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Probably dumb question (sorry!): Is there any exterior difference between the various 'flavors' of S2?
I'm mostly interested in differences that would affect a dock/car dock or a case as I'm about to order some stuff from the UK (mobilefun.co.uk). Now that's for the i9100, and I've got the T-Mobile variant
I'd been assuming that all S2s were the same externally (just different radios, antennas, etc.) - but now I see separate car docks for the At&T model and the T-Mobile model. I'm hoping that that's just some sort of marketing deal Samsung has with those carriers, but I thought I'd better check before making a trans-Atlantic oops.
Thanks!
I ran into the same thing with carrier specific cases. I believe the AT&T version has the speaker on the right instead of the left. Not sure about the T-mobile. Maybe check pictures/360 view on their website. They should have pics of their model not generic Samsung pics.
Good luck.
You should look up the specs of the individual phones. The T-Mobile version is bigger than the ATT and i9100 versions. From what I can tell the i9100 and the ATT versions are the same dimensionally. I'm using that ATT home and car docks with my i9100.
Yes there are some differences, especially between international models and USA versions,
for example, i've noticed a certain american version (forgot which one) has a bigger screen,
also another american version (AT&T) the buttons at the bottom of the phone are different than the international version.
Other than the internal differences ofcourse.
cheers
I found the multiple pages inside samsung's us website for the versions going to the different carriers:
t-mobile version 5.11" x 2.71" x .37" weight 4.77 display 4.52"
at&t version 5.15" x 2.75" x .37" weight 4.66 display 4.50"
sprint version 5.11" x 2.74" x .38" weight 4.60 display 4.52"
The speakers are, indeed, in different places, and the t-mobile version back is quite different, covers the entire back, including the speaker, which is on the left, as you look directly at the back.
I also ended up with a 'near field' equipped battery, so I guess there's gear to drive that as well.
Glad I asked, as I'd have ordered the wrong case from the UK. Pity as I really wanted that flip-cover screen protector, as I hate looking through screen protectors, but not nearly as much of a pity as having the wrong case in hand and trying to figure if it was worth shipping it back to the UK for a refund.
Thanks everyone!
Pleases note, that this is the wrong forum for the T-mobile SGS2, this is the right forum section.
Just a fyi before you try to flash anything and brick your phone.
Thanks! I hadn't gotten that far (still reading up - and clearly was reading up on the wrong stuff).
Been searching for a case to order so I will have it ready to go when my Note II finally ships. However, I'm seeing some information on ebay indication that some of the cases only fit the GT-N7100 model and will not fit other sub-models? I was under the impression that there was no difference is shape/size among any of the carrier variants? Can someone confirm?
Here's just one such case that I found that alludes to fitment differences among the variants.
Black Flip Case for Note II
I have heard talks about the edges may being different, but I really doubt it. This hasn't been confirmed and from the leaked pictures the phones look exactly the same. I'm pretty sure the only reason the USA has different models is due to carrier frequencies and technologies (GSM & CDMA).
kimdoocheol said:
I have heard talks about the edges may being different, but I really doubt it. This hasn't been confirmed and from the leaked pictures the phones look exactly the same. I'm pretty sure the only reason the USA has different models is due to carrier frequencies and technologies (GSM & CDMA).
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I hope you're right and am keeping my fingers crossed. However, it does give me pause in pre-purchasing some accessories for the phone.
I was hoping there was a way to use the front cover with replacement battery door and a case but it looks impossible unless someone made one specifically for it. You would think Samsung would have had the genius to design one.
For the first time I'm concerned.
I should be getting my Rogers Optimus G tomorrow, but all the recent specification information leads me to understand that the Rogers unit and the AT&T units are not the same device ... when they are usually identical (with the exception of some minor issues).
The Rogers device appears to be far more similar with the Sprint (and Korean) designs. It DOES NOT have an SDCard slot, but the camera is only 8MB, and the Rogers device is the first in North America (perhaps the world) that will utilize the superior LTE signal (2600MHz), which should result in download speeds approaching 75+ Mbps. Yes, it also has the 700MHz spectrum, but not the somewhat slower 1700MHz frequency.
My concern, though, is with ROM development. If it's not an AT&T unit, per se, and not a Sprint unit, what can we do?
Any ideas from the experts?
Peter
Well right now I wouldn't worry they all have locked boot loaders anyways.
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I noticed that ...
whoamanwtf said:
Well right now I wouldn't worry they all have locked boot loaders anyways.
Sent from my LG-E970 using xda app-developers app
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I've never had an LG device, and I've been reading lots to get prepared. I, too, noticed that the bootloaders are locked. Even though I really need LTE for my job, I'm very seriously considering getting the Nexus 4.
Peter
If you need LTE for work maybe hold out for the HTC One X+
Edit: I guess that's not LTE actually, will I'll tell you aside from a couple issues only software so far this phone is a beast fast as hell and the build quality sends fantastic. The volume buttons rattle a little if you tap the screen hard but I think it's just cause the device is so solid.
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PeterGuru said:
My concern, though, is with ROM development. If it's not an AT&T unit, per se, and not a Sprint unit, what can we do?
Peter
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As of now, there doesn't seem to be much going on in the dev section for the AT&T unit either. Even if the bootloader was unlocked, then what? Without devs?
I just made a similar post in the "who's got this phone" thread. The N4 comes out today, all we can do is wait and see what happens. Since it shares almost identical hardware, it shouldn't take much to port ROMs/kernels back and forth.
