Does anyone else get these 18500Khz audio spikes on their v60? - LG V60 ThinQ Questions & Answers

Hi guys,
Using an audio analyzer you can always see but obviously not hear these proportionately spaced audio spikes coming from the V60. It can also be measured using another device by bringing it closer to the V60. I'm attaching a couple of screenshots that show what I mean.
I've read that the second screen is wireless and about wireless payment or charging functions that could be playing a part in this.. I'm really not sure so I decided to ask if anyone else sees the same thing. It's the first time I've encountered this on any device so I'm pretty curious.
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What format is the output ie bt, 24 bit toshlink?
With stereo speakers in a room you could hear that. With closed drivers ie headphones no.

blackhawk said:
What format is the output ie bt, 24 bit toshlink?
With stereo speakers in a room you could hear that. With closed drivers ie headphones no.
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This is the V60 internal mic picking it up. Default Android output/input (48000hz 24bit, I assume). I just open any free RTA analyzer (with good enough resolution) , and it picks it up. It's always on when the screen is on. it can be seen and measured with any device able to pick up above 18Khz (I used another iphone 7 with the built in mic). When the screen goes of it's gone, when only the fingerprint scanner is visible on the V60, theres only one spike visible around 18500hz. When the whole screen is on, I can see a mountain of spikes around 18500hz, evenly spaced. My guesses are it's either connected to the fingerprint scanner, wireless second display, wireless pay or charge functions. My LG V60 is the only device I've witnessed this with and Ive only measured this one device so I'm not sure if there's something wrong with mine or all V60s behave this way. Either way its interesting . The app in the photos is Sound Spectrum Pro, I like it because it has extremely wide resolution and you can zoom in on any frequency range.

Try disabling the fingerprint scanner...

I just disabled the fingerprint scanner and it's still showing. I made a video and I'll try attaching it here.
Youtube LG v60 18500hz evenly spaced sound spikes

Maybe from the power regulation? External interference? There's no negative portion to that wave pattern.

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Maybe from the power regulation? External interference? There's no negative portion to that wave pattern.
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External interference can be pretty much ruled out at this point. I noticed the missing negative half. The evenly spaced spikes do shift in frequency once in a while but not very much, still in the 18600 18700hz range, than slowly shift back to just above 18500hz. They always stay evenly spaced, they maintain the same distance from each other. They are over 20db in amplitude and if I really zoom in, the tips seem so narrow that it doesn't look like just an analog signal.
It would really help to see if anyone else can turn on RTA audio analyzer on their V60 and find out if they see the same thing.

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External interference can be pretty much ruled out at this point. I noticed the missing negative half. The evenly spaced spikes do shift in frequency once in a while but not very much, still in the 18600 18700hz range, than slowly shift back to just above 18500hz. They always stay evenly spaced, they maintain the same distance from each other. They are over 20db in amplitude and if I really zoom in, the tips seem so narrow that it doesn't look like just an analog signal.
It would really help to see if anyone else can turn on RTA audio analyzer on their V60 and find out if they see the same thing.
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I noticed that when
Himediadroid said:
External interference can be pretty much ruled out at this point. I noticed the missing negative half. The evenly spaced spikes do shift in frequency once in a while but not very much, still in the 18600 18700hz range, than slowly shift back to just above 18500hz. They always stay evenly spaced, they maintain the same distance from each other. They are over 20db in amplitude and if I really zoom in, the tips seem so narrow that it doesn't look like just an analog signal.
It would really help to see if anyone else can turn on RTA audio analyzer on their V60 and find out if they see the same thing.
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Hi I just noticed that when I attach the second screen on the v60 theres another spike that appears immediately preceding the others and goes away when the second screen is off. Perhaps this is where at least some of the spikes relate to. Still very curious

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I noticed that when
Hi I just noticed that when I attach the second screen on the v60 theres another spike that appears immediately preceding the others and goes away when the second screen is off. Perhaps this is where at least some of the spikes relate to. Still very curious
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Poor circuit isolation.
Whatever the cause(s) with a stereo signal in open air listening area those spikes will be audible when those sound waves interact with the other audio frequencies to produce secondary waves in the audible range.
With sealed systems like headsets, buds etc few can hear them directly, but some can especially younger females.

