Hi, I've had Moto phones like the Razr-i, G4 Play, and G7 Play but am growing unhappy with their limited security updates. I worry more about being up to date with security patches as there is always more news about exploits. I'm not familiar with OnePlus. Are they consistent about security updates? I see a claim of more years of support, but wonder how it works in practice for the budget models. In my experience, Moto has been pretty lackluster in pushing updates even before the 2 year window expires.
Has anybody here also used budget Moto phones and already switched to the N200 5G? How much difference would I find using this phone?
As my username says, I am a light user of Android. I mostly use it to glance at the Google Calendar, Slack notifications, and calls and SMS. I use desktop and laptop computers for most of my regular email, web browsing, etc. But, I've noticed that it is hard to read web pages on a 720 pixel wide screen because it is fuzzy if you scale so that the whole page fits. I also see it stutter, and assume this is because my current phone only has 2GB RAM.
I disable the Google assistant and actually want a phone to be more like an idle pocket computer, not a busy bee trying to be clever and annoying me with suggestions, integrations, etc. I have been able to configure the Moto launcher to be boring like that. Can that be done with the N200 or would I need to install Nova launcher or something?
I use Mint, a T-Mobile MVNO and care about stability for calls with both VoLTE and WiFi Calling. I don't really care about 5G speeds vs LTE but would hope it makes the cell connectivity more stable rather than less?
Thanks for any feedback or real world review!
You'd rather get a pixel 4a for that kind of usage and concerns about security patches, not a oneplus.
Huh... you don't think the N200 will get regular updates? Or are you saying OnePllus doesn't provide good security even if it is up to date? Do you think OnePlus is less secure than Moto or the same?
I feel like the pixels are in a different price bracket.
I'm just gonna point out that OnePlus is a Chinese company, and uses an Android OS variant made in China.
Chinese companies are not exactly known for keeping other countries (or their own) personal data secure (quite the opposite).
Take that how you will.
Hmm, do people think OnePlus is any less secure than Moto? Moto is also a Chinese company (part of Lenovo).
I find this hard to sort out.... those factories have to be trusted to put together the hardware and image the firmware. Even the pixel phones are made there, aren't they? If you go down this path questioning it, why assume that any software update afterwards can secure it, if the origin is murky? :-/
Edit: I've wondered the same thing about used phones and how permanently someone can tamper with it. That's one reason I am buying new budget phones and wondering about the N200 versus the Motos!
I don't mean to take this away to off-topic land. Can anybody report what security patch level they have received with a retail (unlocked) US N200 5G?
And if anybody is using one with T-Mobile or Mint, do you find it to be getting stable network connectivity and calls?
yes, stables calls and connectivity in Los Angeles area with Tmobile. As of the time of this writing its on July Security Patch. If you are worried aobut exploits and want the latest patches it best to just go with a official google supported phone the like Pixel series or a Iphone as they keep up to date with security patches on their latest devices.
In my experiance if you just want it for calls and text and the like you should be ok. I just came off a pixel 3a for this phone and before that I did the samsung s thing and before that the motorola cliq series. Am I totally thrilled with the phone? No, it's a budget phone that runs better than any other budget phone I have seen, however, it is still a budget phone My hope is that as soon as we can get root that the phone will rock due to it actually having decent hardware. So it's more of an expectation thing. Sounds like it will be fine for your use case, Good readability screen and enough horsepower for what your doing.
Hey lightuser, which company are you conducting this "questionnaire" for?
If I may?
Motorola?
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Huh... you don't think the N200 will get regular updates? Or are you saying OnePllus doesn't provide good security even if it is up to date? Do you think OnePlus is less secure than Moto or the same?
I feel like the pixels are in a different price bracket.
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Im saying you want cheap and android and stable security patches? Go with the mother of it all, pixel (not the high-end ones of course).
I got the n200 because of "free" from tmo, it's not what im used to thought. This phone is weak and slow and 5G/wifi speeds suck.
