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Through it, it is possible https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr.../tool-capire-le-treble-terble-vendor-t3774629
I see our partition “/system/vendor” 1.3G size
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liushangrong said:
Through it, it is possible https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr.../tool-capire-le-treble-terble-vendor-t3774629
I see our partition “/system/vendor” 1.3G size
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I'm curious. What good would some self-hacked Treble do unless LG gives it to us? LG isn't going to say, "Oh XDA users made a Treble for V30. We'll use that to give them faster updates." No, they will keep giving us updates THEIR way.
Tell me what else Treble is good for? Nothing for the V30, that I can think of.
Treble is designed to theoretically give faster updates from the manufacturer/carrier. Treble only affects custom ROMs and devs if you have bootloader unlocked device with a way to get root. And right now those are open market US998 V30, European H930, and European H930G -- because those are the ones approved by LG. And those already have ROMs, TWRP, etc because they are bootloader unlocked and have full flash commands.
So...
Self-hacked Treble won't help the variants that don't have bootloader unlock and/or full flash commands.
And Treble would only help the three LG Developer website variants by possibly giving them AOSP ROMs. At the expense of losing quad DAC and AI camera functionality.
Please tell me what I am not understanding or missing?
We can, and we will, eventually ?
First need to find out what causes my los15.1 to be so unstable (the rest all works... cam, nfc, audio, ril, bt, wifi,...)
Have the same problem on all aosp based roms (tried LOS and GZOSP so far), so its either device tree, blobs or kernel fault
afterwards i can try to get a real vendor partition (repartitioning basically, possible on the g6/5/v20, so hopefully for us too)
And then some Treble, after i haxed some blobs that force link to /system instead of using the linker ... ? (e.g. vibrator has 2 libs that do that, and some others that search configs only in /system/etc )
Atleast thats the plan so far....
I personally dont care about the AI cam, but DAC is possible, with enough work, according to rashed atleast ?
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I personally dont care about the AI cam, but DAC is possible, with enough work, according to rashed atleast ?
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Is there a thread discussing, how and if the DAC is possible that you can link here please
ChazzMatt said:
I'm curious. What good would some self-hacked Treble do unless LG gives it to us? LG isn't going to say, "Oh XDA users made a Treble for V30. We'll use that to give them faster updates." No, they will keep giving us updates THEIR way.
Tell me what else Treble is good for? Nothing for the V30, that I can think of.
Treble is designed to theoretically give faster updates from the manufacturer/carrier. Treble only affects custom ROMs and devs if you have bootloader unlocked device with a way to get root. And right now those are open market US998 V30, European H930, and European H930G -- because those are the ones approved by LG. And those already have ROMs, TWRP, etc because they are bootloader unlocked and have full flash commands.
So...
Self-hacked Treble won't help the variants that don't have bootloader unlock and/or full flash commands.
And Treble would only help the three LG Developer website variants by possibly giving them AOSP ROMs. At the expense of losing quad DAC and AI camera functionality.
Please tell me what I am not understanding or missing?
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I own the US998 and I want to get high pitches to get AOSP ROMs (I believe many people would also like to get). I don't have the ability to get it. But I am looking forward to it! In the future there will certainly be an AI camera running on Aosp (perhaps not as good as LG). The DAC will also have a balance, maybe.
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We can, and we will, eventually
First need to find out what causes my los15.1 to be so unstable (the rest all works... cam, nfc, audio, ril, bt, wifi,...)
Have the same problem on all aosp based roms (tried LOS and GZOSP so far), so its either device tree, blobs or kernel fault
afterwards i can try to get a real vendor partition (repartitioning basically, possible on the g6/5/v20, so hopefully for us too)
And then some Treble, after i haxed some blobs that force link to /system instead of using the linker ... ? (e.g. vibrator has 2 libs that do that, and some others that search configs only in /system/etc )
Atleast thats the plan so far....
