Hi everyone,
I am wondering if there are any developers that are either looking to or are in the process of creating a reliable, tinting issue-less gcam HDR+ port for the Samsung Galaxy S9+ . I am asking this because I have been very disappointed with the quality of the pictures that the S9+ takes. Colour skewed, washed out, grainy, the list goes on and on. I would be more than willing to start a go fund me page for someone that is able to develop this and I'm sure that a lot of you would be interested in supporting them too. Please let me know if you or someone you know of would like to work on this project.
Thanks
Hi,
I have a Galaxy S9 Plus arriving tomorrow that I had intended to use with Filmic Pro and a Zhiyun Smooth 4 stabilizer (anyone got one?).
Somewhat belatedly, I've just discovered (here) that inbuilt restrictions prevent Filmic Pro from using the second rear camera.
Has anyone any experience of using the Filmic Pro's zoom function without the S9 Plus's optical zoom?
Thanks,
John Latter
Sadly it's true..
Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide
The Samsung S9 and S9+ are capable of absolutely stunning footage when used with FiLMiC Pro v6 for Android, and we have worked hard to bring the best possible shooting experience to both handsets. However there are two issues that can impact on the available features you have access to and overall performance on the S9/S9+.
Samsung’s implementation of the camera framework
Firstly, Samsung’s implementation of the Android camera framework denies third party developers access to some feature that are available in the native Samsung camera app. This includes high-speed framerates such as 60fps, 120fps and 240fps.
On Exynos equipped devices we have found a workaround that allows us to deliver high speed framerates even though not officially supported (up to 240fps at 1080p, and up to 60fps at 4k), however this is not applicable to snapdragon equipped devices (see below for more information).
The current Samsung camera framework implementation also prevents third party developers from supporting the dual lenses found on the S9+. At present only the wide lens is supported.
Finally, in order to deliver stable 4k performance we need to use Samsung's 'limited' mode that prevents access to the cinematographer kit LOG/FLAT profiles as well as custom white balance controls.
The Snapdragon CPU
And secondly, in addition to Samsung’s restrictive implementation of the camera framework, they chose to produce the S9 and S9+ with two different CPUs: an Exynos version - and a Snapdragon version.
You can find out which CPU your devices uses with the app AIDA64.
Unfortunately not all chips are created equal and the Snapdragon version has the following limitations for video:
No support for 60fps at any resolution
Whilst we can bypass the Samsung 60fps limitation on Exynos devices, this is impossible on Snapdragon devices.
No support for 120fps.
Whilst we can bypass the Samsung 120fps limitation on Exynos devices, this is impossible on Snapdragon devices.
Automatic White Balance UI doesn’t update.
The camera driver doesn’t provide information about the current white balance being applied, so we cannot reflect this status on the UI on snapdragon equipped devices.
HDR video unsupported
On Exynos versions of the S9/S9+ we can support access to high dynamic range video recordings, however this is not currently supported on Snapdragon equipped handsets.
hardecore said:
Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide
HDR video unsupported
On Exynos versions of the S9/S9+ we can support access to high dynamic range video recordings
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Do you plan to implement and release HDR recording for the Exynos version anytime soon?
hardecore said:
Sadly it's true... (followed by the Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide)
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According to this thread on the US Samsung Community forums, the 2 x optical zoom is not available to S9 Plus owners in Pro Mode.
In "Auto Mode" the second rear camera may or may not be selected by the software, depending - apparently - on "how much light is available".
In other words, there are probably lots of S9 Plus owners walking around thinking they've just taken a zoomed photo whereas in reality it's likely to be only a digital crop.
Amazing!
John Latter said:
Hi,
I have a Galaxy S9 Plus arriving tomorrow that I had intended to use with Filmic Pro and a Zhiyun Smooth 4 stabilizer (anyone got one?).
Somewhat belatedly, I've just discovered (here) that inbuilt restrictions prevent Filmic Pro from using the second rear camera.
Has anyone any experience of using the Filmic Pro's zoom function without the S9 Plus's optical zoom?
Thanks,
John Latter
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I don't have any experience with Filmic Pro.
But the default Samsung camera app also doesn't use the secondary camera for video. So it's not different.....
I had a few back and forth converstions with Samsung and Filic Pro support teams.
The following is the correspondence with Filic pro ragarding the matter:
Blue is me and black is Filmic pro support
"I'm sure you guys get annoyed about hearing about samsung users questions, but unfortunately I do not see any clear and open communication about it.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S9+
I would like to know if you guys are working on support for 4k 60fps, 1080p 120fps, and use of the telephoto lens. If so, do you have an estimated time frame that each of these will be supported?
How can I, or other samsung users, help to make the dream of full feature utilization a reality?
thank you"
"Thank you for writing in. Unfortunately, the lack of support for frame rates above 30fps on your device is due to errors in Samsung's camera framework implementation on S9 series devices containing the Snapdragon chipset. To learn more about these limitations, please refer to this resource --> Samsung S9 and S9+ FiLMiC Pro v6 Compatibility Guide
Furthermore, Samsung currently restrict 3rd party developers from accessing the tele lens on their devices. They told us at their developers conference last year that they plan to address this problem, but they are running late.
