I guess I was in the same boat as I would never have considered a Sony smartphone in a million years. The only reason I stumbled across the 5 ii is because I was tired of having gigantic smartphones which were cumbersome to carry around. So I started looking at smaller phones and bought a Pixel 5. Overall not a bad phone, but I could never get used to the rear fingerprint scanner, and the earpiece audio quality is terrible. I hated making phone calls as I always struggled to hear what people were saying. I guess the glass screen protector didn't help.
The only other phone I could find with a small form factor with decent audio and specs was the 5 ii. Having never owned a Sony phone before I took the plunge and bought one and I can honestly say I don't regret it one bit. I actually love everything about this phone. Odd aspect ratio which actually works really well, great audio quality, headphone jack, great display, great battery life. There's nothing I don't like about it. Apart from the tap to wake that doesn't work properly!! If I had to be nit picking I would say Sony could probably put a bit more work into the standard camera app as not everyone wants to change a million settings in the pro camera app before they take a photo. Having worked my way through the pro camera app though I have managed to take some pretty decent low light photos which is impossible with the standard camera app.
So I guess we are a select few that really know how good this phone is. I am happy for now and will use this for a good while before I start itching to buy another phone.
Problem with the Sony mobile division is that they have had a pretty bad reputation in the last 5 years or so. The build quality of their phones was avarage, they didn't want to innovate and they had zero advertisement. This has changed with their latest 2 lineups, but it will be very difficult for them to get their marketshare back.
This is my first Sony and while I like their Photo Pro app very much I probably won't get another Sony unless they up the hardware, especially the screen in bright light.
not a Sony owner but I've seen both Marques Brownlee and Mr.Whostheboss say Sony don't send reviewers handsets out in any kind of time for launch day videos.
Sony waits 6 months to LOAN phones out, long enough for the moment the be passed and the reviewer to not see the point in making the video.
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I guess I was in the same boat as I would never have considered a Sony smartphone in a million years. The only reason I stumbled across the 5 ii is because I was tired of having gigantic smartphones which were cumbersome to carry around. So I started looking at smaller phones and bought a Pixel 5. Overall not a bad phone, but I could never get used to the rear fingerprint scanner, and the earpiece audio quality is terrible. I hated making phone calls as I always struggled to hear what people were saying. I guess the glass screen protector didn't help.
The only other phone I could find with a small form factor with decent audio and specs was the 5 ii. Having never owned a Sony phone before I took the plunge and bought one and I can honestly say I don't regret it one bit. I actually love everything about this phone. Odd aspect ratio which actually works really well, great audio quality, headphone jack, great display, great battery life. There's nothing I don't like about it. Apart from the tap to wake that doesn't work properly!! If I had to be nit picking I would say Sony could probably put a bit more work into the standard camera app as not everyone wants to change a million settings in the pro camera app before they take a photo. Having worked my way through the pro camera app though I have managed to take some pretty decent low light photos which is impossible with the standard camera app.
So I guess we are a select few that really know how good this phone is. I am happy for now and will use this for a good while before I start itching to buy another phone.
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The only thing that I regret about my 5 II it's the camera quality...Coming from a P30 Pro I'm a little bit disappointed, even with the Camera Pro app...Gcam it's not stable, so there is no way to improve this phone...Unfortunately, I need to sell it cause I need the camera quality on my phone, and Sony disappointed me... The audio quality it's awesome, screen it's not so bright but it's looking nice, also, I love this form factor, I wish that other smartphone would have it....
I like the Photo Pro software but no one I know does. They prefer point-and-shoot with heavy AI and computational photography.
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Problem with the Sony mobile division is that they have had a pretty bad reputation in the last 5 years or so. The build quality of their phones was avarage, they didn't want to innovate and they had zero advertisement. This has changed with their latest 2 lineups, but it will be very difficult for them to get their marketshare back.
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To know Sony is to hate them.
Their products I tore down were complete junk.
I dealt extensively with them 16 years ago.
They are rotten to the core.
Mind you I'm one of the few customers that has talked to a Sony VP* and gotten a full refund check from them
Look up the inventor of the Walkman and see how they screw him.
*he was a well educated, arrogant malaka who was zero help.
I don't know Sony or General Motors or any corporation. I keep watching to see one but so far, no. Now, I understand you hate the company but you had nothing to say about the Sony Xperia 5 II. Perhaps you can find a "Hate Sony" forum. I'm surprised to hear you got to know the Sony VP so well that you're familiar with his sexual habits. I'm not knocking it. To each his own.
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I don't know Sony or General Motors or any corporation. I keep watching to see one but so far, no. Now, I understand you hate the company but you had nothing to say about the Sony Xperia 5 II. Perhaps you can find a "Hate Sony" forum. I'm surprised to hear you got to know the Sony VP so well that you're familiar with his sexual habits. I'm not knocking it. To each his own.
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You don't understand Greek culture well at all do you? Tough
The VP's exact words were:"I could help you, but I choose not to." Then he took the time to explain the 3 ways he could have help me in detail.
In the a midlevel manager did what the VP would not do.
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I like the Photo Pro software but no one I know does. They prefer point-and-shoot with heavy AI and computational photography.
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Well, I'm personally a photographer and I prefer point& shoot rather than tweaking all the settings. The camera pro app it's good, but the lenses are very bad, I couldn't make a macro shot with 5 II, so I've switched to s20+ and I'm happy now
Sony like to live in the past it seems. I've owned Samsung, OnePlus, Motorola and I must say Sony handsets are solidly engineered. Though they like their old school stuff... 3.5mm jack, no wireless charging... in a SD865! It almost feels like an old retired engineer designed their phones. Good, well built, but not exactly "bells and whistles". If you want a non-fancy phone with the latest SoC, though with a high price, get a Sony. I don't regret my purchase at all.
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You don't understand Greek culture well at all do you? Tough
The VP's exact words were:"I could help you, but I choose not to." Then he took the time to explain the 3 ways he could have help me in detail.
In the a midlevel manager did what the VP would not do.
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I'm glad you still have nothing to say about the Sony Xperia 5 II.
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I'm glad you still have nothing to say about the Sony Xperia 5 II.
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Never had one. They look like nice phones.
Sony though is rotten to the core.
They are known to cut corners in unscrupulous ways... I've seen it firsthand.
Their stereos, cams, and multidisc players were trash 15 years ago. Had them all apart and the factory service manuals. So don't dismiss what I say too lightly.
I haven't bought any Sony products since.
Consider yourself warned
Canon, Denon make Grade A equipment on the other hand. Owned and repaired them as well.
The Sony Trinitron is a thing of beauty, you must admit. The best tube ever built in my opinion. The only time I've ever been really angered with Sony was when they removed the otherOS feature from the PS3. That was a deek move. Don't forget also that Sony manufacture the Raspberry Pi. Which I'm eternally grateful to them for, for bringing a huge industry to our beloved UK from China.
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The Sony Trinitron is a thing of beauty, you must admit. The best tube ever built in my opinion. The only time I've ever been really angered with Sony was when they removed the otherOS feature from the PS3. That was a deek move. Don't forget also that Sony manufacture the Raspberry Pi. Which I'm eternally grateful to them for, for bringing a huge industry to our beloved UK from China.
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Indeed. I still have Sony Trinitron monitor.
80# of precision phosphors, 2nd to none.
For gaming and movies you can't beat the smoothness of CRT afterglow
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Ok, so we've had our first impressions and now we've had our devices for weeks, maybe months, let's give our opinions about the device.
Display
I must admit, I was shocked by the display, I've had many phones and nothing could beat the iPhone 4's retina display, I must admit that I didn't think this tin could come to par with either that or the Super AMOLED display, but damn, it's yummy good.
Handset (Body & Screen)
The body, the material of the phone is sexy, that's the best way to describe it, in my hand though, I must admit, that damn edge hurts your palm after time, so you have to keep the edge out of it after a few mins, damn things a bugger, wish a nice third party case would come and comfort this. As for the screen, as soon as I bought it, I was looking for a screen protector, bought one that doesn't cover it up, so much for the hellish plastic, as by then I managed to get two very tiny scratches on the screen which you can just about see in light, OCD Rage!! so much for Gorilla Glass, I guess it's no good on the fine scratches. Thanks to an XDA member now I've ordered a full screen protector.
Operating System
Ok, since I've used all three leading OS right now, I can be unbiased and fan-boy-less. Android, oh god, I was the dude who couldn't stop rooting, theming, tweaking, I must admit, Android is good, but not great, why? Ok, as much as some may hate the fact of being boxed in by Zune and iTunes, it keeps your music library organised, I prefer iTunes over Zune, as Zune is limited and slow when it comes to syncing a movie. The widgets on Android just makes your screen look like your fridge with a load of untidy sticky notes, iOS lacks it, whereas the Windows is limited which I like, though I do wish the live tiles could be as big as the pictures tile as an option. When it comes to syncing contacts, I disliked the iOS, was way too limited, it's like the contacts were completely seperate, making the phone feel like, it was on the side, it felt like the iOS was an iPod touch with the phone on side, Android was ok thanks to HTC, but without that, it was pretty close to the iOS, lacking. The Windows though, damn, I love this piece of ish, this is the best part of it, it being a great "PHONE" doing it's job their perfectly. Out of all three OS's I have to admit, Windows has been the best so far, as it is a phone, don't get me wrong, the tweaks, customising, rooting yada I love, but it all comes down to it being a phone. iOS comes second and Android third. Why Android? I think we all know now, google was an innovator, but is now an imitator, copy and pasting, nothing eye-catching that I've seen anymore.