If those basic functions are sooo weak and you oneplus officially said: 1 major upgrade of the OS, you just know this little weak guy doesn't have a long life in the security updates either
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I don't mean to take this away to off-topic land. Can anybody report what security patch level they have received with a retail (unlocked) US N200 5G?
And if anybody is using one with T-Mobile or Mint, do you find it to be getting stable network connectivity and calls?
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I've got the unlocked variant from the OnePlus store. I got an update on August 4th with the July 2021 security patch, so that's what I have now. Before that, I had the 2021-04-01 update.
I'm going to join in and *not* recommend OnePlus for light android users. They don't have a great long-term update policy - see articles like https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/...e-commitment-is-uninspiring-yet-unsurprising/. They also anecdotally don't have a great support team, and don't deal with factory-broken hardware well (for example, the microphone issues with the OnePlus One which left many users without a very inconsistent microphone when making calls on phone speakers or speakerphone).
The reason the community likes OnePlus is not their updates, though. It's the custom ROM community: every OnePlus phone has its ROM released, and has an unlockable bootloader.
What this means is *if you're willing to install a custom ROM*, you're almost guaranteed the community - XDA forums and the like - will provide updates above and beyond the product's lifetime. With this, for example, the OnePlus One, released in 2014, still has new community-based updates today! See threads like https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...1-july-10th-lineageos-17-1-june-11th.3693223/.
This also means you get a guaranteed ability to root the phone, and thus can change and optimize the OS for your usage.
To be clear, if you're willing to use comumunity-produced ROMs, and understand the benefits and drawbocks of that, OnePlus phones are great. Lots of people will be drawn to them, similar to google phones, and you'll get software for into the future at the cost of having to rely on builds provided by strangers on the internet.
If you aren't, or have never installed a custom ROM and would rather not, don't get OnePlus. The three things they've had going for the are: custom ROMs, hardware that's specced above what you'd expect at the price point, and marketing. Software is not their strong suite.
I really like the Nord N200's hardware design, it's great bang-for-buck, and it seems quite sturdy. But people have *already* reported microphone issues when using cases which with OnePlus's track record will probably never be fixed unless you apply the fix yourself as part of a custom ROM, and you won't be happy 2 or 3 years down the road when your options are to run an outdated OS or rely on strangers online to provide custom OS builds with no guaranteed support or bugfixes, and which automatically void your warranty when installed.
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Im saying you want cheap and android and stable security patches? Go with the mother of it all, pixel (not the high-end ones of course).
I got the n200 because of "free" from tmo, it's not what im used to thought. This phone is weak and slow and 5G/wifi speeds suck.
If those basic functions are sooo weak and you oneplus officially said: 1 major upgrade of the OS, you just know this little weak guy doesn't have a long life in the security updates either
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the ATLEAST "one major update" will probably be a jump to the next major android version, however the " regular maintenance updates" will be the regular security patches that they most likely roll out in a timely fashion as they are known to do usually. It sounds like it will be s supported just like any other oneplus phone in my opinion. The hardware is decent for the price and considering its free from tmobile (cant beat that), its actually runs everything fine including all the games ive played just fine (Call of Duty , CLASH OF CLANS), the only super major weak disaappointment is the camera, considering Xiaomi can make sub $250 budget phones with a impressive budget camera, it puts the N200 camera to shame. I dont know your 5G test environment but in Los Angeles where i am, if i lock onto the same 5G bands as my friends Iphone 12,, i actually get better 5G speeds than my friend who has a Iphone 12 Max. WiFi speeds seem normal to me, but then again i am only 10-15 feet away from the router most of the times.
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Hey lightuser, which company are you conducting this "questionnaire" for?
If I may?
Motorola?
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Sorry, I'm just a user looking at my G7 Play which says "your software is up to date" and a February patch level, and finding only disappointment when I look at the available replacements and consider how soon I'll see this again...
Thanks all! I guess I am hearing the message that I need to either adjust my belief about what "budget" means (to consider Pixels etc) or accept that security is not included at the budget level...
