5G a while back off eBay, it was the T-Mobile 5G model and I live in Canada, so when I got it, I tried to unlock it and couldn't, after a long back and forth with the seller, I ended up finding out from T-Mobile that the phone was reported lost/stolen so I had to make an eBay claim, got my money back, and I was going to buy another one, but then I found the Nubia Red Magic 5G so I decided to wait it out until that released since on paper it has better specs for less, turns out it's an absolutely horrible phone and I'm sending it back because nothing works and you're locked out of changing anything.. but back on topic.
Once I get the refund from Nubia, I want to buy another OnePlus 7T Pro, I would prefer another Mclaren model and I like the way that one looks more, however, I'm even more confused now that I'm looking into root/roms for it.
Canada doesn't have 5G yet, so there's no reason to get a 5G phone other than future proofing, but honestly 4G has been fine and I have no issues, so not having 5G isn't a deal breaker, and I noticed on the normal 7T Pro forum here, there's lots of root and rom threads for the non Mclaren phone, but the confusing part now, is the Mclarens actually had like 5 different models that I know of, the HD1910 (china model). HD1911(india model). HD1913 (europe model), HD1920 (europe 5G), and HD1925 (t-mobile 5G).
From what I've gathered, the HD1920/1925 are "hotdogg", and the HD1910/1911/1913 are "hotdog" so I have a few questions, given that there's basically zero support for root/roms on hotdogg, I want to buy a hotdog variant, the non-5G model, but this forum doesn't say anything about the non-5G Mclaren model being included or not, so is the Mclaren HD1910/1913 model the same as the normal 7T Pro HD1910/1913?
I was looking up differences on the HD1910 vs HD1913 and the only thing I've found according to some other forums and sites is that the HD1910 is just cheaper with different firmware, but the global firmware can be flashed on the HD1910, essentially making an HD1913 for cheaper? However I have not been able to find the HD1910 for cheaper with shipping to Canada, the HD1913 seems to be the cheapest option for me.
I'm going to be buying an HD1913, but, the question still stands, is the normal HD1913 the same as the Mclaren HD1913? The only thing I found between them is the Mclaren has 12GB RAM, so would this cause issues with root/roms if I use root/roms designed for the normal 8GB RAM HD1913?
Any info is appreciated.
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I have the op 7tpro hd1910 non 5g and all custom ROMs from the 7tpro thread work on it. Some mods ex renovate ice work on the 5g models as of 3 days ago, but not all custom ROMs support 5g models
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From what i know is that the International NON 5G McLaren (HD1913, i own this model and i am in the Netherlands) can be seen as a normal Oneplus 7T Pro... Oneplus customer service confirmed this for me.
The OnePlus support page has a download section for roms for all of their devices, but McLaren was not present in this list. They confirmed that i can flash the 7T Pro firmware and the hardware should handle itself, and the extras like the boot animation and themes are stored somewhere within the hardware so you'll keep those as well.
In case of rooting, i think you can use the tools for it as most probably magisk is used and a patched boot img will be made and flashed from your existing firmware. However i have mayor trust issues so i did it myself, used fastboot and adb commands to pull the boot.img and patch it in magisk manager and flash it via fastboot. Just make sure after each OTA to use magisk manager and flash magisk to the inactive slot so you'll keep root after reboot.
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Okay awesome, this is exactly what I needed to know, I feel a lot more confident about buying the non-5G one now, thanks!
I'd rather wait out the whole situation about 5G and what it's dangers are for your health, as everyone is spitting out rumours about it (talking about the amount of radiation it sends out and that stuff, not the 5G causes corona bull****). Besides it will take some time for 5G coverage, just like it did with 4G so getting a device right with it in an area that is not covered yet is a bit waste of money... For me 4G is fast enough.
5G will most likely also cost you a lot more money each month.
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Okay awesome, this is exactly what I needed to know, I feel a lot more confident about buying the non-5G one now, thanks!
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I'd rather wait out the whole situation about 5G and what it's dangers are for your health, as everyone is spitting out rumours about it (talking about the amount of radiation it sends out and that stuff, not the 5G causes corona bull****). Besides it will take some time for 5G coverage, just like it did with 4G so getting a device right with it in an area that is not covered yet is a bit waste of money... For me 4G is fast enough.
5G will most likely also cost you a lot more money each month.
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Tbh 5G is a standard that includes different frequencies. If any concern can even be valid, it is millimeter wave as the other frequencies are already deployed.
And even in this spectrum it isn't harmful at all. Keep in mind we absorb slight space radiation all the time. Keeping a high wattage (I'm talking about 50W+ radiation close to your reproduction organs will do harm but that's a whole other kind of scale).
It is unfortunate that people often try to pinpoint the first thing they hear like Corona caused by 5G. It is important to remember how everything works and what is plausible and what not
Perhaps 5G isn't that harmful, i still keep my caution as i haven't had the time to inform myself fully yet... Just viewing articles that come by during lunch hours.
My first thoughts from hearing the news about people setting cellphone towers on fire because of 5G causing Corona... Wich deactivated and damaged the tower and the use of emergency numbers... What an absolute ********.
Macusercom said:
Tbh 5G is a standard that includes different frequencies. If any concern can even be valid, it is millimeter wave as the other frequencies are already deployed.
And even in this spectrum it isn't harmful at all. Keep in mind we absorb slight space radiation all the time. Keeping a high wattage (I'm talking about 50W+ radiation close to your reproduction organs will do harm but that's a whole other kind of scale).
It is unfortunate that people often try to pinpoint the first thing they hear like Corona caused by 5G. It is important to remember how everything works and what is plausible and what not
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Yeah I'm not after the 5G at all, 4G has been more than fast enough for what I use a phone for. Plus, Canada doesn't even have 5G yet, that's why I'm looking for a non-5G OnePlus 7T Pro Mclaren, no point paying more for the 5G model and lose some functionality to root/roms for a service that isn't even provided yet.
As for the whole 5G thing, I think the main concern behind it was people not understanding that 5G ranges from like 24MHz to 300MHz, and it's about the frequency. So a RADIOwave goes up to I think around 1GHz, and MICROwave frequency is like 1GHz to around 300GHz. and some microwaves operate at around 2.45GHz, so already your standard wifi router in your house is already spitting out microwaves from 2.4GHz to 60GHz depending on what model you have and what frequencies you're using, the difference is the wattage, a router is basically nothing in comparison to an actual microwave oven that cooks food, those can go up to 700w for a normal household model, even more for industrial models.
So basically, we're already exposed to microwaves everyday, the wattage is just so low that it doesn't cause us any hard, and even if it would over a long period of time, our immune systems can rebuild faster than the radiation can cause harm, same as getting x-rays at the dentist, harmful, but our bodies are stronger. It doesn't cause any concern at all. Now there's known information that the US Military uses 95GHz with a custom panel that's attached to Hummers for crowd control to break up riots. The difference is that people think that the 95GHz range the military uses which is proven to produce enough microwave non-ionizing radiation to make rioters bodies uncomfortable, they over heat and get sick from heat stroke with too much exposure causing them to stop rioting, it's not life threatening and tests have shown no signs of skin cancer as a result, but it's aggressive enough to work.
The issue though, is that when people see 5G going from 24GHz to 300GHz and the military uses 95GHz for crowd control, people think that if 5G uses those higher frequencies it's capable of, it's going to cook everyone like a legit microwave oven. The only difference here is that ONE of those Hummers produces up to 2.5MEGAWATTS for a 2 second burst at full power using two diesel engine generators. So far all of the 5G towers that are being burned down, they don't have a diesel power plant at every tower, and each tower drawing power loads like that would overload the entire grid. So from everything I found when I was looking into why people are burning down towers is they just don't understand how low the wattage is on a 5G tower and there's people hyping up these hummers saying that 5G will cause you to die and Covid-19 is just a government cover up and it's actually 5G and all this other nonsense, but in reality, 5G is completely safe, if someone DID hook one up to a 2.5Mw source.. we might be in trouble lol
Now I'm not saying it's SAFE, like, end all game. There were studies in Germany about just cell phone towers in general, they did a test with like 1000 people in a 400m radius of cell phone towers and the people closer to the towers were 50% more likely to get cancer from testing, and 10% observed cancer right at the towers, but this is also over the span of a 10 year test. So, ALL cell phone towers cause cancer, it's just a matter of how close you live to one and how long you've lived there, and even then, you have a 90% chance of not getting cancer, so the risks are still low. Not comforting, but low enough that I wouldn't start losing sleep over.
