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please someone explain to me why the pictures taken by the camera are so bad knowing its still an 8mp camera, my iPhone shoots better pictures than z ultra even my galaxy s2 pictures are better. It is the processing done by sony to pictures taken by camera, if yes if it is disabled will then the pictures be better , please someone explain
Over processing. It's a software issue.
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Over processing. It's a software issue.
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since its software how can that be fixed or replaced with another software
hykhleif said:
since its software how can that be fixed or replaced with another software
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How can it be fixed? By not raping our photos after we've taken them. It's an idiotic decision by Sony.
I've read that Camera Zoom on the Play Store gives better results, but you still won't get good photos unless there's a good light source. Sony needs to push out an update that corrects the over processing, but god knows if and when that will happen. In the meantime, check out the Play Store and play around with different camera apps.
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How can it be fixed? By not raping our photos after we've taken them. It's an idiotic decision by Sony.
I've read that Camera Zoom on the Play Store gives better results, but you still won't get good photos unless there's a good light source. Sony needs to push out an update that corrects the over processing, but god knows if and when that will happen. In the meantime, check out the Play Store and play around with different camera apps.
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thats even awful to know that its a software bug, how come sony did not see that huge problem?????
hykhleif said:
thats even awful to know that its a software bug, how come sony did not see that huge problem?????
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They were probably trying to push it out on the market as quickly as possible, which we also saw in other areas of the software (SODs, screen issues, phantom clicks etc.)
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They were probably trying to push it out on the market as quickly as possible, which we also saw in other areas of the software (SODs, screen issues, phantom clicks etc.)
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i dont know about sony how they handle problem through updates but is sony good in that area, as I came from samsung devices???
hykhleif said:
i dont know about sony how they handle problem through updates but is sony good in that area, as I came from samsung devices???
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They seem to be I got my phone last week and already got 3 or 4 updates.
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i dont know about sony how they handle problem through updates but is sony good in that area, as I came from samsung devices???
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we've had three updates in three months. Seem to be way better than Samsung.
The camera is horrible until you start manually controlling ISO. Even in lower light I keep it at 400 or 800, anything over that will just look like **** but you'll be surprised with the quality of the pictures you can take when you set the ISO to 200 or 400
I think it's not just software that's the problem with the Ultra. I think Sony intentionally used a very cheap sensor that is marketed as 8MP but is actually just comparable to VGA. Gives me the reason to save up for the X-E2.
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You should try Lenovo super camera.( Google the apk) It really improves the image quality. But i agree. It looks like 2MP on stock camera.
keithleyson said:
I think it's not just software that's the problem with the Ultra. I think Sony intentionally used a very cheap sensor that is marketed as 8MP but is actually just comparable to VGA. Gives me the reason to save up for the X-E2.
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Agreed. SONY is so cheap.
They simply don't want to make a perfect device.
IMO, the camera takes ok pictures for social media use, if I need something to hang in my living room, I'll use my dslr or rx100
if you try to take pic with Ultra Z in the house the pic is so bad i don't want even look at it, it contains alot of grain, but outside the house the pic is ok. i got also Xperia arc, the photo taken by arc is much better than Ultra Z.
Poor i did not know this before buying the thing
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if you try to take pic with Ultra Z in the house the pic is so bad i don't want even look at it, it contains alot of grain, but outside the house the pic is ok. i got also Xperia arc, the photo taken by arc is much better than Ultra Z.
Poor i did not know this before buying the thing
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I agree I will now likely be returning the device.
My 4-5 year old Sony Xperia X1 with a 3.2 MP camera takes better photos then this phone.
Basically the ZU camera is not usable for anything but taking a photo of a sign / piece of paper to remember / remind you of some notes.
Forget about taking a photo of your friends, or anything really.
Its quite depressing, i love everything about the phone and really want to keep it, but the quality is so bad that the word bad, is a grave overstatement and makes it sound good.
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I agree I will now likely be returning the device.
My 4-5 year old Sony Xperia X1 with a 3.2 MP camera takes better photos then this phone.
Basically the ZU camera is not usable for anything but taking a photo of a sign / piece of paper to remember / remind you of some notes.
Forget about taking a photo of your friends, or anything really.
Its quite depressing, i love everything about the phone and really want to keep it, but the quality is so bad that the word bad, is a grave overstatement and makes it sound good.
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Totally agree, i can't put it in better words. I can't imagine that sony uses this kind of quality in this high end phone. That really isn't logically, I assume it's a software thing.
The real reason come from the thickness...
A normal sensor is very thick! Close the Z Ultra. How you want to do like this.
Software will probably help, but don't dream: Z Ultra and his sensor is to thin.
Have you tried a different camera app like FV-5? I hope the pictures can be fixed with an app because I went in to the store to test out the device and the photos were really terrible!
After reading all the review and my device photo result, i think i know the culprit. It is related to the no flash condition on the Ultra, thus to be able to reach higher light into the sensor, they purposefully increase the ISO level to the extreme. Thus the grainy photo. Once you reduce the ISO into the low 100-400 with manual mode, the quality increased tremendously.
But how to counter attack the reduced light? well, none that i know of with stock camera, but the Camera FV5 with modified shutter speed seems like the best solution. For me, even though the stock experience is bad, when tweaked, it's very adequate for an 8mp
PC Mag has a review of the Asus Zenfone 3 Deluxe here.
Those of you with the phone, what are your thoughts? This one review turns me off the phone.
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PC Mag has a review of the Asus Zenfone 3 Deluxe here.
Those of you with the phone, what are your thoughts? This one review turns me off the phone.
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PC Mag did indeed seem to test the Deluxe 5.7"/6/64 version; as for the "bloat":
1: this is a very subjective topic; most reviews are on the contrary, applauding ASUS for slimming ZenUI down, but I don't have the phone yet so can't say for myself. Some might like it, for others it might be too much. Again - the keyword is "subjective".
2: there are a lot of hands on reviews on youtube - do your research; don't base your opinion on just 1 review.
