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Hi,
I've recently been playing around with various cameras under LOS on the Axon 7.
I've been experimenting with Snap (built in LOS camera), Open Camera, A Better Camera and Footej Camera.
Simply installing the apps and using the default options yields the following order (best to worst):
A Better Camera
Open Camera & Footej Camera (tied 2nd place)
Snap camera
However, by tweaking some of the options in Snap camera, I've been able to get consistently better images than any of the other apps using their defaults.
To improve the quality of Snap make the following tweaks:
- Set Picture Quality to High
- Set ISO to Auto HJR
- Set Contrast to Level 6
- Set Sharpness to Level 3
- Set Auto Exposure to Centre Weighted
I've done side by side comparisons of the four apps and I've found that Snap leads the pack with the tweaked settings. As an aside, I used the app PhotoGrid to create the zoomed side by side images.
I'd be interested to hear back from others re: their experiences using the tweaks to improve image quality.
One final note, I also tried using the Axon 7 stock B04 camera on LOS, but it was consistently worse than any of he other four options so I removed it. There is a magisk module for B04 if you want to try this for yourself.
Regards,
jamesK
Here are some comparison images. For each image the apps are represented in the following order:
Footej Camera - A Better Camera
Open Camera - Snap Camera (with tweaks)
I have tried your settings and the results with snap camera were a bit better.
Because I ve used high resolution mode the differences where less significant.
I tried a comparison with axon 7 camera mod for LOS and it's quality is still the best in my opinion.
1. Snap @ high res settings
2. Snap @ your settings
3. Axon 7 camera mod (Tapatalk app bug uploads media to his own server.)
http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/59ae3ff140141/IMG_20170905_091049.jpg?
Hi,
Thank you for taking the time to test.
Your first image was noticeably better than the other two (you could see the marks on the thermometer).
Are you using B05, B04 or some other version of the LOS camera mod?
I tried the B04 magisk version of the mod but didn't find that it produced good results. Perhaps I should try B05.
Regards,
JamesK
I am using b04 Magisk by kingo.
Ive used the screenshot function on my device. Cropping images resulted in lower image quality.
I took a look on the numbers of the thermometer and on my devices screen I had the best images with zte cam.
One small note. The object is appx 3 meters away from me and the pictures were taken after tap focusing the object.
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I am using b04 Magisk by kingo.
Ive used the screenshot function on my device. Cropping images resulted in lower image quality.
I took a look on the numbers of the thermometer and on my devices screen I had the best images with zte cam.
One small note. The object is appx 3 meters away from me and the pictures were taken after tap focusing the object.
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Thank you for the details. The only difference with the images I attached is that I zoomed to 100‰ on the original images.
As mentioned, when I tried this with B04, the image quality was not as good as the other camera apps.
I'll reinstall it and try again. Perhaps. I overlooked something.
Thanks again for your feedback
Hi!
I am planing on buying this phone (currently have a S5 that's beginning to show it's age) and would really like to know if poco has a working (and tested) RAW photo support. This is something I actually miss the most with my S5 camera. Can someone with a GCam please check and ideally upload a low light high ISO DNG sample photo?
If anyone is wondering what's the use of RAW, with all the hassle (beware, technical details ahead, possibly even a bit of math!):
Access to the RAW sensor data is extremely powerful. When doing a night time photography you can get significantly better results by manually lowering the ISO and bumping the exposure but in truly low light that's not enough. You then take dozens of 30s exposures and add them together. The problem is that if you are working with JPEGs, it doesn't really work for extremely low signals. If there is a light source in your image that even after 30s exposure does not expose a pixel enough to bump the value from 0 to 1, with the added noise reduction it gets rounded to 0 every time, so adding zeroes gets you nowhere. On the other hand, if there is a significant noise in your sensor, that's actually in this case extremely helpful. By adding the photos that have a very low signal (below a normal detection threshold) but also a significant noise, you can remove the noise and still get the signal that has 'piggybacked' on the noise above the pixel threshold. Doing this, if you have the patience, basically makes your photos limited only by the 12MP sensor resolution and the lens quality. The quality of the sensor, it's dynamic range and noise level becomes completely irrelevant and you can basically simulate an 'ideal' sensor with arbitrarily large dynamic range and sensitivity and arbitrarily low noise. You should, for example, be able to do astrophotography and photograph objects that are too dim to be visible with a naked eye, beyond what even dSLRs can manage without these kinds of tricks.