Music Player
Oh dear, where do I start? This thing is bloody awful, my mini-disc player sounded way better than this, maybe even my old tape player too, it's dreadful, the guy who was in charge of this must have shot himself or Nokia must have murdered him from the complaints on here and the Nokia forum, but yes, apparently the next update will fix this, I don't know how, as I believed it was hardware related and not software, we shall wait and see. I had to buy a Fiio amplifier because of it, it's doing it's job well, but I wish that I didn't need it, as it adds extra wires and of course an extra gadget I could do without. Damn! It'd be payday for the man who robs me. Loudspeaker, oh god, reminds me off the first phones that had real ringtones, that awful hiss. It makes a great alarm though by being annoying. The iPhone 4 was absolutely brilliant in this department, no problem whatsoever, Android was too, apart from it being an untidy music player.
Battery
Another downer, this phones battery is ridiculous, I'm sorry, as many have stated that their battery life is now better, you're just sacrificing the tools and background apps, dimming your screen i.e. finding ways to save battery, I had an iPhone 4, damn things wi-fi, 3g, GPS was always switched on, Androids, the mother of battery drainers, installing custom ROM's that had battery draining bugs and that don't come close to this. Nokia was always great when it came to battery life, but this is outrageous, one big reason why I'm having second thoughts on this phone.
Verdict
Big red for the verdict, as some may have got tired reading, but what can I say about this phone, it's amazing, not the best, the best when it comes to OS, I'm having second thoughts about this phone, Nokia is plain ignoring everyone, look at their forum, that will give you an example, they were good when it came to customer service, not anymore, I wanted the Lumia 900 later this year to join this phone, but now I'm thinking, if the iPhone 5 is out by then, I may go for that instead, with this phone being kept on the side. The phone has faults, yes, the iPhone had the horrible antenna gate, but, I'm p***** off with Nokia's response to the battery, at one time, they needed the diagnostics app to determine your battery status, now they're telling everyone to not pay attention to it and delete it. The best part of the phone comes down to the fruit Mango, that's the heart of this phone. So I'll give this phone a 7.5/10
Thanks for reading, hope I didn't b**** too much, and please people, if you disagree, keep it clean and friendly, it was my "opinion", you have yours too.
Thanks for the review, I'll give it a go anyway, I got it coming Tuesday, I've currently got a 4S which I love, but something attracts me to this phone, the battery can't be as bad as the 4s, I have to charge it twice a day, it's a joke.
junglebungle said:
Thanks for the review, I'll give it a go anyway, I got it coming Tuesday, I've currently got a 4S which I love, but something attracts me to this phone, the battery can't be as bad as the 4s, I have to charge it twice a day, it's a joke.
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No problem, I highly doubt the new models would be affected by this, I'm sure Nokia sotred them out before shipment. Yes, the phone is defiinitely eye catching. That's why I bought it.
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Thanks for the review, I'll give it a go anyway, I got it coming Tuesday, I've currently got a 4S which I love, but something attracts me to this phone, the battery can't be as bad as the 4s, I have to charge it twice a day, it's a joke.
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Kind of off topic but have you disabled some of the location services on the 4S? It constantly searchs for location for the weather update, you can disable this specifically (without disabling location for maps) and double the battery life. My better half's 3GS had a big drop in battery life too due to this.
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Kind of off topic but have you disabled some of the location services on the 4S? It constantly searchs for location for the weather update, you can disable this specifically (without disabling location for maps) and double the battery life. My better half's 3GS had a big drop in battery life too due to this.
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Yes I've tried alsorts, all what you say, but's it really is terrible for battery I'll get the Lumia tomorrow and decide weather to keep the 4S or sell it, I'll probably end up selling it.
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Yes I've tried alsorts, all what you say, but's it really is terrible for battery I'll get the Lumia tomorrow and decide weather to keep the 4S or sell it, I'll probably end up selling it.
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I hope you don't get a lumia with terrible battery . The chinese are probably mad that Apple are selling all the iPhones overseas and are sabotaging the batteries!
I'm stuck between getting a Lumia or a 4S at the moment. Had a bit of crap customer service from apple which has turned me off (i even cancelled my pre-order), but all the problems with the Lumia are turning me off. If they fix the audio (and put 32GB) then i might get one... or hold off for the 900.
I can't wait to hear how you get on with the Lumia though, mainly because WP7 is really fantastic.
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I hope you don't get a lumia with terrible battery . The chinese are probably mad that Apple are selling all the iPhones overseas and are sabotaging the batteries!
I'm stuck between getting a Lumia or a 4S at the moment. Had a bit of crap customer service from apple which has turned me off (i even cancelled my pre-order), but all the problems with the Lumia are turning me off. If they fix the audio (and put 32GB) then i might get one... or hold off for the 900.
I can't wait to hear how you get on with the Lumia though, mainly because WP7 is really fantastic.
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lol yeah more than likely
I've brought it off someone which is second hand and he's had it since Novemeber, so probably one of the earlier models, we're see with battery I suppose... £200 for it though and mint condition so can't complain, and I really like the look of those live tiles lol
The 4s is an amazing phone don't get me wrong, it really has some amazing features, the camera is second to none, the apps functionality and how iOS has come around to be great really makes it a great phone, I will miss some of the apps if I sell it, Instagram (amazing photo app like twitter follow people etc but you post pictures) iPlayer, Sky Go, TVCatchup, amongst many other great apps.
But in the end I don't think it'll bother me, I like minimal, email, messaging and calls, the WP7 interface looks smart for doing those things and it's not like Apple are ever going to stop producing iPhones, the 5 will be around the corner lol
Regards
Cheers all.
My tablet compact is very dear to me, but it's getting to the point where I have to consider my next move. Phablets won't cut it for me anymore, I can't go back to 6" phones. But apart from Samsung and Huawei, I don't see many quality devices in our range. Sony hit my sweet spot with the screen size, build quality, battery and waterproofing. Hard to move on.
What's your next device? Have you considered any?
I quite fancy the z4, yes it's bigger, but it's seriously good
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Interesting thread as I just got the z3 tablet today. After last few months moving from one tablet to another I think I've found the right one.
The nexus 9. My second current and soon to be former is terrible! Can't believe I'm saying this about a nexus but it really is bad. Performance is terrible. Ram management so bad and makes true multitasking non existent really.
Prior to this I had a Samsung tab pro 10.1. It was almost as bad as the nexus. Can't decide really. Think it was worst. Lag after lag after lag.
Anyway, so I was looking for something that I could settle on performance wise as well as build quality... and a great display. So far so good. After just one day I can see huge differences. 3 gigs of ram for true multitasking. No lags. I think I will hold onto this one for quite some time.
And the design and build quality is superb.
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Interesting thread as I just got the z3 tablet today. After last few months moving from one tablet to another I think I've found the right one.
The nexus 9. My second current and soon to be former is terrible! Can't believe I'm saying this about a nexus but it really is bad. Performance is terrible. Ram management so bad and makes true multitasking non existent really.
Prior to this I had a Samsung tab pro 10.1. It was almost as bad as the nexus. Can't decide really. Think it was worst. Lag after lag after lag.
Anyway, so I was looking for something that I could settle on performance wise as well as build quality... and a great display. So far so good. After just one day I can see huge differences. 3 gigs of ram for true multitasking. No lags. I think I will hold onto this one for quite some time.
And the design and build quality is superb.
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I think you'll be happy with your purchase. The XZ3TC is the finest tablet I've owned and I'm surprised it wasn't better received. I suppose Sony need to reprimand the marketing department. The worst thing about the XZ3TC is the camera, and that's saying a lot IMO.
Interesting to hear that about the nexus, as I understand it is widely praised. Will stay away then.
If I can't find a suitable replacement for my XZ3TC, I'll simply by another and use that while waiting for the next one
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I think you'll be happy with your purchase. The XZ3TC is the finest tablet I've owned and I'm surprised it wasn't better received. I suppose Sony need to reprimand the marketing department. The worst thing about the XZ3TC is the camera, and that's saying a lot IMO.
Interesting to hear that about the nexus, as I understand it is widely praised. Will stay away then.
If I can't find a suitable replacement for my XZ3TC, I'll simply by another and use that while waiting for the next one
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Well after three days it's all good i can say. Leagues ahead of my previous devices in terms of performance, build and battery life. Over 7 hours screen on time and counting with half brightness. Wow!
The camera seems OK. I don't really use cameras on tablets so it's never an issue.
I'm also surprised by the Nexus 9. I had such high hopes as I've had many Nexus devices previously. The Nexus 7 (2013) was the best tablet I had to date, so I was expecting a lot. I would say the most disappointing purchase I've ever made with the Nexus 9. That's how bad it turned out to be.
