Since the battery on my newly acquired Razr Maxx can't be removed and replaced, how long will this phone last me? Charge cycles?
Is it OK to drain the battery all the way down (charge every other day) or will that shorten battery life?
DontCome2MyHouse said:
Since the battery on my newly acquired Razr Maxx can't be removed and replaced, how long will this phone last me? Charge cycles?
Is it OK to drain the battery all the way down (charge every other day) or will that shorten battery life?
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No Official number but in general batteries typically are spec'd to last 300 cycles before there charge is 50% capacity of what it was new, So I always make it a thing to go aslong as I can hold out between charges, just don't try powering it on if it shuts itself off from low battery, that is a fast way to kill a battery, also there are tutorials on how to crack open the case and replace the battery if you end up needing to, but by that point you will probably have moved on to some quad core phone that will be all the rage in 2 years.
With li-on batteries, its best for the battery if you charge around the 40-30% mark. There is a chart out there somewhere, but I don't have it handy. You also don't have to worry about a memory any more
Yes... Only Ni-Cd and Ni-MH batteries have memory problem and Li+ doesn't have those issues...
Top-up the battery whenever possible + need arises... This also reduces battery getting hot, comparing charging from say 10% to 100% at a single stretch... This is useful as Razr/MAXX has non-removable battery....
PLEASE DON'T LET YOUR BATTERY TO GET DRY OR 0% LEVEL and PLEASE DON'T CONNECT TO MAINS FOR LONGER TIME after battery becomes 100% charged... Only these two must be avoided...
Hi, I was asking myself if it was possible to copy batterystats.bin from a calibrated x10i to have our own x10i calibrated.
I explain : I see that file like a file with values that have the percentage of the battery with the duration and stuff like that, so copying it to have the right values.
Can work or not ? influenced by kernel or rom ? What do you think ?
Li-Ion batteries just need a good charge for approx 8-12hrs when new and first installed and having this process repeated for at least 4-5 charges.
The phone doesn't allow the battery to over change and cuts out and then starts changing again once the charge drops to a chargeable threshold.
This allows the battery to achieve it's maximum charge.
Li-Ion batteries should never be drained or allowed to run flat and should be charged regularly.
If you completely discharge a lithium-ion battery, it is ruined.
Li-Ion battery life is between 2-3 years.
I would let the battery sort itself out as all the battery status is based on the battery itself.
If the battery is old and on it's last legs, it'll have less charge than a newer battery.
P.S. If you plan to keep and use the XPERIA X10i for some time, it's well worth buying a Mugen Power 1800mAh battery.
Dr Goodvibes said:
Li-Ion batteries just need a good charge for approx 8-12hrs when new and first installed and having this process repeated for at least 4-5 charges.
The phone doesn't allow the battery to over change and cuts out and then starts changing again once the charge drops to a chargeable threshold.
This allows the battery to achieve it's maximum charge.
Li-Ion batteries should never be drained or allowed to run flat and should be charged regularly.
If you completely discharge a lithium-ion battery, it is ruined.
Li-Ion battery life is between 2-3 years.
I would let the battery sort itself out as all the battery status is based on the battery itself.
If the battery is old and on it's last legs, it'll have less charge than a newer battery.
P.S. If you plan to keep and use the XPERIA X10i for some time, it's well worth buying a Mugen Power 1800mAh battery.
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how does that answer to my question ? Do they sell new x10i ? meh
I have just bought a new, unused Moto E2 in the sealed, unopened package from a reputable store, in person (not online).
The battery was fully discharged, to 0%, probably from a very long storage on shelf. I think more than one year.
So the phone did not even start until I charged the battery for a few minutes.
Now the battery is charging showing 5%. I assume I will be able to charge the battery to 100%
Should I expect that the battery is irreversibly reduced in capacity from being discharged so deeply and for so long time?
If so, I could still return it to the store
Is there a good Android app to test (via full discharge cycle) and evaluate the factual battery capacity?
Hey, just wanted to let you guys(and gals) know that this app works perfectly on our axons: Battery Charge Limit.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002
It does exactly as the name suggests, stops the battery from charging beyond a certain percentage, thus for example if you set a limit of 80%, your battery will preserve its health for around 1500 cycles instead of 500 cycles of charging to 100% before degrading by ~20% of its total capacity.
Enjoy the app guys, tested on B19, stock kernel, rooted.
So the way to have 1500 cycles is to only use 70% of battery at best. Because going under 10% is not exactly good for the battery either. I don't want to have an even worse battery life, so I think I'll pass, thanks though!