With the very fast CPU and plentiful RAM you could even possibly automate this tedious process on the phone itself (for example by the use of CLI linux raw photo manipulation tools installed through termux or linuxdeploy) so it could be as simple as putting a phone on a tripod (or a sky tracking mount), starting a simple script and waiting for half an hour while the phone takes and processes the photos.
With access to the still linear RAW pixel data, you can even use the camera as a 'scientific' sensor in, for example, a cheap portable spectroscope. The possibilities are endless
Yes, I am well aware that I am weird
yup you can. also you can install 3rd party app and camera2 api is enabled by default no need to root and bootloader unlock for that.
Secondly camera is super awesome.
i can you lead to telegram group where people share their photoshots done on poco f1. you will get the idea
The gcam is one option for you to capture raw images but it does not support manual mode so you cannot get those long exposure raw images to talked about. What you can do is get a camera app that supports both raw images capturing and manual mode like proshot or manual camera
Very cool, thank you both! It would be great if someone could upload an actual DNG file taken with the poco and an app that also supports manual exposure. I am curious if the cli programs will recognise the format.
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Very cool, thank you both! It would be great if someone could upload an actual DNG file taken with the poco and an app that also supports manual exposure. I am curious if the cli programs will recognise the format.
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well manual mode is supported by default camera, but it doesn't have any option for RAW output.
my best pick will be open camera application.
what you recommend for both raw and manual mode
I've shot some raw photos using latest GCAM. However I don't know any apps for RAW files editing in phone. And I Didn't get time to check their quality on Photoshop. RAW files size is around 15Mb. I can send you those photos if you want to check.
That would be great if the DNG format is the same as the one the other apps (that have also manual support) produce. Can you send it to my gmail (same username)? Thanks.
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That would be great if the DNG format is the same as the one the other apps (that have also manual support) produce. Can you send it to my gmail (same username)? Thanks.
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I love astronomy and I am very interested in an app that would let us get raw format images and also have the manual mode. Did anyone know any app that can let us do that?
Thanks in advance
Manual camera app supports both RAW and manual controls. I haven't yet found an app that also supports intervalometer.
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Manual camera app supports both RAW and manual controls. I haven't yet found an app that also supports intervalometer.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flavionet.android.camera.pro
Gcam with manual controls does exist you know. Just get gcam with mods or from sannnity. These have manual control which can control ISO from 100 to 6400, shutter time from 1s to 32s (nothing shorter than 1s) and manual focus control. They can save it in raw.
FreeDCam also supports both manual controls and RAW.
To edit RAW images on the phone, use google snapseed app.
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Gcam with manual controls does exist you know. Just get gcam with mods or from sannnity. These have manual control which can control ISO from 100 to 6400, shutter time from 1s to 32s (nothing shorter than 1s) and manual focus control. They can save it in raw.
FreeDCam also supports both manual controls and RAW.
To edit RAW images on the phone, use google snapseed app.
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Can you please tell me how to add Sannity mods in gcam?
just create a folder named gcam in this another named configs
in the configs folder place all the gcam configs xml files
to apply these double tap the black space near the shutter white button to load the configs
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Can you please tell me how to add Sannity mods in gcam?
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Go in the mods section of Poco f1 on xda and you'll find a thread started by sannity. Download his gcam.
UPDATE: I haven't really followed this thread since I don't have an S10 anymore, however, just a heads up telephoto now works with the Snapdragon S10/Note 10 series and Gcam! Gcam can be downloaded in my S20 thread here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/gcam-working-with-s20-ultra-telephoto.4200277/
Now with Wide Angle and Telephoto Camera Support!