Screen and front speakers are both great. build is OK. But performance (where Nexus devices traditionally shine) is terrible. Battery life is also not very good.
I think it's fundamental to a few things.
A. 64 bit android needs more memory.
B. A quad HD display needs more capable hardware (again it comes down to ram)
C. 2 gigs of ram is not enough./
It is literally not possible to have any decent amount of apps in memory on the Nexus 9. Almost every app needs to be reloaded once you navigate away from it. Multitasking is terrible.
There are also lots of slowdowns, freezes and lags throughout the user experience. I've done factory resets, rooted and gone back to stock, you name it. Terrible.
Add to that, I stopped rooting nexus devices years ago. Precisely because they are so good out the box nowadays. Nexus 9 excluding that is.
But anyway. I am very happy with the xperia z3 tablet.
simple DONT change it.Wait till something better with new technology will come out!Don't waste your money dude to take something similar...This tablet is the most perfect piece of art till now! ?
I wouldn't replace my xz3tc for long.
There is no real alternative and the performance is more than enough.
zuz mobile / edge
I just shattered my screen at Ikea, bummed out. But ordered a screen via eBay from the UK. Taking it to a fixer shop this week. Hopefully the glass isn't crap, will post here when the glass is replaced. LCD is luckily just fine!
Been looking for a replacement for this device, but even with a shattered glass screen there is none. Sony did a damn fine job here.
Yes, I love my tablet - it is the right combination of everything and since the market is racing to the bottom to get sales I'm glad to see it is still well regarded two years down the line.
PURPOSE
So 1st and foremost, the plan here is to give you my experience with these 2 phones. Granted, I have only used the Axon 7 for about 3 days now and can say I have yet to fully break it in to find everything that may or may not be right / wrong with it. However, this will be a unbiased look and comparison. I'm neither a fanboy or sheep. No brand affiliation. Not a programmer either, just a pro-sumer Senior Member of XDA willing to get trolled, flamed, etc. for sharing a look at these 2 phones. Hopefully, I can give "the everyday guy / gal look" without getting bogged down in stats, variables or benchmarks. Here goes...
MY BACKGROUND
No one special. Just a guy that likes the latest tech... phones being at the top of the list. I am a nerd. No doubt about that. I think anyone that knows about XDA probably is to some extent. No brand loyalty. Recently, I have had the privilege to try out the following phones:
1. Axon 7
2. OnePlus 3
3. HTC 10
4. LeEcco Le Max 2
5. Huawei P9
6. LG G5
7. Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
8. Huawei Mate 8
9. Huawei Nexus 6P
10. LG Nexus 5X
11. Samsung Note 5
12. Apple iPhone 6s+
And probably some more, but these are the most recent. Does that make me qualified to make a review... Maybe. It does make me an idiot that likes new phones, though. I am always looking for something that meets my needs but also is a good phone. Currently with TMobile but have been with ATT, Verizon & Sprint at some point over 20 years of using cell phones.
MY NEEDS
I drive about 40 miles everyday to work (yes, my work week is currently 7 days a week with a few occasional days off). So, with this in mind and where I drive, I need the minimum requirements:
1. Can Stream Music
2. Bluetooth is fully compatible with my 2016 vehicle
3. An equalizer of some sort since I have only switch out my new cars speakers for better ones and don't plan on changing or adding a better sound system.
4. Decent pictures when needed
5. As a nerd, I like to "mesmerize" people with a pay with your phone app like Apple Pay or Android Pay
6. Works with my Huawei Watch
7. Relatively not laggy - will sometimes do some ROM-ing or some customization but since I tend to get rid of the phones quickly I try not to void warranties or make it too non-stock
THE COMPARISON
I am looking at my experience with the OnePlus 3 and the Axon 7 under/around these requirements and some normal stuff like battery, screen, snappiness, heat, speakers, etc. Here goes:
SOUND OVERALL
There is not too many times when I do a review comparison where 1 phone just crushes the other... and I don't mean like crushing an empty aluminum beer can in your hand crushing... I mean like BigFoot crushing late model junk cars at the end of a Monster Truck Rally Crushin'.... 'Mericaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! Sorry got carried away there a second. Honestly, how phone manufacturers cannot include a system-wide sound equalizer with all the other STUPID GUI tweaks and bastardizations they do to Android especially is beyond me in 2016. Most people are transitioning to bluetooth headphones or have bluetooth in their cars and for the most part use streaming services to/for music. Yes, there is the occasional dude with the $1000 plug-in headphones that also plugs into a in-line $2000 DAC that only listens to download Loseless Quality Music with the Music App that came with the phone.... with a show of hands, how many fall into this category??? Then why pray tell is this the only music equalization most manufacturers are catering too on their phones (Apple included)? I don't know just wanted to rant a little. With that said though, the inclusion of Dolby ATMOS without having to root on the Axon 7 plus its dual stereo forward facing speakers makes this a non-competition. Yes, you could add ViperATMOSBeatsDon'tcare Mod.zip to a rooted TWRP OnePlus 3... but why should I have to? Why can't some system-wide equalizer be included Mr. FlagShip Killer? Look at their own Community Forum and its one of the most active requests since the OnePlus 3 came out (along with actually using all the RAM the phone has)... Good Work ZTE!!! I'm sure for all you headphone people too that the AXON 7 would dominate even though I have zero to judge that on since I have never taken either the OnePlus 3's headphones nor the AXON 7's headphones out of the box.
WINNER: AXON 7 BigFoot- Crushing OnePlus 3 Grave Digger.
BATTERY
People get bent out of shape nowadays about the "wall hugger" syndrome... this is the need to re-charge your phone more than once, twice, 3-times etc. per day and being attached to a charger constantly. Well, we only have ourselves and technology to blame. Battery technology has yet to progress to a point that adequately matches all the other advances cell phones have made... I can remember in the 90's getting my first Li-ion Battery Cell Phone and was like "WOW!!! I can charge this anytime I want, days of battery life, no need to discharge the whole phone before recharging and no need for extra batteries..." Fast forward almost 30 years... AND its the same type of battery... So no phone truly wins here until technology gets better. This too along with our need for skinny things... women, cocktails, bank account, soda, etc. have phones getting increasingly skinnier without ever considering what it has do with the battery is disturbing. If only we could get back to the simpler times of a bagphone, then the battery could be as big as you want it... AHHH, the simpler times. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Really though, the batteries on both phones perform very similar in my use. The place where they differ the most is the charging. For OnePlus 3, you have to use their proprietary DASH Charge as oppose to QuickCharge 3.0. This means you can only buy OnePlus 3 chargers (or some not trustworthy knock offs) to take advantage of feature... it's not so bad now that they made the car charger available again on their website and the phone comes with a wall plug with the feature... it's just a departure from the standard many others are using and requires new accessory purchases... basically a OnePlus Money Grab.... DASH Charge is slightly faster but not enough for anyone but a battery loving neophyte to really take notice.
WINNER: AXON 7 - Sorry QuickCharge 3.0 Industry Standard beats proprietary DASH Charge even though DASH Charge is slightly faster.
HEAT
Not going to spend much time here. Both phones run Snapdragon 820's. Both phones are metal... guess what... they get hot under stress... so no winners here, only losers. Neither had to be powered off for getting too hot though, like my S7 needed to when I was doing its initial setup... so there's that. :good:
WINNER: Both or None... They get hot under processor stress and in the dreaded "At an event and have your camera constantly on then stick it in your pocket only to have 3rd degree burns on your thighs or butt" Test
SNAPPINESS
Neither phone I have taken the time to Mod or root or stare at compassionately... but both perform really well like they should. Now, let the 6GB vs. 4GB debates begin!!! First, it is well known that even after 2 updates, the OnePlus 3's RAM management is still wonky and does not fully utilize all that RAM. No matter. I can't see an advantage yet. Yes you could AnTuTu-whogivesapoop test them all day. I rather just talked about how using the phone feels. Neither have extensive bastardizations over stock android so neither grinds the phone to a halt like TouchWizCement does. I run the BETA of Sense 8 Launcher for All Android Phones on both. Both phones perform well with it. I have played Pokemon GO! on both along with Clash Royale... both run fine. GPS works good on both and locks in fairly quickly. It isn't the best I have seen but not the LG Worst either Until there's another processor to look at, I think most manufacturers are taking full advantage of the limits of the 820. Throwing RAM at it doesn't dramatically do anything either. I guess it good to always have it in your back pocket if needed.