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It's about time I upgraded my G3 and naturally I'm looking at the newer G5 but I've read a lot of mixed reviews. If you had the chance again, would you buy it again? I'm going the unlocked way because I'm not wanting to add another $30 to my cell bill so that disregards many other newer phones. The 3T is the only other option I'm really debating (yes I'm trying to be cost efficient)... Any thoughts?
Don't do it. The G5 is a nice enough phone, but LG's support for is it pathetic. I have the factory unlocked RS988, and there's no Nougat update anywhere in sight. All the major carriers have been updated, but the factory unlocked version of this flagship phone (which should have been first) gets nothing but mixed messages from LG's customer service team. Throw in the way that the "friends" modules were botched to the point where you have to wonder why no one has filed a class-action law suit, and you have the perfect storm of customer discontentment. In case you didn't already know: the Camera Plus module has major compatibility and charging issues, the highly regarded Bang & Olufsen Hi-fi module is not available is most markets including the US, the Rolling Ball never made it past the demo mode and the 360 VR headset is practically useless due to the lack of supporting apps (no Google Cardboard support, in spite of ads saying otherwise). The only decent module was the 360 Cam, which works with any Android phone.
Well in the opposite end of this guy. If you your looking for phone with root and such. Make sure version 850 and 830 is in your country. If that doesn't matter to you then fine. This phone is definitely worth getting. For $300 and specs, you won't find a better deal.
Seems like newer manufacturered versions have less issues. Before you buy make sure its newer. It will be on the box.
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It's about time I upgraded my G3 and naturally I'm looking at the newer G5 but I've read a lot of mixed reviews. If you had the chance again, would you buy it again? I'm going the unlocked way because I'm not wanting to add another $30 to my cell bill so that disregards many other newer phones. The 3T is the only other option I'm really debating (yes I'm trying to be cost efficient)... Any thoughts?
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well...in my opinion it is totally worthy of its money...i was previous user of oneplus device (OPX) and i didnt had great time with the support the phone had +way oneplus mainly treated their <<low>> end device...the G5 on the other hand i got it some months now and i regret absolutely nothing about it,got the official update and its still running smooth and perfect...i cant compare it with other devices in its category as its my first flagship phone....all i can say is that iam 100 happy about the specs and especially its price
Hello,
I'm thinking of buying a small phone, since I find it uncomfortable those that exceed 5 inches.
I was watching and analyzing those who have good battery, camera and features and I think the best that there are currently on the market are these 2: the Iphone SE and the Sony X Compact.
I'm not going to use it for games of any kind. What I most look for is that it has good battery life, a good rear camera (selfies do not bag) and, if possible, you can hear well with the headphones on.
Obvious that it is 2 different operating systems and, leaving aside that, since I like to use IOS or Android, from their own experience, comments or whatever: with which would they stay?
From now, thank you for you help!!
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Hello,
I'm thinking of buying a small phone, since I find it uncomfortable those that exceed 5 inches.
I was watching and analyzing those who have good battery, camera and features and I think the best that there are currently on the market are these 2: the Iphone SE and the Sony X Compact.
I'm not going to use it for games of any kind. What I most look for is that it has good battery life, a good rear camera (selfies do not bag) and, if possible, you can hear well with the headphones on.
Obvious that it is 2 different operating systems and, leaving aside that, since I like to use IOS or Android, from their own experience, comments or whatever: with which would they stay?
From now, thank you for you help!!
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I haven't ever owned an SE so I can't really comment on it vs the compact. However I do know that the compact has more picture storage potential due to the SD Card slot (SE doesn't have one). The SE uses a 12 megapixel shooter vs the Compact using a 23. I am note a huge taking pictures kinda guy so no complaints from me on the camera but I guess that's not saying much. Anyway below is a link to a video comparing the two. It's a little outdated as it has the compact running marshmallow (it has Nougat now) but does a decent job of comparing the two. https://youtu.be/U5g7LTCJqaY
Sony. Water resistance, SDcard. That's about it lol.