Here in The Netherlands we don't have 5G either, but it is planned for this summer (which is cancelled this year). There are phones already out with the specs ready... And even if it was already supported, i am not willing to pay 10 to 20 euros a month more for the speed i am not gonna use.
But does Canada only have the 5G variant in the stores? Or is the phone not available at all?
As far as i knew the concern here was that it would cause cancer or certain health issues in the long term, as it would need more transmitters/towers to cover the area for certain frequencies. I never believed in the first place it would be extremely harmful. What i do know is the closer you live to one off the towers, the more chance you get of developing cancer and a few other things. Besides, i have a high end router in my bedroom and i am not dead yet.... Maybe i should move closer to a tower so it would go quicker....
Governments do stupid stuff... but i believe they would not allow a network to be installed that would be that dangerous, or keep installed if things do turn for the worse.
I also believe that this is going too off topic that eventually a mod will warn us
bANONYMOUS said:
Yeah I'm not after the 5G at all, 4G has been more than fast enough for what I use a phone for. Plus, Canada doesn't even have 5G yet, that's why I'm looking for a non-5G OnePlus 7T Pro Mclaren, no point paying more for the 5G model and lose some functionality to root/roms for a service that isn't even provided yet.
As for the whole 5G thing, I think the main concern behind it was people not understanding that 5G ranges from like 24MHz to 300MHz, and it's about the frequency. So a RADIOwave goes up to I think around 1GHz, and MICROwave frequency is like 1GHz to around 300GHz. and some microwaves operate at around 2.45GHz, so already your standard wifi router in your house is already spitting out microwaves from 2.4GHz to 60GHz depending on what model you have and what frequencies you're using, the difference is the wattage, a router is basically nothing in comparison to an actual microwave oven that cooks food, those can go up to 700w for a normal household model, even more for industrial models.
So basically, we're already exposed to microwaves everyday, the wattage is just so low that it doesn't cause us any hard, and even if it would over a long period of time, our immune systems can rebuild faster than the radiation can cause harm, same as getting x-rays at the dentist, harmful, but our bodies are stronger. It doesn't cause any concern at all. Now there's known information that the US Military uses 95GHz with a custom panel that's attached to Hummers for crowd control to break up riots. The difference is that people think that the 95GHz range the military uses which is proven to produce enough microwave non-ionizing radiation to make rioters bodies uncomfortable, they over heat and get sick from heat stroke with too much exposure causing them to stop rioting, it's not life threatening and tests have shown no signs of skin cancer as a result, but it's aggressive enough to work.
The issue though, is that when people see 5G going from 24GHz to 300GHz and the military uses 95GHz for crowd control, people think that if 5G uses those higher frequencies it's capable of, it's going to cook everyone like a legit microwave oven. The only difference here is that ONE of those Hummers produces up to 2.5MEGAWATTS for a 2 second burst at full power using two diesel engine generators. So far all of the 5G towers that are being burned down, they don't have a diesel power plant at every tower, and each tower drawing power loads like that would overload the entire grid. So from everything I found when I was looking into why people are burning down towers is they just don't understand how low the wattage is on a 5G tower and there's people hyping up these hummers saying that 5G will cause you to die and Covid-19 is just a government cover up and it's actually 5G and all this other nonsense, but in reality, 5G is completely safe, if someone DID hook one up to a 2.5Mw source.. we might be in trouble lol
Now I'm not saying it's SAFE, like, end all game. There were studies in Germany about just cell phone towers in general, they did a test with like 1000 people in a 400m radius of cell phone towers and the people closer to the towers were 50% more likely to get cancer from testing, and 10% observed cancer right at the towers, but this is also over the span of a 10 year test. So, ALL cell phone towers cause cancer, it's just a matter of how close you live to one and how long you've lived there, and even then, you have a 90% chance of not getting cancer, so the risks are still low. Not comforting, but low enough that I wouldn't start losing sleep over.
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http://www.ebay.com/sch/zteusainc/m...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
They still sell it on the regular website and Best Buy and New Egg are still selling them on ebay. But this is very interesting that they have stopped selling it on ebay.
If they don't have any stock, how would they be running anything on eBay? I don't think ebay lets you run pre-orders and such. I'd bet it will come back up when stock arrive shortly.
It's no about stock actually.
They don't want non-US users to get the chance to buy the US model outside of the US. Which you were able to using eBay.
I was told by BHPhoto that they are restricted by ZTE to sell the device to non-US customers.
The US version is the better one compared to the international model.
Lucky me I have a buddy in NY area who got the newegg pre-order of the grey version and will forward it to me. I'm in Europe and have tested the A2017G. Sent it back as I'm waiting for the A2017U (US Model).
how is that the U model is better then G?
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how is that the U model is better then G?
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Easy for Unlock bootloader and easy to fix soft-brick , probably more buy those 2 comes first!!
oh ok , now that they halt the sale outside us ,seem like its just for you guys , well it should promote more and increase the community , frankly speaking just this year i heard of this brand , hmmm where has it been all these years
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It's no about stock actually.
They don't want non-US users to get the chance to buy the US model outside of the US. Which you were able to using eBay.
I was told by BHPhoto that they are restricted by ZTE to sell the device to non-US customers.
The US version is the better one compared to the international model.
Lucky me I have a buddy in NY area who got the newegg pre-order of the grey version and will forward it to me. I'm in Europe and have tested the A2017G. Sent it back as I'm waiting for the A2017U (US Model).
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Could you please detail why G version would be worse than U. It is same hardware and only modem is different but modem behaves better in G as read comments anywhere? What do you expect from U? If you have software issues I am sure that if any is fixed in one of two it will be sorted out on other one too.
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Could you please detail why G version would be worse than U. It is same hardware and only modem is different but modem behaves better in G as read comments anywhere? What do you expect from U? If you have software issues I am sure that if any is fixed in one of two it will be sorted out on other one too.
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Actually only a few points that tipped it over for me in favor for the U version.
A: Better Software support from ZTE USA.
B: The U version has VoLTE which is supported in ROM/Baseband. The G version does not and never will. (Not supported in the modem firmware).
C: U version allows you to enter EDL mode (Qualcomms Emergency Download Mode). I need this as I'm a dev. The G version can only enter DFU mode.
D: All the band's that are required in my Euro country and in the US are supported. I travel to friends in the US and don't want to have to switch phones.
E: With the newegg pre-order you were given free headphones for around 200$. After customs it will be the same price as the G version in euros but with additional free high quality headphones.
F: My buddy tested the phone for "bad signal reception" and other faults/defects I mentioned to look out for. For over a week before sending the device over. Else I would have told him to send it back.
He is using an OP3 and even compared them as a daily driver. He said it's on par with the OP3. He even said the Axon7 is like "stuck on 4G" while his OP3 loses 4G occasionally and gets 3G only.
He is an experienced IT tech. I trust his judgement.
He is even thinking about selling his OP3 and to grab an Axon7 as soon as CM is done.
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Could you please detail why G version would be worse than U. It is same hardware and only modem is different but modem behaves better in G as read comments anywhere? What do you expect from U? If you have software issues I am sure that if any is fixed in one of two it will be sorted out on other one too.
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The G model has a lower volume cap, possibly due to EU regulations, while the U model has a much higher cap. The G model also seems to have more issues with bootloader unlocking, while the U model is pretty straight forward.
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Actually only a few points that tipped it over for me in favor for the U version.
A: Better Software support from ZTE USA.
B: The U version has VoLTE which is supported in ROM/Baseband. The G version does not and never will. (Not supported in the modem firmware).
C: U version allows you to enter EDL mode (Qualcomms Emergency Download Mode). I need this as I'm a dev. The G version can only enter DFU mode.
D: All the band's that are required in my Euro country and in the US are supported. I travel to friends in the US and don't want to have to switch phones.
E: With the newegg pre-order you were given free headphones for around 200$. After customs it will be the same price as the G version in euros but with additional free high quality headphones.
F: My buddy tested the phone for "bad signal reception" and other faults/defects I mentioned to look out for. For over a week before sending the device over. Else I would have told him to send it back.
He is using an OP3 and even compared them as a daily driver. He said it's on par with the OP3. He even said the Axon7 is like "stuck on 4G" while his OP3 loses 4G occasionally and gets 3G only.
