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Hi all I want to clarify something that is not clear to me and I read it's good and then it's bad.
Well the thing is that if this is good or bad??
I'm not clear as many say q barely noticeable fluency, others that the battery lasts longer and warms least have it enabled.
Other that lasts less heated and many app give more problems.
then I turn it off yesterday as it was the only way that I opened modern combat 3.
I notice less heat ...
Finally ..
is good or bad??
the battery lasts less or more?
calietna more or less the phone??
Cheers .. :laugh:
hi there AJ
I must say first that you must remember that's a dev's option so consequences may vary.
second, as long as your phone doesn't exceeds from 45 degrees celsius you're all set - so if you like the performance I suggest you stick with it
Cheers
Hello, phones already, let's set clearly , very hot when you use it normally while charging (~45C° NOW in summer) then when playing , app report about 50C but it feels like much more... Those sorry of exploding galaxys are worrying me. What do you think?
Constantly running the phone @ high temperatures will probably shorten the life of the battery a bit, how much is hard to say. Does it shorten the life of the CPU or other components ? Maybe. But lets face it many (most ?) people change phones every year or two these days so that's not really an issue. You're more likely to notice the battery thing if you do it often enough.
Me personally, I don't do anything heavily CPU intensive with the phone while it's charging. I mean, how easy is it to do whatever it is you have to do with the phone (play a game or whatever), then throw it on charger when you're done & not using the phone ?
With the poor battery of the SII, I prefer avoiding such situation : playing with kill battery in 3h or less, so unless I'm closer to full charge, I'll play will charging. This to avoid ultra low battery at any time. I'm not concerned by battery dying, I'm concerned by the explosion as said...
MistahBungle said:
Constantly running the phone @ high temperatures will probably shorten the life of the battery a bit, how much is hard to say. Does it shorten the life of the CPU or other components ? Maybe. But lets face it many (most ?) people change phones every year or two these days so that's not really an issue. You're more likely to notice the battery thing if you do it often enough.
Me personally, I don't do anything heavily CPU intensive with the phone while it's charging. I mean, how easy is it to do whatever it is you have to do with the phone (play a game or whatever), then throw it on charger when you're done & not using the phone ?
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As you said, high temperatures will shorten battery life.
An important aspect is that you shouldn't fully discharge the battery before charging it.
Charging from 50% to 100% will permit you about 1500 recharges.
Charging from 0% to 100% will permit you about 500 recharges.
I'm getting ready to pack in my M8, and I want to go the same size or smaller for under $450 (tops). The Z5c seems to be the only Android phone that really fits that bill while keeping respectable performance, but there are two issues that have me thinking twice: overheating and the "self-cracking glass".
I know nothing can be done about the screen (unless a tempered glass protector helps to keep it intact), but the overheating, if fixed, could sway me away from the Honor 8 or LG G5. I've read that the firmware update that came along with Marshmallow has largely fixed the problem, and combined with a patch available here that throttles the phone a little more aggressively, heat is no longer a big problem. That said, I'm concerned about gimping the performance of the phone in order to keep it from char-broiling my hands. How noticeable is the throttling and, if thermals are still an issue with the phone, how big of one are they?
If you wouldn't recommend the Z5c, the thermal issues remain or the throttling hurts performance in a noticeable way, I'd be curious if there are any other phones (with a micro SD slot) that you think are worth looking at.
Thanks!
Hey , i have my phone from March
this year, 3-4 updates still overheating..
battery top 46C, and cpu 60C MAX so far and stays there,
but! when battery reached 40C+ and CPU 60C+, device become 50% slow (i guess to prevent overheating)
on some games\apps you feel it, some not,
even on anutu cold device is about 90K hot device is about 50K score
after 5 -15 minutes of gaming already from 28 to 43, (depend room temp and game\app) sometimes i can shoot 4K videos for 10 minutes sometimes 1 hour
i think self cracked glass happening because two reasons
1 mainly reason: moving fast from cold when the glass is pretty hot by much (heat cause expanded)
2.sitting on device without notice
ps
sorry if my english is bad
Superrman said:
Hey , i have my phone from March
this year, 3-4 updates still overheating..
battery top 46C, and cpu 60C MAX so far and stays there,
but! when battery reached 40C+ and CPU 60C+, device become 50% slow (i guess to prevent overheating)
on some games\apps you feel it, some not,
even on anutu cold device is about 90K hot device is about 50K score
after 5 -15 minutes of gaming already from 28 to 43, (depend room temp and game\app) sometimes i can shoot 4K videos for 10 minutes sometimes 1 hour
i think self cracked glass happening because two reasons
1 mainly reason: moving fast from cold when the glass is pretty hot by much (heat cause expanded)
2.sitting on device without notice
ps
sorry if my english is bad
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Thank you! Do you know if the X Compact will run any cooler? The lower power chipset can only help, but I'm concerned about paying $500 for a phone that might not be as powerful as its older brother, which now retails for $100+ less, especially if the overheating and cracked glass issues aren't solved.