BoostedSR20 said:
As of now, there doesn't seem to be much going on in the dev section for the AT&T unit either. Even if the bootloader was unlocked, then what? Without devs?
I just made a similar post in the "who's got this phone" thread. The N4 comes out today, all we can do is wait and see what happens. Since it shares almost identical hardware, it shouldn't take much to port ROMs/kernels back and forth.
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Porting between the two should actually be easy, I am pretty sure I have done enough cooking of my own to take up that. But with locked bootloaders there is nothing we can do for now.
PeterGuru said:
I've never had an LG device, and I've been reading lots to get prepared. I, too, noticed that the bootloaders are locked. Even though I really need LTE for my job, I'm very seriously considering getting the Nexus 4.
Peter
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I currently have the AT&T Optimus G, but am considering returning it for the Nexus 4 as I dislike the wideness and rounded sides of the AT&T variant.
Rogers model number confirmed ...
I got my Optimus G this morning, and here's the model number:
LG-E971 RGS (I'm sure the RGS means Rogers)
What is the model number of the AT&T variant?
Peter
LG-E970
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Any difference in the software version? Build number?
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Here's my software information for Rogers model LG-E971 RGS:
Android: 4.0.4
Baseband: APQ8064/MDM9x15M
Kernel: 3.0.21
Build: IMM76L
Software: E97110d
All appear to be the same as the AT&T version, with the exception of the Software version.
Peter
PeterGuru said:
For the first time I'm concerned.
I should be getting my Rogers Optimus G tomorrow, but all the recent specification information leads me to understand that the Rogers unit and the AT&T units are not the same device ... when they are usually identical (with the exception of some minor issues).
The Rogers device appears to be far more similar with the Sprint (and Korean) designs. It DOES NOT have an SDCard slot, but the camera is only 8MB, and the Rogers device is the first in North America (perhaps the world) that will utilize the superior LTE signal (2600MHz), which should result in download speeds approaching 75+ Mbps. Yes, it also has the 700MHz spectrum, but not the somewhat slower 1700MHz frequency.
My concern, though, is with ROM development. If it's not an AT&T unit, per se, and not a Sprint unit, what can we do?
Any ideas from the experts?
Peter
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Hi Peter,
not sure if it was using the 2600MHz band at the time, but I DID have a speedtest run reaching just over 100Mb/s. Although the speed was a bit higher than my SGS3 (used the same SIM and got around 70Mb/s), a higher frequency means shorter wavelength which also means less penetrating power through walls and any other physical medium. Based on that, I'm wondering if it is truly superior.
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i think Rogers, Bell, and Telus all have the same version, i.e. the E971. Unless I'm mistaken, seems the breakdown is as follows:
E973 - 32GB storage, 13MP camera
E971 - 32GB storage, 8MP camera
E970 - 16GB storage, 8MP camera, microSD slot (expandable memory)
imo, the E970 looks the best and i would also prefer the expandable storage over better camera. it is indeed a shame that rogers didn't get the AT&T variant; we, Rogers folk, seem to have gotten the worst of the bunch. I wonder if, perhaps, the E972 would be/is a 16GB version with 13MP camera.
Seriously considering getting this phone myself on Rogers.
Especially after the Nexus 4 debacle.
But the locked bootloader would mean no CM10 and that is the only thing holding me back from buying this phone.
I wonder why LG would do this.
Is there a chance that some genius developer will be able to figure out a way to unlock the bootloader without LG's blessing?
fahad233 said:
Seriously considering getting this phone myself on Rogers.
Especially after the Nexus 4 debacle.
But the locked bootloader would mean no CM10 and that is the only thing holding me back from buying this phone.
I wonder why LG would do this.
Is there a chance that some genius developer will be able to figure out a way to unlock the bootloader without LG's blessing?
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Hey Fahad233,
Take a look at this link...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=34030363&postcount=31
fahad233 said:
Seriously considering getting this phone myself on Rogers.
Especially after the Nexus 4 debacle.
But the locked bootloader would mean no CM10 and that is the only thing holding me back from buying this phone.
I wonder why LG would do this.
Is there a chance that some genius developer will be able to figure out a way to unlock the bootloader without LG's blessing?
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it's definitely a nice phone; i prefer the hardware over my SGS3, but HATE that the E971's storage is limited to 32GB, not even all of which is usable.
mk_ln said:
Hi Peter,
not sure if it was using the 2600MHz band at the time, but I DID have a speedtest run reaching just over 100Mb/s. Although the speed was a bit higher than my SGS3 (used the same SIM and got around 70Mb/s), a higher frequency means shorter wavelength which also means less penetrating power through walls and any other physical medium. Based on that, I'm wondering if it is truly superior.
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i think Rogers, Bell, and Telus all have the same version, i.e. the E971. Unless I'm mistaken, seems the breakdown is as follows:
E973 - 32GB storage, 13MP camera
E971 - 32GB storage, 8MP camera
E970 - 16GB storage, 8MP camera, microSD slot (expandable memory)
imo, the E970 looks the best and i would also prefer the expandable storage over better camera. it is indeed a shame that rogers didn't get the AT&T variant; we, Rogers folk, seem to have gotten the worst of the bunch. I wonder if, perhaps, the E972 would be/is a 16GB version with 13MP camera.
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I have the TELUS version and it is E973 with 32GB storage but 8 MP rear camera.