He is an experienced IT tech. I trust his judgement.
He is even thinking about selling his OP3 and to grab an Axon7 as soon as CM is done.
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Thanks for the details. You see it from developer point of view mainly as I see.
A) I don't know. May be but as I see much less G related problem was reported than U.
B) May be but Volte is not as wide spreaded in EU as in US. as far as I know. Otherwise It looks that workaroud (if not the final solution) for signal issue of US model is turning Volte off, so you can get in same boat easily.
C) I don't know how important it is for avaradge users. Orherwise it is also software fearure if I understand it well.
D) You are lucky. Not eveeybody can say that US bands cover of his/her country exactly.
E) Just because of this fact US version is not better. It is only cheaper.
F) It is strange because mostly US users complain for signal reception. I haven't had any issue with. G. It works perfectly and expectedly in big city as well as low signal country area. As I mentioned earlier it looks that workaroud (if not the final solution) for signal issue of US model is turning Volte off.
Also I read that overwriting field APN manually can solve few cell issues. I did it due to orher reason and I don't have any issue.
So after all you didn't mentioned anything why U would be better for users except Volte. It is just your taste and chance to get it cheaper.
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Thanks for the details. You see it from developer point of view mainly as I see.
A) I don't know. May be but as I see much less G related problem was reported than U.
B) May be but Volte is not as wide spreaded in EU as in US. as far as I know. Otherwise It looks that workaroud (if not the final solution) for signal issue of US model is turning Volte off, so you can get in same boat easily.
C) I don't know how important it is for avaradge users. Orherwise it is also software fearure if I understand it well.
D) You are lucky. Not eveeybody can say that US bands cover of his/her country exactly.
E) Just because of this fact US version is not better. It is only cheaper.
F) It is strange because mostly US users complain for signal reception. I haven't had any issue with. G. It works perfectly and expectedly in big city as well as low signal country area. As I mentioned earlier it looks that workaroud (if not the final solution) for signal issue of US model is turning Volte off.
Also I read that overwriting field APN manually can solve few cell issues. I did it due to orher reason and I don't have any issue.
So after all you didn't mentioned anything why U would be better for users except Volte. It is just your taste and chance to get it cheaper.
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That's why I said it's only a few points for _me_ and not for _all_ users.
And as I have a chance to get all those pros for the same price in the end it is a no brainer.
Also I do not believe that the antenna is so much different to the G model. It is more likely that a few batches had a bad antenna build-in and when ZTE realized that, due to complains, new batches after the affected one's were sent off, were all build with a better antenna in place.
The Chinese and US Models were on the first batches. The international ones were produced later. Look into Chinese forums complaining about reception problems.
Unfortunate it is how the greedy corporate industry world works today. Sell those affected phones until enough users complain. If they complain, offer an exchange. If they don't they made profit.
Just look at the Samsung Note 7 disaster. Same **** is happening there.
Not to mention Samsungs Panel Lottery for their TV which has been going on for a decade.
I worked for Huawei Europe HQ and could write a book about how corporations do their quality check behind the doors. Just saying I'm never gone touch a Huawei phone because of what I know.
(Don't ask I signed an nondisclosure agreement.)
In the end it's on you to decide if you want to keep the phone or not. Or if you want to pay 399$ with more pros or 449euro for more cons.
Isn't the chinese A2017 model better than the rest? I mean... like, you know... 6gb RAM vs 4gb... 128gb internal vs 64... and you can use all the U unlocks/tools w/ no issue?
Seems that many of you forget that having US version in Europe you are out of warranty.
To many customers warranty is very important to them.
Also EU has 3 years warranty policy while US 2 years.
I'm having a month now both gold and gray G version and no reception /WiFi issue at all.
Compared to my S7 Edge the call reception is the same level and WiFi is better.
Also G version will have in coming weeks official root and boot loader unlocked from ZTE without loosing the warranty.
Even that US version is getting first the official software updates it's just matter of time(less than 1 month) until G version also received the software update for the specific region(Europe)
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Just curious does the u model comes from the ZTE USA down in texas? I presumed warranty is by them as well?
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That's why I said it's only a few points for _me_ and not for _all_ users.
And as I have a chance to get all those pros for the same price in the end it is a no brainer.
Also I do not believe that the antenna is so much different to the G model. It is more likely that a few batches had a bad antenna build-in and when ZTE realized that, due to complains, new batches after the affected one's were sent off, were all build with a better antenna in place.
The Chinese and US Models were on the first batches. The international ones were produced later. Look into Chinese forums complaining about reception problems.
Unfortunate it is how the greedy corporate industry world works today. Sell those affected phones until enough users complain. If they complain, offer an exchange. If they don't they made profit.
Just look at the Samsung Note 7 disaster. Same **** is happening there.
Not to mention Samsungs Panel Lottery for their TV which has been going on for a decade.
I worked for Huawei Europe HQ and could write a book about how corporations do their quality check behind the doors. Just saying I'm never gone touch a Huawei phone because of what I know.
(Don't ask I signed an nondisclosure agreement.)
In the end it's on you to decide if you want to keep the phone or not. Or if you want to pay 399$ with more pros or 449euro for more cons.
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You could be right. That's how the world works. You also are not enemy of your money as well as no one else.
Regarding the price I would say that EU price contains the average 21% EU VAT. So it means that price of EU version would be between $410 or 415 in US. So it is not a big deal. Also I think that EU citizens should pay duty if they import from US but it is already off topic.
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Isn't the chinese A2017 model better than the rest? I mean... like, you know... 6gb RAM vs 4gb... 128gb internal vs 64... and you can use all the U unlocks/tools w/ no issue?
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No, bad band support.
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Also I think that EU citizens should pay duty if they import from US but it is already off topic.
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They do. Just not on specific electronics like Notebooks, Computer Hardware, Cell phones etc
Oddly enough, amazon has also stopped selling the phone. I guess it could just be sold out though.
Hm, still "in stock" at amazon.com:
https://www.amazon.com/ZTE-Axon-unl...TF8&qid=1476347129&sr=8-3&keywords=zte+axon+7
Amazon.com has gold for $399.98, but the grey (which is what I want...) is $479.00. What gives???
i had HD calls and volte in my Galaxy S9+ but i dont think it works on M20P
is it supported and if it is how do i enable it?
According to PDADB, the phone CAN do this...for both CN and Global versions 128/256:
http://phonedb.net/index.php?m=devi..._128gb_lya-lx9__lya-l29__lya-l0c__huawei_laya
I believe Huawei firmware HIDES the toggle of voLTE by default...but should work automatically when your device is connected over 4G LTE. My limited understanding is - by default it's already enabled, as its dependent on your location and carrier, too.
So, if you think it requires activating, which i don't think is the case, here's what P10 users did:
https://www.solvemix.com/index.php/android-smartphones/1778-huawei-p10-volte-making-calls-solved
If for whatever reason you think it's NOT activated or not working and want to visually SEE the toggle (and enable if disabled) then the following process requires ROOT access which you current'y don't have on your phone, unless you have a chinese ROM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUfmiDBPczw&t=6s
There, you can use an app like ES File Explorer and add a line of code in the BUILD.PROP file...It worked perfectly fine on my P10+ and my "VoLTE Calls" setting now shows and was automatically switched to ON.
Google and YouTube are your friends dude.
RoOSTA
VoLTE is activated by default on Mate 20 Pro, at least on the French ROM.
Can anyone on Optus in Australia confirm if VoLTE works via a non-Optus purchased Mate 20 Pro?
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Follow here for more info.
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If this response was in relation to my Optus question, thank you, but I'm not sure how that topic that refers to T-Mobile US relates Optus AU.... I have actually been following that thread and in my opinion M20Pro VoLTE won't work in US due to the carriers not supporting Mate 20 Pro full stop.
VoLTE is still not a defined standard hence carriers must enable specific devices for VoLTE and a device often must have carrier specific firmware on the phone for it to work. I assume VoLTE does work with Optus since they are offering the phone but hoping for confirmation.
To be more specific, I'm looking to purchase a Mate 20 Pro soon. I'd rather buy from JB Hi-Fi for the (hopefully) speedier firmware updates direct from Huawei but if VoLTE is confirmed working with Optus, and the only way to get VoLTE working is via purchasing the phone from Optus, then I would do that.