All credits go to Arnova8G2, CStark, Fizwiz, Xenius9, Urnyx05
Benefits:
Gcam offers less aggressive noise reduction and oversharpening. Under daylight things might not look too different but it's a lot better for low light, especially for finer details like carpets, hair, fabric texture. I've attached some comparison shots. The file names will indicate which camera was used for the pictures.
Regarding 6.1 vs 6.2 vs 7.0 vs 7.2:
6.1 could be more stable and allows you to save profiles that you can swap between (for instance if you have a setting for indoor and outdoor). However 6.2 is faster, possibly better processing algorithms. 7.0 is faster still and even better algorithms. 7.0+ also ads astrophotography option which is night sight but even better! 7.2 works on Android 10 only and should improve upon 7.0.
GCAM 6.1.0.021 Base
Download Arnova's Advanced 1.7 here: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-arnova8G2/
then download the XML config attached to this post.
Instructions for applying the XML file can be found here: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/settings09/
What works:
- Aperture switching for main camera (settings > Samsung CameraAPI2 > toggle "Switch to 2.4f aperture)
- Motion photo (have to use google photos as gallery and only limited to 1080p resolution)
- Night Sight
- Portrait mode
- Wide angle camera (hold the toggle camera button to switch between wide and regular rear cameras, press to switch between rear camera and front camera)
GCAM 6.2.030 Base
Download Arnova's Advanced 2.2 here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/devdb/project/dl/?id=31714
Go to Settings > About > Enable Advanced Features
Settings > Enable AUX
Settings > HDR+ Control > Image Format > YUV_420_888
Quality HDR+ > Super High
Custom Libs > Eszdman v3 Beta
What works:
- Aperture switching for main camera (aperture icon at the bottom right)
- Motion photo
- Night Sight
- Portrait mode
- Wide angle camera (toggle button at the bottom left)
GCAM 7.0.009 Base
Download Xenius9's GCam_4.0.191101.0729build-7.0.009_x9_s9s_mod_0.43.apk here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12qfHQ-oq4vrHCWFkNaP6lNHMoDB31SNy
To enable astrophotography, go to settings, developer settings and make sure nightsight.extended_tripod and nightsight.extended_iterable_burst is enabled.
What works:
- Aperture switching for main camera (aperture icon at the bottom right)
- Motion photo
- Night Sight (with Astrophotography)
- Portrait mode
GCAM 7.2.010 Base for Android 10
Download Urynx05's gcam mod here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=81499445&postcount=1197
then download the XML config here: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/p/f/2020/01/s10_snap.xml
Instructions for applying the XML file can be found here: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/settings09/
What works:
- Aperture switching for main camera (aperture icon at the bottom right)
- Motion photo
- Night Sight (Astrophotography can be enabled but max shutter is only like 2 seconds, not enough for stars)
- Portrait mode
- Wide Angle Camera
More development info can be found in the original app page.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/google-camera-mods/app-arnovas-google-camera-port-t3862448
Thanks for this however how do I know if the XML file you posted is the one that's actually being used
I have downloaded this but nightsight doent work but the base camera does. Some of the other features crash the app. Im using s10+ snap.
Ratzinc said:
Thanks for this however how do I know if the XML file you posted is the one that's actually being used
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Rataba said:
I have downloaded this but nightsight doent work but the base camera does. Some of the other features crash the app. Im using s10+ snap.
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Did you guys apply the XML file after copying it to where it needs to go? Detailed instructions here: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/settings09/
Followed the instructions and it seems to be working fine so far on my S10, although I haven't done extensive testing.
How do you switch between apertures? It doesn't seem obvious to me.
Any reason this wouldn't also work on a Snapdragon S10+? Thinking about giving it a try now...
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Installed and verified basic functionality on my S10+. Took a couple of night sight pictures and they turned out good. Will do some more testing. Thanks for the information.
Update: I'm seeing issues when switching between different modes. For example, the picture freezes whenever I go into portrait mode. Other modes work sometimes, but display a black screen other times. The app doesn't freeze or crash, and if I switch to another mode then switch back, sometimes that resolves it.