Peter-
I'm curious how you got your phone so quickly? I reserved an E971 over a month ago, was supposedly #3 on the Reservation waitlist (Rogers PR BS, of course) and yet only received the shipping notice yesterday which means it probably won't show up in the wild west here until late next week. And yet still I've already received my E970 from Amazon Wireless in the US in TWO DAYS, and SIM-unlocked it for use on my Rogers account.
Anyways - regarding the versions and hardware revisions - YES. These are the two reasons I decided to order the E970. Because the domestic Canadian versions have no SD-card support at all, and second will have far less aftermarket support for ROMs and software. I believe GSMArena claimed the Rogers model would be E971, and Bell and Telus would be the stock 'international' E973 model which might fare slightly better.
But having talked to a Qualcomm engineer I know, he suggested that the S4 Pro is entirely software-driven for LTE configuration. So as I asked in another thread, does this mean the baseband software could be rewritten or substituted from another model to edit the LTE bands the radio operates on? ie E971->E970 or L-01E->E970?
Hmm, I simply reserved as usual ...
amrando said:
Peter-
I'm curious how you got your phone so quickly? I reserved an E971 over a month ago, was supposedly #3 on the Reservation waitlist (Rogers PR BS, of course) and yet only received the shipping notice yesterday which means it probably won't show up in the wild west here until late next week. And yet still I've already received my E970 from Amazon Wireless in the US in TWO DAYS, and SIM-unlocked it for use on my Rogers account.
Anyways - regarding the versions and hardware revisions - YES. These are the two reasons I decided to order the E970. Because the domestic Canadian versions have no SD-card support at all, and second will have far less aftermarket support for ROMs and software. I believe GSMArena claimed the Rogers model would be E971, and Bell and Telus would be the stock 'international' E973 model which might fare slightly better.
But having talked to a Qualcomm engineer I know, he suggested that the S4 Pro is entirely software-driven for LTE configuration. So as I asked in another thread, does this mean the baseband software could be rewritten or substituted from another model to edit the LTE bands the radio operates on? ie E971->E970 or L-01E->E970?
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I did nothing special. I simply reserved the unit as usual. I was #5 on the list and it arrived at my local Rogers Plus store exactly on the day of release.
I'm in Mississauga, and I know that Rogers' warehouse is also in the GTA, so when something ships, I always get it the next day.
Peter
@amrando
Curious - does the AT&T version work with LTE on Rogers? I know it is lacking the 2600 band, but it still has the 2100. I'm considering getting the AT&T version for the exact same reason as you - expandable storage and better community support, but don't want a crippled LTE phone. Also, how/where did you get it unlocked?
Cheers
The Att version uses 700/AWS for LTE. As long as you're in a 700mHz area, you should be ok
http://www.ebay.com/sch/zteusainc/m...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
They still sell it on the regular website and Best Buy and New Egg are still selling them on ebay. But this is very interesting that they have stopped selling it on ebay.
If they don't have any stock, how would they be running anything on eBay? I don't think ebay lets you run pre-orders and such. I'd bet it will come back up when stock arrive shortly.
It's no about stock actually.
They don't want non-US users to get the chance to buy the US model outside of the US. Which you were able to using eBay.
I was told by BHPhoto that they are restricted by ZTE to sell the device to non-US customers.
The US version is the better one compared to the international model.
Lucky me I have a buddy in NY area who got the newegg pre-order of the grey version and will forward it to me. I'm in Europe and have tested the A2017G. Sent it back as I'm waiting for the A2017U (US Model).
how is that the U model is better then G?
Aimara said:
how is that the U model is better then G?
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Easy for Unlock bootloader and easy to fix soft-brick , probably more buy those 2 comes first!!
oh ok , now that they halt the sale outside us ,seem like its just for you guys , well it should promote more and increase the community , frankly speaking just this year i heard of this brand , hmmm where has it been all these years
celoxocis said:
It's no about stock actually.
They don't want non-US users to get the chance to buy the US model outside of the US. Which you were able to using eBay.
I was told by BHPhoto that they are restricted by ZTE to sell the device to non-US customers.
The US version is the better one compared to the international model.
Lucky me I have a buddy in NY area who got the newegg pre-order of the grey version and will forward it to me. I'm in Europe and have tested the A2017G. Sent it back as I'm waiting for the A2017U (US Model).
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Could you please detail why G version would be worse than U. It is same hardware and only modem is different but modem behaves better in G as read comments anywhere? What do you expect from U? If you have software issues I am sure that if any is fixed in one of two it will be sorted out on other one too.
obladi64 said:
Could you please detail why G version would be worse than U. It is same hardware and only modem is different but modem behaves better in G as read comments anywhere? What do you expect from U? If you have software issues I am sure that if any is fixed in one of two it will be sorted out on other one too.
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Actually only a few points that tipped it over for me in favor for the U version.
A: Better Software support from ZTE USA.
B: The U version has VoLTE which is supported in ROM/Baseband. The G version does not and never will. (Not supported in the modem firmware).
C: U version allows you to enter EDL mode (Qualcomms Emergency Download Mode). I need this as I'm a dev. The G version can only enter DFU mode.
D: All the band's that are required in my Euro country and in the US are supported. I travel to friends in the US and don't want to have to switch phones.
E: With the newegg pre-order you were given free headphones for around 200$. After customs it will be the same price as the G version in euros but with additional free high quality headphones.
F: My buddy tested the phone for "bad signal reception" and other faults/defects I mentioned to look out for. For over a week before sending the device over. Else I would have told him to send it back.