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If this response was in relation to my Optus question, thank you, but I'm not sure how that topic that refers to T-Mobile US relates Optus AU.... I have actually been following that thread and in my opinion M20Pro VoLTE won't work in US due to the carriers not supporting Mate 20 Pro full stop.
VoLTE is still not a defined standard hence carriers must enable specific devices for VoLTE and a device often must have carrier specific firmware on the phone for it to work. I assume VoLTE does work with Optus since they are offering the phone but hoping for confirmation.
To be more specific, I'm looking to purchase a Mate 20 Pro soon. I'd rather buy from JB Hi-Fi for the (hopefully) speedier firmware updates direct from Huawei but if VoLTE is confirmed working with Optus, and the only way to get VoLTE working is via purchasing the phone from Optus, then I would do that.
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Hi ero,
This is just in response to some of the general questions in this thread.
What is Optus anyway?
Oh ok it's an Australian phone retailer.
Yeah that would be awesome if you could do that. Good luck man!!
Unless the Dual SIM has T-Mobile VoLTE, I'm screwed if I want the Mate 20 Pro though! lol Just sux. Part of me wants to say F it and just get it anyway, but not having access to like Band 12 sux. My area (Chicagoland) is about to get Band 71 as well from T-Mobile, and of course these phones don't have that either. FML! lol
roosta said:
According to PDADB, the phone CAN do this...for both CN and Global versions 128/256:
http://phonedb.net/index.php?m=devi..._128gb_lya-lx9__lya-l29__lya-l0c__huawei_laya
I believe Huawei firmware HIDES the toggle of voLTE by default...but should work automatically when your device is connected over 4G LTE. My limited understanding is - by default it's already enabled, as its dependent on your location and carrier, too.
So, if you think it requires activating, which i don't think is the case, here's what P10 users did:
https://www.solvemix.com/index.php/android-smartphones/1778-huawei-p10-volte-making-calls-solved
If for whatever reason you think it's NOT activated or not working and want to visually SEE the toggle (and enable if disabled) then the following process requires ROOT access which you current'y don't have on your phone, unless you have a chinese ROM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUfmiDBPczw&t=6s
There, you can use an app like ES File Explorer and add a line of code in the BUILD.PROP file...It worked perfectly fine on my P10+ and my "VoLTE Calls" setting now shows and was automatically switched to ON.
Google and YouTube are your friends dude.
RoOSTA
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I got this on..
But im not sure its the same the hd calls on S9+ sounded amazing
I really want to know how to enable it for Optus
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Hi ero,
This is just in response to some of the general questions in this thread.
What is Optus anyway?
Oh ok it's an Australian phone retailer.
Yeah that would be awesome if you could do that. Good luck man!!
Unless the Dual SIM has T-Mobile VoLTE, I'm screwed if I want the Mate 20 Pro though! lol Just sux. Part of me wants to say F it and just get it anyway, but not having access to like Band 12 sux. My area (Chicagoland) is about to get Band 71 as well from T-Mobile, and of course these phones don't have that either. FML! lol
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I'm in Chicago on T-Mobile (via MintSim) and Volte is not currently working on my Mate 20 Pro. But I also have a P20 Pro (which like the Mate 20 Pro isn't sold or supported in the USA) and Volte works fine on that phone with the same sim card. I had a similar issue with the Mix 2 (Volte) and Mix 2S (no Volte) but on Xiaomi phones there is a way to force enable Volte by entering a dial code. There doesn't appear to be anything similar with Huawei, unfortunately.
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I'm in Chicago on T-Mobile (via MintSim) and Volte is not currently working on my Mate 20 Pro. But I also have a P20 Pro (which like the Mate 20 Pro isn't sold or supported in the USA) and Volte works fine on that phone with the same sim card. I had a similar issue with the Mix 2 (Volte) and Mix 2S (no Volte) but on Xiaomi phones there is a way to force enable Volte by entering a dial code. There doesn't appear to be anything similar with Huawei, unfortunately.
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my 10 pro has it but my 20 pro doesnt. Same tmo usa here. im going back tothe 10 pro as the 20 pro is going back to clove.
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I'm in Chicago on T-Mobile (via MintSim) and Volte is not currently working on my Mate 20 Pro. But I also have a P20 Pro (which like the Mate 20 Pro isn't sold or supported in the USA) and Volte works fine on that phone with the same sim card. I had a similar issue with the Mix 2 (Volte) and Mix 2S (no Volte) but on Xiaomi phones there is a way to force enable Volte by entering a dial code. There doesn't appear to be anything similar with Huawei, unfortunately.
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Man, how many subsidiaries does T-Mobile have now?? lol They just bought Metro PCS too (now it will be called T-Mobile "Metro").
Yeah I just verified in the T-Mobile forum that the L29 Dual SIM ALSO DOESN'T have VoLTE either on T-Mobile. F'ing sux!!
Yeah I had verified last week that the P20 Pro has it on T-Mobile, but at this point I'd prefer to have the newer model, or just wait until the P30 Pro comes out next spring. Hopefully THAT has VoLTE AND Band 71 too!!!
I'm so tired of having to always check on this for unlocked phones. It just ends up limiting my options, which I really DON'T appreciate, at all.
Really? Wow. I WISH Sony and Huawei had that force enable code for VoLTE too. That would be awesome! I've noticed (and confirmed) that all 2018 locked phones from T-Mobile still have VoLTE, but it's been removed from the settings and "baked" in, so you can't turn it off. Of course you can still make a call and verify you have it as the call of course stays in 4G LTE the entire time. But yeah.........that's the story with the S9+ which my cousin has, the OnePlus 6T which I just bought from them. I was about to complain to T-Mobile lol but then I saw something on their site that explained all that.
I just really resent that I have to choose between the #1 camera phone and if I want great reception or not on my phone. It shouldn't be that way. Not fair at all. And I know it's all b/c our government thinks they and ZTE are spying on us. But I simply haven't seen enough proof to verify any of that.
No VoLTE support from Telstra in Australia either. I had it enabled on on my Pixel XL (stock unbranded firmware), which is the same sim card that is now in my Mate 20 Pro, but yeah no dice! Telstra has a list of mobiles that they currently support but it's only phones that they currently sell.
Apple iPhone 6 onwards, Apple Watch 3 onwards
Samsung Galaxy devices, S7 onwards, Note 5 onwards, A5 onwards
Google Pixel devices
LG devices G5 onwards
Telstra Signature Premium & Enhanced devices
Sony devices Xperia Z5 onwards
So I really have my doubts whether they will ever support Huawei phones. Which is really annoying because I was just starting to really love RCS messaging on my Pixel.
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Man, how many subsidiaries does T-Mobile have now?? lol They just bought Metro PCS too (now it will be called T-Mobile "Metro").
Yeah I just verified in the T-Mobile forum that the L29 Dual SIM ALSO DOESN'T have VoLTE either on T-Mobile. F'ing sux!!
Yeah I had verified last week that the P20 Pro has it on T-Mobile, but at this point I'd prefer to have the newer model, or just wait until the P30 Pro comes out next spring. Hopefully THAT has VoLTE AND Band 71 too!!!
I'm so tired of having to always check on this for unlocked phones. It just ends up limiting my options, which I really DON'T appreciate, at all.
Really? Wow. I WISH Sony and Huawei had that force enable code for VoLTE too. That would be awesome! I've noticed (and confirmed) that all 2018 locked phones from T-Mobile still have VoLTE, but it's been removed from the settings and "baked" in, so you can't turn it off. Of course you can still make a call and verify you have it as the call of course stays in 4G LTE the entire time. But yeah.........that's the story with the S9+ which my cousin has, the OnePlus 6T which I just bought from them. I was about to complain to T-Mobile lol but then I saw something on their site that explained all that.
I just really resent that I have to choose between the #1 camera phone and if I want great reception or not on my phone. It shouldn't be that way. Not fair at all. And I know it's all b/c our government thinks they and ZTE are spying on us. But I simply haven't seen enough proof to verify any of that.
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TMobile doesn't own MintSim. MintSim is a budget MVNO that pays for use of the TMobile network. I don't really think TMobile is blocking access to Volte for the Mate 20 Pro for political reasons either or they would have done the same thing to the P20 Pro. The fake controversy involving our president and Huawei happened before the Mate 10 came out and there's no question that it was politically motivated nonsense or Canada, the United Kingdom and all of Europe wouldn't allow Huawei phones to be sold by any carrier in the country who wants to offer them.