If Samsung correct these issues in the future, we will be quick to support for the features you mention. The best we can do is continue to raise the issue with Samsung until they recognize their users' demand for these repairs."
"I contacted you guys a few days ago regarding the S9+ and it's features and I received a very informative response that helped me a lot; so thanks for that!
I then decided to contact Samsung about the same issues and they seem to not be on the same page as you guys. After 2 support inquiries here is what I received from Samsung:
"We understand you would like Samsung to enable the [email protected], 1080p @ 60/120/240fps and utilization of telephoto lens to Filmic Pro app.
In the previous email, our agent had informed the camera specifications which the Galaxy S9+ supports. Indeed the Galaxy S9+ hardware supports [email protected] and 1080p @ 60/120/240fps using the in built Samsung camera app.
As the hardware supports the required format for videos, it is upon us the app developers to utilize the Camera hardware and develop the app code which can support this feature.
Samsung cannot change the software for the Camera if third party apps cannot utilize the camera hardware of Galaxy S9+. In this situation, we request to contact the app developer again and confirm if there are new updates available for the app which can support the camera hardware of Galaxy S9+."
With this in mind, it seems that they (or at least their support staff) believe that there are no restrictions on what 3rd party developers can do with the Samsung hardware. Because they are such a large company I would understand that their support staff is not privy to the detailed information of this one specific issue, but I'm curious if the entire company is not actually aware of the issue.
I realize this is a vague question, but I'm wondering if there is anything that can be done to push Samsung to allow Filmic pro to access all of the features that it's hardware provides. I have done extensive research of message boards and forums, but to no avail.
Can you point me in the right direction? Can we start some sort of petition? What can we do to get Samsungs attention?"
"Thanks very much for the followup. While it's true that Exynos devices are capable of the high fps/resolution combinations he mentions, S9 devices containing the Snapdragon chipset cannot achieve this with stability. It's a bit unclear to me, but it almost looks like he claims that 3rd party developers might now have access to both front facing lenses (!!). I at least I think that's what he means by "we request to contact the app developer again and confirm if there are new updates available for the app which can support the camera hardware of Galaxy S9+."
Anyway, I'm going to pass this along to the development team now to determine if maybe we did miss something in a system update that might grant us access to more features (at least for Snapdragon variants of S9 series devices, if we're lucky). We do understand that Samsung place restrictions on 3rd party developers in this manner, but we were told by Samsung at their developers conference last year that they plan to lift some of these restrictions. Maybe they changed their mind and pressing them with more requests for this improvement is not such a bad idea."
Conclusion:
Although I did not completely determine both company's standing on the issue, at least some light was shed on the matter. It also seems that Filmic pro will now press the issues further with Samsung to open up full feature capability at a future date.
If anyone knows of a way that we can group together in an effort to get Samsung's attention, please post about it here.
Just use an iphone. Had issues with my gimbal, drones, YOU name IT on android. No Issues on the iPhone.
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tharealmb said:
I don't have any experience with Filmic Pro.
But the default Samsung camera app also doesn't use the secondary camera for video. So it's not different.....
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Hello
On Oreo Samsung Camera app used Telephoto lens for video as well when there is enough light before you start recording it will switch to Telephoto. adjusting the zoom from 2.0 anywhere else while you are recording switches to Wide lens. (You can see shift in perspective and hear the click).
I could easily test this by pointing the camera directly to a light bulb before starting a recording on AUTO with 2x zoom.. (this doesn't work on current latest build of Pie and stock Camera app for video.
On Oreo you can verify that Telephoto lens is used by sticking some object or your finger in front of the wide lens while recording. ]
What makes me pissed off the most on Pie is that there is no support for Pro Mode Video - you cannot set manual ISO and/or Shutter and this was the main reasons why I purchased Filmic Pro.
To my surprise on Pie / Exynos The Filmic Pro app is able to switch apertures as well. I haven't see this on any other 3rd party camera app.
Regards,
Martin
Hi all,
So here's the deal... I was scrolling on facebook and because they know everything about me (except what phone I use apparently) I saw an ad for a pair of matching cases for the iPhone 11 Pro Max and iPad Pro. Before I realised I wanted it, I'd closed the app and lost the advert.
So, I wonder if anyone knows a similar thing for Samsung devices?
Hey guys, I've been offered one of these for really low money. As I understand it the camera lacks in night-time environment and is mainly due to software processing?
Wondering if anybody has tested any of the gcam apps and how did you find it? This phone uses a cheap mediatek chipset right? In which case would I be better off trying gcam apps ported for which device such as Huawei P30?
Thankyou
Where can I find a decently working Surround Shot software version for the S23 Ultra's camera? Shortly after Samsung introduced this years ago, they stopped supporting it and it's not even available anymore. Why? And is there a third-party version if not one directly from Samsung?
Support for it apparantly ended with Android 9 and the N8 and S8 series of devices.
Seems like cool app. You would think Samsung be using all the SOC power for apps like this.
Not much information on this. Getting it to work be a handful... at best.