He is using an OP3 and even compared them as a daily driver. He said it's on par with the OP3. He even said the Axon7 is like "stuck on 4G" while his OP3 loses 4G occasionally and gets 3G only.
He is an experienced IT tech. I trust his judgement.
He is even thinking about selling his OP3 and to grab an Axon7 as soon as CM is done.
obladi64 said:
Could you please detail why G version would be worse than U. It is same hardware and only modem is different but modem behaves better in G as read comments anywhere? What do you expect from U? If you have software issues I am sure that if any is fixed in one of two it will be sorted out on other one too.
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The G model has a lower volume cap, possibly due to EU regulations, while the U model has a much higher cap. The G model also seems to have more issues with bootloader unlocking, while the U model is pretty straight forward.
celoxocis said:
Actually only a few points that tipped it over for me in favor for the U version.
A: Better Software support from ZTE USA.
B: The U version has VoLTE which is supported in ROM/Baseband. The G version does not and never will. (Not supported in the modem firmware).
C: U version allows you to enter EDL mode (Qualcomms Emergency Download Mode). I need this as I'm a dev. The G version can only enter DFU mode.
D: All the band's that are required in my Euro country and in the US are supported. I travel to friends in the US and don't want to have to switch phones.
E: With the newegg pre-order you were given free headphones for around 200$. After customs it will be the same price as the G version in euros but with additional free high quality headphones.
F: My buddy tested the phone for "bad signal reception" and other faults/defects I mentioned to look out for. For over a week before sending the device over. Else I would have told him to send it back.
He is using an OP3 and even compared them as a daily driver. He said it's on par with the OP3. He even said the Axon7 is like "stuck on 4G" while his OP3 loses 4G occasionally and gets 3G only.
He is an experienced IT tech. I trust his judgement.
He is even thinking about selling his OP3 and to grab an Axon7 as soon as CM is done.
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Thanks for the details. You see it from developer point of view mainly as I see.
A) I don't know. May be but as I see much less G related problem was reported than U.
B) May be but Volte is not as wide spreaded in EU as in US. as far as I know. Otherwise It looks that workaroud (if not the final solution) for signal issue of US model is turning Volte off, so you can get in same boat easily.
C) I don't know how important it is for avaradge users. Orherwise it is also software fearure if I understand it well.
D) You are lucky. Not eveeybody can say that US bands cover of his/her country exactly.
E) Just because of this fact US version is not better. It is only cheaper.
F) It is strange because mostly US users complain for signal reception. I haven't had any issue with. G. It works perfectly and expectedly in big city as well as low signal country area. As I mentioned earlier it looks that workaroud (if not the final solution) for signal issue of US model is turning Volte off.
Also I read that overwriting field APN manually can solve few cell issues. I did it due to orher reason and I don't have any issue.
So after all you didn't mentioned anything why U would be better for users except Volte. It is just your taste and chance to get it cheaper.
obladi64 said:
Thanks for the details. You see it from developer point of view mainly as I see.
A) I don't know. May be but as I see much less G related problem was reported than U.
B) May be but Volte is not as wide spreaded in EU as in US. as far as I know. Otherwise It looks that workaroud (if not the final solution) for signal issue of US model is turning Volte off, so you can get in same boat easily.
C) I don't know how important it is for avaradge users. Orherwise it is also software fearure if I understand it well.
D) You are lucky. Not eveeybody can say that US bands cover of his/her country exactly.
E) Just because of this fact US version is not better. It is only cheaper.
F) It is strange because mostly US users complain for signal reception. I haven't had any issue with. G. It works perfectly and expectedly in big city as well as low signal country area. As I mentioned earlier it looks that workaroud (if not the final solution) for signal issue of US model is turning Volte off.
Also I read that overwriting field APN manually can solve few cell issues. I did it due to orher reason and I don't have any issue.
So after all you didn't mentioned anything why U would be better for users except Volte. It is just your taste and chance to get it cheaper.
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That's why I said it's only a few points for _me_ and not for _all_ users.
And as I have a chance to get all those pros for the same price in the end it is a no brainer.
Also I do not believe that the antenna is so much different to the G model. It is more likely that a few batches had a bad antenna build-in and when ZTE realized that, due to complains, new batches after the affected one's were sent off, were all build with a better antenna in place.
The Chinese and US Models were on the first batches. The international ones were produced later. Look into Chinese forums complaining about reception problems.
Unfortunate it is how the greedy corporate industry world works today. Sell those affected phones until enough users complain. If they complain, offer an exchange. If they don't they made profit.
Just look at the Samsung Note 7 disaster. Same **** is happening there.
Not to mention Samsungs Panel Lottery for their TV which has been going on for a decade.
I worked for Huawei Europe HQ and could write a book about how corporations do their quality check behind the doors. Just saying I'm never gone touch a Huawei phone because of what I know.
(Don't ask I signed an nondisclosure agreement.)
In the end it's on you to decide if you want to keep the phone or not. Or if you want to pay 399$ with more pros or 449euro for more cons.
Isn't the chinese A2017 model better than the rest? I mean... like, you know... 6gb RAM vs 4gb... 128gb internal vs 64... and you can use all the U unlocks/tools w/ no issue?
Seems that many of you forget that having US version in Europe you are out of warranty.
To many customers warranty is very important to them.
Also EU has 3 years warranty policy while US 2 years.
I'm having a month now both gold and gray G version and no reception /WiFi issue at all.
Compared to my S7 Edge the call reception is the same level and WiFi is better.