OnePlus and Blue are the only Chinese phone brands that have ever been caught putting spyware on phones sold in the United States. One Plus has been caught multiple times. Do you see any action being taken against either brand by the White House?
Volte compatibility with TMobile could be fixed in a software update from Huawei but since they are no longer selling their phones here I wouldn't count on it.
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TMobile doesn't own MintSim. MintSim is a budget MVNO that pays for use of the TMobile network. I don't really think TMobile is blocking access to Volte for the Mate 20 Pro for political reasons either or they would have done the same thing to the P20 Pro. The fake controversy involving our president and Huawei happened before the Mate 10 came out and there's no question that it was politically motivated nonsense or Canada, the United Kingdom and all of Europe wouldn't allow Huawei phones to be sold by any carrier in the country who wants to offer them.
OnePlus and Blue are the only Chinese phone brands that have ever been caught putting spyware on phones sold in the United States. One Plus has been caught multiple times. Do you see any action being taken against either brand by the White House?
Volte compatibility with TMobile could be fixed in a software update from Huawei but since they are no longer selling their phones here I wouldn't count on it.
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Oh ok. Yeah I don't know what the real story is. Maybe Huawei got the P20 Pro certified but decided not to do it for the Mate 20 Pro cuz it lost confidence in it selling well in the U.S.?
No I haven't seen any action. Only Huawei & ZTE have been named. And then I read that ZTE paid Trump $500 million as an investment in some new hotel resort he's opening up IN CHINA and then suddenly after that he decided they were no longer a threat. lol F'ing politics!!
Yeah I don't think the Mate 20 Pro will EVER get that update. lol So for now I'll happily keep my T-Mo OnePlus 6T with modded GCam app (aka same software used on the Pixel phones) and see what Huawei (and Sony) do in 2019.
This comparison vid is interesting.
To me, it seems that the Pixel 3 is better for daytime shots and tends to be seemingly more color accurate as well, while the Mate 20 Pro wins out for night shots. But Pixel 3 has a ****ty battery and I'm not big on its looks, and the Mate 20 Pro.............no VoLTE no access to Band 12 during calls, and also no Band 71. Such BS!!
RockStar2005 said:
Oh ok. Yeah I don't know what the real story is. Maybe Huawei got the P20 Pro certified but decided not to do it for the Mate 20 Pro cuz it lost confidence in it selling well in the U.S.?
No I haven't seen any action. Only Huawei & ZTE have been named. And then I read that ZTE paid Trump $500 million as an investment in some new hotel resort he's opening up IN CHINA and then suddenly after that he decided they were no longer a threat. lol F'ing politics!!
Yeah I don't think the Mate 20 Pro will EVER get that update. lol So for now I'll happily keep my T-Mo OnePlus 6T with modded GCam app (aka same software used on the Pixel phones) and see what Huawei (and Sony) do in 2019.
This comparison vid is interesting.
To me, it seems that the Pixel 3 is better for daytime shots and tends to be seemingly more color accurate as well, while the Mate 20 Pro wins out for night shots. But Pixel 3 has a ****ty battery and I'm not big on its looks, and the Mate 20 Pro.............no VoLTE no access to Band 12 during calls, and also no Band 71. Such BS!!
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Pixel phones have terrible build quality and lots of problems you mostly don't find out about unless you go to the official Google Pixel Support Site. They cost twice what they should at launch. I would steer clear of Pixel Phones or at least go to the official Google site and read owner comments. Owners are frequently shocked by the poor quality and many serious issues since they read nothing but fantastic things in places like XDA and Android Authority.
I learned this the hard way personally after having been a huge Nexus fan but the Pixel Phones feel much less premium than the Nexus phones in terms of build quality and design and list for twice as much.
The Pixel XL ran so hot Google support strongly suggested using it without a case and the phones suffered in very large numbers from permanent hardware failure dubbed the black screen of death which was comparable to the bootloop of death on the Nexus 5X and Nexus 6P.
XDA, Android Authority and Android Police have never written a single word about those problems.
The Pixel 2 had a problem from launch where taking pictures would crash the phone, requiring a reboot. XDA, Android Authority and Android Police didn't write about the problem until 8 months after launch--when Google officially acknowledged the issue and released a software fix.
The oleophobic screen coating on the Pixel 2XL display (which is what prevents oil smudges and difficult to clean fingerprints on smartphone displays) started to wear off after less than 6 months of use. I have never owned any phone where that ever happened and the Pixel 2XL is supposedly a $1000 premium phone.
Those are only a few examples.
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Pixel phones have terrible build quality and lots of problems you mostly don't find out about unless you go to the official Google Pixel Support Site. They cost twice what they should at launch. I would steer clear of Pixel Phones or at least go to the official Google site and read owner comments. Owners are frequently shocked by the poor quality and many serious issues since they read nothing but fantastic things in places like XDA and Android Authority.
I learned this the hard way personally after having been a huge Nexus fan but the Pixel Phones feel much less premium than the Nexus phones in terms of build quality and design and list for twice as much.
The Pixel XL ran so hot Google support strongly suggested using it without a case and the phones suffered in very large numbers from permanent hardware failure dubbed the black screen of death which was comparable to the bootloop of death on the Nexus 5X and Nexus 6P.
XDA, Android Authority and Android Police have never written a single word about those problems.
The Pixel 2 had a problem from launch where taking pictures would crash the phone, requiring a reboot. XDA, Android Authority and Android Police didn't write about the problem until 8 months after launch--when Google officially acknowledged the issue and released a software fix.
The oleophobic screen coating on the Pixel 2XL display (which is what prevents oil smudges and difficult to clean fingerprints on smartphone displays) started to wear off after less than 6 months of use. I have never owned any phone where that ever happened and the Pixel 2XL is supposedly a $1000 premium phone.
Those are only a few examples.
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Yeah I won't buy Pixel ever I think. I have a friend who bought the 3 XL and returned it b/c he said battery life was awful. GSM Arena confirmed this on at least the 3 (69 hours, ouch!).
I've heard some bad things about the Pixels, but WOW! You have really opened my eyes here jhs! Thank you for sharing this information.
I will just continue to use my new T-Mo 6T with GCam mod. I'm very happy with the phone overall! Next year I will very likely (though not def) upgrade to either the Huawei P30 Pro, or else any of the following are possible: Sony Xperia XZ4 Premium, Samsung S10+, maybe iPhone too, or else OnePlus 7. We shall see. Right now I'm siding towards the P30 Pro.
I WOULD'VE prob bought the Mate 20 Pro if it had T-Mo VoLTE (it doesn't, unlike older P20 Pro) and preferably also Band 71, which T-Mobile is about to deploy all over Chicagoland (where I live) by year's end.
Along with a lot of you I was hoping Xiaomi would release the global version of the Redmi K20 Pro/Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro on Wednesday, June 12th, along with the release of the global version of the Xiaomi Mi 9T in Europe. As we know it didn't happen. I live in the United States so need the global version of these phones as they have more frequency bands opened up. Earlier today I was reading comments on the GSMArena website mentioning delays as to when that may happen. I can't verify any of this, but beside the editorial comments, it sounds like it's coming from someone who knows (or maybe a competitor). Here are the comments from TechNews:
12 Jun 2019
Guys I have a bad news for you.
Apparently, someone in Xiaomi revealed that Redmi K20 pro or the Mi 9T pro won't be launch globally, not in Jun nor July. Why? Because they ran out of stock. Qualcomm cannot meet with the heavy demand of phone manufacturers that wants their SD855 chips, and this affect Xiaomi that relies on high number of sales to cover for profit. This all happened because Xiaomi sold over 200 000 units of K20 pro on the 1st day of their launch and now, they only have few left.. manufacturing more to meet the global demand would require 2 months at least and thats why the probability of this k20 pro to launch globally in July is slim.. if there is any, there would only be the lowest version, 6gb ram and 64/128gb rom.
I know it sucks. So for those who cannot wait, just buy something else. K20 pro is not worth the wait.