If only the Honor 8 wasn't riddled with iOS disease...
you're welcome
As far as iknow for the X compact does not have 4K, slower GPU,(CPU speed is about the same) not water resistant \proof
but he run abit cooler and got more RAM 3 for multitasking
i own only Z5 Compact
X compact base on youtube reviews and reading online
one of many
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-aB-h4OPlE
first, sorry for my english .. i have my z5c about 2 months and i don`t have any problems with overheat .. i think only some devices are afected .. i`m running 6.0.1 rooted .. before i had an xperia z2 and while i play a game (clash of clans) was a lil bit warmer than z5c ..
adryanodej said:
first, sorry for my english .. i have my z5c about 2 months and i don`t have any problems with overheat .. i think only some devices are afected .. i`m running 6.0.1 rooted .. before i had an xperia z2 and while i play a game (clash of clans) was a lil bit warmer than z5c ..
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maybe hardware defective on some line, i remember every 3 months came new line ver 1 2 and 3 ( i think i have revision 1 or 2) 3 was available but didnt sold here
you can check your temp history somehow? like C3 widget?
or real time small app (shows cpu and batt temp)
maybe you dont play heavy games?
try run antutu 3-4 times see how much score is changing each run ,mine is from 90K to 50K more annoying then overheating himself
I run a few time antutu and i comback with results
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Superrman said:
maybe hardware defective on some line, i remember every 3 months came new line ver 1 2 and 3 ( i think i have revision 1 or 2) 3 was available but didnt sold here
you can check your temp history somehow? like C3 widget?
or real time small app (shows cpu and batt temp)
maybe you dont play heavy games?
try run antutu 3-4 times see how much score is changing each run ,mine is from 90K to 50K more annoying then overheating himself
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here are the results:
Played 10 min`s of strategy game: Cpu temp: 41c Battery temp 35c
then : 1st antutu 70.432 Cpu temp 42c Battery temp 38c
2nd antutu 62.831 Cpu temp 41 c Battery temp 38c
3rd antutu 62.148 Cpu temp 41c Battery temp 39c
anyway , your antutu score is much higher than mine in the first time (i think depends what rom, kernel do you use..) , but like u see, mine didn`t drop at 50.000 in 3 attempts .anyway my max cpu temp was 42c when i run for first time antutu,
Hope i helpt you
yup , thanks
i guess its also depend on the ROM
im using last update stock rom and kernel
ill root my device after my warranty expired
Superrman said:
yup , thanks
i guess its also depend on the ROM
im using last update stock rom and kernel
ill root my device after my warranty expired
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you are not on the latest antutu 6.2.1. maybe that`s the problem ...
it about the same results with the newer version ill upload later
adryanodej said:
you are not on the latest antutu 6.2.1. maybe that`s the problem ...
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here, i did now one is 36C and other 40C (the 1st one was right after unpluged from the charger) i let it cool off, and rerun
Superrman said:
here, i did now one is 36C and other 40C (the 1st one was right after unpluged from the charger) i let it cool off, and rerun
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What rom and kernel do you use? Do you have xposed?
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What rom and kernel do you use?
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stock :X i did not root yet
Any S810 device will overheat, it's inherently badly designed. Sony's hardware thermal solution is probably the best any OEM have done with the S810. It's also possible that Sony has optimized under-the-hood settings to further reduce load on the SoC and keep the temperature down.
Other software tweaks are mostly just a balance game of performance and throttling threshold.
Stock Sony firmware goes the more conservative route, so usually you won't experience noticeable heat when using it lightly.
It will still get pretty hot if you use it for intensive tasks that utilizes the full capacity of the hardware, such as playing demanding games, record in 4K for a long period of time, or watch videos that need a lot of complex decoding... etc.
If you're looking for performance without "unnecessary" throttling, just avoid all S810 devices.
Personally, most of the time I had no problems with the temp and perf of my Z5C, but there has been a few cases where I did experience slowdowns due to the throttling.