3: Hoping ASUS will release the bootloader unlock tool, custom roms should come quite fast, thus bloatware will no longer be an issue
I certainly don't intend to make a decision on one review.
Regarding YouTube 'reviews', I have found that most spend so much time just flicking the screen back and fourth and up and down...and don't very often offer much. I will likely take a look, but expect better info here in the forums.
I wonder if the reviewer used a note 7 or not because it does the same regarding warnings of: RAM, app closures, battery life, Samsung + and rebooting after being on for 7 days w/o a reboot.
He did. He rated the note 7 as the best smartphone he had ever used.
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I did go check out YouTube reviews. After 4 that only talks about what features and specs it has, I decided that yes, YouTube reviews aren't much value.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiYqIl3UxkY
Nice review if you don't mind the robot voice.
I'm just curious about the camera, on paper it should be good but how often have we seen that translate into crap in real life.
And of course dropping $1300 on a device with a BL that can't be unlocked is against my religion lol..need to see if Asus will be willing to allow an unlock.
And all of this sucks as I returned my note 7 and am now using a 2 year old note 4 so I need a new device ASAP.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiYqIl3UxkY
Nice review if you don't mind the robot voice.
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Thanks for linking that. It was a pretty good review.
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I'm just curious about the camera, on paper it should be good but how often have we seen that translate into crap in real life.
And of course dropping $1300 on a device with a BL that can't be unlocked is against my religion lol..need to see if Asus will be willing to allow an unlock.
And all of this sucks as I returned my note 7 and am now using a 2 year old note 4 so I need a new device ASAP.
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Well, it has the same lens and sensor as the Sony Xperia X, and dxomark rated it an 88. That ties it as the highest ranked camera on a smartphone until the pixel is finally on the street, at a whopping 89.
https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Sony-Xperia-X-Performance-Mobile-review-Impressive-results
https://www.google.com/amp/s/recombu.com/mobile/article/sony-xperia-x-camera-review/amp
Granted, there is a lot more to how well the camera takes pictures than just the hardware. But, given that the hardware has proven to be top of the line, it means this phone should take amazing images.
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I can't say about the 64gb/4gbversion as I got the 256gb/6gb version but as with the Zenfone 2, you can uninstall most of the Asus apps. It's pretty quick and does everything I want.
Battery lasts a good day, tested it with video watching for about 6 hours and that off an OTG device with about 28% left.
Not really a photographer but the pictures are fine. Very good in bright light but fall down a bit in low light, as with most phones.
Call quality is fine, no problem with others hearing me or me them.
As I say, there may indeed be a difference between models but the one I have is great...
Like it a lot and would recommend.
Now that I have my phone, it is obvious that PC Mag review was very biased. This phone is 4.5/5 stars easy.
As i said the before on another thread, this phone is amazing , i got the 64g/6 version, i was going after the 256 one, but sadly it was sold out when i got there, it's no problem though , the version i have is more then enough and with the SD card included makes it more better. i do love the camera quality on this, including the 1920x1080 at 60 FPS, there is also 4k video as well.
And My Carrier signal is strong as well. Just hope now to get some custom roms into this phone when ASUS releases the sources, looking at the zenhone 2, seems they got a lot of it, so i hope the same here. There is things i can't control on here, like the LED notifications (none of the apps don't work from google play) and for some odd reason when you get a text message or e-mail, nothing lights the screen up, though i do get the sound or vibration from it, i had to get an APP for that and it works nicley with that.
Another review that is not particularly overly positive. Especially related to pictures in low light; and battery not all that great.
And one here from Toms Guide with pretty much the samenegative results. But this one goes into a lot more detail and covers a lot of the good in the phone.
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Another review that is not particularly overly positive. Especially related to pictures in low light; and battery not all that great.
And one here from Toms Guide with pretty much the samenegative results. But this one goes into a lot more detail and covers a lot of the good in the phone.
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Tomsguide review is the closest to explaining the phone in general terms along with it's shortcomings. I don't think it necessarily negative either. I've read and viewed quite a few reviews but my own experience after almost 2 weeks is that its a really good phone with the issues listed in the tomsguide review. For me battery life has been pretty good after bloat removal. Can't wait for root.
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Another review that is not particularly overly positive. Especially related to pictures in low light; and battery not all that great.
And one here from Toms Guide with pretty much the samenegative results. But this one goes into a lot more detail and covers a lot of the good in the phone.
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All these reviews are old and done before Asus released its Camera updates. For instance, the shutter Is super fast for me and photos look great, but I started out on updated phones. Asus has a another camera update getting ready to get pushed to my Special Edition. It is already available on their site so it should be getting pushed via OTA any day now. Don't judge the camera based on any review done before the US Release date, they are inaccurate. I need to go to the store and do a camera comparison with the other phones.
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Quoted from one of those reviews "The Bad:?*Poor camera performance for its price, fingerprint reader could not read one of my fingers for some reason, 1080p not ideal on such a large display, Zen UI needs refinements".
First off, the updates must've fixed a whole lot as I don't understand the poor camera reviews and I am sure other current owners would agree.
Fingerprint reader works perfect for me, so it was probably 'I.D.10-T' on the part of the reviewer.
This is my first experience with ZenUI and it is amazing in every aspect. Just a pleasure to use. I instantly installed a few updates for that too though so maybe that is the difference in our experiences.
Lastly, anyone who says you need more than a 1080p screen on a 5.7" phone is an utter moron falling for gimmicks. I have perfect eyesight and I cannot see a single pixel on this screen, no matter how close I look, and this display looks amazing. Anything with a higher resolution would only serve to drain the battery faster. The only possible benefit of higher resolution on this phone would be for VR. If VR is a non-factor for you, then ignore anyone who says you need a better resolution. Now I haven't tried out VR at all yet as I am just waiting to see whether the HTC Vive or Oculus Rift wins, so I don't actually know if you need more than 1080p. Higher resolution always means greater constraints on performance though so 1080p may even be better for VR on phones right now. Like I said though, I will defer to experienced VR users on that. Outside of VR, I assure you, higher than a 1080 resolution on a 5.7" phone will only serve to drain your battery faster.