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Further info for this, Xiaomi Malaysia just revealed that the earliest they can launch the Mi 9T Pro is late August. Xiaomi India also confirms that they will only bring in the Redmi K20 during July launch, and sadly no K20 pro for India. Expected launch of k20 pro is also late August for india. The only choice for those who can't wait for 2 months, is to buy the bloatware-full China version K20 pro with only a few number of units left available.. Then again, I suggest you guys look at other phones. By the time k20 pro or the Mi 9T pro launch globally, there will be a number of other flagship killer that surpass it's specs. Just like what happened to poco f1. I'm not trying to ruin xiaomi, but this is just the truth.. this is how they play with the market.. they hold the global launch, and only few weeks after the launch, they will bring in another better specd smartphone, again, only exclusive for China, and continue doing the same thing, over and over...
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Along with a lot of you I was hoping Xiaomi would release the global version of the Redmi K20 Pro/Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro on Wednesday, June 12th, along with the release of the global version of the Xiaomi Mi 9T in Europe. As we know it didn't happen. I live in the United States so need the global version of these phones as they have more frequency bands opened up. Earlier today I was reading comments on the GSMArena website mentioning delays as to when that may happen. I can't verify any of this, but beside the editorial comments, it sounds like it's coming from someone who knows (or maybe a competitor). Here are the comments from TechNews:
12 Jun 2019
Guys I have a bad news for you.
Apparently, someone in Xiaomi revealed that Redmi K20 pro or the Mi 9T pro won't be launch globally, not in Jun nor July. Why? Because they ran out of stock. Qualcomm cannot meet with the heavy demand of phone manufacturers that wants their SD855 chips, and this affect Xiaomi that relies on high number of sales to cover for profit. This all happened because Xiaomi sold over 200 000 units of K20 pro on the 1st day of their launch and now, they only have few left.. manufacturing more to meet the global demand would require 2 months at least and thats why the probability of this k20 pro to launch globally in July is slim.. if there is any, there would only be the lowest version, 6gb ram and 64/128gb rom.
I know it sucks. So for those who cannot wait, just buy something else. K20 pro is not worth the wait.
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Further info for this, Xiaomi Malaysia just revealed that the earliest they can launch the Mi 9T Pro is late August. Xiaomi India also confirms that they will only bring in the Redmi K20 during July launch, and sadly no K20 pro for India. Expected launch of k20 pro is also late August for india. The only choice for those who can't wait for 2 months, is to buy the bloatware-full China version K20 pro with only a few number of units left available.. Then again, I suggest you guys look at other phones. By the time k20 pro or the Mi 9T pro launch globally, there will be a number of other flagship killer that surpass it's specs. Just like what happened to poco f1. I'm not trying to ruin xiaomi, but this is just the truth.. this is how they play with the market.. they hold the global launch, and only few weeks after the launch, they will bring in another better specd smartphone, again, only exclusive for China, and continue doing the same thing, over and over...
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Yes sounds about right,I was interested in the mi 9 when it was first announced,then that disappeared for a few months,now the k20 pro is disappearing as well,
Dont they know demand is highest when a new device is first announced,ah well on to the next one, Poco f2 perhaps
I live in Canada and I have ordered one from AliExpress Chinese version 8/256 GB . Let's see how well it works
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I live in Canada and I have ordered one from AliExpress Chinese version 8/256 GB . Let's see how well it works
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You don't have to guess. Scroll down the page and set the Network Compatibility to Canada to see your carrier and you'll know. Same for other countries. https://www.kimovil.com/en/where-to-buy-xiaomi-redmi-k20-pro-8gb-256gb-cn I have AT&T in the US which just has 1 band available. The global Xiaomi Mi 9T has 3 bands.
BTW I'd get that same phone too if the global version was the same price. But it may cost close to $100 USD more than the Chinese version you bought. Even the Xiaomi Mi 9T global version of the Redmi K20 for the 6GB/128GB will be $416 USD. While the Chinese version sells for $354 USD.
Kinda skeptical about this, because obviously Mi prepared ample stock here in China, for all variants and all colors. Unlike past Xiaomi flagships, ever since its release, most of the variants are outright available for purchase everyday on every platform (save for 8+256 on certain sites), even now. To me it looks like we're way past the shortage of SD855 and Xiaomi is ready to deliver 24/7.
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Kinda skeptical about this, because obviously Mi prepared ample stock here in China, for all variants and all colors. Unlike past Xiaomi flagships, ever since its release, most of the variants are outright available for purchase everyday on every platform (save for 8+256 on certain sites), even now. To me it looks like we're way past the shortage of SD855 and Xiaomi is ready to deliver 24/7.
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Yeah but when you say "most of the variants are available for purchase every day" that doesn't include a global version, which hasn't been released, and is the one I need for extra frequency bands. I don't know about the chip shortage. Sounds possible as they've already sold a ton of these phones. But I'll just wait and see how things play out. Hopefully the global version, if and when it's released, will be affordable. If it's in the $500 + USD range I certainly won't refer to it as a "flagship killer".
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You don't have to guess. Scroll down the page and set the Network Compatibility to Canada to see your carrier and you'll know. Same for other countries. https://www.kimovil.com/en/where-to-buy-xiaomi-redmi-k20-pro-8gb-256gb-cn I have AT&T in the US which just has 1 band available. The global Xiaomi Mi 9T has 3 bands.
BTW I'd get that same phone too if the global version was the same price. But it may cost close to $100 USD more than the Chinese version you bought. Even the Xiaomi Mi 9T global version of the Redmi K20 for the 6GB/128GB will be $416 USD. While the Chinese version sells for $354 USD.
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I had the pocophone F1 which had similar bands and the necessary missing LTE bands . But it worked flawlessly on Rogers /Telus with full LTE coverage and no loss in speeds. I travelled to remote areas with no loss in connectivity.
If pocophone F1 was fine , I don't see no reason why k20 pro will perform any worse.
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I had the pocophone F1 which had similar bands and the necessary missing LTE bands . But it worked flawlessly on Rogers /Telus with full LTE coverage and no loss in speeds. I travelled to remote areas with no loss in connectivity.
If pocophone F1 was fine , I don't see no reason why k20 pro will perform any worse.
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Thanks for sharing that. That's interesting. I just looked up your info for both phones and actually the connectivity is the same with the B7 (2600) band the one available in Canada for your carrier. Please keep us updated on how that goes. I had bought a Redmi Note 7 Pro from a Chinese seller on eBay but ended up returning it by forwarding it to someone else he sold it too as I was afraid it wouldn't work because of the band restrictions. And returning things to China from the US is a major expensive hassle. I wish this would become available on Amazon. They have a 30 day full refund policy as long as the sale is fulfilled by them. That way if it didn't work I could just return it. But they never did carry the Redmi Note 7 Pro as it wasn't the global version, so they may not carry this one either. We'll see what happens. Has anyone here ever returned anything to AliExpress or any of the companies selling this now? How did the return go? Thanks.
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Thanks for sharing that. That's interesting. I just looked up your info for both phones and actually the connectivity is the same with the B7 (2600) band the one available in Canada for your carrier. Please keep us updated on how that goes. I had bought a Redmi Note 7 Pro from a Chinese seller on eBay but ended up returning it by forwarding it to someone else he sold it too as I was afraid it wouldn't work because of the band restrictions. And returning things to China from the US is a major expensive hassle. I wish this would become available on Amazon. They have a 30 day full refund policy as long as the sale is fulfilled by them. That way if it didn't work I could just return it. But they never did carry the Redmi Note 7 Pro as it wasn't the global version, so they may not carry this one either. We'll see what happens. Has anyone here ever returned anything to AliExpress or any of the companies selling this now? How did the return go? Thanks.
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I am planning to do a review as soon I get the phone . Hopefully it works as expected especially after spending close to CAD $700
Unfortunately AliExpress doesn't return phones unless they are DOA. Even than there is not guarantee the sellers will take phone back.
After doing a bit of research I see that my network in Ireland is only giving me 3g hspa+ speeds because it is s smaller network that only uses one of the country s bigger networks Three Ireland,I see the k20 pro support the bands I need,
I'm still a bit hesitant,I should have no problem rite,without band 20,Having never imported a phone before,
What else should I be looking for ?
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After doing a bit of research I see that my network in Ireland is only giving me 3g hspa+ speeds because it is s smaller network that only uses one of the country s bigger networks Three Ireland,I see the k20 pro support the bands I need,
I'm still a bit hesitant,I should have no problem rite,without band 20,Having never imported a phone before,
What else should I be looking for ?