Got mine from December 2015. After few weeks of usage, it really overheats a lot. After several updates through the months, Device still overheats until now, still uncomfortable to the touch when it overheats. Tried reformatting yesterday, performance seems better with less bloatware stuff and on regular usage. But when cpu is under heavy load, device heats up and performance is reduced a lot to the point that it lags. But overall, still love my Z5C~ <3
It overheats uncomfortably. I tried xpower 4.0 ROM, smarttemperaturex mod, etc although it does reduce heat but not enough to be comfortable and im not talking about heavy tasks I'm talking about Firefox browser, WhatsApp and tapatalk.
The phone is almost never room temperature when using its either warm or hot which gets annoying after some time, don't even let me mention how hot it can get with few minutes of phone calls.
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I'd say go for X Compact. Zero overheating issues. This heat actually gets on your nerves at one point. While the gpu of X Compact is inferior, in long periods of gaming there won't be any throttling on XC but Z5c will give half the performance so at the end of the day, the X Compact will feel a lot snappier
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It overheats like crazy. I'm flashing 5.1 in hope that it will help.
When running Antutu i put my phone in refrigerator so that I can get a better score! :silly:
Any new cpu is hotter than quad-core of sd800/801 bcoz it's now much faster, even sd820 gets hot during heavy loading though better than sd810.
I've flashed SmartTemperatureX v1.61(no charging bug) and found temp is acceptable and battery life improved a bit.
Hi guys, this is something that keeps me up at night. The recent software update was supposed to make performance of the Moto Z better, and in actual daily usage I find nothing to complain about, but when it comes to benchmarks it's a whole different story, I have the uk version by the way. To be frank, I used to get about 129 000 in antutu, which is pretty low to start with, and now it's down to 126 000, geekbench is lower than you would expect from this phone too, at about 1350 single core and 3810 multicore. So basically I started this thread as a place where we could share our benchmark results and discuss them, because I have a feeling I just got an unlucky unit, because it also gets real hot real fast (up to 60 degrees celcium), and I can't make it last for more that 4 hours of screen on time, and I'm really not a heavy user. I just feel strange about this phone, because I love everything else about it, and it’s good that I do, because resale value on these things is beyond awful, tried to sell it for 500 bucks for months with no success.
Benchmarks mean abso-farking-lutly nothing. If they are keeping you up any night, you have a mental issue. I suggest you see a shrink.
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Benchmarks mean abso-farking-lutly nothing. If they are keeping you up any night, you have a mental issue. I suggest you see a shrink.
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Well, there is no reason to be so toxic my friend, my main concern is that I may be the only one here with such a low score, and since the score got even lower after some time that could mean I may have a defective device, and that would be a real problem to keep me up at night.
I don't think there's a problem with your unit, 4 hours screen on time sounds normal without the battery mod on. That drop in benchmark score isn't very significant unless it continues to drop dramatically. I have the UK model too, and it is underclocked by default to 1.8GHz. You could try the Turbo Z kernel to improve it
Also mine gets really hot fast when using Daydream VR or anything intensive but 60 °C isn't dangerous for the SD820. (You could check battery use in settings incase something is keeping your phone awake.)
Geekbench 4:
Single core 1369
Multi core 3779
Seems benchmarks are pretty similar. I'm on rooted Android N but stock kernel so same as yours.
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Well, there is no reason to be so toxic my friend, my main concern is that I may be the only one here with such a low score, and since the score got even lower after some time that could mean I may have a defective device, and that would be a real problem to keep me up at night.
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The only benchmark that matters is the one between your ears. And according to you, it passed.
in actual daily usage I find nothing to complain about
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All others are a waste of time.
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I don't think there's a problem with your unit, 4 hours screen on time sounds normal without the battery mod on. That drop in benchmark score isn't very significant unless it continues to drop dramatically. I have the UK model too, and it is underclocked by default to 1.8GHz. You could try the Turbo Z kernel to improve it
Also mine gets really hot fast when using Daydream VR or anything intensive but 60 °C isn't dangerous for the SD820. (You could check battery use in settings incase something is keeping your phone awake.)
Geekbench 4:
Single core 1369
Multi core 3779
Seems benchmarks are pretty similar. I'm on rooted Android N but stock kernel so same as yours.
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Thank you for your comforting and friendly reply, in battery settings Android OS, Android system, and phone idle are on top when I'm not using the phone actively, I've had laughable results sometimes, like yesterday I had 30 percent battery left with only about an hour of screen on time, again no gaming involved, but this usually happens when I'm moving around, if I stay at home and nothing happens to the phone it usually won't drain battery like that. I think the reason the phone gets hot easily is obviously because of how thin it is, for example, when I keep it in the pocket it's just as hot as my body tempreture, since it just absorbs heat that easily, but has a hard time getting rid of it.