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All these reviews are old and done before Asus released its Camera updates. For instance, the shutter Is super fast for me and photos look great, but I started out on updated phones. Asus has a another camera update getting ready to get pushed to my Special Edition. It is already available on their site so it should be getting pushed via OTA any day now. Don't judge the camera based on any review done before the US Release date, they are inaccurate. I need to go to the store and do a camera comparison with the other phones.
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Quoted from one of those reviews "The Bad:?*Poor camera performance for its price, fingerprint reader could not read one of my fingers for some reason, 1080p not ideal on such a large display, Zen UI needs refinements".
First off, the updates must've fixed a whole lot as I don't understand the poor camera reviews and I am sure other current owners would agree.
Fingerprint reader works perfect for me, so it was probably 'I.D.10-T' on the part of the reviewer.
This is my first experience with ZenUI and it is amazing in every aspect. Just a pleasure to use. I instantly installed a few updates for that too though so maybe that is the difference in our experiences.
Lastly, anyone who says you need more than a 1080p screen on a 5.7" phone is an utter moron falling for gimmicks. I have perfect eyesight and I cannot see a single pixel on this screen, no matter how close I look, and this display looks amazing. Anything with a higher resolution would only serve to drain the battery faster. The only possible benefit of higher resolution on this phone would be for VR. If VR is a non-factor for you, then ignore anyone who says you need a better resolution. Now I haven't tried out VR at all yet as I am just waiting to see whether the HTC Vive or Oculus Rift wins, so I don't actually know if you need more than 1080p. Higher resolution always means greater constraints on performance though so 1080p may even be better for VR on phones right now. Like I said though, I will defer to experienced VR users on that. Outside of VR, I assure you, higher than a 1080 resolution on a 5.7" phone will only serve to drain your battery faster.
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I agree with that alot, those reviews seems before the update and the phone is amazing as well the camera ability, and what i said before with the 60 FPS recording makes it all more better. I wish i was able to get the speical edition in time , but i missed it sadly. No worries , i'm still happy with the 64/6 with my 128 GB SD Card, though that will be increase in the coming future hehe.
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I agree with that alot, those reviews seems before the update and the phone is amazing as well the camera ability, and what i said before with the 60 FPS recording makes it all more better. I wish i was able to get the speical edition in time , but i missed it sadly. No worries , i'm still happy with the 64/6 with my 128 GB SD Card, though that will be increase in the coming future hehe.
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That one chipchick review was definitely dumb. Couldn't read one of my fingers? really? laughable... I have seen reviews of another phone (LG V20) where reviewers and users sh*t-talked it's fingerprint reader, realizing only later that they forgot to take the new protective plastic cover off of the button...
Don't get me started about the 1080p screen complainers... The Super AMOLED screen is one this year's best. What's worse about these reviewers is that phone makers listened to them when they complained last year about preferring 1080p over QHD because they struggled to find a big viewing difference and battery life was better on 1080p. phoneArena's first paragraph mentions that here. At this point it's more about Lazy reviewers and bragging rights than the actual facts.
I do seem to notice the shutter lag and low-light focus hunt on my phone's camera more than other people it seems, and I have the latest updates. Judging by others on here maybe it's just my phone, or I'm taking more low light pics. Quality is otherwise great in normal daytime usage.
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I agree with that alot, those reviews seems before the update and the phone is amazing as well the camera ability, and what i said before with the 60 FPS recording makes it all more better. I wish i was able to get the speical edition in time , but i missed it sadly. No worries , i'm still happy with the 64/6 with my 128 GB SD Card, though that will be increase in the coming future hehe.
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Have you tried a 256GB card? The US Asus site says 128GB SD card limit and the global site says a 2TB max SD card size. So the question which is correct or did the US version just get gypped?
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Have you tried a 256GB card? The US Asus site says 128GB SD card limit and the global site says a 2TB max SD card size. So the question which is correct or did the US version just get gypped?
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Okay so upon investigation, it looks so far as the Taiwanese version (Asus' home country) was the one to get 2TB. US and India are both 128GB on their sites. I'm going to check a few more countries.
Edit: Japan got 2TB too, then again, they don't even have the 64GB SD820 version at all.
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That one chipchick review was definitely dumb. Couldn't read one of my fingers? really? laughable... I have seen reviews of another phone (LG V20) where reviewers and users sh*t-talked it's fingerprint reader, realizing only later that they forgot to take the new protective plastic cover off of the button...
Don't get me started about the 1080p screen complainers... The Super AMOLED screen is one this year's best. What's worse about these reviewers is that phone makers listened to them when they complained last year about preferring 1080p over QHD because they struggled to find a big viewing difference and battery life was better on 1080p. phoneArena's first paragraph mentions that here. At this point it's more about Lazy reviewers and bragging rights than the actual facts.
I do seem to notice the shutter lag and low-light focus hunt on my phone's camera more than other people it seems, and I have the latest updates. Judging by others on here maybe it's just my phone, or I'm taking more low light pics. Quality is otherwise great in normal daytime usage.
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When I click the shutter, my screen flashes a tenth of a second later. I never expected instantaneous on a phone though...I upgraded from a note 2 though and don't care about pictures that much. Is it supposed to be instantaneous? Asus just released another update to improve the camera further on their site and it should be getting pushed to our phones soon. Well it has been released for the SD821, but that means the SD820 should get posted soon, if not already. The OTA hasn't been pushed to my phone yet but I read somewhere that it could take a week to push the OTA after they release it.
I would like better pics in low light but I feel that is strictly software and should get better with updates. We will see.
Edit: actually I just went to the camera and it is actually instant when I hold the phone steady.
Hi to all,
We all love V30. We all wait LG V30 and real photo/video comparison. V30 is the phone with all good things. And the main thing what are we waiting for is camera.