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I couldn't tell you for sure. But I did look this up too and Three Ireland gets band B3 (1800) 4G with this phone. But that's the only band. But with the global version of the Redmi K20/Xiaomi Mi 9T announced on Wednesday, Three Ireland gets B3 (1800) and B20 (800) and it's less expensive. https://www.kimovil.com/en/where-to-buy-xiaomi-mi-9t-6gb-128gb If you don't know you can look up the differences in these two phones which are discussed in many places like GSM Arena, many videos on YouTube, etc. I've considered that phone too. So we'll see how things unfold. There's no guarantee they'll release a global version of this phone. Haven't heard any announcements one way or the other.
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I couldn't tell you for sure. But I did look this up too and Three Ireland gets band B3 (1800) 4G with this phone. But that's the only band. But with the global version of the Redmi K20/Xiaomi Mi 9T announced on Wednesday, Three Ireland gets B3 (1800) and B20 (800) and it's less expensive. https://www.kimovil.com/en/where-to-buy-xiaomi-mi-9t-6gb-128gb If you don't know you can look up the differences in these two phones which are discussed in many places like GSM Arena, many videos on YouTube, etc. I've considered that phone too. So we'll see how things unfold. There's no guarantee they'll release a global version of this phone. Haven't heard any announcements one way or the other.
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Yea,seems the global is not happening or at least not any time soon,The 9T is appealing also,but am certainly used to my flagship performance at this stage and there would be a bit of a downgrade there,my current 6T has 6/128,Am only interested in the xiaomi for the cameras mostly,bigger battery,better fingerprint. Would certainly like the extra ram)storage 8/256 if possible,
Anyway,think I might hold off for a few months to see what happens,maybe the Poco f2 will be similar to the k20 pro.Will wait and see
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After doing a bit of research I see that my network in Ireland is only giving me 3g hspa+ speeds because it is s smaller network that only uses one of the country s bigger networks Three Ireland,I see the k20 pro support the bands I need,
I'm still a bit hesitant,I should have no problem rite,without band 20,Having never imported a phone before,
What else should I be looking for ?
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Just looking at the 3 major mobile networks of Ireland, they all use a good mix of LTE bands 1, 3, 8 and 20. Only band 20 is missing from the K20 Pro, so I'd be very surprised if you had issues with connectivity. Bands 8 and 20 are relatively low frequency bands, these are more 'robust' and can travel longer distances and penetrate walls better, but they have lower bandwidth, so have slower speeds. They are generally used, when a network has a mix of low and high frequency bands, in more rural areas or to give extra coverage in heavily built areas where some substantial buildings could stop line of sight to many areas. If band 20 was the only low frequency band available to you, then you might have trouble out in the sticks, but having band 8 should keep you covered in all areas.
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Just looking at the 3 major mobile networks of Ireland, they all use a good mix of LTE bands 1, 3, 8 and 20. Only band 20 is missing from the K20 Pro, so I'd be very surprised if you had issues with connectivity. Bands 8 and 20 are relatively low frequency bands, these are more 'robust' and can travel longer distances and penetrate walls better, but they have lower bandwidth, so have slower speeds. They are generally used, when a network has a mix of low and high frequency bands, in more rural areas or to give extra coverage in heavily built areas where some substantial buildings could stop line of sight to many areas. If band 20 was the only low frequency band available to you, then you might have trouble out in the sticks, but having band 8 should keep you covered in all areas.
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Thanks for the reply,but seems where I am rural Ireland base 20 is important somewhat but I'm not sure I'm not it would affect me too much,I would be happy now buying the phone based on it not having base 20,
I've since been looking at other videos and my new concern is being stuck with a Chinese rom filled with bloat. Im quite happy with my 6T now in terms of software and I know I can rely on OTAs and future Android versions,I'm not one for tinkering my phone's much these days and need the phone to be useable at all times. Think being stuck on the Chinese rom might drive me crazy,I know you can remove the bloat fairly easily but am worried about OTAs and support which I think is important for any phone
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Thanks for the reply,but seems where I am rural Ireland base 20 is important somewhat but I'm not sure I'm not it would affect me too much,I would be happy now buying the phone based on it not having base 20,
I've since been looking at other videos and my new concern is being stuck with a Chinese rom filled with bloat. Im quite happy with my 6T now in terms of software and I know I can rely on OTAs and future Android versions,I'm not one for tinkering my phone's much these days and need the phone to be useable at all times. Think being stuck on the Chinese rom might drive me crazy,I know you can remove the bloat fairly easily but am worried about OTAs and support which I think is important for any phone
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Xiaomi.eu should have a global ROM out soon, if it's not already. They remove all bloat and adds and make MIUI more bearable. A few months down the line and you'll see more alternative ROMS. I'm sure LineageOS will have an official build along the way, they have nightly builds with OTA.
What about k20 pro in germany?
In that website, I can see that K20 pro supports 4 out of 6 bands in Germany. (B20 and B32 are missing in the device). Will this be a problem in germany?
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In that website, I can see that K20 pro supports 4 out of 6 bands in Germany. (B20 and B32 are missing in the device). Will this be a problem in germany?
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Depends on carrier and city. I need B20 for the O² net.
Is there any way to unlock the full LTE frequencies on the K20 Pro on the China version (especially B20)?
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Xiaomi.eu should have a global ROM out soon, if it's not already. They remove all bloat and adds and make MIUI more bearable. A few months down the line and you'll see more alternative ROMS. I'm sure LineageOS will have an official build along the way, they have nightly builds with OTA.
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No too sure about this.They've already canceled global beta
Why would they release a global rom for a phone they're not releasing globally possible but certainly not definite
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No too sure about this.They've already canceled global beta
Why would they release a global rom for a phone they're not releasing globally possible but certainly not definite
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Xiaomi.eu are an unofficial group of MIUI fans who create global versions of MIUI. They take the stock Chinese MIUI ROMS, remove bloat and unnecessary Chinese apps, add multiple languages and a whole host of other customizations and release it to the world. It is all done by a dedicated development team off volunteers. It's not actually done by Xiaomi, although I believe Xiaomi do collaborate with them occasionally.
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Xiaomi.eu are an unofficial group of MIUI fans who create global versions of MIUI. They take the stock Chinese MIUI ROMS, remove bloat and unnecessary Chinese apps, add multiple languages and a whole host of other customizations and release it to the world. It is all done by a dedicated development team off volunteers. It's not actually done by Xiaomi, although I believe Xiaomi do collaborate with them occasionally.
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Oh Ok ,cheers ,didn't know that ,good to know
Hi, sorry if there's an answer somewhere already but I'm quite confused with whether or not the regular P6 has UWB?
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The Google Pixel 6 Pro is a fantastic everyday phone with an undeniable Exynos inspiration, though that isn't a bad thing. Read our review!
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This link says it does, from November. Many of google news regarding digital car key says Pixel 6 is supported, and that I believe that uses UWB right??
But gsmarena and many other who ask the same questions, and other articles says it does not have UWB, that only the P6 pro has it.
Also, I am referring to the short range UWB for tracking Tile Ultra or android digital car key, not the Verizon UWB 5G. Or are they the exact same?
Thanks for any clarification.
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Hi, sorry if there's an answer somewhere already but I'm quite confused with whether or not the regular P6 has UWB?
Google Pixel 6 Pro Review: Fantastic everyday phone with an undeniable Exynos inspiration
The Google Pixel 6 Pro is a fantastic everyday phone with an undeniable Exynos inspiration, though that isn't a bad thing. Read our review!
www.xda-developers.com
This link says it does, from November. Many of google news regarding digital car key says Pixel 6 is supported, and that I believe that uses UWB right??
But gsmarena and many other who ask the same questions, and other articles says it does not have UWB, that only the P6 pro has it.
Also, I am referring to the short range UWB for tracking Tile Ultra or android digital car key, not the Verizon UWB 5G. Or are they the exact same?
Thanks for any clarification.
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The only Pixel 6 that has UWB is the one that Verizon sells or a Verizon branded P6. The Google version does not have the UWB antenna. All the 6P6 devices have it whether it's Verizon or any other one. Verizon 5G UWB is not the same as UWB in general. I believe both will support keyless entry since if it has the antenna/radio technology that is all that matters. Obviously I'm not 100% on this. lol. I'm also not sure if the UWB in the P6P are specific to Verizon or the generic one Apple/Samsung one. Wouldn't mind if an engineer pops their head in here to clarify.