Nik2424 said:
Hey, just wanted to let you guys(and gals) know that this app works perfectly on our axons: Battery Charge Limit.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002
It does exactly as the name suggests, stops the battery from charging beyond a certain percentage, thus for example if you set a limit of 80%, your battery will preserve its health for around 1500 cycles instead of 500 cycles of charging to 100% before degrading by ~20% of its total capacity.
Enjoy the app guys, tested on B19, stock kernel, rooted.
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Don't go under 90ish as you will stop charging whilst quick charging and will damage the battery even more than if you didn't use the mod so just be carefull
Nik2424 said:
Hey, just wanted to let you guys(and gals) know that this app works perfectly on our axons: Battery Charge Limit.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002
It does exactly as the name suggests, stops the battery from charging beyond a certain percentage, thus for example if you set a limit of 80%, your battery will preserve its health for around 1500 cycles instead of 500 cycles of charging to 100% before degrading by ~20% of its total capacity.
Enjoy the app guys, tested on B19, stock kernel, rooted.
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Dont let them fool you, you dont need this app. The charging controller of your phone actually already has its safety margin built in. Same on the low end. This means you can not charge your phone to its physical maximum anyway, it will show 100% whipe the physical charge in fact is ~95% and will shutdown showing 0% while physically there is still about 10% of power left. So your battery is safe from this kind of damage anyway.
If you want to extend your batterys lifetime for real, try to charge it as often as you can, keep the charge as high as possible. Flat charging is the magic word. This is what your charging controller does when your phone is connected to ps for longer when it shows 100%, it in fact lets it deplate 2% without showing and then charges it back, thats called trickle charging and is the best treatment practice for our bateries.
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FadeFx said:
Dont let them fool you, you dont need this app. The charging controller of your phone actually already has its safety margin built in. Same on the low end. This means you can not charge your phone to its physical maximum anyway, it will show 100% whipe the physical charge in fact is ~95% and will shutdown showing 0% while physically there is still about 10% of power left. So your battery is safe from this kind of damage anyway.
If you want to extend your batterys lifetime for real, try to charge it as often as you can, keep the charge as high as possible. Flat charging is the magic word. This is what your charging controller does when your phone is connected to ps for longer when it shows 100%, it in fact lets it deplate 2% without showing and then charges it back, thats called trickle charging and is the best treatment practice for our bateries.
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Samdung pretty much confirmed they do this (or better) in the S8 and later (and possibly the S7). But has any other company confirmed they have battery longevity tactics built in?
Personally I use AccuBattery since I've had it for a long time as a charge alarm/monitoring tool. I use a 1 amp charger instead of the 3 amp charger that comes with it and charge my phone at low amps and voltage which prevents the battery from heating up. So low charge, low heat. I don't want a degraded battery in a year because I don't know when I'm replacing this thing.
Cyrus D. said:
Samdung pretty much confirmed they do this (or better) in the S8 and later (and possibly the S7). But has any other company confirmed they have battery longevity tactics built in?
Personally I use AccuBattery since I've had it for a long time as a charge alarm/monitoring tool. I use a 1 amp charger instead of the 3 amp charger that comes with it and charge my phone at low amps and voltage which prevents the battery from heating up. So low charge, low heat. I don't want a degraded battery in a year because I don't know when I'm replacing this thing.
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What's you battery health percentage/capacity now? and for how long did u have your phone? Do you charge from 0-100 daily?
Nik2424 said:
What's you battery health percentage/capacity now? and for how long did u have your phone? Do you charge from 0-100 daily?
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AccuBattery is no good for giving an accurate estimate of the actual capacity when you're charging at low %s. For first 50% it'll calculate something like 3500mAH+, for the last 50% it'll estimate 2000 or lower. If I had to give you a rough estimate of what I actually think it's at, it's roughly 2900-3000mAH. When I first got it, I estimate it was around 3100-3200 a year ago. I HATE that phones no longer have replaceable batteries. That's half the reason I wanted an LG V20, I could just murder the battery and just pop in a new one every year. Sadly the V30 is sealed, following the BS trend of planned obsolescence. Thanks Apple.
Oh and I almost forgot, I typically charge my phone from 20% to 50% after it drops 30%. Then sometimes once more if I use it some more. On average I charge about 50% worth a day without going over 50%. Even with such light battery usage, keeping the battery 30C or lower 99% of time, and keeping the voltage below 4.1 again 99%, it's still degraded at least roughly 200mAH in a year. Rarely when I know I'll need longer battery life I charge it to 80%. It's a cheap quality battery. ZTE cut corners. This was my first, and unless I have no other reasonable options, it'll likely be my last ZTE phone.
