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Got my new Note, this is my first droid phone, and I got LOTS of questions. I currently have the i717 version, unrooted.
1) Is currently is any reliable way to install ICS on the i717?
2) How do I check if there were any previous kernel or ROM flashes?
3) Is there a reliable way to root the device WITHOUT increasing the counter (assuming it is currently at 0)?
4) How do I move installed apps, which are currently under "System Storage" to "USB storage"?
I can answer all of your questions very simply. Search and read.
yep all ur answers are here just gotta read,
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Hi guys, found 2 answers so far, still looking for #1 and #4 if someone can point me to the right threads to ready it would be appreciated.
no ics for this device just yet and to move to sd there's an app u can use i just don't know the name or i think u can even use root explorer not sure on that one ill let someone else shine in on that
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funziebear said:
no ics for this device just yet and to move to sd there's an app u can use i just don't know the name or i think u can even use root explorer not sure on that one ill let someone else shine in on that
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Ya from what I gathered, there is ICS for the international version. I have yet to see something for the i717.
I dont have an SD yet, I was referring to moving them from System to USB storage.
I will be getting as SD soon though.
GalNote said:
Ya from what I gathered, there is ICS for the international version. I have yet to see something for the i717.
I dont have an SD yet, I was referring to moving them from System to USB storage.
I will be getting as SD soon though.
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There are two potential SD cards for the Note. One is the internal SD card. This is actually the part of the phone where you store your music and other files. It's the space allotted by the OS for storage. The Note comes with 16GB of internal storage, but 2GB is reserved for the system. You cannot access this for data storage. There is also a portion of the internal SD card that is used by the OS itself.
The remaining amount of storage is about 12GB. This is accessible through a file explorer such as Root Explorer, ES File Explorer, etc, and is located in the /sdcard folder. This is where any App2SD type app will move apps to. This is also where you store your music and other files like photos, etc.
The Note also has a slot for an external SD card. To access it, you take the battery cover off and right next to the SIM card, there is a little slot for the micro SD card. The Note is published as handling up to 32GB micro SD cards, but there are plenty of people using 64GB micro SD cards with their phone.
Using the external SD card would allow you to add additional music and photos and other files. It is not used at all by the OS or system, so you would have as much space on it as you can after formatting it. (You lose some space after formatting.)
So to summarize: the Note has 16GB, about 12GB available through the internal SD card. You can add additional storage using the external SD card (officially up to 32 GB, unofficially up to 64Gb).
lactardjosh said:
There are two potential SD cards for the Note. One is the internal SD card. This is actually the part of the phone where you store your music and other files. It's the space allotted by the OS for storage. The Note comes with 16GB of internal storage, but 2GB is reserved for the system. You cannot access this for data storage. There is also a portion of the internal SD card that is used by the OS itself.
The remaining amount of storage is about 12GB. This is accessible through a file explorer such as Root Explorer, ES File Explorer, etc, and is located in the /sdcard folder. This is where any App2SD type app will move apps to. This is also where you store your music and other files like photos, etc.
The Note also has a slot for an external SD card. To access it, you take the battery cover off and right next to the SIM card, there is a little slot for the micro SD card. The Note is published as handling up to 32GB micro SD cards, but there are plenty of people using 64GB micro SD cards with their phone.
Using the external SD card would allow you to add additional music and photos and other files. It is not used at all by the OS or system, so you would have as much space on it as you can after formatting it. (You lose some space after formatting.)
So to summarize: the Note has 16GB, about 12GB available through the internal SD card. You can add additional storage using the external SD card (officially up to 32 GB, unofficially up to 64Gb).
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Got it, but still have a little question. I noticed when I install any app, it goes directly onto the 2GB system reserved space. What if I run out of that 2GB, what happens in that case, can I move the installed apps into the 12GB or I have to move it into the purchased/external SD card?
GalNote said:
Got it, but still have a little question. I noticed when I install any app, it goes directly onto the 2GB system reserved space. What if I run out of that 2GB, what happens in that case, can I move the installed apps into the 12GB or I have to move it into the purchased/external SD card?
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Read this paragraph again.
The remaining amount of storage is about 12GB. This is accessible through a file explorer such as Root Explorer, ES File Explorer, etc, and is located in the /sdcard folder. This is where any App2SD type app will move apps to. This is also where you store your music and other files like photos, etc.
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^^ got it, thanks.
K I researched and read, I still cannot find out if I can safely root my Bell i717, without increasing the flash counters.
Also, it seems there is no ICS yet available for this device.