Someone with a non-verizon P6 and a new BMW that has digital car key please turn off bluetooth and NFC and see if the digital car key works.
On a side note, what if a criminal test drive a bmw, setting up digital car key and returning at night to commit grand theft auto.
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Someone with a non-verizon P6 and a new BMW that has digital car key please turn off bluetooth and NFC and see if the digital car key works.
On a side note, what if a criminal test drive a bmw, setting up digital car key and returning at night to commit grand theft auto.
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That's an easy one. They track your phone to your front door, knock and say FBI you're under arrest.
JuzDoIttt said:
Someone with a non-verizon P6 and a new BMW that has digital car key please turn off bluetooth and NFC and see if the digital car key works.
On a side note, what if a criminal test drive a bmw, setting up digital car key and returning at night to commit grand theft auto.
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Its just a BMW so... Who cares?
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The only Pixel 6 that has UWB is the one that Verizon sells or a Verizon branded P6. The Google version does not have the UWB antenna. All the 6P6 devices have it whether it's Verizon or any other one. Verizon 5G UWB is not the same as UWB in general. I believe both will support keyless entry since if it has the antenna/radio technology that is all that matters. Obviously I'm not 100% on this. lol. I'm also not sure if the UWB in the P6P are specific to Verizon or the generic one Apple/Samsung one. Wouldn't mind if an engineer pops their head in here to clarify.
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Very incorrect. UWB is ultra-wideband for locational awareness. Only the Pixel 6 Pro supports it. Pixel 6 can only use NFC.
Verizon's UWB is a completely unrelated marketing term for their mid-band and mmwave 5G.
The UWB we are discussing is not 5G. Different technology entirely.
LLStarks said:
Very incorrect. UWB is ultra-wideband for locational awareness. Only the Pixel 6 Pro supports it. Pixel 6 can only use NFC.
Verizon's UWB is a completely unrelated marketing term for their mid-band and mmwave 5G.
The UWB we are discussing is not 5G. Different technology entirely.
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Very incorrect? Really? So even though the P6 can use Verizon's UWB it can't use regular UWB? If what you say is correct that would mean the P6P has UWB for Verizon 5G as well as UWB for location awareness? As I said I was not entirely sure about this so if you have some knowledge regarding this please let us know without the comments about levels of correctness.
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Very incorrect? Really? So even though the P6 can use Verizon's UWB it can't use regular UWB? If what you say is correct that would mean the P6P has UWB for Verizon 5G as well as UWB for location awareness? As I said I was not entirely sure about this so if you have some knowledge regarding this please let us know without the comments about levels of correctness.
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You are confusing 2 completely unrelated technologies.
Please drop any idea of Verizon UWB or types of 5G. We are not talking about that.
LLStarks said:
You are confusing 2 completely unrelated technologies.
Please drop any idea of Verizon UWB or types of 5G. We are not talking about that.
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I got that. I just questioning whether or not the P6P has both the Verizon UWB and local UWB. If there is someone that can clarify what you are knowledgeable about that would help this discussion. Just saying I'm confusing the two technologies doesn't really help much here.
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I got that. I just questioning whether or not the P6P has both the Verizon UWB and local UWB. If there is someone that can clarify what you are knowledgeable about that would help this discussion. Just saying I'm confusing the two technologies doesn't really help much here.
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Some do and some do not. Depends on which variation.
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Some do and some do not. Depends on which variation.
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So there are 2 versions of the 6Pro? I only thought two versions of the P6. Thanks for confusing me even more if that's possible at this point.
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So there are 2 versions of the 6Pro? I only thought two versions of the P6. Thanks for confusing me even more if that's possible at this point.
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There are at least 3 variants;
G8VOU (USA, Australia),
GF5KQ (Japan),
GLU0G (Everywhere).
The first two support 5G "mmWave", which is what Verizon is incorrectly referring to as "UWB". The last one does not. The first two may be the same physical hardware, but Japan has unique regulatory requirements. It may refer entirely to being provisioned with a different software build.
Only US versions of the Pixel 6 Pro reliably have the mmwave antenna module. Verizon is not the only carrier with mmwave capability.
Other variants have an empty space. There's also a special Japanese variant which has modified NFC capabilities and government regulated camera shutter sounds.
So basically Verizon messed up the messaging by calling UWB, which has nothing to do with them, UWB 5G a completely different technology. I think I got the gist of it now. Skipping UWB 5G, which devices have UWB? I know Apple products have it and Samsung but where does the P6 series fall?
bobby janow said:
So basically Verizon messed up the messaging by calling UWB, which has nothing to do with them, UWB 5G a completely different technology. I think I got the gist of it now. Skipping UWB 5G, which devices have UWB? I know Apple products have it and Samsung but where does the P6 series fall?
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*real* UWB is a feature of ALL Pixel 6 *PRO*, and is NOT available on ANY non-PRO.
Phone carriers are genuinely retarded when it comes to naming technologies. Hand it over to marketing people with a BA in basket weaving. If you want to refer to mmWave, call it mmWave.
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*real* UWB is a feature of ALL Pixel 6 *PRO*, and is NOT available on ANY non-PRO.
Phone carriers are genuinely retarded when it comes to naming technologies. Hand it over to marketing people with a BA in basket weaving. If you want to refer to mmWave, call it mmWave.
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As others already stated, Verizon markets their mmWave 5G-NR "UWB" (Ultra WideBand). Apple and other OEMs are using a separate chip/technology that they are also calling UltraWideBand for location based services (IEEE 802.15.4, not as a 5G connection technology). 802.15.4 UltraWideBand is what BMW is using for their door locking services (Digital Key Plus). This UWB uses channels at 6.5 & 8GHz.
Having said that, the Pixel 6 (non-Pro) in the US comes in non-mmWave (GB7N6, unlocked) and mmWave (G9S9B, AT&T or Verizon) versions. G9S9B adds 5G-NR support for bands 257, 258, 260 & 261 (28, 26, 39 & 28GHz respectively).
The P6-Pro (G8VOU, US & AUS version) has the Qorvo DW3720 802.15.4 UWB chip. No variation of the Pixel 6 has an 802.15.4 UltraWideBand chip/radio.
Hahaha thank you Verizon for confusing the crap out of everyone. This reminds me of when TMobile started calling hspa+ 4g when in reality it was just hspa (3g) with upgraded technology. At&t called the same technology 3.5g because they had LTE (true 4g)
The way it was explained back then is there is no true definition for 3g,4g,5g the g stands for generation so the carriers are free to market it however 5hey want. I just switched to Verizon from Fi and I have the p6 unlocked from the Google store. The sales guy told me I will get c band and so will my wife's pixel 5a. I'm pretty sure I don't get c band with my non Verizon p6. I don't really care I get over 100 Mbps download and do I really need more than that? Personally no I don't.the geek in me wants to see more just so I can see the technology but it's really not necessary. Just like at home I have a 3 bedroom apartment with a few smartphone things but not alot and ingot FiOS gigabit. Way overkill. My buddy has a 4 bedroom house with a finished basement every switch in 5he house is smart and he has 6 streaming devices with a 200mbps plan and everything works fine. Even with his kids playing Xbox. But like I said the geek in me wants to see the technology. Sorry for.the long rant off topic
Hey Guys,
I just had to buy another v60 because I had purchased an AT&T version while using T-Mobile. The phone works until July when Tmo phases outs some legacy bands. So I bought a proper T-Mobile LG V60. I went all out and bought a genuine new one and its great but I noticed it weighs A LOT LESS than my previous AT&T. Its weighs 7.6oz, which matches specs, so I'm not worried, but its my older AT&T I'm wondering about, it weighs 8.2oz! I always thought it was heavy and just attributed it to the 5000mah batt. Can anyone with an AT&T confirm that theirs is also that heavy(8.2oz)??
It's possible that the difference in weight is due to the modem (i. e. CDMA vs. GSM, if that applies). Other than that, I don't know what else could be the cause.
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It's possible that the difference in weight is due to the modem (i. e. CDMA vs. GSM, if that applies). Other than that, I don't know what else could be the cause.
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Ok thanks for the input. It's like a brick compared to my new phone. It even stays cooler longer because of the extra mass when charging. I've searched the forums, reddit and Google and can't find any reference to the extra weight. I guess you wouldn't notice unless you had bought two different versions of the phone though.