The SE may perform smoother as it is powered by the 6S internals.
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If you're not bothered about customizing then buy an iPhone, if you want customization then buy any Android.
iphone fails
- missing notification led
- no customizing and no jailbreak in sight, closed source system
- no slight to unlock (stupid doubble press home button to unlock since apple removed slide to unlock)
- less ram, no sd card, memory not expandable
- 1600 mAh vs 2700 mAh and no quick charge
- smaller display hurts your eyes,
- ligning connector incompatible (how many cables do we need ?)
- easy scratches on alu frame,
- banana bending,
- design from 2012
- steve jobs is dead
etc
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How is the dev community for this phone though?
There doesn't seem to be any official Lineago OS builds and only one AOSP ROM ...
I would buy this phone in a heartbeat with Lineage OS support but without it seems like one would be dependent on one single developer for ROMs on this phone.
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How is the dev community for this phone though?
There doesn't seem to be any official Lineago OS builds and only one AOSP ROM ...
I would buy this phone in a heartbeat with Lineage OS support but without it seems like one would be dependent on one single developer for ROMs on this phone.
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You are welcome to join the dev community and help to bring LineageOS to this device. Otherwise buy yourself a Nexus...
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You are welcome to join the dev community and help to bring LineageOS to this device. Otherwise buy yourself a Nexus...
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Nexus phones have ****ty hardware, so no thank you. Then I will get an iPhone.
Don't need a phone with a manufacturing defect that has thousands of phones failing and Google telling you that you are sadly 21 days out of warranty.
Problem solved
I have owned both of them and I found the iPhone SE to be the absolute perfect size for 1 hand use. The X Compact is good but there are still times where the opposite corner can be hard to reach. The SE also feels great in hand and is built with high quality materials. I inevitably returned mine and got a X Compact instead. They are both great phones and if OS doesn't matter to you, I would go with the SE, but I personally prefer Android and it's customization so I returned it.
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iphone fails
- less ram, no sd card, memory not expandable-
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Well you're comparing two different Systems, iOS doesn't require as much RAM as Android.
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Well you're comparing two different Systems, iOS doesn't require as much RAM as Android.
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maybe in the old days, but have you seen IOS 10.3 on the SE today ? Compared to the SE the XC performs much better
and the iphone 7+ is shipped with 3gb for a good reason
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maybe in the old days, but have you seen IOS 10.3 on the SE today ? Compared to the SE the XC performs much better
and the iphone 7+ is shipped with 3gb for a good reason
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haha honestly I haven't seen an iPhone since 2012, maybe you're right
I own both, they both have positives and negatives. I actively swap between the two because of that! The iPhone is smooth and beautiful, great quality hardware, but iOS feels much more restricted and the screen is very small (even for a small phone fan like myself). Camera is awesome; super quality and quick in all conditions, although selfie camera is only 1.2mp. Not that big a deal though since the pics still look good. X compact on the other hand has a much more vibrant screen which is bigger (but not too big!), very snappy and excellent performance compared to other androids, the system is overall much more customizable, great camera too with wider lens and better selfies. But overall the phone feels cheaper in hand (plastic body), and like all android phones it doesn't have the super polished behaviour, look and feel of apple. As I said, positives and negatives for both! For me I use Google Apps for everything, which is more restricted on iphone obviously, and I like being able to read news clearly on my commute on the larger brighter screen, so I use the x compact more. But sometimes I go back to the iPhone se just because of the smooth shiny experience
Hello, I really wanted a powerful and fast phone with clean interface, so I bought an iPhone 7 as the first non-Android phone in 7 years, so I'm very experienced with Android. I just wasn't impressed with with the Pixel for it's price. I also have a SE. I need some functionality in Android that's missing on the 7 and looking for a companion small phone that I can alternate with if needed, so I'm looking to get rid of my SE to fund for the Compact.