Can someone please chime in?
wow this thread cleared up a lot for me. Still got a few questions though...so when i go to settings and click on an app and click "move app to sd" it moves it to the "internal sd" which has about 12gb of space? so then what goes on the external sd card? is the storage on the SD card ONLY accessible when you plug it into a computer and put it in mass storage mode? I remember when I had my nexus one, moving apps to sd actually put it on the external sd card..
The note is not a DROID. Droid is a verizon marketing term.
You can reset your flash counter. So even if you increase it by flashing CWM or rooting then just reset it back to 0. That's what I did.
Once CWM is installed flash all the ROMs you want through CWM. Just back up nandroid first and you can always go back.
I use a 64GB microSD card and store nandroid backups, photos, videos, podcasts, etc.
The internal SD (USB Storage) is used for app data.
GalNote said:
Hi guys, found 2 answers so far, still looking for #1 and #4 if someone can point me to the right threads to ready it would be appreciated.
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Root ir phone throigh odin then go search dev thread for the rom u want read the requiements then flash they r all good
note @ 1.83
... You don't need root to flash a ROM.
Instead of rooting with Odin, just flash CWM with Odin then flash the ROM from there.
The only reason to root first, is to run titanium backup if you so desire
Hi guys I am new to android and I got myself a Micromax A110 running on android ics with 2 gb of internal SD card memory...
As you guys can figure, the internal memory just isn't enough for installing heavy games and storing and downloading large videos and music, so I added a 32 gb external micro SD card.. the card shows in my file manager and its contents are accessible, most apps like ttpod, ttorrent, vlc, chrome etc don't detect my external card. They only access the contents of my internal SD card, download to it.. I can't set the default directory to the external card...
When I installed nfs most wanted to my phone, it asked me to free up data in my SD card or insert another one as there was no space left due to obvious reasons of my internal SD card being filled with other apps.. I uninstalled and reinstalled it after setting the default storage location to the external storage... I found that the game installed in the internal storage this time and on startup, it gave the same message..
Is it a common problem or a limitation to the OS? Is there a work around for this? If so how? Does my phone needs to be rooted for the purpose? Please help as the problem is getting annoying.. my external card is lying almost empty...
Thanks in advance,
Extremely sorry for the long post...
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It's because Google made the stupid decision, starting with Honeycomb (which is why the Motorola Xoom, the first Honeycomb device needed an update to enable use of it's MicroSD card slot) to merge the /data/ and /sdcard/ partitions. What that means is that the SD card becomes a virtual space (a folder, in fact) located in the same place where all your apps are stored. Why is it stupid? If you have a phone that actually has a MicroSD card slot, like yours or the Galaxy S III, the MicroSD card becomes a different "folder" (something like /sdext/, which stands for either extension or external). Only apps that specifically are programmed to look for that mount point/folder will be able to use it. Most music/video/picture players/viewers can, because it makes sense to automatically program to do that. But with large games, like you said, NFS Most Wanted (which I also have), it sucks because the game is like 2GB.
My Galaxy S3 has 16GB internal and a 32GB card. I'm forced to use the internal storage only for large games because they don't see the memory card. It sucks. The good thing about merging /data/ and /sdcard/ is that it simplifies things, like on the iPhone where your space is your space, no matter how you use it. It used to be that you had like 1GB or 2GB for apps (the APK files only, not the files that games download for example) (which the HTC One X does, but still only uses internal storage because there's no card slot), and the rest went to your MicroSD card slot. Now it's all to internal storage because your internal storage IS your MicroSD card slot at system level.
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It's because Google made the stupid decision, starting with Honeycomb (which is why the Motorola Xoom, the first Honeycomb device needed an update to enable use of it's MicroSD card slot) to merge the /data/ and /sdcard/ partitions. What that means is that the SD card becomes a virtual space (a folder, in fact) located in the same place where all your apps are stored. Why is it stupid? If you have a phone that actually has a MicroSD card slot, like yours or the Galaxy S III, the MicroSD card becomes a different "folder" (something like /sdext/, which stands for either extension or external). Only apps that specifically are programmed to look for that mount point/folder will be able to use it. Most music/video/picture players/viewers can, because it makes sense to automatically program to do that. But with large games, like you said, NFS Most Wanted (which I also have), it sucks because the game is like 2GB.
My Galaxy S3 has 16GB internal and a 32GB card. I'm forced to use the internal storage only for large games because they don't see the memory card. It sucks. The good thing about merging /data/ and /sdcard/ is that it simplifies things, like on the iPhone where your space is your space, no matter how you use it. It used to be that you had like 1GB or 2GB for apps (the APK files only, not the files that games download for example) (which the HTC One X does, but still only uses internal storage because there's no card slot), and the rest went to your MicroSD card slot. Now it's all to internal storage because your internal storage IS your MicroSD card slot at system level.