WINNER: ONEPLUS 3 - Simply because it has more RAM, no real-world experience proves it faster. Fanboy Benchmarkers withstanding
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YES... One can easily claim that RAM on the face of it has nothing to do with Snappiness since no present day Android phone fully utilizes 4GB let alone 6GB of RAM... The point to be made here is that the OP3 although having more RAM has no advantage in snappiness over an AXON 7. With that said, since both phones cost the same, neither phone is snappier, why not pick the one with more RAM based on stats alone... for this particularly on the face of it unrelated category? Furthermore, there has been many tests of the OP3 that show that RAM in a way DOES influence its snappiness when compared to 4GB phones... not because of the amount of RAM but by OP3's RAM MANAGEMENT. Lastly, although it may seem like a marketing ploy now for OP3 to have 6GB of RAM since it is not needed since it is not utilized.... I have kind of heard this argument before... when phones had 1GB of RAM and 2GB phones were introduced, then when 3GB phones were introduced, etc. etc. and from basically every iSheep out there, that more RAM does not necessarily make a phone better or faster. Albeit true for the most part for Apple because they spend a vast amount of time developing their RAM Management and have iOS lock down, for Android and what seems to be a lack of development on this front, RAM amounts increase to handle the sloppiness of the RAM Management and/or lack of focus on developing this overlooked section of the phone's programming. Basically, OP3 moves the needle for better or worst towards 6GB at the same price as 4GB... more is more in this one scenario only...
DISPLAY
Not much to mention here either. Both have good displays. On paper, the AXON 7's is better. I would say that the average person not knowing that one has higher resolution than the other would have a hard time calling it out. Color reproduction is about the same on both as well. Neither have a "always-on" feature which would have been nice. Both have LED's for notifications. Here's where once again you just have to stick with the stats and say....
WINNER: AXON 7 - higher stats mean better screen right!!!!???
PHONE DESIGN
Wow! a bit to talk about here. Let's start on both phones exterior features and design. Both are designed well. Definitely not ugly by any stretch of the imagination. The AXON 7 was designed with help from BMW and significantly improves on the previous generation iteration, like having actual speakers in both of the speaker grill looking forward facing top and bottom of screen. I do have the gold AXON 7... the color isn't the greatest but I wasn't going to wait for the gray one to come out to test it... I might return the gold for a gray if they become available in my return window. The OnePlus 3 is a pretty phone too. It doesn't have a firm like BMW attached to it, but one feels they did a good job of improving on the OnePlus 2 design without getting away from their bread and butter core design elements. With that, I love the alert slider... call me an isheep but I feel to this day that it is the single greatest design advantage the iPhone has had over any Android phone for years now. Although not as perfectly functional as Apples is, the OnePlus 3 is a great feature. Both have excellent fingerprint readers. Very fast. For my use case, a front facing fingerprint reader is better. That's my use case, in a cradle, in my car, that I get in and out of while sometime leaving my phone in the cradle, makes the front facing reader slightly more convenient. NFC chip and camera placement good on both as well. AXON 7 does have one design characteristic that I found annoying and I noticed while playing Clash Royale.... the power button is on the right side of the phone near the center. While playing and trying to drag drop to the top of the screen, you can easily inadvertently toggle the on/off button, this might be the button is overly sensitive or just my clumsiness. OnePlus 3 scores some extras too with swapstyle cases... Why can't other phone manufacturers take notes here. I think it is great that I can get relatively cheap exclusively designed nice looking cases for my OnePlus 3... for the AXON 7, I'm stuck with Chinese knock off cheesy poop designed cases with TPU raining from skies... I need a case and sure the first thing that comes to mind when I get a nice looking professionally designed by BMW phone is to put it into a TPU trashcan of a case because 0.0 (zero point zero) cases by ZTE are available or even look worthy of residing on the phone.... yep, I so love it. AXON 7 does step it up with one thing, SD card compatibility. More storage... sure I can use that anytime...
WINNER: TIED - OnePlus 3 would have won here, but not having SD Card capability is just dumb... especially since you used the space for a dual SIM.
*********************ADDITIONAL DESIGN DISCUSSION************CAPACITIVE BUTTONS ON THE AXON 7**********************
Purposely I left this discussion out about the capacitive buttons on the AXON 7. WHY? You may ask. At first, like many, when I heard that not only does the AXON 7 only have capacitive buttons without the option to toggle to turn them off for on-screen buttons, the buttons themselves do not light up, did make me a little worried. But to not buy a phone based on a untested worry is just fear mongering at it best, plus I bought my AXON 7 from Amazon so that I could easily return it if I hated it. Well, surprisingly the capacitive button "issue" is really just a bunch of hype... yes, I do think that OP3 has the advantage here with the toggle for on-screen and that its buttons light up. However, the AXON 7 does provide a on-screen button solution although it is way more sloppy looks wise then OP3's. The whole light up button thing to me can be excused by what was an intentional design choice by ZTE. So, unlike the OP3 which has its all app and back buttons spread out along the bottom of the display, the AXON 7 distinctively has its all-app and back buttons crowded towards the center closer to the central home button. Why do this? Well, from my use in dark rooms and at night, it makes not seeing the actual buttons not an issue. Let me explain further. I know from muscle memory that the home button is in center of the bottom of screen... pretty easy to hit in a completely dark room unless I'm drunk that is... being able to do this on muscle memory then in turn with a slight adjustment to the right, makes it easy to hit the back button (setup for right hand in the AXON 7's setting) and same to the left with the all apps button. If the buttons were spaced out like OP3's without lights then it would be an issue... but in this case and what I hope is design answering function, the AXON 7 doesn't have an issue... once again to me, maybe not you.... hahahahaha
CAMERA
I have done a couple of these reviews and every time I point out that I am not a big fan of cameras on phones. I went to school for photography and movie making back when film was still used. Have seen lenses that cost more than my current house and have seen Ansel Adams original prints first hand. So, it makes me a camera snob... thus, my opinion of on phone cameras is that they are all Bantha PooDoo. However, improvements are made with every new phone and even though innovations have seem to slow in favor of the pixel wars... one day they might be great.
Looking at both and later I will put up some similar shots from both, each phone have decent cameras. The OnePlus performs better in low light especially however I would not count the AXON 7 out in the cold as I feel that the AXON 7's low light difficulties might be able to be corrected with feature updates. The AXON 7 does have it's ripoff version of a "live photo" that works pretty decent plus some decent scenario modes that just work better for pictures I may take. The OnePlus 3's camera software is just basic with good custom manual settings. The AXON 7 has manual mode as well. Like I said, I will upload some similar shots from each and you can decide.
WINNER: TBD
CONCLUSION
So, what can I conclude? Both phones are awesome... Both have plus and minuses. I don't think there's a clear hands down winner and would not want to argue that point. I can only tell you that beyond everything else that the lack of a system-wide equalizer for sound just annoys little brown stinkies out of me. My commute to work is a big part of my day sometimes 7 days a week. I want to listen to Sirius XM app and Google Play Music so it sound great in my car. I want to set some equalization that make it sound awesome then forget it is even there. Not constant resetting of bass boost, tweaking sound to have it all reset again and again. Why provide a basic equalizer in Google Play Music on the OnePlus 3 that always has the bass setting reset when a call comes in, you switch to a new app or the crappy RAM Management software kicks it out of memory even though you locked it into memory on the all apps screen? That just pains me... If OnePlus does listen to their customer base, maybe just maybe they will add one in a future OTA update. Who knows. Having had the original AXON, I have to say that this phone is definitely an improvement and is worth checking out if you liked the original. I am still a little off-put by the fact that ZTE has done very little to support this phone with accessories like cases and stuff making me hit Aliexpress for the Oscar the Grouch specials that they have there. Could you survive with either one of these phones as your next new phone... of course! Hopefully, this little review will help you out in that decision. Lastly and as always, this is just Some Guys Opinion...
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Newsflash - Having 6gb of RAM doesn't make a phone more snappy than a 4gb phone... people need to stop thinking this...4gb is more than enough RAM for even the most hardcore user...6gb is just a gimmick for sales.
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Newsflash - Having 6gb of RAM doesn't make a phone more snappy than a 4gb phone... people need to stop thinking this...4gb is more than enough RAM for even the most hardcore user...6gb is just a gimmick for sales.
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Newsflash- didn't say it did but with proper RAM management it COULD in theory be more snappy if it kept more apps in memory not requiring them to be reloaded. Also if the phones are the same price why not have more. Was pretty much my point. It makes no difference but higher quantity wins out. Your argument is the same for better displays 1080p is good enough why would you need more? Because they can and do... Snore
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Newsflash- didn't say it did but with proper RAM management it COULD in theory be more snappy if it kept more apps in memory not requiring them to be reloaded. Also if the phones are the same price why not have more. Was pretty much my point. It makes no difference but higher quantity wins out. Your argument is the same for better displays 1080p is good enough why would you need more? Because they can and do... Snore
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lol...why don't you read what you wrote...Snappiness -OP3 simply because it has more RAM.
All I'm saying is you're wrong...the OP3 could very well be "snappier" but it sure as hell isn't because it has 6gb of memory... memory management issues or not...the only time RAM would take away from a modern day smartphone's speed or cause heavy lag would be if it had very low amount of RAM (512mb or 1gb)....even 2gb phones run great on Android M...most high end phones that have 3 or more GB of memory never use all of it...you could load up 250,apps simultaneously and you would never use 4gb of memory...trust me I've tried and I'm using the OP2...most if not ALL issues related to lag these days or just spotty performance in the UK is related to the OS and how the OEM implemented it...heavy skinning, bloatware, etc etc.
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lol...why don't you read what you wrote...Snappiness -OP3 simply because it has more RAM.