I personally dont care about the AI cam, but DAC is possible, with enough work, according to rashed atleast
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Looking forward, this means that there will be more AOSP ROMs. I am willing to pay for this. Because other people can do nothing.
liushangrong said:
Looking forward, this means that there will be more AOSP ROMs. I am willing to pay for this. Because other people can do nothing.
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Working on this same ******* bug for over a month now, ask many other devs with more experience... Nobody has a clue wth is going wrong there xD
Logs are basically empty, theres no pstore/ramoops created either... .-.
all im doing is guessing here..... and that not really successful xD
And Treble would only help the three LG Developer website variants by possibly giving them AOSP ROMs. At the expense of losing quad DAC and AI camera functionality.
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This is EXACTLY what Treble is good for, but you misunderstand. On a device that natively supports Treble, it is insanely easy to build AOSP with everything working just like the stock ROM.
Now, on a phone that you can hack it in, if you get it working ONCE, then you can pretty much upgrade to new versions of AOSP and still have a fully functional phone -- THAT is why you would want to convert a phone to Treble. Hack hard once, and enjoy it for the long run
You are correct that you need a rooted phone to take advantage of it. Even phones that ship with Treble are pretty much useless -- because as you said, they still don't ship updates in a timely manner, and if you don't have an unlocked bootloader with full fastboot, then you won't be getting AOSP.
Treble is awesome, don't think that it isn't. However, it is only awesome on developer friendly phones.
TL;DR: Hacking in Treble support on the H930/G and US998 is most definitely worth the effort in the long run. You can bet your rear that I will be hacking it into the V20 *IF* LG doesn't break the engineering aboot with the Oreo update.
-- Brian
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This is EXACTLY what Treble is good for, but you misunderstand. On a device that natively supports Treble, it is insanely easy to build AOSP with everything working just like the stock ROM.
Now, on a phone that you can hack it in, if you get it working ONCE, then you can pretty much upgrade to new versions of AOSP and still have a fully functional phone -- THAT is why you would want to convert a phone to Treble. Hack hard once, and enjoy it for the long run
You are correct that you need a rooted phone to take advantage of it. Even phones that ship with Treble are pretty much useless -- because as you said, they still don't ship updates in a timely manner, and if you don't have an unlocked bootloader with full fastboot, then you won't be getting AOSP.
Treble is awesome, don't think that it isn't. However, it is only awesome on developer friendly phones.
TL;DR: Hacking in Treble support on the H930/G and US998 is most definitely worth the effort in the long run. You can bet your rear that I will be hacking it into the V20 *IF* LG doesn't break the engineering aboot with the Oreo update.
-- Brian
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Exactly, and about the V20, i think (on discord) rashed mentioned something about treble for the g6/5/v20, and that its almost done
also something about repartitioning ?
Might wanna work with him?
btw, you dont have by chance a clue what could cause my issues stated above ??
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This is EXACTLY what Treble is good for, but you misunderstand. On a device that natively supports Treble, it is insanely easy to build AOSP with everything working just like the stock ROM.
Now, on a phone that you can hack it in, if you get it working ONCE, then you can pretty much upgrade to new versions of AOSP and still have a fully functional phone -- THAT is why you would want to convert a phone to Treble. Hack hard once, and enjoy it for the long run
You are correct that you need a rooted phone to take advantage of it. Even phones that ship with Treble are pretty much useless -- because as you said, they still don't ship updates in a timely manner, and if you don't have an unlocked bootloader with full fastboot, then you won't be getting AOSP.
Treble is awesome, don't think that it isn't. However, it is only awesome on developer friendly phones.
TL;DR: Hacking in Treble support on the H930/G and US998 is most definitely worth the effort in the long run. You can bet your rear that I will be hacking it into the V20 *IF* LG doesn't break the engineering aboot with the Oreo update.
-- Brian
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You said it in a way better than me.