So I search to see witch camera did V30 have and it is Sony IMX351, with 1,6 aperture, with 1pixel size. This means that small pixel is not so good for low lightcand for the details. V30 will catch photos without noise because 1.6 aperture but not so much light in the dark because 1 pixel size. And this camera sensor Huawei P10 use it for front camera. This make me a big disappointed. Why they use a average camera? The competition (Samsung, Google, Appel) use camera with big pixels.
Last night I watch google pixel 2 and how DXOMark write the best phone camera on the market.
Samsung and Appel have very good camera.
Where here is V30? In the middle? Or near like them?
So what you think? Is this camera sensor very bad or not? Is Possible to V30 with software make very good camera?
P. S. And OIS is veey bad on V30, every video is shake so much. Is possible with updates to make OIS+EIS for better stabilization?
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Hi to all,
We all love V30. We all wait LG V30 and real photo/video comparison. V30 is the phone with all good things. And the main thing what are we waiting for is camera.
So I search to see witch camera did V30 have and it is Sony IMX351, with 1,6 aperture, with 1pixel size. This means that small pixel is not so good for low lightcand for the details. V30 will catch photos without noise because 1.6 aperture but not so much light in the dark because 1 pixel size. And this camera sensor Huawei P10 use it for front camera. This make me a big disappointed. Why they use a average camera? The competition (Samsung, Google, Appel) use camera with big pixels.
Last night I watch google pixel 2 and how DXOMark write the best phone camera on the market.
Samsung and Appel have very good camera.
Where here is V30? In the middle? Or near like them?
So what you think? Is this camera sensor very bad or not? Is Possible to V30 with software make very good camera?
P. S. And OIS is veey bad on V30, every video is shake so much. Is possible with updates to make OIS+EIS for better stabilization?
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I think this will answer your question, v30 is as good as xl
https://youtu.be/OCqBHavIuAY
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I think this will answer your question, v30 is as good as xl
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Thx a lot for your answer but is this user credible? How did he get Pixel and V30? :/ is this true?
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Thx a lot for your answer but is this user credible? How did he get Pixel and V30? :/ is this true?
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His channel is very popular, I don't think he would lie about the devices he compares. After the presentation of the pixel xl, testers could take the phones for a test ride outside. Also same way lg gave test units to some youtubers, that's how he can have both. So you can believe the credibility of this video although unfortunately front-facing camera is a disappointment an there's not much lg can do about that
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I'll know soon enough. I ended up pre-ordering one from my carrier a few minutes ago. Says it'll ship anywhere between today and Monday. (Not that I trust that estimate but fingers crossed that it is true.) If it ships today and I have it in hand by the weekend, I have a standard set of tests I can run on it. Otherwise, hopefully it is still here so I can use it at a concert on Wednesday. I'm keeping my V20 so I'll be able to side by side with that.
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I'll know soon enough. I ended up pre-ordering one from my carrier a few minutes ago. Says it'll ship anywhere between today and Monday. (Not that I trust that estimate but fingers crossed that it is true.) If it ships today and I have it in hand by the weekend, I have a standard set of tests I can run on it. Otherwise, hopefully it is still here so I can use it at a concert on Wednesday. I'm keeping my V20 so I'll be able to side by side with that.
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Hi I would be very interested in the results of your tests and especially the quality you get at the live concert! Please share if you have the time ☺ also a comparison of the audio recording capabilities of the V30 vs those of the v20! They should be quite similar in quality
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Hi I would be very interested in the results of your tests and especially the quality you get at the live concert! Please share if you have the time also a comparison of the audio recording capabilities of the V30 vs those of the v20! They should be quite similar in quality
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We will see! I also frequent a dark jazz club a lot here in KC. So I have plenty of opportunities to test audio and video in the absolute worst conditions. I can tell you that the V20 mics using just the HD Audio app that it came up with picks up things pretty clearly. Unfortunately, it also picks up the other people in the club talking too. That's not a knock against the phone though. I'll be interested in seeing how the directional mics compare while recording video. Although, I still need to figure out those sliders.
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I'll know soon enough. I ended up pre-ordering one from my carrier a few minutes ago. Says it'll ship anywhere between today and Monday. (Not that I trust that estimate but fingers crossed that it is true.) If it ships today and I have it in hand by the weekend, I have a standard set of tests I can run on it. Otherwise, hopefully it is still here so I can use it at a concert on Wednesday. I'm keeping my V20 so I'll be able to side by side with that.
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Thx a lot my friend I hope you will enjoy I will your new phone. The V30 is the phone what all we want it is just All In One phone, but just we need really camera comparison. And I hope that they will release full good update for camera.
P. S. Yes, someone will tell if you want good camera buy DSLR, that's true but if I want to buy flagship phone I want with good camera.
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We will see! I also frequent a dark jazz club a lot here in KC. So I have plenty of opportunities to test audio and video in the absolute worst conditions. I can tell you that the V20 mics using just the HD Audio app that it came up with picks up things pretty clearly. Unfortunately, it also picks up the other people in the club talking too. That's not a knock against the phone though. I'll be interested in seeing how the directional mics compare while recording video. Although, I still need to figure out those sliders.
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Looking forward very much to these tests! Thank you so much! I heard a rumour that the V30 mikes cannot be directed like the v20 could but it could be nonsense there are two mikes instead of the three in the v20
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Thx a lot my friend I hope you will enjoy I will your new phone. The V30 is the phone what all we want it is just All In One phone, but just we need really camera comparison. And I hope that they will release full good update for camera.
P. S. Yes, someone will tell if you want good camera buy DSLR, that's true but if I want to buy flagship phone I want with good camera.
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Ha! I'm a bit of a photographer already. I shoot with a full frame DSLR and a smaller mirror less in addition to my cellphones. To tell you the truth, I only drag my DSLR out for road trips and special shooting conditions. At this point I do most of my shooting with smaller sensors like my mirror less or cellphone. DSLR sensors are too clinically clean for my tastes. I just reset my Flickr account settings so people can see which shots are done with which camera:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/
I will say that when I shoot, most of the shots are going to end up in B&W. That's just my shooting preference.