All I'm saying is you're wrong...the OP3 could very well be "snappier" but it sure as hell isn't because it has 6gb of memory... memory management issues or not...the only time RAM would take away from a modern day smartphone's speed or cause heavy lag would be if it had very low amount of RAM (512mb or 1gb)....even 2gb phones run great on Android M...most high end phones that have 3 or more GB of memory never use all of it...you could load up 250,apps simultaneously and you would never use 4gb of memory...trust me I've tried and I'm using the OP2...most if not ALL issues related to lag these days or just spotty performance in the UK is related to the OS and how the OEM implemented it...heavy skinning, bloatware, etc etc.
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Bra- I know you guys in the UK think you invented English language but...
The whole paragraph explains that neither the Axon 7 or the OP3 is faster or more snappy. In so much as this is true, why not have 6GB of RAM if it doesn't cost more. Thus exactly what I wrote rather than the trainwreck you wrote :
WINNER: ONEPLUS 3 - Simply because it has more RAM, no real-world experience proves it faster. Fanboy Benchmarkers withstanding
Which simply means in headlines, newsflashes or whatever else makes you feel like you are telling someone that you're important that when 2 phones perform the same, might as well have the one with more stuff, regardless if it helps or not...
I prefer that I pick who puts words in my mouth and it turns out you're not one of them
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Bra- I know you guys in the UK think you invented English language but...
The whole paragraph explains that neither the Axon 7 or the OP3 is faster or more snappy. In so much as this is true, why not have 6GB of RAM if it doesn't cost more. Thus exactly what I wrote rather than the trainwreck you wrote :
WINNER: ONEPLUS 3 - Simply because it has more RAM, no real-world experience proves it faster. Fanboy Benchmarkers withstanding
Which simply means in headlines, newsflashes or whatever else makes you feel like you are telling someone that you're important that when 2 phones perform the same, might as well have the one with more stuff, regardless if it helps or not...
I prefer that I pick who puts words in mouth and it turns out your not one of them
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"BRA" It was spell check that changed UI to UK... would have thought that was clearly evident...but alas...
And I know what he was implying...bra...lol...aren't bras worn by women? Maybe you mean Bruh?
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"BRA" It was spell check that changed UI to UK... would have thought that was clearly evident...but alas...
And I know what he was implying...bra...lol...aren't bras worn by women? Maybe you mean Bruh?
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Nope I meant to call you "bra" and spell check had my back. Bruh is for my bruhs. "Bra" is for someone exactly like you because since you must wear them since you're a little biatch... Trolling flaming gnome. Go get in line for Harry Potter and have a nice day BRA
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PURPOSE
So 1st and foremost, the plan here is to give you my experience with these 2 phones. Granted, I have only used the Axon 7 for about 3 days now and can say I have yet to fully break it in to find everything that may or may not be right / wrong with it. However, this will be a unbiased look and comparison. I'm neither a fanboy or sheep. No brand affiliation. Not a programmer either, just a pro-sumer Senior Member of XDA willing to get trolled, flamed, etc. for sharing a look at these 2 phones. Hopefully, I can give "the everyday guy / gal look" without getting bogged down in stats, variables or benchmarks. Here goes...
MY BACKGROUND
No one special. Just a guy that likes the latest tech... phones being at the top of the list. I am a nerd. No doubt about that. I think anyone that knows about XDA probably is to some extent. No brand loyalty. Recently, I have had the privilege to try out the following phones:
1. Axon 7
2. OnePlus 3
3. HTC 10
4. LeEcco Le Max 2
5. Huawei P9
6. LG G5
7. Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge
8. Huawei Mate 8
9. Huawei Nexus 6P
10. LG Nexus 5X
11. Samsung Note 5
12. Apple iPhone 6s+
And probably some more, but these are the most recent. Does that make me qualified to make a review... Maybe. It does make me an idiot that likes new phones, though. I am always looking for something that meets my needs but also is a good phone. Currently with TMobile but have been with ATT, Verizon & Sprint at some point over 20 years of using cell phones.
MY NEEDS
I drive about 40 miles everyday to work (yes, my work week is currently 7 days a week with a few occasional days off). So, with this in mind and where I drive, I need the minimum requirements:
1. Can Stream Music
2. Bluetooth is fully compatible with my 2016 vehicle
3. An equalizer of some sort since I have only switch out my new cars speakers for better ones and don't plan on changing or adding a better sound system.
4. Decent pictures when needed
5. As a nerd, I like to "mesmerize" people with a pay with your phone app like Apple Pay or Android Pay
6. Works with my Huawei Watch
7. Relatively not laggy - will sometimes do some ROM-ing or some customization but since I tend to get rid of the phones quickly I try not to void warranties or make it too non-stock
THE COMPARISON
I am looking at my experience with the OnePlus 3 and the Axon 7 under/around these requirements and some normal stuff like battery, screen, snappiness, heat, speakers, etc. Here goes:
SOUND OVERALL
There is not too many times when I do a review comparison where 1 phone just crushes the other... and I don't mean like crushing an empty aluminum beer can in your hand crushing... I mean like BigFoot crushing late model junk cars at the end of a Monster Truck Rally Crushin'.... 'Mericaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! Sorry got carried away there a second. Honestly, how phone manufacturers cannot include a system-wide sound equalizer with all the other STUPID GUI tweaks and bastardizations they do to Android especially is beyond me in 2016. Most people are transitioning to bluetooth headphones or have bluetooth in their cars and for the most part use streaming services to/for music. Yes, there is the occasional dude with the $1000 plug-in headphones that also plugs into a in-line $2000 DAC that only listens to download Loseless Quality Music with the Music App that came with the phone.... with a show of hands, how many fall into this category??? Then why pray tell is this the only music equalization most manufacturers are catering too on their phones (Apple included)? I don't know just wanted to rant a little. With that said though, the inclusion of Dolby ATMOS without having to root on the Axon 7 plus its dual stereo forward facing speakers makes this a non-competition. Yes, you could add ViperATMOSBeatsDon'tcare Mod.zip to a rooted TWRP OnePlus 3... but why should I have to? Why can't some system-wide equalizer be included Mr. FlagShip Killer? Look at their own Community Forum and its one of the most active requests since the OnePlus 3 came out (along with actually using all the RAM the phone has)... Good Work ZTE!!! I'm sure for all you headphone people too that the AXON 7 would dominate even though I have zero to judge that on since I have never taken either the OnePlus 3's headphones nor the AXON 7's headphones out of the box.
WINNER: AXON 7 BigFoot- Crushing OnePlus 3 Grave Digger.
BATTERY
People get bent out of shape nowadays about the "wall hugger" syndrome... this is the need to re-charge your phone more than once, twice, 3-times etc. per day and being attached to a charger constantly. Well, we only have ourselves and technology to blame. Battery technology has yet to progress to a point that adequately matches all the other advances cell phones have made... I can remember in the 90's getting my first Li-ion Battery Cell Phone and was like "WOW!!! I can charge this anytime I want, days of battery life, no need to discharge the whole phone before recharging and no need for extra batteries..." Fast forward almost 30 years... AND its the same type of battery... So no phone truly wins here until technology gets better. This too along with our need for skinny things... women, cocktails, bank account, soda, etc. have phones getting increasingly skinnier without ever considering what it has do with the battery is disturbing. If only we could get back to the simpler times of a bagphone, then the battery could be as big as you want it... AHHH, the simpler times. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Really though, the batteries on both phones perform very similar in my use. The place where they differ the most is the charging. For OnePlus 3, you have to use their proprietary DASH Charge as oppose to QuickCharge 3.0. This means you can only buy OnePlus 3 chargers (or some not trustworthy knock offs) to take advantage of feature... it's not so bad now that they made the car charger available again on their website and the phone comes with a wall plug with the feature... it's just a departure from the standard many others are using and requires new accessory purchases... basically a OnePlus Money Grab.... DASH Charge is slightly faster but not enough for anyone but a battery loving neophyte to really take notice.
WINNER: AXON 7 - Sorry QuickCharge 3.0 Industry Standard beats proprietary DASH Charge even though DASH Charge is slightly faster.
HEAT
Not going to spend much time here. Both phones run Snapdragon 820's. Both phones are metal... guess what... they get hot under stress... so no winners here, only losers. Neither had to be powered off for getting too hot though, like my S7 needed to when I was doing its initial setup... so there's that. :good:
WINNER: Both or None... They get hot under processor stress and in the dreaded "At an event and have your camera constantly on then stick it in your pocket only to have 3rd degree burns on your thighs or butt" Test
SNAPPINESS
Neither phone I have taken the time to Mod or root or stare at compassionately... but both perform really well like they should. Now, let the 6GB vs. 4GB debates begin!!! First, it is well known that even after 2 updates, the OnePlus 3's RAM management is still wonky and does not fully utilize all that RAM. No matter. I can't see an advantage yet. Yes you could AnTuTu-whogivesapoop test them all day. I rather just talked about how using the phone feels. Neither have extensive bastardizations over stock android so neither grinds the phone to a halt like TouchWizCement does. I run the BETA of Sense 8 Launcher for All Android Phones on both. Both phones perform well with it. I have played Pokemon GO! on both along with Clash Royale... both run fine. GPS works good on both and locks in fairly quickly. It isn't the best I have seen but not the LG Worst either [emoji14] Until there's another processor to look at, I think most manufacturers are taking full advantage of the limits of the 820. Throwing RAM at it doesn't dramatically do anything either. I guess it good to always have it in your back pocket if needed.