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Hey man! Thanks for the reply....
Can you tell me how to work out a solution for this?
Is directory bind or fstab file hack the only solution?
Is it possible to overcome this without root?
And some apps do detect my Micro SD card... It is in the directory mnt/sdcard2
Please post questions one time only and in the proper Q&A section.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2019921
Hello,
What is the easiest way to expand the usable memory for apps on an Android KitKat phone which is rooted? I have seen many apps and solutions to this. Link2SD looks to be the simplest. I want to enable the device to use the external SD card to store apps and data to. The phone I have, LG L70 D321 has 2GB of phone storage and 2GB of internal RAM (ridiculous). I have a 16GB external SD card which I want to load the apps onto since the other space is already exhausted.
The solution should be transparent to the end user, meaning that when they install a new app, it simply gets installed to the SD card without having to do anything extra like assigning paths or anything.
Thanks everyone.
There are a few apps that will install them on sd cards but be warned it will hurt performance and may cause issues. Also no widgets for anything on sd card.
Does anyone happen to know if Android M will be adding support for installing applications to external USB storage?
Id like to know that as well, but for the moment Im using foldermount to map the data and obb folders to the external usb and its working perfectly
You need to be rooted first to use foldermount, correct?
lartomar2002 said:
You need to be rooted first to use foldermount, correct?
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Yes, that is correct.
i need Android M to use my micro SD card as my main storage on my box but want can i do? my system is rooted and i have stickmont mounted with a USB 3.0 hub with 3 4TB drives for my media in Kodi can i still use foldermount with stickmount for my SD card
It's foldermount and I've not tried it through a hub. As long as you can see the drive in a file manager you should be able to map folders to it. If not your just need to run one of the drives directly from the usb3 port on the Sheild and run everything else through the hub on the other port
Thanks for the clarification. I was a bit confused on this myself.
I guess my main interest was ,can you install directly to external storage without the need for root or foldermount in Android M? Have any of you testers looked at this yet?
wastate2014 said:
I guess my main interest was ,can you install directly to external storage without the need for root or foldermount in Android M? Have any of you testers looked at this yet?
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Android M allows you merge the external device with the internal storage capacity. it locks the external storage device to that android device but effectively shows it as internal storage and is used as such.
Spiteful Monkey said:
Android M allows you merge the external device with the internal storage capacity. it locks the external storage device to that android device but effectively shows it as internal storage and is used as such.
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Quick question mate because I can't seem to get a definitive answer. Will it allow you to do that with external usb storage as well or just the sd card?
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I have been on the fence on which version of Shield to purchase. I have no issue with foldermount but moving the data manually gets to be a pain in the butt. Even with foldermount once you start installing a games library moving just the obb data to external storage still fills up the internal drive pretty fast. These streaming boxes need a solution to connect external drives out of the box without any mods whatsoever which I hope M will fix? $300.00 for a Android Box is very steep when you consider a Xbox one is about the same price with current promotions.
I bought the 16 GB and don't regret it. With an old 32 GB micro SD and root hacks there is no issue of storage space even with half a dozen big games (e.g. Half-Life 2) and many smaller games and apps. Also, the 16 GB box is completely silent (which I imagine an SSHD wouldn't be after a few years). I store my media collection on a NAS that wouldn't even fit on the 500 GB anyway. Furthermore I think they've announced (over on Nvidia's official forum) that SD card write access will be enabled in firmware upgrade v2.0, which is the next to be released and presumably is based on Android M. I simply wouldn't pay $300 for a TV box, $200 was already a stretch.
wastate2014 said:
I have been on the fence on which version of Shield to purchase. I have no issue with foldermount but moving the data manually gets to be a pain in the butt. Even with foldermount once you start installing a games library moving just the obb data to external storage still fills up the internal drive pretty fast.
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With foldermount I have mapped the obb and data folders to external usb 3. You shouldn't have to move data manually, once set it will just go there automatically. I've got 2.5ish gig used on the internal which is just the stock rom and a few apps and I've used about 50gig on the usb3 with my mapped folders and some Roms. I can't envisage ever running out of space on the internal, as its basically just holding the stock rom and any apk's I install.
baileyjr said:
With foldermount I have mapped the obb and data folders to external usb 3. You shouldn't have to move data manually, once set it will just go there automatically. I've got 2.5ish gig used on the internal which is just the stock rom and a few apps and I've used about 50gig on the usb3 with my mapped folders and some Roms. I can't envisage ever running out of space on the internal, as its basically just holding the stock rom and any apk's I install.
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How did you map folders to your external drive? And you mapped them and now they move automatically? Can you talk me through the process?