Also G version will have in coming weeks official root and boot loader unlocked from ZTE without loosing the warranty.
Even that US version is getting first the official software updates it's just matter of time(less than 1 month) until G version also received the software update for the specific region(Europe)
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Just curious does the u model comes from the ZTE USA down in texas? I presumed warranty is by them as well?
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celoxocis said:
That's why I said it's only a few points for _me_ and not for _all_ users.
And as I have a chance to get all those pros for the same price in the end it is a no brainer.
Also I do not believe that the antenna is so much different to the G model. It is more likely that a few batches had a bad antenna build-in and when ZTE realized that, due to complains, new batches after the affected one's were sent off, were all build with a better antenna in place.
The Chinese and US Models were on the first batches. The international ones were produced later. Look into Chinese forums complaining about reception problems.
Unfortunate it is how the greedy corporate industry world works today. Sell those affected phones until enough users complain. If they complain, offer an exchange. If they don't they made profit.
Just look at the Samsung Note 7 disaster. Same **** is happening there.
Not to mention Samsungs Panel Lottery for their TV which has been going on for a decade.
I worked for Huawei Europe HQ and could write a book about how corporations do their quality check behind the doors. Just saying I'm never gone touch a Huawei phone because of what I know.
(Don't ask I signed an nondisclosure agreement.)
In the end it's on you to decide if you want to keep the phone or not. Or if you want to pay 399$ with more pros or 449euro for more cons.
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You could be right. That's how the world works. You also are not enemy of your money as well as no one else.
Regarding the price I would say that EU price contains the average 21% EU VAT. So it means that price of EU version would be between $410 or 415 in US. So it is not a big deal. Also I think that EU citizens should pay duty if they import from US but it is already off topic.
shirakani said:
Isn't the chinese A2017 model better than the rest? I mean... like, you know... 6gb RAM vs 4gb... 128gb internal vs 64... and you can use all the U unlocks/tools w/ no issue?
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No, bad band support.
obladi64 said:
Also I think that EU citizens should pay duty if they import from US but it is already off topic.
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They do. Just not on specific electronics like Notebooks, Computer Hardware, Cell phones etc
Oddly enough, amazon has also stopped selling the phone. I guess it could just be sold out though.
Hm, still "in stock" at amazon.com:
https://www.amazon.com/ZTE-Axon-unl...TF8&qid=1476347129&sr=8-3&keywords=zte+axon+7
Amazon.com has gold for $399.98, but the grey (which is what I want...) is $479.00. What gives???
I bought a 7T Pro Mclaren 5G a while back off eBay, it was the T-Mobile 5G model and I live in Canada, so when I got it, I tried to unlock it and couldn't, after a long back and forth with the seller, I ended up finding out from T-Mobile that the phone was reported lost/stolen so I had to make an eBay claim, got my money back, and I was going to buy another one, but then I found the Nubia Red Magic 5G so I decided to wait it out until that released since on paper it has better specs for less, turns out it's an absolutely horrible phone and I'm sending it back because nothing works and you're locked out of changing anything.. but back on topic.
Once I get the refund from Nubia, I want to buy another OnePlus 7T Pro, I would prefer another Mclaren model and I like the way that one looks more, however, I'm even more confused now that I'm looking into root/roms for it.
Canada doesn't have 5G yet, so there's no reason to get a 5G phone other than future proofing, but honestly 4G has been fine and I have no issues, so not having 5G isn't a deal breaker, and I noticed on the normal 7T Pro forum here, there's lots of root and rom threads for the non Mclaren phone, but the confusing part now, is the Mclarens actually had like 5 different models that I know of, the HD1910 (china model). HD1911(india model). HD1913 (europe model), HD1920 (europe 5G), and HD1925 (t-mobile 5G).
From what I've gathered, the HD1920/1925 are "hotdogg", and the HD1910/1911/1913 are "hotdog" so I have a few questions, given that there's basically zero support for root/roms on hotdogg, I want to buy a hotdog variant, the non-5G model, but this forum doesn't say anything about the non-5G Mclaren model being included or not, so is the Mclaren HD1910/1913 model the same as the normal 7T Pro HD1910/1913?
I was looking up differences on the HD1910 vs HD1913 and the only thing I've found according to some other forums and sites is that the HD1910 is just cheaper with different firmware, but the global firmware can be flashed on the HD1910, essentially making an HD1913 for cheaper? However I have not been able to find the HD1910 for cheaper with shipping to Canada, the HD1913 seems to be the cheapest option for me.
I'm going to be buying an HD1913, but, the question still stands, is the normal HD1913 the same as the Mclaren HD1913? The only thing I found between them is the Mclaren has 12GB RAM, so would this cause issues with root/roms if I use root/roms designed for the normal 8GB RAM HD1913?
Any info is appreciated.
VeeDaub said:
I bought a 7T Pro Mclaren 5G a while back off eBay, it was the T-Mobile 5G model and I live in Canada, so when I got it, I tried to unlock it and couldn't, after a long back and forth with the seller, I ended up finding out from T-Mobile that the phone was reported lost/stolen so I had to make an eBay claim, got my money back, and I was going to buy another one, but then I found the Nubia Red Magic 5G so I decided to wait it out until that released since on paper it has better specs for less, turns out it's an absolutely horrible phone and I'm sending it back because nothing works and you're locked out of changing anything.. but back on topic.
Once I get the refund from Nubia, I want to buy another OnePlus 7T Pro, I would prefer another Mclaren model and I like the way that one looks more, however, I'm even more confused now that I'm looking into root/roms for it.