WINNER: ONEPLUS 3 - Simply because it has more RAM, no real-world experience proves it faster. Fanboy Benchmarkers withstanding
DISPLAY
Not much to mention here either. Both have good displays. On paper, the AXON 7's is better. I would say that the average person not knowing that one has higher resolution than the other would have a hard time calling it out. Color reproduction is about the same on both as well. Neither have a "always-on" feature which would have been nice. Both have LED's for notifications. Here's where once again you just have to stick with the stats and say....
WINNER: AXON 7 - higher stats mean better screen right!!!!???
PHONE DESIGN
Wow! a bit to talk about here. Let's start on both phones exterior features and design. Both are designed well. Definitely not ugly by any stretch of the imagination. The AXON 7 was designed with help from BMW and significantly improves on the previous generation iteration, like having actual speakers in both of the speaker grill looking forward facing top and bottom of screen. I do have the gold AXON 7... the color isn't the greatest but I wasn't going to wait for the gray one to come out to test it... I might return the gold for a gray if they become available in my return window. The OnePlus 3 is a pretty phone too. It doesn't have a firm like BMW attached to it, but one feels they did a good job of improving on the OnePlus 2 design without getting away from their bread and butter core design elements. With that, I love the alert slider... call me an isheep but I feel to this day that it is the single greatest design advantage the iPhone has had over any Android phone for years now. Although not as perfectly functional as Apples is, the OnePlus 3 is a great feature. Both have excellent fingerprint readers. Very fast. For my use case, a front facing fingerprint reader is better. That's my use case, in a cradle, in my car, that I get in and out of while sometime leaving my phone in the cradle, makes the front facing reader slightly more convenient. NFC chip and camera placement good on both as well. AXON 7 does have one design characteristic that I found annoying and I noticed while playing Clash Royale.... the power button is on the right side of the phone near the center. While playing and trying to drag drop to the top of the screen, you can easily inadvertently toggle the on/off button, this might be the button is overly sensitive or just my clumsiness. OnePlus 3 scores some extras too with swapstyle cases... Why can't other phone manufacturers take notes here. I think it is great that I can get relatively cheap exclusively designed nice looking cases for my OnePlus 3... for the AXON 7, I'm stuck with Chinese knock off cheesy poop designed cases with TPU raining from skies... I need a case and sure the first thing that comes to mind when I get a nice looking professionally designed by BMW phone is to put it into a TPU trashcan of a case because 0.0 (zero point zero) cases by ZTE are available or even look worthy of residing on the phone.... yep, I so love it. AXON 7 does step it up with one thing, SD card compatibility. More storage... sure I can use that anytime...
WINNER: TIED - OnePlus 3 would have won here, but not having SD Card capability is just dumb... especially since you used the space for a dual SIM.
CAMERA
I have done a couple of these reviews and every time I point out that I am not a big fan of cameras on phones. I went to school for photography and movie making back when film was still used. Have seen lenses that cost more than my current house and have seen Ansel Adams original prints first hand. So, it makes me a camera snob... thus, my opinion of on phone cameras is that they are all Bantha PooDoo. However, improvements are made with every new phone and even though innovations have seem to slow in favor of the pixel wars... one day they might be great.
Looking at both and later I will put up some similar shots from both, each phone have decent cameras. The OnePlus performs better in low light especially however I would not count the AXON 7 out in the cold as I feel that the AXON 7's low light difficulties might be able to be corrected with feature updates. The AXON 7 does have it's ripoff version of a "live photo" that works pretty decent plus some decent scenario modes that just work better for pictures I may take. The OnePlus 3's camera software is just basic with good custom manual settings. The AXON 7 has manual mode as well. Like I said, I will upload some similar shots from each and you can decide.
WINNER: TBD
CONCLUSION
So, what can I conclude? Both phones are awesome... Both have plus and minuses. I don't think there's a clear hands down winner and would not want to argue that point. I can only tell you that beyond everything else that the lack of a system-wide equalizer for sound just annoys little brown stinkies out of me. My commute to work is a big part of my day sometimes 7 days a week. I want to listen to Sirius XM app and Google Play Music so it sound great in my car. I want to set some equalization that make it sound awesome then forget it is even there. Not constant resetting of bass boost, tweaking sound to have it all reset again and again. Why provide a basic equalizer in Google Play Music on the OnePlus 3 that always has the bass setting reset when a call comes in, you switch to a new app or the crappy RAM Management software kicks it out of memory even though you locked it into memory on the all apps screen? That just pains me... If OnePlus does listen to their customer base, maybe just maybe they will add one in a future OTA update. Who knows. Having had the original AXON, I have to say that this phone is definitely an improvement and is worth checking out if you liked the original. I am still a little off-put by the fact that ZTE has done very little to support this phone with accessories like cases and stuff making me hit Aliexpress for the Oscar the Grouch specials that they have there. Could you survive with either one of these phones as your next new phone... of course! Hopefully, this little review will help you out in that decision. Lastly and as always, this is just Some Guys Opinion...
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Thanks but no thanks... You actually didn't influence my thoughts. More like 1 step forward, 1 step backward, your pros fit both phones matched your cons
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Thanks for your comparison! Not sure why people are so arrogant or condescending. Appreciate your effort writing this up so some of us can make a better decision.
ashburton said:
Thanks but no thanks... You actually didn't influence my thoughts. More like 1 step forward, 1 step backward, your pros fit both phones matched your cons
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That's the whole point. Too many so called "real" reviews online do not give an honest opinion and are influenced by the author getting free stuff, free phone, etc. My point is to not make you say "hey I need to go get one of these phones now" but rather "I did know that and didn't know this... now I do." Thanks for reading!
Charkol said:
Thanks for your comparison! Not sure why people are so arrogant or condescending. Appreciate your effort writing this up so some of us can make a better decision.
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Yep!! You got the point exactly. I'm not here to "influence" anyone into making a decision. I'm not a ZTE or OP3 salesperson. Just laying out real world facts as I see them (Thus the title of the post). Too many blog reviews make phones out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread or the bottom layer of poop in an unattended bird cage (like the stuff stuck to newspaper on the bottom). The fact of the matter is that these people tend to be influenced in other ways (monetarily, free stuff, etc.) to make or break a review. Just because I posted in the AXON 7 forum, does not mean that the AXON 7 wins every category automatically. The AXON 7 is a good phone but not without some flaws, same with the OP3. It's knowing what flaws you can live with and which ones you can't that should influence your decision rather than Some Guys Opinion hahahahahaha :highfive:
Post some stats of battery life comparison. I highly doubt the A7 gets better battery than the OP3.
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mahst68 said:
Nope I meant to call you "bra" and spell check had my back. Bruh is for my bruhs. "Bra" is for someone exactly like you because since you must wear them since you're a little biatch... Trolling flaming gnome. Go get in line for Harry Potter and have a nice day BRA
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I'm an American and am embarrassed to read what you wrote.
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darkjedi said:
I'm an American and am embarrassed to read what you wrote.
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You are an American?
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I'm an American and am embarrassed to read what you wrote.
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I am too but he stopped commenting so there's that. Sorry I know it was very lame
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Post some stats of battery life comparison. I highly doubt the A7 gets better battery than the OP3.
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Didn't say it did actually.... I said it performed similarly. I also said that the OP3 actually charges faster. Why did I pick the AXON 7 then.... well, that's the question isn't?
Oh wait... it's right there in the Battery paragraph if you only took time to read thoroughly... thanks!
I guess, that the snappiness of the OnePlus 3 isn't only because of more Ram, but also because of the much slimmer Oxygen OS.
I didn't receive my OnePlus 3 so far, but even when it's faster, I think I can't live without those awesome speakers of the ZTE Axon 7.
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Didn't say it did actually.... I said it performed similarly. I also said that the OP3 actually charges faster. Why did I pick the AXON 7 then.... well, that's the question isn't?
Oh wait... it's right there in the Battery paragraph if you only took time to read thoroughly... thanks!
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Your review was kind of big b.s that's why no time to waste on reading all of it. Do a better job next time. Thanks!
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Cypher_01 said:
I guess, that the snappiness of the OnePlus 3 isn't only because of more Ram, but also because of the much slimmer Oxygen OS.
I didn't receive my OnePlus 3 so far, but even when it's faster, I think I can't live without those awesome speakers of the ZTE Axon 7.
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Yep. I wish I could get past the sound thing. Unfortunately it consumes about an hour of my day everyday if not longer. You'll enjoy the OP3. Great phone!!
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Your review was kind of big b.s that's why no time to waste on reading all of it. Do a better job next time. Thanks!