I'm very skeptical Treble will give much faster updates from carriers/OEMs to non-rooted phones, when they have no financial incentive to provide faster updates. In fact, one regional carrier I used to be with basically said "You want a new OS, then you need buy a new phone."
Yep .. disposable phones.
Hopefully in Treble 2.0, Google will require an update mechanism be in place for users to pull (or Google to push) OS updates directly. Then having a rooted phone is just a bonus, but not needed to get timely updates.
If you look at the updates that are pushed to phones currently, the firmware is actually updated very rarely, and it is mainly the modem.
-- Brian
runningnak3d said:
Yep .. disposable phones.
Hopefully in Treble 2.0, Google will require an update mechanism be in place for users to pull (or Google to push) OS updates directly. Then having a rooted phone is just a bonus, but not needed to get timely updates.
If you look at the updates that are pushed to phones currently, the firmware is actually updated very rarely, and it is mainly the modem.
-- Brian
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It seems that we still need to wait. There is no news at all.
LMFAO.
Sorry, but you must be a new LG owner. LG is one of the WORST OEMs.
-- Brian
Hey everyone
As you probably heard, more and more V30 models get unlocked. And as i cant test everything on just my H930 (and neither can my 2 testers with their H930s), i wanted to ask, if someone, with another model, might wanna help testing (mainly) LineageOS?
There doesnt seem to be such a big difference between all the models though, as some people already tried my LOS on the US998 (but they had problems with incomming calls? went straight to voicemail or so), and on an unlocked H930DS there seems to be a problem with RIL in general (detects the sim card according to logs, but then something ****s up and no sim cards anymore).
I kinda wanna provide a good (alternative to stock) AOSP experience to as many models as possible
I also wont mind if someone also wants to help me out with developing ^^
So... to come to the conclusion. If anyone is interested in being a Tester, answer here and also write down which Model (with which current official firmware) you have
You also should atleast know how to get logs (with logcat and so), makes life easier ^^
Best regards
I'll get back to you when I get a H930DS after someone confirms that dual sim functionality is unaffected by WTF-unlocking. I definitely prefer Lineage over stock, so expect "daily driver" type of testing.
Never done anything with custom roms or rooting before, but I am getting sick an tired of the design, functionality, bloatware, and stability of the default LG rom on my LG V30. I'm also upset with LG's abandonment of the device. They've made multiple devices in order to bury the LG V30. It took months to get 8.0, and not the promised 8.1, and now I fear I'll never see it.
I've looked at DotOS, and I really like the design and features of the rom, and there's the fact that I'll actually get updates. What should I do? Should I attempt the installation of DotOS on my device, or should I stay away to avoid bricking it?
Are the few lost features worth the many new ones?
Where should I start in learning how to do this stuff safely?
I planned on using on old android device in order to "practice", but read that the firmware/software used by AT&T Samsung Galaxy S6 isn't able to be bootloader unlocked. so seems like I can't do that anymore.
Thanks
EatMoreB8con said:
Never done anything with custom roms or rooting before, but I am getting sick an tired of the design, functionality, bloatware, and stability of the default LG rom on my LG V30. I'm also upset with LG's abandonment of the device. They've made multiple devices in order to bury the LG V30. It took months to get 8.0, and not the promised 8.1, and now I fear I'll never see it.
I've looked at DotOS, and I really like the design and features of the rom, and there's the fact that I'll actually get updates. What should I do? Should I attempt the installation of DotOS on my device, or should I stay away to avoid bricking it?
Are the few lost features worth the many new ones?
Where should I start in learning how to do this stuff safely?
I planned on using on old android device in order to "practice", but read that the firmware/software used by AT&T Samsung Galaxy S6 isn't able to be bootloader unlocked. so seems like I can't do that anymore.