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Followed the instructions and it seems to be working fine so far on my S10, although I haven't done extensive testing.
How do you switch between apertures? It doesn't seem obvious to me.
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It's in Settings under Samsung CameraAPI2.
mrsmithb said:
Any reason this wouldn't also work on a Snapdragon S10+? Thinking about giving it a try now...
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Installed and verified basic functionality on my S10+. Took a couple of night sight pictures and they turned out good. Will do some more testing. Thanks for the information.
Update: I'm seeing issues when switching between different modes. For example, the picture freezes whenever I go into portrait mode. Other modes work sometimes, but display a black screen other times. The app doesn't freeze or crash, and if I switch to another mode then switch back, sometimes that resolves it.
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To fix portrait mode freezing, go to Settings (top section, mod settings) -> Advanced -> FIX -> Viewfinder Format. Then select YUV-420_888 (default).
Very good. The viewfinder fix seems to have worked for portrait mode, and helped with all other modes as well.
Any other settings changes you would recommend making to optimize performance?
Which photo is from the stock cam vs gcam?
I took a few pics just now outside with default camera and then with Google night sight. Google cam pics definitely a little brighter, and much clearer, with more detail than the default cam. Quite pleased.
Got it to work thank you. Had to restart my phone, now everything works.
Snapdragon?
Yes i have the s10+ with snap
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I took a few pics just now outside with default camera and then with Google night sight. Google cam pics definitely a little brighter, and much clearer, with more detail than the default cam. Quite pleased.
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Night sight is phenomenal. To the point where I use it almost exclusively even in daylight on my Pixel 3. Can;t wait for S10 with gcam port.
How is the shutter delay using the gcam port on the S10? On LGs where I have used gcam, the ZSL would not work and that was the only downside.
When i took picture with night sight.my phone restart it sekf.
I envy you guys. I have got the exynos version and stock cam quality is ****. Miss my pixel 3.
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Night sight is phenomenal. To the point where I use it almost exclusively even in daylight on my Pixel 3. Can;t wait for S10 with gcam port.
How is the shutter delay using the gcam port on the S10? On LGs where I have used gcam, the ZSL would not work and that was the only downside.
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I will check the shutter delay today when I have time. I've only used it for night shots as of now since that was the primary advantage it has over the samsung cam software. I know as of right now, this version doesn't support the wide angle lens, which means it's necessary to keep both sets of software. HOwever, I read in another thread (here or on reddit) that there is now a gcam version that works with JUST the wide angle lens. So hopefully they can combine these and give us a fully working port in the near future.
thanks i will try soon.
On the snap my stock cam sucks also. This google cam and open camera destroy it
Hopefully.
Tested on: RR ROM (not GSI) from https://build.lolios.ml/sirius/
GCam version: Arnova's Advanced 1.5 Download
Config xml file: see attachments Alternative Download
Disclaimer
If you're not using my same setup I can't guarantee the same results, though I think this should apply, for the most part, no matter the ROM you're using. If you're using a GSI I think it should work the same as long as you have flashed the gcam fix zip (or Magisk module).
Introduction
I chose Arnova's mod because it's the most customizable out there. To get it working straight out of the box:
Install GCam
Create directory /sdcard/GCam/Configs if it doesn't exist
Move xml config file to the directory
Long press on the GCam icon and select "Take a video"
Double-tap on empty space below shutter
Choose the xml file from the menu and click restore
Step 4 is necessary because trying to lauch with the defaults options results in a crash, but not in video mode. We're using this as workaround to import the settings in order to fix the crash and configure the camera.
I'll now describe every setting that I chose to edit so that you can understand why I set it up the way it is. Most of these settings are based on personal preference so feel free to experiment for yourself.
Settings
Mod settings - Advanced - FIX - RAW10 in front
Enabled.
Fixes the camera crash on app launch.
Mod settings - Advanced - FIX - Buffer Fix
Enabled.
Fixes viewfinder lag. Doesn't fix it for Night Sight. Also, I remember this wasn't needed when using GSI + gcam fix zip so if you're using a GSI maybe try disabling this and see how it goes.