What I do learn from using iOS is that it's more primitive than I thought, despite the clean smooth experience. Somethings are just a joke on it I don't know how they get away with it when millions people are paying for it. But it has it's benefits as well, I do enjoy the A10 chip performance and not spending many hours to setup my phone. And some things just work better, like the Fine my iPhone. On the Honor 8, I could just bypass that lost phone screen . I see too many bugs on Android with skinned devices, and giant devices, which made me really tired of dealing with them. The Pixel just doesn't do it for me in term of pricing, all the issues I'm hearing about, the availability. I would say the Android market abandoned me, not the other way around, and this pushed me to iPhone.
My last Sony phone was the Xperia Play. I'm hoping the current Sony's OS is not too far away from stock Android.
I bought the X Compact for my wife as a Christmas gift - the other phone I was looking at was the iPhone SE.
After she tried out a loaner iPhone for about three weeks she decided she preferred Android, chiefly due to more free apps being available/costing less than the iOS version.
From everything I gathered from the numerous reviews, it essentially comes down to which platform you prefer. The iPhone SE has a slightly better camera in low light (night), but that looked like the only hardware advantage. If you go with the x-compact, try to wait until B&H photo has it on sale for $270. It's done that 3 times in the last five months.
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iphone fails
- no customizing and no jailbreak in sight, closed source system
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I was also seriously considering the SE, but that is the big reason I got the X compact. The Sony open devices program is a major plus for me. I look forward to actually owning my own device and have freedom of messing around with it, maybe even trying out Jolla's SailfishOS when it's available.
The only thing that concerns me about Android is there seems to be vulnerabilities exposed on the net or viruses (adware that calls back to someone's server in the background and monitors SMS messages) through legitimate apps.. seems there's a security flaw announced once a week. How is development for security patches on it, given the frequency of malware?
Not sure about ios but I kinda like having open source android., So long as devs are on top of things and not just adding feature fluff.
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The only thing that concerns me about Android is there seems to be vulnerabilities exposed on the net or viruses (adware that calls back to someone's server in the background and monitors SMS messages) through legitimate apps.. seems there's a security flaw announced once a week. How is development for security patches on it, given the frequency of malware?
Not sure about ios but I kinda like having open source android., So long as devs are on top of things and not just adding feature fluff.
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Android now have built in permission management so you can deny that app from accessing your personal info. It would be nice to have a built in feature to block internet access outright, but generally only MIUI based roms have that. I don't see it as an issue aside from people who download dubious apps or sideloading from questionable sources.
If you are that concerned you should get a phone that is promised monthly security updates, which is a Google Pixel. https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/ I was surprised the X Compact (international version) have timely monthly security updates.
I would say the closed source nature of iOS potentially makes it more insecure, with open source at least you have much more developers looking at it and alerting the issues.
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Android now have built in permission management so you can deny that app from accessing your personal info. It would be nice to have a built in feature to block internet access outright, but generally only MIUI based roms have that. I don't see it as an issue aside from people who download dubious apps or sideloading from questionable sources.
If you are that concerned you should get a phone that is promised monthly security updates, which is a Google Pixel. https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/ I was surprised the X Compact (international version) have timely monthly security updates.
I would say the closed source nature of iOS potentially makes it more insecure, with open source at least you have much more developers looking at it and alerting the issues.
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It'd have been easier to state that the XC already gets monthly (security) updates as the GP, but I digress. This is good, probably better than most manufacturers in that regard. My last phone was a buy once, throwaway after a couple months because Huawei decides "Want latest Android, your phone is obsolete -- buy a new Mate instead". Before folks say "Wait, they update their Mate line now!" - watch a "beta" ROM come online from Huawei after a year of not releasing any updates for months (once new phones are around the corner), the poof, scrapped ROM/patch (and now your phone is obsolete/vulnerable) because hey go buy new shiny phone to get the latest "update". It's infuriating, a phone should be "supported" for at least 3 years. Usually the good XDA developers make a phone last much longer than that!
Hello,
I am considering buying the Huawei 5X.