Thanks
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If you never rooted before, you have to read a lot before taking chances. There is always the risk of bricking your device. That being said, root gives you a lot of freedom to customize way beyond what stock allows. And you definitely will be able to update after LGs expiration date goes by. And there are lots of guides and help. @chazzmat has contributed a lot on this and many others here. And if you do your homework before dipping in you will probably do fine.
EatMoreB8con said:
Never done anything with custom roms or rooting before, but I am getting sick an tired of the design, functionality, bloatware, and stability of the default LG rom on my LG V30. I'm also upset with LG's abandonment of the device. They've made multiple devices in order to bury the LG V30. It took months to get 8.0, and not the promised 8.1, and now I fear I'll never see it.
I've looked at DotOS, and I really like the design and features of the rom, and there's the fact that I'll actually get updates. What should I do? Should I attempt the installation of DotOS on my device, or should I stay away to avoid bricking it?
Are the few lost features worth the many new ones?
Where should I start in learning how to do this stuff safely?
I planned on using on old android device in order to "practice", but read that the firmware/software used by AT&T Samsung Galaxy S6 isn't able to be bootloader unlocked. so seems like I can't do that anymore.
Thanks
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AT&T? Do you have a H931? If yes, AOSP based ROMs will only bootloop on your device :/
EatMoreB8con said:
Never done anything with custom roms or rooting before, but I am getting sick an tired of the design, functionality, bloatware, and stability of the default LG rom on my LG V30. I'm also upset with LG's abandonment of the device. They've made multiple devices in order to bury the LG V30. It took months to get 8.0, and not the promised 8.1, and now I fear I'll never see it.
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What model variant do you have? For instance just Frankenstein converting any of the eligible North America carrier variants to carrier unlocked US998 model will remove most bloatware right there -- as it doesn't have any carrier bloatware.
Sure there's still stuff like LG Health, Facebook and Instagram -- but I do use LG Health. With root you can remove or freeze (with Titanium Backup) what do not want. Root gives you real "ownership", even if you don't install custom ROMs.
Also note the difference between stock-based ROMs and AOSP/LOS based ROMs.
As part of being the Google Enterprise Recommended program, LG had to commit to giving at 90 day updates for three years. This requirement kicked in once on Oreo. Yes the updates will probably mostly be the most recent Android security update, but the last US998 (20B) included silent notification fix. If you want to see abandonment, see what happens to the G7 and V35 which don't have that guarantee. Here's all the Google Enterprise Recommended program, if you are curious. For LG, it's only the V30 and G6.
https://www.android.com/enterprise/recommended/
Stay current with updates
Android Enterprise Recommended helps ensure devices are up to date with regular security patches delivered within 90 days (for 3 years, it says elsewhere).
Android Enterprise Recommended devices are also guaranteed to get at least one additional major OS update
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We'll probably get P (Pistachio?) but it'll probably be next summer. The Google Enterprise Recommended program also calls for at least one major OS letter update. I don't think LG can count the Nougat to Oreo upgrade, because they had to be on Oreo anyway to be on the Enterprise Recommended list.
Yes, we were promised 8.1 as part of the Google business program announcement, and it was 8.0. I don't know why.
I can't see LG giving both 8.1 and P to all their V30 models by next summer, so you're probably right you won't see 8.1 on stock unrooted firmware. But ROMs, even the stock-based ones can add features or fix problems.
With LG, their Korean carrier variants get all updates first (since all models are released there first), then trickle around the rest of the world. Once the Korea carrier variants got 8.0, nobody else was getting 8.1 until the Korea variants then get 8.1 (or whatever comes next for the V30).
As Oreo rolled out around the world for the V30, some people were breathlessly waiting to see if THEY would somehow magically get 8.1. No, LG doesn't change like that. To do that, they would have to cancel the scheduled round of updates, and start all over again with the Korean carrier variants -- rolling out 8.1 to them first. India, of course is last, because the V30 series was released there last.
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AT&T? Do you have a H931? If yes, AOSP based ROMs will only bootloop on your device :/
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Yes l, I have an H931, but I've read that if I convert to US998 I can still do it.