Interesting things do happen when I bring it next to a plugged in guitar pickup. Even with airplane mode on, no wifi and screen closed. I guess I was hoping for it to be intentional rather than not.

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[Review] Samsung HM6450 Bluetooth Headset

First of all, this is my 2nd hands-free Bluetooth device (my 1st was a [Nokia BH-900] that barely worked on my PC but worked well on my N95).
Ever since the day I got my HTC Hero, I really missed using a wireless headset to listen to music/internet radio.
Thankfully, one day I saw what I wanted and it was for a great price! ($39.99 USD)
Okay, enough with my rambling, time for the good/bad stuff:
*Since every retailer who sells these always lists specs and box contents, I won't bore you with the same boring thing.
Pros:
+Once paired, it connects easily with my HTC Hero [Elelinux-7.1.0-RC1-Hero-v3.1], Macbook Air, PC [Vista Business/Windows 7 Professional] laptops. Obviously, not all at the same time.
+Has multiple earbud accessories for numerous ear sizes.
+Does not have a goofy blue flashing indicator.
+Once on your ear, it won't come off unless you want it to.
+You can use your own headphones in conjunction with the headset.
+The 3.7V, 100mA gives about ~6 hours of continuous use (videos and music).
Now for the very short list of the negatives...
Cons:
-The entire unit is housed in a cheap plastic shell (my unit fell to pieces when I received it [2 little dabs of glue quickly fixed this])
-Even though this unit is the same standard size as the newest headsets in the market, it feels a bit heavy. I think this is due to the fact that I don't use it everyday and I have weak ears canals.
-The "text-to-voice" software in the Android marketplace is worthless with the HTC Hero.
Although a lot of the functions can't be used on the Hero (text-to-speech messages/email/time, headset locator, etc), you probably could use it on other phones/devices.
If you have a HTC Hero and want/need a wired/wireless headset, buy this unit! It has everything you'll ever need. Period.
Finally, since I only use this as a wireless headset, I never tested the microphone quality. I still haven't developed the backbone to wear this out in the public .
Pics (I can take more upon request):
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http://sellout.woot.com/ has it for $29.99 today. Anyone else have this and want to comment on their experience? Most of the reviews on Amazon are poor.
Hi CGeyser, could you please check with the manual and advise what's the frequency range of the HM6450 (regarding the audio playback)? I try to identify that online but got no clues anywhere.THX
BTW, how's the noise reduction with its dual-mic?
The manual doesn't say anything about any frequency range of the phone and audio playback. It only shows pairing instructions and liability statements.
I use my wired stereo headphones in conjunction with the headset (my ear canals are sensitive to the weight of BT headsets). I can clearly hear the caller and they can hear me as well. It eliminates the majority of background noise while allowing you to hear/to be heard. This configuration isn't very convenient, but it allows you to use the device without looking like a goofy businessman/businesswoman.
I have yet to use the BT headset by itself so I can't attest to the audio/mic quality.
Job21 said:
Hi CGeyser, could you please check with the manual and advise what's the frequency range of the HM6450 (regarding the audio playback)? I try to identify that online but got no clues anywhere.THX
BTW, how's the noise reduction with its dual-mic?
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Thanks CGeyser. Your input is already doing much more help than Samsung's support (like you said, nothing indicative could be found from their manual)
Job21, just curious, why do you want to know the frequency range?
I imagine that its the same if not similar to other BT headsets already out in the market.
Are you worried that it'll interfere with your wireless network(s)? If so, you should be able to easily change your router's settings.
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Job21, just curious, why do you want to know the frequency range?
I imagine that its the same if not similar to other BT headsets already out in the market.
Are you worried that it'll interfere with your wireless network(s)? If so, you should be able to easily change your router's settings.
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sorry for confusing u.
for frequency range i was referring to the headsets output (bass to treble) to earphone.
since i'm planning to get a quality pair,and hope hm6450 would get me a wider range and best utilize the earphone
ps i finally manage to identify user manual of each hm6450 / hm3700 /hs3000 from 3 diff site of samsung worldwide, what a good support
Hmmm...as of now, I don't know of any BT headset that'll allow you to directly change the bass & treble on-the-fly. Maybe with some software on your phone "might" be able to change it (virtually/simulated).
On the headset, you can only change the volume and the device(s) it gets paired to.
As it is now, the sound quality is excellent as any good BT headsets get. Not as good as as my wireless Sennheiser headphones, but still very good.
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Hmmm...as of now, I don't know of any BT headset that'll allow you to directly change the bass & treble on-the-fly. Maybe with some software on your phone "might" be able to change it (virtually/simulated).
On the headset, you can only change the volume and the device(s) it gets paired to.
As it is now, the sound quality is excellent as any good BT headsets get. Not as good as as my wireless Sennheiser headphones, but still very good.
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I was thinking if this HM6450 or someother BT headset would allow most of the original signal to feed to the earphone (just checked, it should be frequency RESPONSE indeed).
But like you said, there should be standard output among different brand and gives no big difference at all.
Sorry I couldn't help you as much as I could. I'm not really an audiophile.