The company I work for is very strict on only allowing phones with current security patches to access corporate info. I can't seem to find definitive info on what the latest patch available for the 5X is. Can someone let me know what it is, and where I could find the information later? Does anyone know how long Huawei intend to release security patches for the 5X?
Also, how do people like the phone long term? I have had my last 3 phones (Samsung GalaxyIII, LG G4, LG Nexus5) die prematurely! (Samsung = dead SIM, G4 = dead wifi, Nexus = bootloop). All were run completely stock under minimal use. At this point, I am just looking for an Android phone that doesn't die. Are there any 5X build quality issues people have noticed after long term use?
Thanks!
rickjames8 said:
Hello,
I am considering buying the Huawei 5X.
The company I work for is very strict on only allowing phones with current security patches to access corporate info. I can't seem to find definitive info on what the latest patch available for the 5X is. Can someone let me know what it is, and where I could find the information later? Does anyone know how long Huawei intend to release security patches for the 5X?
Also, how do people like the phone long term? I have had my last 3 phones (Samsung GalaxyIII, LG G4, LG Nexus5) die prematurely! (Samsung = dead SIM, G4 = dead wifi, Nexus = bootloop). All were run completely stock under minimal use. At this point, I am just looking for an Android phone that doesn't die. Are there any 5X build quality issues people have noticed after long term use?
Thanks!
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Honor has shown they release updates less and less. When they release a new model they all but abandon the old one. This phone is all but forgotten by them. They expect you to move on to the 6x if you want updates
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rickjames8 said:
Hello,
I am considering buying the Huawei 5X.
The company I work for is very strict on only allowing phones with current security patches to access corporate info. I can't seem to find definitive info on what the latest patch available for the 5X is. Can someone let me know what it is, and where I could find the information later? Does anyone know how long Huawei intend to release security patches for the 5X?
Also, how do people like the phone long term? I have had my last 3 phones (Samsung GalaxyIII, LG G4, LG Nexus5) die prematurely! (Samsung = dead SIM, G4 = dead wifi, Nexus = bootloop). All were run completely stock under minimal use. At this point, I am just looking for an Android phone that doesn't die. Are there any 5X build quality issues people have noticed after long term use?
Thanks!
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i would suggest to go for RN4..
So, on the Xiaomi, it seems like they don't patch/update as regularly as some other companies:
https://www.quora.com/Do-Xiaomi-mob...roid-versions-as-soon-as-updates-are-released
I do like the phone though.
I had been drawn to the Huawei as I saw it on a list of companies that are pretty good with patches. Basically, the ONLY reason that I am in the market for a new phone (currently using an old Samsung Alpha which is the best phone I've ever owned) is that I need it to access corporate data. If a patch is released and my company requires it and I don't have it, then I'm blocked from the corporate server. I like the Nexus line for this reason (quickest updates), but the 5 and 5x have this bootloop issue, and the 6 is just too big for my liking.
Thanks for the tip on the Honor 6X. I am leaning that way now.
Huawei/Honor is pushing updates on 3-4 months basis, and you'll probably still be stuck with old patchset. Mine was updated with September patches in November
If your company doesn't mind you running unrooted custom software (like mine does, they don't care what are you running as long as your phone is updated and you don't use warez), grab 5X and move it to LineageOS as soon as possible. 6X will get same treatment 5X is getting now, so if you must keep it stock & updated, better look at other manufacturers with better update history.
It's a pretty solid phone they just released a OTA for the January security patch 351 but you can root and use Lineage OS it's pretty solid. Also they tend to keep the security updates pretty recent and quicker.
As for the phone make sure you get a good solid case don't sit on it or keep in your hip pocket if you squat a lot mine tends to flex some on the housing and the volume rocker area gets bent alil bit. It's no biggy cause you can smush it back flush. Easy to take apart if you ever need to tear it down and you can always grab a extra housing off ebay for 20 bucks or so.
It didn't quite impress me last year since I was coming off a kind of roll where Huawei's Mate2 offered a whole lot of what I as a handset user expected such as OTG, Large screen, snappy response, etc plus for me the Honor 5x WAS Laggy and other occasional issues not experienced with my Mate 2 IMO.