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Thank you for your comforting and friendly reply, in battery settings Android OS, Android system, and phone idle are on top when I'm not using the phone actively, I've had laughable results sometimes, like yesterday I had 30 percent battery left with only about an hour of screen on time, again no gaming involved, but this usually happens when I'm moving around, if I stay at home and nothing happens to the phone it usually won't drain battery like that. I think the reason the phone gets hot easily is obviously because of how thin it is, for example, when I keep it in the pocket it's just as hot as my body tempreture, since it just absorbs heat that easily, but has a hard time getting rid of it.
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You're welcome. If you click on the graph you can see the awake time too, lately something has been keeping mine awake and draining the battery too. Not sure what it is yet, but if yours is getting really bad screen on time it could be similar. Likely an app running in the background keeping the phone awake which would heat it up more and drain the battery. There are wake lock detection apps that claim to be able to tell you which is causing this.
As you can see it's awake for long periods of time when the screen is off, and it really shouldn't be. Hope this helps :good:
Hello guys,
So the other day I was messing with thermals and I flashed a thermal that basically removes entire thermal throttling. Because of that, I was able to charge my phone at 33wat constantly for about 20 mins. The charging speed was super awesome, but I'm wondering is it safe to do so constantly? When I was back on stock settings, the charge speed would randomly fluctuate b/w 10-18 watt but with no throttling it just constantly remains on 33watt.
So again is it safe to keep charging my phone on these higher voltages constantly?
alifarhad said:
Hello guys,
So the other day I was messing with thermals and I flashed a thermal that basically removes entire thermal throttling. Because of that, I was able to charge my phone at 33wat constantly for about 20 mins. The charging speed was super awesome, but I'm wondering is it safe to do so constantly? When I was back on stock settings, the charge speed would randomly fluctuate b/w 10-18 watt but with no throttling it just constantly remains on 33watt.
So again is it safe to keep charging my phone on these higher voltages constantly?
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Not knowing enough about this, I'd assume it's not safe and that heating of the battery would be the issue and would lead to your battery being cooked over a series of charging cycles, but I see your point temperature was not excessive (34°) - I'd advise using an app to record moment by moment charging temperature
Assuming you didn't have your phone in a pool of cooled mineral oil during charging I'd assume that you've just become a test pilot. Let us know what happens... [consider also the possibility that your house might burn down]
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Not knowing enough about this, I'd assume it's not safe and that heating of the battery would be the issue and would lead to your battery being cooked over a series of charging cycles, but I see your point temperature was not excessive (34°) - I'd advise using an app to record moment by moment charging temperature
Assuming you didn't have your phone in a pool of cooled mineral oil during charging I'd assume that you've just become a test pilot. Let us know what happens... [consider also the possibility that your house might burn down]
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OK thanks for your insights. Yes I did some research on my own. Particularly from battery university (yes that's a thing, a whole website..) and I learned that as long as your battery temp doesn't hit 50c you can do whatever you want because in the end your phone only ever draws enough power that its circuitry was designed for. So that information was enough for me to continue my journey into hotter waters.
So far, during charging from 49% to 80% my poco only took about 17 mins to reach there and right when it reached 80c that I saw it start to throttle a bit so by the time it was 82, the watts came down to 25-28 range. So I guess that's hardware throttling in effect since I have already got the software ones removed? And anyway during these 17 mins, while the ambient temp at my place was 32c, the battery temp soared as far as 43c. I believe I would frequently hit the same temp even when I had all thermal enabled running on stock setup. So we can safely rule out that it didn't happen because of not having thermals but just because the ambaint + charging had their own way.
Lastly, I would continue doing this for few more days checking under air-conditioned room next and see how it goes. For now I'm sticking with 20-80 battery rule because that's supposed to be the safest thing in the world of li-on batteries.
Normally quickcharge will keep stuff safe so it will adjust accordingly.
If temps would get over 40-45 deg. c. over a long time it would take a hit on the 'life' of the cell.
Charging slow and between a range of 10 and 90% will help cell life for sure.
what kind of adapter were you using to get 33 watts? most i've seen on my phone is 22 or something watts
also, what font is that if you don't mind me asking
mine does 33 watts too ??
MinBCrafter said:
what kind of adapter were you using to get 33 watts? most i've seen on my phone is 22 or something watts
also, what font is that if you don't mind me asking
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Stock adapter that comes with box. And font is from IOS. Available in handy magisk model. Search inside magisk manager.
MinBCrafter said:
mine does 33 watts too ??