LiamAtkins90 said:
How did you map folders to your external drive? And you mapped them and now they move automatically? Can you talk me through the process?
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You need root and the paid version of foldermount obviously and you need to have a mouse to navigate the setup because you can't set it up using just the controller. Other than that its pretty straightforward, select the folder you want to move and foldermount will suggest a location to move it to. By default it will map to the external sd card but there is a little box at the top right hand corner and if you click it you can select your own location. It will then offer to move everything already in the folder to the new location. This may take some time obviously and you wont see the notification to say that it was running to be patient. Then click the box in setting that says apply on boot and your all done.
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I don't think Android M will support installing applications to external Usb storage.
Android is always more inclined to using persistant storage for apps / media / whatever. Which is why nexus phones don't have micro sd slot. I wouldn't think Android will support this feature anytime in near future.
bharat g said:
I don't think Android M will support installing applications to external Usb storage.
Android is always more inclined to using persistant storage for apps / media / whatever. Which is why nexus phones don't have micro sd slot. I wouldn't think Android will support this feature anytime in near future.
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This is a feature of Android M, that phones with a micro SD card, you can merge it with your internal storage, but the catch is the phone/tablet whatever device has Android M on it, it encrypts the card and makes it unusable on any other device. So although we gain an extra few gigs or whatever size card you have, you loose the ability to have it as portable storage without formatting it again.
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This is a feature of Android M, that phones with a micro SD card, you can merge it with your internal storage, but the catch is the phone/tablet whatever device has Android M on it, it encrypts the card and makes it unusable on any other device. So although we gain an extra few gigs or whatever size card you have, you loose the ability to have it as portable storage without formatting it again.
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Ok, was unaware of this. But, Such feature is only applicable to microsd cards.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...or-accessed-normally-with-no-additional-apps/
I think the OP asked about external USB storage which should be Pen Drive via OTG. Still, it cannot be used for apps.
LiamAtkins90 said:
This is a feature of Android M, that phones with a micro SD card, you can merge it with your internal storage, but the catch is the phone/tablet whatever device has Android M on it, it encrypts the card and makes it unusable on any other device. So although we gain an extra few gigs or whatever size card you have, you loose the ability to have it as portable storage without formatting it again.
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Will this eventually be available for Shield TV?
So I bought a used Moto E 1st Gen to use while my Nexus 5X is being repaired, but I've found it to be almost unusable, thanks to its limited internal storage. It can't even update all the built in apps without running out of room, and none of them are transferable to my 32GB micro SD card! Installing new apps is very difficult, and sometimes impossible.
I think that part of the trouble is that it's running Android 5.1, which I believe significantly impaired the ability to make use of the external memory (right?).
I was hoping to use this phone temporarily as a backup device, and as such, I really just wanted it pure and simple and easy. The phone seems fine and the battery life is great, but I can't put all my apps on it.
So what's the most pragmatic way of dealing with this problem? Can I flash an older, stock ROM without having to unlock the bootloader? If I unlock it and flash a custom ROM, won't the later ones suffer this problem too? Would I be best using an older ROM from the days before Lollipop when external memory was easier to take advantage of?
Thanks wise sages, George
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See friend, if you don't want to unlock your bootloader then you must flash the stock KitKat ROM as you can use your memory card to move the apps. But you can only move the apps which can be moved to external and if you have apps which can't be moved to external, you may run out of storage.
If you unlock your bootloader and flash Custom ROM which is MM or higher then you can use your memory card as adoptable storage. Using Sd Card as adopted storage would not let you run out of storage and is future proof as heavy apps moves automatically into adopted storage
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@hendrald
See friend, if you don't want to unlock your bootloader then you must flash the stock KitKat ROM as you can use your memory card to move the apps. But you can only move the apps which can be moved to external and if you have apps which can't be moved to external, you may run out of storage.
If you unlock your bootloader and flash Custom ROM which is MM or higher then you can use your memory card as adoptable storage. Using Sd Card as adopted storage would not let you run out of storage and is future proof as heavy apps moves automatically into adopted storage
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Thank you, I hadn't heard of the adopted storage thing, because there's no SD card slot in the Nexus. It's exactly what I needed. I've installed the latest Lineage nightly and its working wonderfully, so far.
Henrald said:
Thank you, I hadn't heard of the adopted storage thing, because there's no SD card slot in the Nexus. It's exactly what I needed. I've installed the latest Lineage nightly and its working wonderfully, so far.
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To make adoptable storage insert a card into your phone running MM or higher it will ask you if you want to use the SD card as a portable device or Internal. By selecting ‘Internal’ you are now moving to the new Adoptable Storage function and the SD card will be formatted. Make sure you backup your data on card and you must use a high speed(class 10) memory card.