EatMoreB8con said:
Yes l, I have an H931, but I've read that if I convert to US998 I can still do it.
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Yes, actually you HAVE to convert to US998 to do it, so you have the requisite fastboot flash commands.
If for some reason you can't install AOSP ROMs on your converted H931>US998 ( @SGCMarkus knows more about his ROMs than I do, so I defer to him), there's still stock-based custom ROMs you can install which have improvements/fixes -- like Boombox and A.I.S. @SGCMarkus even made one, but it seems it's not been updated recently as he probably spends all his waking moments keeping about half a dozen AOSP ROMs updated! He's a one-man army.
He also is responsible for our updated TWRP.
you can install aosp roms on the converted h931, but the problem is that they will bootloop for some reason.
same for the h933 if i remember correctly
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Yes, actually you HAVE to convert to US998 to do it, so you have the requisite fastboot flash commands.
If for some reason you can't install AOSP ROMs on your converted H931>US998 @SGCMarkus knows more about his ROMs than I do, so I defer to him), there's still stock-based custom ROMs you can install which have improvements/fixes -- like Boombox and A.I.S. @SGCMarkus even made one but it seems it's not been updated recently as he probably spends all his waking moments keeping a dozen ROMs updated! He's a one-man army.
He also is responsible for our updated TWRP.
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Well I'll be sure to build a shrine for him if I ever go through with this lol. Thanks for the info.
Root: yes
Custom Rom: not necessarily.
Once you properly debloat it's a different experience already.
EatMoreB8con said:
Never done anything with custom roms or rooting before, but I am getting sick an tired of the design, functionality, bloatware, and stability of the default LG rom on my LG V30. I'm also upset with LG's abandonment of the device. They've made multiple devices in order to bury the LG V30. It took months to get 8.0, and not the promised 8.1, and now I fear I'll never see it.
I've looked at DotOS, and I really like the design and features of the rom, and there's the fact that I'll actually get updates. What should I do? Should I attempt the installation of DotOS on my device, or should I stay away to avoid bricking it?
Are the few lost features worth the many new ones?
Where should I start in learning how to do this stuff safely?
I planned on using on old android device in order to "practice", but read that the firmware/software used by AT&T Samsung Galaxy S6 isn't able to be bootloader unlocked. so seems like I can't do that anymore.
Thanks
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If you havent rooted yet there's a temporary solution that i can provide which i am personally using.
Regarding the bloatware and ui etc.
1. Get the app Package disabler pro, disable all the bloatware u want.U can disable anything and everything, even the camera , messaging app, dialer etc.
2. replace all the stock apps or whichever u want, with any other custom apps like the dialer, or messaging app or the launcher etc.
3. for overcoming monotony keep changing the themes and wallpapers
I'm getting a V30 shortly and I've been poking around and I'm just curious about backports. No real reason other than I like fiddling with stuff.
Previous LG phones (G2, G3, G4) have had app backports or UI backports in custom ROMS (such as V10 camera apk, or LG UX6 in H-ROM). Has there been any changes or upgrades or anything worth backporting from the V35, V30S, or the G7 to the V30? From what I've read it doesn't seem likely as LG has started to refine and make their devices more consistent, and there doesn't really seem to be anything posted around here.
EDIT: I read somewhere else that LG isn't doing transparent/blurry widgets for their weather/smart notice any more, starting with the V30. Is that correct? Has anyone attempted to use an older apk to get it back like an LGConciergeBoard.apk from an LG G6/G5 install?
Thanks
I've been looking forward to it since there is always some bugs with the custom ROMs. If we could "transplant" the UX9 ROM for V35 to V30 （it might be the easiest way since V30 and V35 share a lot of parts) Also, we can enjoy the stock HiFi instead of those GSI HiFi modules.
None of the existing Devs has shown interest in it, so most likely won't be happening