Autoexposure correction
1/10 sec.
This setting is very important. It controls the balance between noise and blurriness / time it takes to shoot a frame.
Basically, here's what this does. When you take a picture there are a few factors that influence how bright the picture will be. These factors are width of the objective, time the camera spends taking the picture (also known as shutter speed) and the sensor sensitivity (also known as ISO). Unlike regular cameras, the width of the objective is fixed (I believe) so on our phone we're limited to ISO and shutter speed. The longer the shutter speed, the more time the sensor is exposed to light, the brighter the picture. If you're not steady though, longer shutter speeds will result in blurry photos. Increasing ISO, on the other hand, will allow you to keep shutter speed low and have sharp images, but will significantly increase the amount of noise in the picture.
What this setting does is set a limit to how high the shutter speed can get before it will resort to increasing ISO if it needs to. The default settings of Off gave pretty bad results for me - picking 1/50 and 2000+ ISO where 1/10 and 300 ISO did perfectly fine - though feel free to experiment for yourself. Keep in mind the actual time to take the pic will be at most this setting times the HDR+ parameters setting. So if you have the default setting of 9 for HDR+ and 1/10 like I do it will take at most 0.9s to take a picture.
Correction NightSight
1 sec.
Same as Autoexposure Correction but for Night Sight mode. I set this to a very long time but it's totally personal preference so feel free to tweak this. As you may have guessed, I really dislike noisy pictures...
Pixel 3 AWB
Enabled.
See the GCam ports site relative FAQ.
I found it produces warmer colors. It also seems to only work if you use Pixel 3 or Pixel 3XL as models. Feel free to change.
Mod settings - Advanced - Base - Model
Pixel 3 for both cameras.
Tested other models and didn't find any difference except Pixel 3 AWB stopped working except for Pixel 3XL.
Mod settings - Advanced - Noise reduction
Everything disabled.
Trying enabling them but they didn't really seem to work so I left them off.
Mod settings - Advanced - FIX - Using Sabre
Auto.
Sabre FAQ. I left Auto because I have no clue what that's supposed to mean. Tried both On and Off and they worked but I couldn't spot a difference. It supposedly makes pictures better though, so set to On if you'd like.
Mod settings - Advanced - Libs
Stock by Google.
I just left the default because I tried the other ones and found no difference. Try them for yourself if you feel like it.
Mod settings - Advanced - Enable Auto exposure
Disabled.
This is weird one, most of the times it crashed the app right after shooting (didn't store the pics), other times it worked but I saw no difference. Don't think we're missing out on anything.
Photo - Advanced - "Motion" function
Disabled.
Enabling crashes the app, it might work with different models settings / configs (in Mod settings - Advanced - Base) but I didn't bother because I don't really care for it. If you somehow get it to work, please report back. Thanks!
Photo - Advanced - Optical Stabilization (OIS)
Disabled.
MI 8 SE doesn't have OIS. Not much to say.
Video - Advanced - Init SlowMo with
120 FPS.
Setting this to 120 FPS instead of the default 240 FPS allows to use both 1/4 and 1/8 speed for slow motion.
By the way, I believe that while most of this guide should also apply to GSIs, iirc slow-mo is broken on GSI and there's not much you can do about it. Sorry.
I hope to have cleared up the confusion about GCam, I surely was very confused when I first started looking into it and was quite overblown with all the settings.
Let me know if you know about anything that could be added to the guide.
Thank you!
I can't do the "Long press on the GCam icon and select "Take a video" in MIUI
CoizSola said:
I can't do the "Long press on the GCam icon and select "Take a video" in MIUI
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True, it's a limitation of the default MIUI launcher. You can install a third party launcher temporarily and use that. To my knowledge there's no other way around it, unfortunately.
Thanks for this thread. There is something wrong about xml file. I am not able to download it via three different browsers. Could you please upload it anywhere else?
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Thanks for this thread. There is something wrong about xml file. I am not able to download it via three different browsers. Could you please upload it anywhere else?