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Looking forward very much to these tests! Thank you so much! I heard a rumour that the V30 mikes cannot be directed like the v20 could but it could be nonsense there are two mikes instead of the three in the v20
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The information about the V30 is a bit confusing. I've looked my V20 over and over for the three mics it's listed as having and only ever saw two holes for mics, one on top and one on the bottom. In the JerryRig tear down of the V30, he does point out something interesting though. He points out the same two mics but then mentions that the phone's earpiece becomes a mic in very loud conditions. I'm guessing the V20 did the same then and explains why the sound when testing video recording sounds different than if I am just doing audio recording without video.
As for whether the mics are directional or not while recording video, I swear I saw one video where someone was demonstrating it on the V30. Only problem is that I've watched just about every V30 video on YouTube from a lot of the larger tech contributors that I will have a hell of a time trying to go back and look for it. I suspect it will be there.
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Ha! I'm a bit of a photographer already. I shoot with a full frame DSLR and a smaller mirror less in addition to my cellphones. To tell you the truth, I only drag my DSLR out for road trips and special shooting conditions. At this point I do most of my shooting with smaller sensors like my mirror less or cellphone. DSLR sensors are too clinically clean for my tastes. I just reset my Flickr account settings so people can see which shots are done with which camera:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/
I will say that when I shoot, most of the shots are going to end up in B&W. That's just my shooting preference.
The information about the V30 is a bit confusing. I've looked my V20 over and over for the three mics it's listed as having and only ever saw two holes for mics, one on top and one on the bottom. In the JerryRig tear down of the V30, he does point out something interesting though. He points out the same two mics but then mentions that the phone's earpiece becomes a mic in very loud conditions. I'm guessing the V20 did the same then and explains why the sound when testing video recording sounds different than if I am just doing audio recording without video.
As for whether the mics are directional or not while recording video, I swear I saw one video where someone was demonstrating it on the V30. Only problem is that I've watched just about every V30 video on YouTube from a lot of the larger tech contributors that I will have a hell of a time trying to go back and look for it. I suspect it will be there.
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Waaoo thx you a lot. I hope a good camera comparison (test) for LG V30 from you. And, your photos are very nice
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In the JerryRig tear down of the V30, he does point out something interesting though. He points out the same two mics but then mentions that the phone's earpiece becomes a mic in very loud conditions.
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Yes, like concerts. That was very interesting part of the video.
In LG official web site, now they put info about camera. It is good it see that Slow Motion have 240fps at 720p. But too bad it is not 1080p...
LG V30 camera is phenomenal, Saw a comparison between the Galaxy Note 8, the LG V30 did a lot better, specially the rear cameras., LG V30 should have been released faster and for the DXOmark scores, the V30 should score higher than Galaxy Note 8.
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LG V30 camera is phenomenal, Saw a comparison between the Galaxy Note 8, the LG V30 did a lot better, specially the rear cameras., LG V30 should have been released faster and for the DXOmark scores, the V30 should score higher than Galaxy Note 8.
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I hope that will be soon very good comparison between last flagships.
I'm not a grammar Nazi but its not old enough to be past tense.... "Does the v30 have a crappy camera?"
Guys as a long time htc user, I have been on xda for a long time just for htc mega thread. After doing a little research, I noticed that there's no such thread for lg, there are separate threads for lg devices but no mega thread where all but mostly latest devices are discussed. Can someone start a thread like that?
Also if you can read or don't mind translating Korean language, here's an amazingly detailed review of lg v30
http://m.post.naver.com/viewer/post...No=11981539&searchKeyword=lg v30&searchRank=2
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Ha! I'm a bit of a photographer already. I shoot with a full frame DSLR and a smaller mirror less in addition to my cellphones. To tell you the truth, I only drag my DSLR out for road trips and special shooting conditions. At this point I do most of my shooting with smaller sensors like my mirror less or cellphone. DSLR sensors are too clinically clean for my tastes. I just reset my Flickr account settings so people can see which shots are done with which camera:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/chimphappyhour/
I will say that when I shoot, most of the shots are going to end up in B&W. That's just my shooting preference.
The information about the V30 is a bit confusing. I've looked my V20 over and over for the three mics it's listed as having and only ever saw two holes for mics, one on top and one on the bottom. In the JerryRig tear down of the V30, he does point out something interesting though. He points out the same two mics but then mentions that the phone's earpiece becomes a mic in very loud conditions. I'm guessing the V20 did the same then and explains why the sound when testing video recording sounds different than if I am just doing audio recording without video.
As for whether the mics are directional or not while recording video, I swear I saw one video where someone was demonstrating it on the V30. Only problem is that I've watched just about every V30 video on YouTube from a lot of the larger tech contributors that I will have a hell of a time trying to go back and look for it. I suspect it will be there.
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Thank you! You mentioned that the audio recording quality changes between using the camera while on video vs recording only audio with the dedicated audio recording app on the LG, which one gets you the better audio and utilises the earpiece as a mic please? Are you able to record high pitches like a flute or sax on the high register and drum sets?
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Guys as a long time htc user, I have been on xda for a long time just for htc mega thread. After doing a little research, I noticed that there's no such thread for lg, there are separate threads for lg devices but no mega thread where all but mostly latest devices are discussed. Can someone start a thread like that?
Also if you can read or don't mind translating Korean language, here's an amazingly detailed review of lg v30
http://m.post.naver.com/viewer/post...No=11981539&searchKeyword=lg v30&searchRank=2
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Thx a lot for this web site. How I see that everything is nice. But the camera is still (I think) bad. The V20 have better photos at night, and V30 dont have so good dynamic range. What's wrong with V30? Softwear problem or hardware?
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Thx a lot for your answer but is this user credible? How did he get Pixel and V30? :/ is this true?
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No. it's obvious fake
Those are true
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If it ships today and I have it in hand by the weekend, I have a standard set of tests I can run on it.