Canada doesn't have 5G yet, so there's no reason to get a 5G phone other than future proofing, but honestly 4G has been fine and I have no issues, so not having 5G isn't a deal breaker, and I noticed on the normal 7T Pro forum here, there's lots of root and rom threads for the non Mclaren phone, but the confusing part now, is the Mclarens actually had like 5 different models that I know of, the HD1910 (china model). HD1911(india model). HD1913 (europe model), HD1920 (europe 5G), and HD1925 (t-mobile 5G).
From what I've gathered, the HD1920/1925 are "hotdogg", and the HD1910/1911/1913 are "hotdog" so I have a few questions, given that there's basically zero support for root/roms on hotdogg, I want to buy a hotdog variant, the non-5G model, but this forum doesn't say anything about the non-5G Mclaren model being included or not, so is the Mclaren HD1910/1913 model the same as the normal 7T Pro HD1910/1913?
I was looking up differences on the HD1910 vs HD1913 and the only thing I've found according to some other forums and sites is that the HD1910 is just cheaper with different firmware, but the global firmware can be flashed on the HD1910, essentially making an HD1913 for cheaper? However I have not been able to find the HD1910 for cheaper with shipping to Canada, the HD1913 seems to be the cheapest option for me.
I'm going to be buying an HD1913, but, the question still stands, is the normal HD1913 the same as the Mclaren HD1913? The only thing I found between them is the Mclaren has 12GB RAM, so would this cause issues with root/roms if I use root/roms designed for the normal 8GB RAM HD1913?
Any info is appreciated.
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There are two McLaren editions afaik. The T-Mobile branded one and the international one. There was a serious issue with updating OOS firmwares when unlocking the bootloader on the T-Mobile devices.
I'm not sure if all custom ROMs are supported on the McLaren edition unfortunately. Also the back of the McLaren edition has far more text on the back as the pictures suggest. Look here: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61VYQo5lEuL._SL1600_.jpg
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There are two McLaren editions afaik. The T-Mobile branded one and the international one.
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The HD1920 is the Internation 5G, and the HD1925 is the T-Mobile 5G, but there are also the three other non-5G models, the HD1910/1911/1913, and I'm looking at an HD1913, so that's the non-5G international model, I just don't know if having 12GB of RAM is going to cause issues if I try to root it using tools for the normal 8GB RAM HD1913 and same goes for standard 8GB RAM HD1913 specific roms, can they run on the 12GB RAM HD1913?
I'm just confused because the "Mclaren model" (hd1920/1925) has it's own forum on here, but everything there only mentions the 5G models, nothing about the non-5g Mclaren hd1910/1911/1913, and over here in the non-5G section for the hd1910/1911/1913, there's nothing about the non-5G Mclaren models, so is this phone just compatible with the normal hd1913 stuff because they're the same model number, or does having an extra 4GB of RAM actually make it different resulting in root tools and roms not working? I'm so many confused lol
From what i know is that the International NON 5G McLaren (HD1913, i own this model and i am in the Netherlands) can be seen as a normal Oneplus 7T Pro... Oneplus customer service confirmed this for me.
The OnePlus support page has a download section for roms for all of their devices, but McLaren was not present in this list. They confirmed that i can flash the 7T Pro firmware and the hardware should handle itself, and the extras like the boot animation and themes are stored somewhere within the hardware so you'll keep those as well.
In case of rooting, i think you can use the tools for it as most probably magisk is used and a patched boot img will be made and flashed from your existing firmware. However i have mayor trust issues so i did it myself, used fastboot and adb commands to pull the boot.img and patch it in magisk manager and flash it via fastboot. Just make sure after each OTA to use magisk manager and flash magisk to the inactive slot so you'll keep root after reboot.
Check this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnePlus_7T
VeeDaub said:
I bought a 7T Pro Mclaren 5G a while back off eBay, it was the T-Mobile 5G model and I live in Canada, so when I got it, I tried to unlock it and couldn't, after a long back and forth with the seller, I ended up finding out from T-Mobile that the phone was reported lost/stolen so I had to make an eBay claim, got my money back, and I was going to buy another one, but then I found the Nubia Red Magic 5G so I decided to wait it out until that released since on paper it has better specs for less, turns out it's an absolutely horrible phone and I'm sending it back because nothing works and you're locked out of changing anything.. but back on topic.
Once I get the refund from Nubia, I want to buy another OnePlus 7T Pro, I would prefer another Mclaren model and I like the way that one looks more, however, I'm even more confused now that I'm looking into root/roms for it.
Canada doesn't have 5G yet, so there's no reason to get a 5G phone other than future proofing, but honestly 4G has been fine and I have no issues, so not having 5G isn't a deal breaker, and I noticed on the normal 7T Pro forum here, there's lots of root and rom threads for the non Mclaren phone, but the confusing part now, is the Mclarens actually had like 5 different models that I know of, the HD1910 (china model). HD1911(india model). HD1913 (europe model), HD1920 (europe 5G), and HD1925 (t-mobile 5G).
From what I've gathered, the HD1920/1925 are "hotdogg", and the HD1910/1911/1913 are "hotdog" so I have a few questions, given that there's basically zero support for root/roms on hotdogg, I want to buy a hotdog variant, the non-5G model, but this forum doesn't say anything about the non-5G Mclaren model being included or not, so is the Mclaren HD1910/1913 model the same as the normal 7T Pro HD1910/1913?