New Problem? / short review.

OK so I will start off with the problem and since I am making this thread I will add some info about my tablet as well including WiFi numbers.
I have had my prime for 2.5 days now and I took it out of the dock today to play some games and I noticed this......
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If you look at the edge of the screen you can clearly see that the aluminum has bent from opening the dock I presume. I am super careful with my electronics so it isn't from abuse I also made sure it was locked when I docked it. It wasn't like that when I got it because I remember the post where that piece was broken on one of the latch points so I checked the bottom out thoroughly.
This concerns me as it seems to be quite a bit of strain there and what if it actually breaks, and what about the strain on the connector inside for longevity's sake!
Now on to the rest of my tablet.
It has the usual GPS issue I haven't tried it outside but even next to a window it sees no satellites. the internal vibrator works when I turn it on (long vibrate) but when touching buttons it does the click (on short vibrates) I can kind of get it to act normal if I repeatedly touch a button. Maybe because the vibrator is sort of moving still???
I haven't tried Bluetooth yet but I probably wont ever use Bluetooth on it I might get around to trying that yet.
Light bleed is almost no existent, there are 2 tiny spots on the right on the screen but nothing to cry over especially living with my amaze (the button on the bottom cause horrific light bleed)
It also seems than on the screens in setting where there is supposed to be black to gray gradients there are groups of lines with pink or green hues it is quite annoying I took a screen shop and it shows up fine on my PC
WiFi seems to work well here are my findings I tested all my devices in my room where my PC is as well as in my living room both roughly 20 feet from router, both through 2 wall and in opposite directions from my router.
Averages over 3 tests each.
Bedroom
PC 25ms 14 Mbps Down 0.45 Mbps up
HTC Amaze 42ms 9.5 Mbps Down 0.6 Mbps up
Laptop 28ms 15 Mbps Down 0.4 Mbps up
Prime 45ms 12Mbps Down 0.6 Mbps up
Living room
Amaze 40ms 12 Mbps Down 0.47 Mbps up
Laptop 30ms 16 Mbps Down 0.42 Mbps up
Prime 38ms 14 Mbps Down 0.64 Mbps up
Are you sure you had the latches set to lock when you had it in the dock? I do see where its bent. Excessive pressure was put the center. does the other 2 hole look bent any also?
A while ago I bought and exchanged a couple Microsoft ZuneHDs because they had this defect on the charging port (it looked identical to your pic).
demandarin said:
Are you sure you had the latches set to lock when you had it in the dock? I do see where its bent. Excessive pressure was put the center. does the other 2 hole look bent any also?
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I'm positive it was latched properly. the other 2 are fine, they are thicker though.
Has anyone who has a dock noticed this happening as well?
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Has anyone who has a dock noticed this happening as well?
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I have had mine in and out of my dock probably 50 times or more and mine looks nothing like the picture.
I have put mine in and out of a dock for the biggest part of the 2 days I have it, and its slightly malformed, not that much as yours.
I dont see it getting worse on mine though.
kodess said:
I have put mine in and out of a dock for the biggest part of the 2 days I have it, and its slightly malformed, not that much as yours.
I dont see it getting worse on mine though.
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even slightly malformed doesnt sound good, it would be worth people keeping an eye on this.
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I have had mine in and out of my dock probably 50 times or more and mine looks nothing like the picture.
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+1 Mine is in and out of the dock all day long. Open and closed many times in a day moving from meeting to meeting and back to my office where I put it on a tablet stand next to my laptop screen out of the dock. While I am careful with my gear, I have always just opened and closed it like I would a laptop or netbook. My shows no deformation whatsoever. I just took it out to check and looks like the day I received it. Sorry to hear this on your prime!