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Why is it a bs review? Explain
I honestly feel this device has been grossly misrepresented by several youtube reviewers. I don't think Google is to be blamed for the hype. I think the youtube reviewers got this wrong from the get-go. Everybody thought the Tensor chip, updated camera specs, android 12, lower-than-typical price point etc is simply going to route the competition. All that is public generated and not google. But then when the units started to come out, people were going ga ga over it over and over. But then I've had the device for a while now and sadly, i don't share their enthusiasm. I am almost scratching my head and wondering what the hell are these reviewers smoking? Trust me, there is no "issue" with my particular unit. My unit is just fine. However, my complaints are..
1. Camera is not that great. it's good. but not distinctly better than a Samsung or iphone. And what's with it taking a few seconds to "process" all the time?
2. The front camera is laughably bad. Maybe not for still pictures.. but when using it for video calling on duo or Whatsapp it is so freaking grainy like as if it's coming from a 2012 smartphone.
3. The build quality - The phone is a bit too dense for it's size. I have the S21 ultra and even though that is a bigger phone, it feels lighter and thinner in the hand. The Pixel 6 feels like a heavy rock.
4. The auto brightness is wonky. We all know this already. How could google get the autobrightness so badly wrong is mind boggling.
5. The software is good, but honestly I think Samsung has done a great job with one ui 4. I HATE that I have to click things twice to turn off the internet.
6. Why is there no facial unlock? Ridiculous!!! especially considering the fingerprint scanner is a POS. Plus one can't expand notifications from the lockscreen without a facial unlock. Fingerprint scanner unlock will bring you to the home screen.
7. Did I mention the phone is too dense for it's size? Extremely slippery without a case and with a case too bulky than it already is.
8. I always find it interesting that no other phone on the market has as good a network connectivity as Samsung. Samsung phones simply latch on and have good network connectivity. The Pixel 6 is OK.. .. nothing to ride home about.
9. The phone was so hard to find stocked anywhere.. Google completely botched it.
Do any of you guys have any more to contribute to the list? I
You might get the answers you are looking for on Whatsapp or Facebook.
Buying a $600 vs a $1000 phone is some of the real answer.
vandyman said:
You might get the answers you are looking for on Whatsapp or Facebook.
Buying a $600 vs a $1000 phone is some of the real answer.
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Your comment is implying that Google took some really cheap shortcuts to make the phone deliberately this bad and you are saying "you get what you pay for.. don't expect anything more for $600".
I don't think that is the case here. The two back camera lenses are exactly the same from the 6 pro. The chip is the same. The software is the same. I am sure google making this device more dense than a rock has nothing to do with cutting cost. Overall, I think it's just really bad and sloppy design choices and QAQC on google's part.
androidbuff123 said:
Your comment is implying that Google took some really cheap shortcuts to make the phone deliberately this bad and you are saying "you get what you pay for.. don't expect anything more for $600".
I don't think that is the case here. The two back camera lenses are exactly the same from the 6 pro. The chip is the same. The software is the same. I am sure google making this device more dense than a rock has nothing to do with cutting cost. Overall, I think it's just really bad and sloppy design choices and QAQC on google's part.
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Samsungs $1000 phone has the better camera.
Pixel 6 pro has the 4x zoom.
I do not use a cell phone for photography, the Camara on a cell phone is for taking quick pictures of a convenient moment.
LIke I said you will get more people to agree with you on social media. They are a hell of lot smarter people than here on XDA.
Here is a link for basing the P6 Camara.
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This is probably going to be am unpopular opinion but does anyone else think that the Pixel 6 camera sucks? Pics straight out of device are a) over sharpened and b) flat. The canned filters are poor too. Enhance does nearly nothing, dynamic is a...
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Depends what you are coming from and what one compares against. Is comparing with an S21 really fair?
axelmasok said:
Depends what you are coming from and what one compares against. Is comparing with an S21 really fair?
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No I am not really comparing with S21 Ultra. I mentioned that phone to say it feels lighter and thinner than the immensely dense design of the pixel 6. Another recent issue I've been noticing is how Google assistant a> does not give a audible feedback when invoked from the lockscreen or elsewhere and b> it gets randomly activated with noises from the TV (which are not saying the keywords).
I am going to wait until Google pushes the next update and see if that hopefully fixes most if not all of these issues. Google is really screwing the pooch on this one.
I am not sure if density is the issue, to me the issue is more about balance. I feel the huge camera bar makes it top-heavy and therefore a bit awkward to hold.
I am satisfied with the Pixel 6. I did my research before buying it, so no surprise on my side. However, I can imagine that some folks found the articles about the best phone of the year and thought that it is altogether better than the flagships, like S21 Ultra. It is not at all about beating everyone. What I got is a reasonable phone for a reasonable price. That's it from my side.
The parity of information is there, you can find all information on the Internet. Actually, we have too many options, so most of the buyers would be less and less happier buying something because of their FOMO.
Hi,
there is a rumor saying there will be no charger added inside the box of mark IV while the price will be higher at the same price.
Is sony kidding me?
I am avoiding it if there will be no charger...
If I will be selling mark III the person who will buy it will want to have charger too.
Price of mark 3 was already too high in comparison to what it offers, support it receives and software.
I expect mark IV to be cheaper.
There are devices of mark 3 power 50% - 70% cheaper.
Feels like the Mark III series is dumped before it's even working reasonably well. I wouldn't touch another Sony phone if this is how their product support goes.
The Mark III is new and I want a 3rd party OS already.
Indeed, sony software support or division in general is worst from every manufacturer. They do not spend a penny on a software once device is released.
Since they do not provide any cooling solution to cpu (laughable considering the price) and in case device turns to burn out the only thing they do is to reduce the clocks to throttle it and tat's it. Any invest at all they provide is in case some must have feature like unlocking is not working due to crappy cheap fingerprint scanner. These are the only cases they do anything with soft.
As said. This is unacceptable at this price.
And still they want to increase it for the same + remove charger?
decomposed said:
Hi,
there is a rumor saying there will be no charger added inside the box of mark IV while the price will be higher at the same price.
Is sony kidding me?
I am avoiding it if there will be no charger...
If I will be selling mark III the person who will buy it will want to have charger too.
Price of mark 3 was already too high in comparison to what it offers, support it receives and software.
I expect mark IV to be cheaper.
There are devices of mark 3 power 50% - 70% cheaper.
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1 III is one of a kind. No other android phone is on the same page with it in terms of performance.
Stop crying like babies. There'll be charger in the box (45w). And do not forget that it'll pack Sony's best 40 and 50mp cameras on the back with the latest 8 gen 1 + proc. and so on . And the quality worths a bit of extra for me. My xz premium and z3 still work without any errors, freezes or anything while my friends' other ios and android phones don't work right anymore, drain their batteries, random restarts and freezes etc etc..
All my old lcd xperias had problems with yellowish tint over time. That was because of the glue used.
For sony mounting new cameras does not make sense. Result is still the same: mediocre. Apple, shamesung , pixels or huawei are always taking better shots, creating better videos. Mark 3 does not even have night mode and you cannot record 4k 60fps videos in main camera. Only in crappy cinema mode lol! And no 21:9 pics hence no sense of using such screen dimensions other than cutting the costs. So called camera phone and it doesn't have dedicated album app since they removed sony album app and replaced it with stock google crap. Again to cut the costs.
Besides they only advertise camera camera camera, seems they do not have anything else to market. I do not know anyone who still believes in their marketing camera bull. Since years they are claiming they now deliver best camera and what? Always far from competition... Apart from camera they are very weak in terms of software, I would say they almost abandoned providing new features, improving what is in phone or adding new functions or apps. They suffer in terms of soft a lot.
When it comes to charger they already removed it from 10 mark III...
decomposed said:
All my old lcd xperias had problems with yellowish tint over time. That was because of the glue used.
For sony mounting new cameras does not make sense. Result is still the same: mediocre. Apple, shamesung , pixels or huawei are always taking better shots, creating better videos. Mark 3 does not even have night mode and you cannot record 4k 60fps videos in main camera. Only in crappy cinema mode lol! And no 21:9 pics hence no sense of using such screen dimensions other than cutting the costs. So called camera phone and it doesn't have dedicated album app since they removed sony album app and replaced it with stock google crap. Again to cut the costs.
Besides they only advertise camera camera camera, seems they do not have anything else to market. I do not know anyone who still believes in their marketing camera bull. Since years they are claiming they now deliver best camera and what? Always far from competition... Apart from camera they are very weak in terms of software, I would say they almost abandoned providing new features, improving what is in phone or adding new functions or apps. They suffer in terms of soft a lot.
When it comes to charger they already removed it from 10 mark III...
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Not to mention nearly all of those manufacturers use Sony's stuff. Night mode is an unnatural mode, I don't even need it. Photographers tested it and said it really is the best camera phone, you just have to know what to do and how. That's terrible, you have to open the cinema pro for 4k 60fps -.-' I have Sony Album app btw. And let's put an end to this argue, if you don't like Sony then don't buy it and leave the forum I don't know what did you do to your phones, I've never had yellow tint on any of my Sony phones. My old Xperia Ion still works flawlessly too, but it's not mine anymore. It's my friend's second phone for his other sim card. Stepfather's Xperia Z has no problems at all.