I was looking up differences on the HD1910 vs HD1913 and the only thing I've found according to some other forums and sites is that the HD1910 is just cheaper with different firmware, but the global firmware can be flashed on the HD1910, essentially making an HD1913 for cheaper? However I have not been able to find the HD1910 for cheaper with shipping to Canada, the HD1913 seems to be the cheapest option for me.
I'm going to be buying an HD1913, but, the question still stands, is the normal HD1913 the same as the Mclaren HD1913? The only thing I found between them is the Mclaren has 12GB RAM, so would this cause issues with root/roms if I use root/roms designed for the normal 8GB RAM HD1913?
Any info is appreciated.
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I have the op 7tpro hd1910 non 5g and all custom ROMs from the 7tpro thread work on it. Some mods ex renovate ice work on the 5g models as of 3 days ago, but not all custom ROMs support 5g models
its the peanut said:
From what i know is that the International NON 5G McLaren (HD1913, i own this model and i am in the Netherlands) can be seen as a normal Oneplus 7T Pro... Oneplus customer service confirmed this for me.
The OnePlus support page has a download section for roms for all of their devices, but McLaren was not present in this list. They confirmed that i can flash the 7T Pro firmware and the hardware should handle itself, and the extras like the boot animation and themes are stored somewhere within the hardware so you'll keep those as well.
In case of rooting, i think you can use the tools for it as most probably magisk is used and a patched boot img will be made and flashed from your existing firmware. However i have mayor trust issues so i did it myself, used fastboot and adb commands to pull the boot.img and patch it in magisk manager and flash it via fastboot. Just make sure after each OTA to use magisk manager and flash magisk to the inactive slot so you'll keep root after reboot.
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Okay awesome, this is exactly what I needed to know, I feel a lot more confident about buying the non-5G one now, thanks!
I'd rather wait out the whole situation about 5G and what it's dangers are for your health, as everyone is spitting out rumours about it (talking about the amount of radiation it sends out and that stuff, not the 5G causes corona bull****). Besides it will take some time for 5G coverage, just like it did with 4G so getting a device right with it in an area that is not covered yet is a bit waste of money... For me 4G is fast enough.
5G will most likely also cost you a lot more money each month.
VeeDaub said:
Okay awesome, this is exactly what I needed to know, I feel a lot more confident about buying the non-5G one now, thanks!
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its the peanut said:
I'd rather wait out the whole situation about 5G and what it's dangers are for your health, as everyone is spitting out rumours about it (talking about the amount of radiation it sends out and that stuff, not the 5G causes corona bull****). Besides it will take some time for 5G coverage, just like it did with 4G so getting a device right with it in an area that is not covered yet is a bit waste of money... For me 4G is fast enough.
5G will most likely also cost you a lot more money each month.
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Tbh 5G is a standard that includes different frequencies. If any concern can even be valid, it is millimeter wave as the other frequencies are already deployed.
And even in this spectrum it isn't harmful at all. Keep in mind we absorb slight space radiation all the time. Keeping a high wattage (I'm talking about 50W+ radiation close to your reproduction organs will do harm but that's a whole other kind of scale).
It is unfortunate that people often try to pinpoint the first thing they hear like Corona caused by 5G. It is important to remember how everything works and what is plausible and what not
Perhaps 5G isn't that harmful, i still keep my caution as i haven't had the time to inform myself fully yet... Just viewing articles that come by during lunch hours.
My first thoughts from hearing the news about people setting cellphone towers on fire because of 5G causing Corona... Wich deactivated and damaged the tower and the use of emergency numbers... What an absolute ********.
Macusercom said:
Tbh 5G is a standard that includes different frequencies. If any concern can even be valid, it is millimeter wave as the other frequencies are already deployed.
And even in this spectrum it isn't harmful at all. Keep in mind we absorb slight space radiation all the time. Keeping a high wattage (I'm talking about 50W+ radiation close to your reproduction organs will do harm but that's a whole other kind of scale).
It is unfortunate that people often try to pinpoint the first thing they hear like Corona caused by 5G. It is important to remember how everything works and what is plausible and what not
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Yeah I'm not after the 5G at all, 4G has been more than fast enough for what I use a phone for. Plus, Canada doesn't even have 5G yet, that's why I'm looking for a non-5G OnePlus 7T Pro Mclaren, no point paying more for the 5G model and lose some functionality to root/roms for a service that isn't even provided yet.
As for the whole 5G thing, I think the main concern behind it was people not understanding that 5G ranges from like 24MHz to 300MHz, and it's about the frequency. So a RADIOwave goes up to I think around 1GHz, and MICROwave frequency is like 1GHz to around 300GHz. and some microwaves operate at around 2.45GHz, so already your standard wifi router in your house is already spitting out microwaves from 2.4GHz to 60GHz depending on what model you have and what frequencies you're using, the difference is the wattage, a router is basically nothing in comparison to an actual microwave oven that cooks food, those can go up to 700w for a normal household model, even more for industrial models.
So basically, we're already exposed to microwaves everyday, the wattage is just so low that it doesn't cause us any hard, and even if it would over a long period of time, our immune systems can rebuild faster than the radiation can cause harm, same as getting x-rays at the dentist, harmful, but our bodies are stronger. It doesn't cause any concern at all. Now there's known information that the US Military uses 95GHz with a custom panel that's attached to Hummers for crowd control to break up riots. The difference is that people think that the 95GHz range the military uses which is proven to produce enough microwave non-ionizing radiation to make rioters bodies uncomfortable, they over heat and get sick from heat stroke with too much exposure causing them to stop rioting, it's not life threatening and tests have shown no signs of skin cancer as a result, but it's aggressive enough to work.