Downloading slow? You're holding it wrong.

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I've noticed that whenever I'm downloading one of the fine ROMs we have for our phone over my data connection, I can get it done more than twice as fast if I set my phone vertically (like in a cup or resting against something) than if I were to either hold it vertically or set it horizontally in a desk.
I'm pretty sure this is just a limitation of how cell phone technology works, but if you're needing to download something quickly you might want to give this a shot.
I'm able to reach roughly 1.2mb/s on the cell tower near my home while doing this. The pic above's just an example, it's difficult to take a screenshot when your phone is resting against a monitor (This speed is twice as fast as my home DSL connection which is capped at 150gb/mo, also through AT&T -_-) If I were to just hold the phone or simply set it on my desk these speeds plummet to around 200-300kb/s, max.
One theory I have though is we have a ton of pine trees in our area, so this may be disrupting the signal and polarizing it vertically, but don't quote me on this as I'm no where near educated enough to make this call.
[size=-5]get it? no? okay I'll leave now.[/size]
Edit: Oh, I've got to note that I'm in the middle of no where when it comes to a cell signal, so getting better download speeds than the only high-speed internet company available at my house is rather awesome. Sprint doesn't get a signal out here, so my brother's using an Airvana system our or DSL making it even slower.
You want fast? Get a Wilson amp for your house.
Yeah, that makes sense - polarization can make quite a big difference. What's best varies from location to location though.
I have been tethering for 5 years (90% which was my main internet) and I found holding it does make a difference.
Don't have a scientific explanation, but I know for a fact it does.
Not sure about the way I point it, never tried that but usually moving it from my stomach to my hand (laying in bed) will double the speeds...sounds crazy I know.
Reminds me of the issues with FM radio Reception.
Every time you touch the antennae, the station came in great.
Let the antennae go and it's back to bad reception.
Kinda defeats the whole adjustment procedure.
Or holding the car Key remote beneath your chin to get more "door lock" distance.
Inquiring minds want to know.
Hah that's crazy you mention the car key thing...someone at work was talking about that today. First time I've heard of it.
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Yup - Your body WILL affect the pattern of any nearby antennas! Sometimes for the better, sometimes worse.
Usually worse at cell phone frequencies, sometimes for the better for FM (lower frequency, wavelength longer than humans are tall.)
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I learned something new today, thanks.
Ah, the joys of inductive coupling. Somewhat related to sympathetic resonance (aka sympathetic vibrations).
I will hold my phone in any which manner I please TYVM
tewan said:
One theory I have though is we have a ton of pine trees in our area, so this may be disrupting the signal and polarizing it vertically, but don't quote me on this as I'm no where near educated enough to make this call.
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Just the idea that you understand RF polarization exists puts you beyond the typical user.
On the other hand, now I'm going nuts with google trying to figure out what polarity GSM signals typically use. My first guess would be vertical, but its only a guess...