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AccuBattery is no good for giving an accurate estimate of the actual capacity when you're charging at low %s. For first 50% it'll calculate something like 3500mAH+, for the last 50% it'll estimate 2000 or lower. If I had to give you a rough estimate of what I actually think it's at, it's roughly 2900-3000mAH. When I first got it, I estimate it was around 3100-3200 a year ago. I HATE that phones no longer have replaceable batteries. That's half the reason I wanted an LG V20, I could just murder the battery and just pop in a new one every year. Sadly the V30 is sealed, following the BS trend of planned obsolescence. Thanks Apple.
Oh and I almost forgot, I typically charge my phone from 20% to 50% after it drops 30%. Then sometimes once more if I use it some more. On average I charge about 50% worth a day without going over 50%. Even with such light battery usage, keeping the battery 30C or lower 99% of time, and keeping the voltage below 4.1 again 99%, it's still degraded at least roughly 200mAH in a year. Rarely when I know I'll need longer battery life I charge it to 80%. It's a cheap quality battery. ZTE cut corners. This was my first, and unless I have no other reasonable options, it'll likely be my last ZTE phone.
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can you TL;DR this for me?
-So i better keep charge between 20% and 80% yes?
my old sony phone form 2011 still works nicely, as it had Quality battery (over 2000 cycles already) yeah does not last long 2/3 but still. useable.
And i agree, replaceable batteries is must have function, My old S3 and S4 worked for "ever" because of that, every year new battery and another year of usage! (s3 still going strong since 2012 !!! )
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AccuBattery is no good for giving an accurate estimate of the actual capacity when you're charging at low %s. For first 50% it'll calculate something like 3500mAH+, for the last 50% it'll estimate 2000 or lower. If I had to give you a rough estimate of what I actually think it's at, it's roughly 2900-3000mAH. When I first got it, I estimate it was around 3100-3200 a year ago. I HATE that phones no longer have replaceable batteries. That's half the reason I wanted an LG V20, I could just murder the battery and just pop in a new one every year. Sadly the V30 is sealed, following the BS trend of planned obsolescence. Thanks Apple.
Oh and I almost forgot, I typically charge my phone from 20% to 50% after it drops 30%. Then sometimes once more if I use it some more. On average I charge about 50% worth a day without going over 50%. Even with such light battery usage, keeping the battery 30C or lower 99% of time, and keeping the voltage below 4.1 again 99%, it's still degraded at least roughly 200mAH in a year. Rarely when I know I'll need longer battery life I charge it to 80%. It's a cheap quality battery. ZTE cut corners. This was my first, and unless I have no other reasonable options, it'll likely be my last ZTE phone.
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Apple has been using enclosed batteries for like 10 years or so.
You can do better than the app by setting a lower maximum voltage on the Axon 7 instead. I posted about the discovery awhile back on that thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74746734&postcount=1353
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Pruikki said:
can you TL;DR this for me?
-So i better keep charge between 20% and 80% yes?
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Essentially, yes, that's what I keep hearing whenever I dig for information. If any of the stats of AccuBattery are accurate at all then it also supports that going over 80% causes multiple times the degradation that charging up to just 80% would. These days I try not to go over 70% based on app estimates of degradation. These days I need more than the 50% I was previously charging to.
Hello, my Xiamoi Mi 9 is arriving end of next week and I am pretty hyped!
I am really not sure, if I do need these mentioned charging techniques. Apparently you can charge your phone from zero to 100 below one hour. Is it good to charge a phone very often and that fast? Doesn't it heavily influence the battery life? Shouldn't you just use a slow charger and charge it only up to 90%?
hallohallo222 said:
Hello, my Xiamoi Mi 9 is arriving end of next week and I am pretty hyped!
I am really not sure, if I do need these mentioned charging techniques. Apparently you can charge your phone from zero to 100 below one hour. Is it good to charge a phone very often and that fast? Doesn't it heavily influence the battery life? Shouldn't you just use a slow charger and charge it only up to 90%?
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Well I don't think the charger influences battery lifespan, it's how you use the device that does
Most phone batteries are lithium ion batteries and honestly chargers (except fake ones) will not harm your battery regardless of charging speed, phones are built to handle them
If you continuously fast charge your battery, it will lower the lifespan of the battery over time. Unless you're planning to keep this phone for more than 4 years, it's not really that big of an issue. But charging speed does affect battery life.
What affects battery life is letting it go to 0% on Lithium. Just make sure you start recharging it around 10%-20% and you will make the battery last for a very long time.