Would like too see what would those other manufacturers do if Sony wouldn't sell them cameras anymore
decomposed said:
Hi,
there is a rumor saying there will be no charger added inside the box of mark IV while the price will be higher at the same price.
Is sony kidding me?
I am avoiding it if there will be no charger...
If I will be selling mark III the person who will buy it will want to have charger too.
Price of mark 3 was already too high in comparison to what it offers, support it receives and software.
I expect mark IV to be cheaper.
There are devices of mark 3 power 50% - 70% cheaper.
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No way that Xperia 1 IV that will be any cheaper. Quite opposite scenario is more likely - at least $1300 or even more. Sony never went cheap with their products.
LaceeWearsPrada said:
Not to mention nearly all of those manufacturers use Sony's stuff. Night mode is an unnatural mode, I don't even need it. Photographers tested it and said it really is the best camera phone, you just have to know what to do and how. That's terrible, you have to open the cinema pro for 4k 60fps -.-' I have Sony Album app btw. And let's put an end to this argue, if you don't like Sony then don't buy it and leave the forum I don't know what did you do to your phones, I've never had yellow tint on any of my Sony phones. My old Xperia Ion still works flawlessly too, but it's not mine anymore. It's my friend's second phone for his other sim card. Stepfather's Xperia Z has no problems at all.
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Don't tell me what should I do and what not. Go back to school. In past, during lcd tines many sony phones had problems, not only with common yellowish tint but also with fake waterproof, google it. Interestingly seems to appear also with oled displays. Just few examples:
How To Solve Yellow Tint On Screen And Water Damage Problems On Sony Xperia Z1S - PCbezz
<p>Sony Xperia Z1S is mainly adopted by many people because of its waterproof facility. Other than this facility, Sony has also included other functionalities such as Wi-Fi connectivity, 32 GB internal storage, and the round shaped corner makes you feel comfortable while operating the...
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Has anyone else apart from myself experienced a yellow tint on their display?? It's more noticeable on a white background, especially when viewing webpages. I happen to notice it more so at the bottom of the display than anywhere else. It seems as if i am not alone, as there are a good number...
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LaceeWearsPrada said:
Would like too see what would those other manufacturers do if Sony wouldn't sell them cameras anymore
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Buy it from other manufacturers? Like samsung?
Don't you have any imagination? Use your brain.
Besides it's not only about hardware, there are plenty of reviews and posts confirming aony takes worse pictures than other brands, especially in auto mode and dark conditions.
And yes, other brands using sony sensors stoll does way better than sony due to better software. And that's a fact confirmed by many specialists who compared camera samples.
decomposed said:
Buy it from other manufacturers? Like samsung?
Don't you have any imagination? Use your brain.
Besides it's not only about hardware, there are plenty of reviews and posts confirming aony takes worse pictures than other brands, especially in auto mode and dark conditions.
And yes, other brands using sony sensors stoll does way better than sony due to better software. And that's a fact confirmed by many specialists who compared camera samples.
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Lol why you aint buy another device then ? Taking photos with my 1 iii without flash in the night make good shots and the build quality of xperia is far more better then other brands 100%
Pandemic said:
Lol why you aint buy another device then ? Taking photos with my 1 iii without flash in the night make good shots and the build quality of xperia is far more better then other brands 100%
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Build quality is ok now, agree, that was not always the case in past. However, rest of the points remain valid.
decomposed said:
Don't tell me what should I do and what not. Go back to school. In past, during lcd tines many sony phones had problems, not only with common yellowish tint but also with fake waterproof, google it. Interestingly seems to appear also with oled displays. Just few examples:
How To Solve Yellow Tint On Screen And Water Damage Problems On Sony Xperia Z1S - PCbezz
<p>Sony Xperia Z1S is mainly adopted by many people because of its waterproof facility. Other than this facility, Sony has also included other functionalities such as Wi-Fi connectivity, 32 GB internal storage, and the round shaped corner makes you feel comfortable while operating the...
www.technobezz.com
Xperia 5 Black Crush /Green /Yellow tinted screen
This green/yellow tint and black crush happened after a month of use. I Sent the phone to service /repair and they changed components and upgraded to Android 10. Everything was great, but now after about 2 - 3 weeks of use, the same effect have started to appear again. Is this the general issue...
community.sony.es
Sony Xperia Z2 Yellow Tint Display after Repair
Hi all, Yesterday i got my repaired Xperia Z2 back. The actual Problem with a "Green Tint" Error showing when watching Photos in the Sony Album didn't get solved. The Company who repaired the Phone replaced the Display with a new one. They told...
forum.xda-developers.com
Help - Yellow tint on a white backgound
Has anyone else apart from myself experienced a yellow tint on their display?? It's more noticeable on a white background, especially when viewing webpages. I happen to notice it more so at the bottom of the display than anywhere else. It seems as if i am not alone, as there are a good number...
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Fake waterproof xD I always used them in extreme conditions. Never had any water damage. Those who had problems maybe forgot to mention that they broke their screen or something and took it to a little shop somewhere to replace it, but they didn't use the oem parts and glue. Once I ran into this with my Z3, I broke the screen because I accidentally dropped it from a ladder. I was already out of guarantee time so I went to find a shop to replace it. They said they use oem screen and glue but I've noticed after the replace that something isn't right, so I opened the Aida64 and the screen wasn't 1080p, but 720p. I went back for compensation, they didn't accept it. I took the effort and they had to close their shops not long after.
decomposed said:
Buy it from other manufacturers? Like samsung?
Don't you have any imagination? Use your brain.
Besides it's not only about hardware, there are plenty of reviews and posts confirming aony takes worse pictures than other brands, especially in auto mode and dark conditions.
And yes, other brands using sony sensors stoll does way better than sony due to better software. And that's a fact confirmed by many specialists who compared camera samples.
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Mr specialist. Samsung also buys from Sony Iphone uses Sony sensors. Xiaomi uses Sony sensors. Everyone's using their sensors Take a look at pro photographer's reviews on the YouTube. They showed what it's capable of. Don't blame Sony that you can't use a pro camera device you said "don't tell me what to do" but maan, if you don't like Sony why are you here?!?!
decomposed said:
Build quality is ok now, agree, that was not always the case in past. However, rest of the points remain valid.
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It was always the case Was a good decision to make the battery unremovable because that made a lot of problems, but it was the case with every other manufacturers.
LaceeWearsPrada said:
Stop crying like babies. There'll be charger in the box (45w). And do not forget that it'll pack Sony's best 40 and 50mp cameras on the back with the latest 8 gen 1 + proc. and so on . And the quality worths a bit of extra for me. My xz premium and z3 still work without any errors, freezes or anything while my friends' other ios and android phones don't work right anymore, drain their batteries, random restarts and freezes etc etc..
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So once it was presented and we know it then where is your charger included in the box? And where are your "vest 40 a d 50mp cameras on the back"???
Who is crying like babies?
I will help you: you are!
Ignorant fanboy...
decomposed said:
So once it was presented and we know it then where is your charger included in the box? And where are your "vest 40 a d 50mp cameras on the back"???
Who is crying like babies?
I will help you: you are!
Ignorant fanboy...
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Yeah, I'm crying uh-huh who's here again to say something nonsense?! You can complain, but the only ones who got the phones so far is testers. Sony still says that they'll ship it with fast chargers. Okay, they didn't use those big mp cameras , even if they could beat the s*#+ out of other manufacturers with them. Wondering why they don't want to do that... But have to mention there that those Photographers who got their own Xperia IV to test it in real life conditions, they were really impressed by this phone, just like they were with 1 III. If you want to complain then complain, if you're not satisfied with what Sony offer, then leave the forum and buy something else. Btw if they do not include a charger, then what?! Who does nowadays?! Idk about you, but I don't really care about these little things
Hi,
My Xperia 1IV just came few days ago.
Paid 6500 PLN with VAT (23%).WH1000XM4 were included (1300PLN incl tax).
As I was planning on buying those headphones anyway for my wife, Xperia price was very attractive for me.
6500PLN is about 1400EUR. But 5200PLN is only 1100EUR.
No charger in the box (I don't worry, because I have more than enough).
Sony camera needs user knowledge to make good shots. And then it's better than any other phone in most circumstances.
It's a weird phone, with really strange design choices in many places. But it's not "bad".
I chose it over S22 Ultra. Specifically because it's a divergent design.
ov_darkness said:
Hi,
My Xperia 1IV just came few days ago.
Paid 6500 PLN with VAT (23%).WH1000XM4 were included (1300PLN incl tax).
As I was planning on buying those headphones anyway for my wife, Xperia price was very attractive for me.
6500PLN is about 1400EUR. But 5200PLN is only 1100EUR.
No charger in the box (I don't worry, because I have more than enough).
Sony camera needs user knowledge to make good shots. And then it's better than any other phone in most circumstances.
It's a weird phone, with really strange design choices in many places. But it's not "bad".
I chose it over S22 Ultra. Specifically because it's a divergent design.
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How is cellular network compatibility? I just spent a few days without service because the US model 1 III doesn't support domestic roaming on smaller carriers. Despite all the claimed LTE and NR bands, it's no more compatible than a cheap Chinese market phone. I don't know why they even bothered.