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Updated the OP, thanks for letting me know.
pixel launcher
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True, it's a limitation of the default MIUI launcher. You can install a third party launcher temporarily and use that. To my knowledge there's no other way around it, unfortunately.
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you can install pixel launcher its works
OMG :victory: This is best GCam i've ever used.
Photo quality(lowest noise) and colors are really changed. Thanks for your hard work
TacoNikky said:
OMG :victory: This is best GCam i've ever used.
Photo quality(lowest noise) and colors are really changed. Thanks for your hard work
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Glad to hear that! The reduced noise is just the result of the shutter speed setting, I'm still very doubtful about setting 1/10 as limit, sometimes I feel like it's way too long... Especially because it seems like once you've set it it becomes super aggressive in picking it instead of a more sensible combination like 300 ISO - 1/50 shutter speed.
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Glad to hear that! The reduced noise is just the result of the shutter speed setting, I'm still very doubtful about setting 1/10 as limit, sometimes I feel like it's way too long... Especially because it seems like once you've set it it becomes super aggressive in picking it instead of a more sensible combination like 300 ISO - 1/50 shutter speed.
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Better quality photos are more important than waiting(shutter speed) in my opinion. Colors are sharp and contrast is higher than standart gcam. These settings give really good results. Sharp and clean photos :good:
The app crashes every time I take photos with hdr+ off. And in BSG v2e the shutter speed of hdr+ is so much faster than hdr+ enhanced which is useful if I want to take photos in crowded places
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The app crashes every time I take photos with hdr+ off. And in BSG v2e the shutter speed of hdr+ is so much faster than hdr+ enhanced which is useful if I want to take photos in crowded places
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True, thanks for the report. I'll try and see if I can find a workaround. Shutter speed gets faster if you set Autoexposure correction to off, but ISO gets a lot higher as a result and produces very noisy pics.
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True, thanks for the report. I'll try and see if I can find a workaround. Shutter speed gets faster if you set Autoexposure correction to off, but ISO gets a lot higher as a result and produces very noisy pics.
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And also, I hope we can use the 20MP front camera. The 5MP limit looks pretty bad.
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And also, I hope we can use the 20MP front camera. The 5MP limit looks pretty bad.
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That looks like it's a ROM issue since even the stock camera app shoots at 5MP
Thanks friend it's working but there's a lag in night sight's viewfinder.. Can u tell me how to fix it? I've tried a lot of gcam version but nothing works.. I'm using miui 10.3.1.0
Merackball said:
Thanks friend it's working but there's a lag in night sight's viewfinder.. Can u tell me how to fix it? I've tried a lot of gcam version but nothing works.. I'm using miui 10.3.1.0
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Yeah, as far as I know it's not fixable... it only worked after flashing the GCam fix zip but that seems to be causing issues in MIUI so I don't know.
Thx for share ur experience, but i hv issue slow capture for front camera, how fix it ?
Hi guys try bsg's gcam mi9se v0d, it's working for mi8se..
its work flawlesly on official dot-extended 3.3
need to un-check buffer fix
everything work except photobooth
thank you. i now.have.a working gcam
I installed this but nighs mode lags a lot, what can I do?
Adobe Photoshop Camera (PsC) is FREE but only supports for a few Android Cameras via the Play store. However, if you download the apk (search Google) and sideload it into the V40, it does work well. Adobe promotes PsC primarily as a super-filter (lens) app w/o noting that it has a great post image optimizing capability. That ability almost matches GCam image improvements. Here are the Pros & Cons
Pros:
The camera has very fast shutter response.
The post image optimization tool is excellent, even for HDR. (no need to use filters)
Access to other images taken by other camera apps on your phone or in Google Photos
A very interesting suite of lens (filters) that you can post process your images.
Cons:
Only support the main back lens & the main front lens on the V40
Defaults to front lens by default so the startup is slow
Workflow emphasizes post-processing, images are not immediately seen in gallery until saved
I keep it primarily as an automatic image processing tool. For my usage, it is a valuable app to add on my V40.
May be for normal photo effect PS camera works nice, but is it work like real one?