The issue though, is that when people see 5G going from 24GHz to 300GHz and the military uses 95GHz for crowd control, people think that if 5G uses those higher frequencies it's capable of, it's going to cook everyone like a legit microwave oven. The only difference here is that ONE of those Hummers produces up to 2.5MEGAWATTS for a 2 second burst at full power using two diesel engine generators. So far all of the 5G towers that are being burned down, they don't have a diesel power plant at every tower, and each tower drawing power loads like that would overload the entire grid. So from everything I found when I was looking into why people are burning down towers is they just don't understand how low the wattage is on a 5G tower and there's people hyping up these hummers saying that 5G will cause you to die and Covid-19 is just a government cover up and it's actually 5G and all this other nonsense, but in reality, 5G is completely safe, if someone DID hook one up to a 2.5Mw source.. we might be in trouble lol
Now I'm not saying it's SAFE, like, end all game. There were studies in Germany about just cell phone towers in general, they did a test with like 1000 people in a 400m radius of cell phone towers and the people closer to the towers were 50% more likely to get cancer from testing, and 10% observed cancer right at the towers, but this is also over the span of a 10 year test. So, ALL cell phone towers cause cancer, it's just a matter of how close you live to one and how long you've lived there, and even then, you have a 90% chance of not getting cancer, so the risks are still low. Not comforting, but low enough that I wouldn't start losing sleep over.
Here in The Netherlands we don't have 5G either, but it is planned for this summer (which is cancelled this year). There are phones already out with the specs ready... And even if it was already supported, i am not willing to pay 10 to 20 euros a month more for the speed i am not gonna use.
But does Canada only have the 5G variant in the stores? Or is the phone not available at all?
As far as i knew the concern here was that it would cause cancer or certain health issues in the long term, as it would need more transmitters/towers to cover the area for certain frequencies. I never believed in the first place it would be extremely harmful. What i do know is the closer you live to one off the towers, the more chance you get of developing cancer and a few other things. Besides, i have a high end router in my bedroom and i am not dead yet.... Maybe i should move closer to a tower so it would go quicker....
Governments do stupid stuff... but i believe they would not allow a network to be installed that would be that dangerous, or keep installed if things do turn for the worse.
I also believe that this is going too off topic that eventually a mod will warn us
bANONYMOUS said:
Yeah I'm not after the 5G at all, 4G has been more than fast enough for what I use a phone for. Plus, Canada doesn't even have 5G yet, that's why I'm looking for a non-5G OnePlus 7T Pro Mclaren, no point paying more for the 5G model and lose some functionality to root/roms for a service that isn't even provided yet.
As for the whole 5G thing, I think the main concern behind it was people not understanding that 5G ranges from like 24MHz to 300MHz, and it's about the frequency. So a RADIOwave goes up to I think around 1GHz, and MICROwave frequency is like 1GHz to around 300GHz. and some microwaves operate at around 2.45GHz, so already your standard wifi router in your house is already spitting out microwaves from 2.4GHz to 60GHz depending on what model you have and what frequencies you're using, the difference is the wattage, a router is basically nothing in comparison to an actual microwave oven that cooks food, those can go up to 700w for a normal household model, even more for industrial models.
So basically, we're already exposed to microwaves everyday, the wattage is just so low that it doesn't cause us any hard, and even if it would over a long period of time, our immune systems can rebuild faster than the radiation can cause harm, same as getting x-rays at the dentist, harmful, but our bodies are stronger. It doesn't cause any concern at all. Now there's known information that the US Military uses 95GHz with a custom panel that's attached to Hummers for crowd control to break up riots. The difference is that people think that the 95GHz range the military uses which is proven to produce enough microwave non-ionizing radiation to make rioters bodies uncomfortable, they over heat and get sick from heat stroke with too much exposure causing them to stop rioting, it's not life threatening and tests have shown no signs of skin cancer as a result, but it's aggressive enough to work.
The issue though, is that when people see 5G going from 24GHz to 300GHz and the military uses 95GHz for crowd control, people think that if 5G uses those higher frequencies it's capable of, it's going to cook everyone like a legit microwave oven. The only difference here is that ONE of those Hummers produces up to 2.5MEGAWATTS for a 2 second burst at full power using two diesel engine generators. So far all of the 5G towers that are being burned down, they don't have a diesel power plant at every tower, and each tower drawing power loads like that would overload the entire grid. So from everything I found when I was looking into why people are burning down towers is they just don't understand how low the wattage is on a 5G tower and there's people hyping up these hummers saying that 5G will cause you to die and Covid-19 is just a government cover up and it's actually 5G and all this other nonsense, but in reality, 5G is completely safe, if someone DID hook one up to a 2.5Mw source.. we might be in trouble lol
Now I'm not saying it's SAFE, like, end all game. There were studies in Germany about just cell phone towers in general, they did a test with like 1000 people in a 400m radius of cell phone towers and the people closer to the towers were 50% more likely to get cancer from testing, and 10% observed cancer right at the towers, but this is also over the span of a 10 year test. So, ALL cell phone towers cause cancer, it's just a matter of how close you live to one and how long you've lived there, and even then, you have a 90% chance of not getting cancer, so the risks are still low. Not comforting, but low enough that I wouldn't start losing sleep over.
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