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Hi to all
Is possible to increase bitrate of 240 fps slow motion which is 10mbps? It will be much better video quality if it possible to put on 25mbps like GoPro Hero 6.
I don't see the option to do so. Of course, I also don't see the same amount of space dedicated to imaging in a cellphone that I see in a GoPro or any camera for that matter.
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I don't see the option to do so. Of course, I also don't see the same amount of space dedicated to imaging in a cellphone that I see in a GoPro or any camera for that matter.
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Yes I know that, but still Samsung S7, S8 have more bitrate then 10mbps
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Yes I know that, but still Samsung S7, S8 have more bitrate then 10mbps
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A) What are they using?
B) Is it actually enough of a difference that most people can tell?
C) Is it enough to produce image quality that you would ditch using a GoPro for this same work?
D) What penalty is incurred for using this higher bitrate?
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Hi to all
Is possible to increase bitrate of 240 fps slow motion which is 10mbps? It will be much better video quality if it possible to put on 25mbps like GoPro Hero 6.
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Is it possible to change the bitrate on any phone, especially without root? I'm not aware that it's possible to do this. Can you change resolution while recording in 240fps? I haven't tried on V30 but Don't XZ premium is stuck at 720p when recording at 960fps.
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A) What are they using?
B) Is it actually enough of a difference that most people can tell?
C) Is it enough to produce image quality that you would ditch using a GoPro for this same work?
D) What penalty is incurred for using this higher bitrate?
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I just ask because thay are very big difference in slow motion quality in V30 and. smasung S7, S8, Note 8, Iphone 6, 7, 8 and etc...
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Is it possible to change the bitrate on any phone, especially without root? I'm not aware that it's possible to do this. Can you change resolution while recording in 240fps? I haven't tried on V30 but Don't XZ premium is stuck at 720p when recording at 960fps.
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I ask this because this is a Video phone. The slow motion is bad for now in V30, so I ask is there possible to change Mbps in video for slow motion.
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I just ask because thay are very big difference in slow motion quality in V30 and. smasung S7, S8, Note 8, Iphone 6, 7, 8 and etc...
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Got a link to a side by side comparison shooting the same subjects at the same time?
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I ask this because this is a Video phone. The slow motion is bad for now in V30, so I ask is there possible to change Mbps in video for slow motion.
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Correct, this is a video phone. The concentration is on the 1080 and 4K content creation from a cellphone. (Emphasis on that last part. If you're really worried about video quality, chances are you're using a bigger dedicated camera.) Slow motion is more of a gimmicky side trick and not really the main focus of cellphones. Even the much talked about Sony XZ seems to be so so in the slow motion department.
In the end with all imaging pursuits you have to keep in mind that this is a cellphone. The phrase "jack of all trades, a master of none" applies. If you're worried about slow motion quality they make dedicated cameras for that and they cost a very pretty penny. Even my DSLRs and mirrorless cameras don't really do slow-motion and their entire size and processing systems are dedicated entirely to imaging!
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Got a link to a side by side comparison shooting the same subjects at the same time?
Correct, this is a video phone. The concentration is on the 1080 and 4K content creation from a cellphone. (Emphasis on that last part. If you're really worried about video quality, chances are you're using a bigger dedicated camera.) Slow motion is more of a gimmicky side trick and not really the main focus of cellphones. Even the much talked about Sony XZ seems to be so so in the slow motion department.
In the end with all imaging pursuits you have to keep in mind that this is a cellphone. The phrase "jack of all trades, a master of none" applies. If you're worried about slow motion quality they make dedicated cameras for that and they cost a very pretty penny. Even my DSLRs and mirrorless cameras don't really do slow-motion and their entire size and processing systems are dedicated entirely to imaging!
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Thx for you answer, but I don't know why are you angry on me? I know you have V30, i don't have yet. But im planing to buy soon as possible. I like V30 so much but I would like to know much more about camera and will LG fix somethings in future updates.?
Why I put all this questions? Because the competition who have the same hardware have something much better then this phone. I want to know what im buying. I will put some examples:
1. LG V30 and OnePlus 5 have EIS. If you compare this two phones V30 video is like they didn't have EIS. This Is just software implementation. OP5 is not video phone, V30 is video phone. What is problem with V30?
2. The same comparison between LG V30 and OP5, when you focus on something and took the photo with OP5 you will never get "White sky" Instead of the blue sky like LG V30. This is not because camera sensor it is because camera software. The Google camera fix this problem on V30...
3. About slow motion, this is comparison between LG V30 vs Samsung S8, go on 6:10 -
You can see how much mire is better S8. And they are much more video examples on Youtube.
Is LG able to make an even better camera in new updates? YES! Do they want it, we do not know that...
Yes you can change the bitrate. Try Open Camera from the playstore. you should be able to change bitrate with that app. It would just depend on the phone whether it can handle it or not.
I dont see a reason why not trying to increase Video Bitrate. There where camera rom's out in the past that significantly increased the recording bit-rate
of some phones. For example my very old HTC Sensation had a camera mod that pushed up FullHD recording from ?16 to something about 40! Mbps, that was absolutly georgeous! If the hardware supports it in any way why the heck dont try it and let the people decide themselves instead of nip the idea in the bud by arguing "buy a real ...blah ", "its not intended blah.."
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I dont see a reason why not trying to increase Video Bitrate. There where camera rom's out in the past that significantly increased the recording bit-rate
of some phones. For example my very old HTC Sensation had a camera mod that pushed up FullHD recording from ?16 to something about 40! Mbps, that was absolutely gorgeous! If the hardware supports it in any way why the heck don't try it and let the people decide themselves instead of nip the idea in the bud by arguing "buy a real ...blah ", "its not intended blah.."
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You have a point. This is where dev work is very helpful in pushing the limits of what our phones can do. These manufacturers spend a few months creating the hardware and software, then move on to the next phone coming out. Rarely do they go back and IMPROVE features (unless it's bug fixes). Whereas many people keep their phones for 2 or 3 years. Devs have time to examine, tweak, improve in ways the manufacturer design team never would. To the OEM, once it's shipped, it's shipped.