Review - YCCTeam Portable Bluetooth Speaker

Hello! Once again, I’m back to review some products for you, so give me a few minutes and hopefully it’ll be worth your while! I’m going to be honest, and I’m not afraid to put the product down if it needs it. With that being said, let’s begin.
Today, we have a couple of products from YCCTeam. First up is a portable Bluetooth Speaker, which you can find here.
So when I first received this speaker, I honestly had a very low opinion of it. It came in a non-descript beige box, with a piece of clear cellophane packing tape on it. No logo, no branding, nothing. I had no idea what to expect, and the first impression wasn’t good. Opening up the box, the speaker was packed securely inside, with a small instruction foldout laying on top of the actual speaker. Removing the speaker, there’s also a micro USB cable and a small 3.5mm to 3.5mm cable, both 18” in length. The cables are exactly what you expect, really. They’re soft, feel a bit flimsy, but they work. I personally have never had a micro USB cable go bad on me, but this one doesn’t inspire much confidence. However, I’m sure we all have a ton of cables laying around, and it’s not a big deal to either replace it immediately or wait to see how long it lasts.
On to the important part, the speaker itself… First off, this thing is pretty solid. The outer shell is black painted aluminum, and it feels nice in the hand. For such a small speaker, it has a bit of heft to it, and it actually surprised me. I completely expected a lightweight, plastic shell, and I’m glad I was wrong.
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I have to be honest here… I didn’t even look at the instructions. It’s a Bluetooth speaker, how hard could it be, right? Well, there’s no buttons anywhere. There’s a 3.5mm jack, there’s a micro USB port. But buttons? Nope. Then, I looked at the top panel, which is glossy, and barely saw the volume and play controls printed on the top. So I did what I thought was logical at the time; I pressed play. The entire top panel clicked in, and then slowly rose up on a controlled spring release. Immediately, a blue LED lit up the entire speaker, and a voice loudly announced “Power On!” in a British voice. The inside was black metal mesh, and the blue LEDS lit up both the inside and the top panel, illuminating the play and volume controls. Nice. Touch. Color me impressed.
So what we have here is a small upwards firing speaker, putting out sound towards a plastic cone inside the top panel. This cone houses the blue LEDs, and also directs the sound outward in all directions. I have to say, it’s quite nice to have an omnidirectional output, and you don’t get the usual fading sound when you walk around and no longer face the speaker.
I paired my phone to the speaker, and started up the music. I put on my usual at first: A mix of punk, rap and alternative, just to see if it could play some easy music. It’s by no means a bass monster, it’s a tiny 3w, 52mm driver! But I have to say, it sounded pretty good, and it got nice and loud in my apartment for a speaker of that size. It was clear, and there was little distortion even at full volume. I have to admit I expected it to start breaking up at full load, but it held on like a champ. I even decided to put on a version of the Imperial March, which is one of the true tests of a good speaker. Obviously it didn’t accurately produce the bass and highs in the original recording, but it fared very well for what it is. In no way would you feel like you’re missing out, but it obviously doesn’t have the impact of a dedicated subwoofer.
You’re not going to use this for parties, it simply won’t get loud enough. But if you’re home and you want to watch Netflix on your laptop? You’ll be in great shape. Doing some work around the house, maybe some light cleaning, and want something playing in the background? Perfect. Want to listen to music in the shower? You got it. Granted, I don’t think this is waterproof in any way, so don’t blame me if something goes wrong!
By the way, the specs list the frequency response as 15Kz to 20KHz which is complete, total, and utter bull****. Now that that’s out of the way, the rest of the specs seem spot on. There’s a 480mAh battery inside, which says you get about 4.5 hours of play time on Bluetooth, and 6 hours using the 3.5mm cable. In my testing, it’s relatively accurate. I’ll be perfectly honest I had no way of sitting there listening to music for 6 hours straight, but over the course of a few days it seems to be in line with my usage.
So there we have it. This is definitely a solid buy for the price offered, but if you’re looking for something for parties you’re definitely going to want something beefier.