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Yep its 33watt as shown. What's your Rom + kernel setup?
alifarhad said:
Yep its 33watt as shown. What's your Rom + kernel setup?
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Pixel Experience w/f2fs (7/22/2019) + Optimus Drunk kernel latest
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Pixel Experience w/f2fs (7/22/2019) + Optimus Drunk kernel latest
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Whats the deal about f2fs I keep seeing this pop every once in a while but never got enough details on it. Since you are using it, can you educate me what it's and does it even make any difference?
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Whats the deal about f2fs I keep seeing this pop every once in a while but never got enough details on it. Since you are using it, can you educate me what it's and does it even make any difference?
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It's a file system for android, and yes it does make quite a decent (not like huge) difference when you load up apps (f2fs is usually used in the /data partition) basically apps open faster and it makes the phone feels snappier.
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OK thanks for your insights. Yes I did some research on my own. Particularly from battery university (yes that's a thing, a whole website..) and I learned that as long as your battery temp doesn't hit 50c you can do whatever you want because in the end your phone only ever draws enough power that its circuitry was designed for. So that information was enough for me to continue my journey into hotter waters.
So far, during charging from 49% to 80% my poco only took about 17 mins to reach there and right when it reached 80c that I saw it start to throttle a bit so by the time it was 82, the watts came down to 25-28 range. So I guess that's hardware throttling in effect since I have already got the software ones removed? And anyway during these 17 mins, while the ambient temp at my place was 32c, the battery temp soared as far as 43c. I believe I would frequently hit the same temp even when I had all thermal enabled running on stock setup. So we can safely rule out that it didn't happen because of not having thermals but just because the ambaint + charging had their own way.
Lastly, I would continue doing this for few more days checking under air-conditioned room next and see how it goes. For now I'm sticking with 20-80 battery rule because that's supposed to be the safest thing in the world of li-on batteries.
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But, how long does it take to reach 49% from 0% or from 20% as you say you follow the 20-80 rule?
Removing thermals is not a good idea, I'm not an expert but I get more fluid experience playing CODM , capping the max speed of all proccesors to 1.7ghz , and keep the phone charging at low voltage. I can play for hours at 60fps and the battery never hits 44c. Removing thermals and processor's cap, I would have a great 15 minutes of game and then it would be very hot and hardware throttle, to the extreme of even get only 20 frames /sec or even less.
All that heat is bad for battery and the components. The battery will go bad faster, inflating in worst cases, and the IPS panel can get permanent ghosting. I know this from previous devices poco included. I do gaming for hours. Removing thermals + gaming at high brightness is bad.
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Removing thermals is not a good idea, I'm not an expert but I get more fluid experience playing CODM , capping the max speed of all proccesors to 1.7ghz , and keep the phone charging at low voltage. I can play for hours at 60fps and the battery never hits 44c. Removing thermals and processor's cap, I would have a great 15 minutes of game and then it would be very hot and hardware throttle, to the extreme of even get only 20 frames /sec or even less.
All that heat is bad for battery and the components. The battery will go bad faster, inflating in worst cases, and the IPS panel can get permanent ghosting. I know this from previous devices poco included. I do gaming for hours. Removing thermals + gaming at high brightness is bad.
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Um, you don't just remove thermal limitations and charge like yesterday.
That is useless and in some cases counter-intuitive.
You highly decrease the temperature to 14 degree Celsius to 26/28 Degree Celsius and charge in that.
However as you say, if you're doing high intense activities that use a lot of hardware, which generally heats the phone, then having a heated phone for extended periods of time *might* be bad for the battery, well having any electronic device heated is bad for the internal circuitry. I have a personal experience with this.
That said, as long as you're using your phone for mild to medium intensity activities like watching multi-media applications and surfing, calling, etc removing thermals will have no significant issues and not reduce the battery life because your phone is mostly never going above 35/36 degree Celsius.
Or if you can, remove thermals whenever you're charging and put them back on whenever you're not.
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alifarhad said:
Hello guys,
So the other day I was messing with thermals and I flashed a thermal that basically removes entire thermal throttling. Because of that, I was able to charge my phone at 33wat constantly for about 20 mins. The charging speed was super awesome, but I'm wondering is it safe to do so constantly? When I was back on stock settings, the charge speed would randomly fluctuate b/w 10-18 watt but with no throttling it just constantly remains on 33watt.
So again is it safe to keep charging my phone on these higher voltages constantly?
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what app is that?
Fgacko said:
what
what app is that?
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FKM. Franco Kernel Manager.
shivy25 said:
FKM. Franco Kernel Manager.
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ah, thanks