This is why even LG G4 devs are porting features from our LG V30, that LG would never give the G4. But in the same vein, XDA devs can give the V30 features LG wouldn't give the V30 because they ran out of time before it shipped.
There's always areas of improvement. This is a great phone with great features, I think one of the two best out there right now (along with the Note 8) -- but the best for me. I own three now, and while I'm a fan I'm not going to say everything is perfect.
If someone can improve the bit rate of slow mo, go for it.
If someone can create a great bokeh effect portrait mode with LG camera, go for it.
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You have a point. This is where dev work is very helpful in pushing the limits of what our phones can do. These manufacturers spend a few months creating the hardware and software, then move on to the next phone coming out. Rarely do they go back and IMPROVE features (unless it's bug fixes). Whereas many people keep their phones for 2 or 3 years. Devs have time to examine, tweak, improve in ways the manufacturer design team never would. To the OEM, once it's shipped, it's shipped.
This is why even LG G4 devs are porting features from our LG V30, that LG would never give the G4. But in the same vein, XDA devs can give the V30 features LG wouldn't give the V30 because they ran out of time before it shipped.
There's always areas of improvement. This is a great phone with great features, I think one of the two best out there right now (along with the Note 8) -- but the best for me. I own three now, and while I'm a fan I'm not going to say everything is perfect.
If someone can improve the bit rate of slow mo, go for it.
If someone can create a great bokeh effect portrait mode with LG camera, go for it.
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Not sure if you're aware , but by now Bokeh effect already works great with the V30. Both on the selfie camera and on the rear main camera.
Also, HDR+ works on all 3 lens and it is amazing.
Last, the quality of the selfie is pretty good now! Even in low light.
(Just get the cstark27 google cam apps - two APK - one for wide and one for the rest).
This makes ****load of difference, making it probably the best camera phone out there.
Just make sure "HDR+ Enhanced" is chosen.
Hi there, I've taken quite a few photos with the mate 10 pro. All on automatic settings, but I'm a bit disappointed with the results... when you zoom in a bit (to peoples faces) they look like oil paintings...
I'm on UK C782 ver .124. bought from cpw.
I'm not interested in fannying about with different modes... I'm talking about taking a picture of your kids on auto promptly... they never stand still for more than a couple of seconds, so you don't have time to set exposure, and iso etc etc !!!!
Haven't had an update in months, so am wondering if there are any updates (that might be impending) that improve the camera a bit... was really expecting better from a dual camera Leica setup...
Hoping for some good news
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Hi there, I've taken quite a few photos with the mate 10 pro. All on automatic settings, but I'm a bit disappointed with the results... when you zoom in a bit (to peoples faces) they look like oil paintings...
I'm on UK C782 ver .124. bought from cpw.
I'm not interested in fannying about with different modes... I'm talking about taking a picture of your kids on auto promptly... they never stand still for more than a couple of seconds, so you don't have time to set exposure, and iso etc etc !!!!
Haven't had an update in months, so am wondering if there are any updates (that might be impending) that improve the camera a bit... was really expecting better from a dual camera Leica setup...
Hoping for some good news
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I had this problem with my Mate 10 pro, the only way I managed to solve this issue was to replace the phone with a Pixel 2 Xl!
You might now be thinking "ok smart arse, why are you trolling the M10P threads?"
As much as i like the Pixel, i'm still kinda interested in the M10P and was hoping a firmware update has sorted the oil paintings. Clearly not hence your thread.
One thing you could try is installing the pixel camera apk, its on the forum section somewhere. Guess I'll still with the pixel!
You can enable RAW images. It will take a JPEG and a DNG file with each click. The DNG is unprocessed, so it doesn't have that aggressive NR, but it takes an extra step to get sharable pictures out of it.
Wish NR level is a setting, but unfortunately, it is not. However, it is completely a software issue, so Huawei theoretically can fix it if they feel that their post processing isn't very good. I just doubt that they will. On the other hand, I've seen hacked APKs for the Moto camera app that allowed changes to NR, so that might be a solution in the future.
I do believe this is a software issue... I think the hardware is capable of much more but Huawei has smoothed things way too aggressively... I'm on pretty old firmware (but that's a moan for another thread) so was wondering if any of the guys with newer firmware noticed any improvements...
I have the same issue on my Mate 10 Pro I was literally shocked because I had the Mate 9 before. the camera of the Mate 9 is better than this Version. i really use snapchat a lot and you just can't get any usable pictures with it. even with the main camera the photos Look blurry and Oily? i am very unsatisfied i hope it will get fixed soon ... greetings from Germany
use 'open camera' with the jpeg quality set to highest
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I had this problem with my Mate 10 pro, the only way I managed to solve this issue was to replace the phone with a Pixel 2 Xl!
You might now be thinking "ok smart arse, why are you trolling the M10P threads?"
As much as i like the Pixel, i'm still kinda interested in the M10P and was hoping a firmware update has sorted the oil paintings. Clearly not hence your thread.
One thing you could try is installing the pixel camera apk, its on the forum section somewhere. Guess I'll still with the pixel!
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Strange that you should say that...because I bought a pixel XL 2 - because was frustrated by low quality photos and abysmal updates from Huawei (still running Nov security patch ffs)...
Took similar photos with M10Pro and Pixel XL 2, and Pixel photos blew Mate 10's out of the water.. despite being 12MP as opposed to the 20MP of the M10Pro...
But... I do like the feel of the M10Pro, it's a truly gorgeous device..(feels good in the hand !!, ladies... to quote Flossy Carter)... just wish the camera was that bit better... a dude suggested installing open camera... might give that a whirr... but it's a bit naff that you've got to install a 3rd party camera app coz the supplied one is [email protected]
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hmm.. so much for its "AI" assisted camera. Maybe AI stands for "Artist's Impression!"
so many pics look like an oil painting!