Super Slow Motion camera issue

Hi everyone,
I have today bought my S9 + and I am so happy. Just when I tried super slow motion I noticed a big problem.
If I start the camera on any other mod it is normally, the room is well lit with 4-5 super strong LED lights, but as soon as I start super slow motion, the screen gets really dark, so dark, that it is not usable at all
Anyone have the same issue?
I am thinking about bringing it back tomorrow, because they have to give me a new phone if it is within the first 8 days.
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arnes_king said:
Hi everyone,
I have today bought my S9 + and I am so happy. Just when I tried super slow motion I noticed a big problem.
If I start the camera on any other mod it is normally, the room is well lit with 4-5 super strong LED lights, but as soon as I start super slow motion, the screen gets really dark, so dark, that it is not usable at all
Anyone have the same issue?
I am thinking about bringing it back tomorrow, because they have to give me a new phone if it is within the first 8 days.
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With more fps, you need more light.
That Super Slow Motion requires a lot of lighting in order to be useful, but it happens also with normal videos. Try 4K in 30 and fps and you will notice the same behaviour.
@Galaxo60
Thanks, I know that, so I will try anyway tomorrow with daylight. But my room is very very good lit, with 4-5 LED lights. I also came across this guys with the same issue :/
https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/84q2hx/galaxy_s9s9_super_slow_mo_mode_very_dark/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9HyqWbpG9A
If other people could write if their phone is the same or not, just so I know if it really is a defect or not?
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If other people could write if their phone is the same or not, just so I know if it really is a defect or not?
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This is a normal behavior of slow motion in a room with led or any other light except daylight... If you try it outside in the day light you will notice that there isn't any issue.... That has to do with slow motion and led light that is always flickering (you can't see it with your eyes but the camera can)
It's normal. The camera takes 1000 pictures per second. You can emulate it by going into pro mode and set the shutter speed to 1/1000 and you'll see a similar result. If you want a reasonable result inside you will need professional LED panels, standard LEDs won't be bright enough. Here's a test I did and it looks fine:
Thank you all. I tested it now outsides with daylight and it works perfectly fine
I just got my s9+ and it behaves the same except when I am outside in full light, then it is very well lit and works flawlessly. The slow motion camera is designed to be used in high light scenarios so even though your house is highly lit up you will still see a darker screen and even flickering as this isn't adequate lighting for this mode
I'm not sure that's normal, my screen doesn't get so dark when I enter super slow mo, even when I'm not outside
As I'm sure many others have said (feel free to delete this comment if its just repeating already said content), the higher the frame rate, the more light you need to capture it, so in some instances, its almost impossible to use it. I cant use it in my home at night, with just the light on. However, the standard slow motion setting seems to be fine, light wise (which is 240fps, so still pretty decent).
Its a novel feature for sure, and if you time it right, very very cool (although the other day I sent a video of my child splashing some water in her swimming pool and my sister said "why do u do that stupid slow motion thing" so I guess not everyone appreciates the coolness of it ) but I've found that timing it right is a whole other task in itself.
I also faced the same issue. It happened inside the room. So insufficient light may be the issue. Not only the phone got stuck up but it also became very hot. Eventually I switched it off and switched on after some time.
I have these issue too ! And sometimes the slowmotion is reversed (end to start).
clear data and than apply
you can clear the data
As someone stated earlier, it's a problem with how LED lights use PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) to simulate dimming of an incandescent bulb. Our eyes don't perceive this because of POV (Persistence of Vision). The same thing happens with incandescent bulbs due to the frequency (60 hertz in the US) or the AC power. Here are a few links explaining this in detail and why it's important for photographers and high speed videographers alike: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explor...er-free-lights-and-why-they-are-important-you
http://www.lovehighspeed.com/lighting-for-high-speed/

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