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Strange that you should say that...because I bought a pixel XL 2 - because was frustrated by low quality photos and abysmal updates from Huawei (still running Nov security patch ffs)...
Took similar photos with M10Pro and Pixel XL 2, and Pixel photos blew Mate 10's out of the water.. despite being 12MP as opposed to the 20MP of the M10Pro...
But... I do like the feel of the M10Pro, it's a truly gorgeous device..(feels good in the hand !!, ladies... to quote Flossy Carter)... just wish the camera was that bit better... a dude suggested installing open camera... might give that a whirr... but it's a bit naff that you've got to install a 3rd party camera app coz the supplied one is [email protected]
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I hear ya, It is a great device, has everything I was looking for, IR blaster, Battery, premium build (feels good in the hand, ladies ) but the camera and the updates just killed it for me. Thought I'd dip back in and see how things are going. I recon Huawei will drop this phone now. all hands on the P20 pump!
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hmm.. so much for its "AI" assisted camera. Maybe AI stands for "Artist's Impression!"
so many pics look like an oil painting!
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I hear ya, It is a great device, has everything I was looking for, IR blaster, Battery, premium build (feels good in the hand, ladies ) but the camera and the updates just killed it for me. Thought I'd dip back in and see how things are going. I recon Huawei will drop this phone now. all hands on the P20 pump!
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It's a bummer, do like the phone, but Huawei have a lot to learn from the big boys... I've had one update in 3 months... utter sh!te from Huawei... for all I know the latest firmware could have the best camera on earth.... but until Huawei push it out at their utter glacial pace, it might as well be on the far side of the moon... Hardware isn't everything, without decent software....
thats why now i dont believe in dxo anymore . 97 score ? really ?
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It's a bummer, do like the phone, but Huawei have a lot to learn from the big boys... I've had one update in 3 months... utter sh!te from Huawei... for all I know the latest firmware could have the best camera on earth.... but until Huawei push it out at their utter glacial pace, it might as well be on the far side of the moon... Hardware isn't everything, without decent software....
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I received two updates in the first five weeks of ownership, so can't complain about that aspect. Different regions are getting different tiers of updates, so I'm wondering whether your local carriers have anything to do with the slow availability of updates (i.e., I'm wondering if Huawei is consulting with UK carriers to decide on what's included in the C782 firmware - I'm on C636 and currently up to version 131).
I hadn't really noticed any issues with photos until I came across your thread, and now see that if I zoom right in, I can see the effects overly-aggressive smoothing. This doesn't really pose a problem for me as I've never thought of a mobile 'phone camera as being good for anything more than "happy snaps," but I can understand that some people want better performance (especially given that this is a major selling point of the Mate 10).
I agree that it's very likely only a software issue; hopefully Huawei will allow their developers to wrest themselves away from the View 10 (which seems to be getting the lion's share of software attention at the moment) for long enough to give us a tangible update for the Mate 10.
So with a pixel 2 when a photo is zoomed in, there is no grainy effect either ? If its a choice between grainy and oil painting, for me both are bad and not a reason to specifically complain about Mate 10.
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It's a bummer, do like the phone, but Huawei have a lot to learn from the big boys... I've had one update in 3 months... utter sh!te from Huawei... for all I know the latest firmware could have the best camera on earth.... but until Huawei push it out at their utter glacial pace, it might as well be on the far side of the moon... Hardware isn't everything, without decent software....
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Totally agree, talking of updates, my Honor 8 is stuck on August 2017 security patch. Neither the staff on phones or twitter have an answer as to wether i'll get an update or what the latest version is.
So glad I have the P2XL. Maybe Huawei will get their act together for the M11?!
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people don't look like look like oil pantings with pics taken on my Pixel
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Totally agree, talking of updates, my Honor 8 is stuck on August 2017 security patch. Neither the staff on phones or twitter have an answer as to wether i'll get an update or what the latest version is.
So glad I have the P2XL. Maybe Huawei will get their act together for the M11?!
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people don't look like look like oil pantings with pics taken on my Pixel
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Why do you expect a mid 2016 Huawei's budget priced Honor phone to update security patches every month ?
Android should get their act together first before expecting skinned roms to be easy and frequent as stock android. From a global scale each country has their own roms and every time Android comes with up some minor patch (likley not even an important patch) Huawei and Honor all have to deliver update to their 50+ phone models in 80 different countries ? From a realistic view don't expect any change in update frequency from Huawei until Android from the core has changed first.
My mate 10 being flagship has received its 3rd update since December and i am more than happy. Realistically i know after 1 year the updates gets less frequent and when close to release of the Mate 12 , i don't expect any more than once or twice a year update.
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Why do you expect a mid 2016 Huawei's budget priced Honor phone to update security patches every month ?
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where did I say every month? I do expect patches as Honor sold the phone on the understanding it would receive updates for two years. I take your point though. There is something odd going on with Huawei/Honor distribution. Some like yourself seem to be getting frequent updates. Others like myself are being disappointed. Mine were SIM free so should avoid carrier delays.
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So with a pixel 2 when a photo is zoomed in, there is no grainy effect either ? If its a choice between grainy and oil painting, for me both are bad and not a reason to specifically complain about Mate 10.
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Think you missed the point... Zoom into the pixel 2 xl photos and they're not grainy. Or over processed. They just look good.. Which I was hoping the 20Mp snapper on the m10pro would achieve also considering the quality of the optics
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Think you missed the point... Zoom into the pixel 2 xl photos and they're not grainy. Or over processed. They just look good.. Which I was hoping the 20Mp snapper on the m10pro would achieve also considering the quality of the optics
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As you said before for me is simply a software issue, I hope at list I had a p9 plus before and the photos did't have this watercolor effect when you zoom
Sounds like beauty mode. Sure it's turned off?
this thread is about photo quality and i don't see a single photo here, proof baby proof
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Sounds like beauty mode. Sure it's turned off?
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Can't find any beauty settings for rear camera...(have found them on the front facing one and they make a serious difference (smoothing out even my mug))... where is the beauty setting on the rear camera ?