However after returning back to Stock ROM (Factory New Again) recently and reapplying the latest release Marshmallow 6.01 and then pressing ahead with this newest update I am happy to announce that i'm back and pleased to peaches with Honor 5X FINALLY!
I knew this handset had some potential but whatever they did with updates it's for sure now pretty well ironed out as far as I can tell.
Like the above ---> IT IS A SOLID PHONE chalked full of options and very permissions configurable too if you like that about mobiles.
Don't buy the Honor 5X. The Galaxy S5 is way better and about the same price or less. Trust me.... These phones are garbage except for a few areas: Look, style, feel, battery, and camera. But the S5 still beats it in the Camera area. The battery life is fantastic. That's about it though.
The cons?
The speakers is the worst of any phone I've ever owned.
The performance is horrid no matter what ROM you run. <--- main reason I hate it
EMUI is the gayest thing ever.
Basically a very cheap iphone knock-off.
i think the phones sold in america are with 3gb ram
No they with 2gb ram
After some thinking, I decided to hop off the LG boat, and swim to somewhere else.
I've been using LG phones ever since the G2, and I'm just sad for them - they failed miserably every time since the G4 fiasco. I can't root my model (H870DS) and the updates seldom come, and just downgrade the phone with every new one.
I'm looking for a new phone, but I need recommendations: It needs to have Wireless charging, FREQUENT software updates and a good battery (Proud Pokémon GOer )
Budget is 790$, but selection may be limited because I live in Israel. Any suggestions will be welcome
Zryxeon said:
After some thinking, I decided to hop off the LG boat, and swim to somewhere else.
I've been using LG phones ever since the G2, and I'm just sad for them - they failed miserably every time since the G4 fiasco. I can't root my model (H870DS) and the updates seldom come, and just downgrade the phone with every new one.
I'm looking for a new phone, but I need recommendations: It needs to have Wireless charging, FREQUENT software updates and a good battery (Proud Pokémon GOer )
Budget is 790$, but selection may be limited because I live in Israel. Any suggestions will be welcome
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How about Mi 9? Or if you can find a mix 3 5G?
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5G ain't available here yet \/'-'\/
I currently consider Galaxy S9 or GALAXY S10e, but am open for ideas.
WIth your budget the best you can go eighter Mate 20/P30 Pro or Mi Mix 3/Mi 9 for sure...
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5G ain't available here yet \/'-'\/
I currently consider Galaxy S9 or GALAXY S10e, but am open for ideas.
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My experience with Samsung UI is really....bad (you can look at my signature to know I did use many samsung flagship phones).
Before I got my Mi Mix 2S, I gave S9 plus a try for several weeks, but microstuttering drove me nut (the lag was not very noticeable, but it's always there).
I used to both G6 and S8 Active, I would say G6 is smoother than S8 Active.....
Unless you will put Linage OS on, skip all Samsung phones.... Their UI and stock kernel whatever causes micro lag, micro stuttering....
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I'll consider that
For me though, ANY UI is better than LG's one. Well, maybe except MIUI (Almost had a seizure from the color burst, ain't gonna lie)...
The cheapest stuff available with Wireless Charging here are Xiaomi Mi Mix 2 and 3, and the said S9.
As long as they update their phones frequently, I don't mind so much - and if I can root them.
*cough*LG*cough*
Thanks for the help
I've did some thinking, and I'm gonna buy the Pocophone.
Wireless Charging is not that important to me now that I think about it, and I don't use NFC anyway so I don't mind.
Thanks
Zryxeon said:
After some thinking, I decided to hop off the LG boat, and swim to somewhere else.
I've been using LG phones ever since the G2, and I'm just sad for them - they failed miserably every time since the G4 fiasco. I can't root my model (H870DS) and the updates seldom come, and just downgrade the phone with every new one.
I'm looking for a new phone, but I need recommendations: It needs to have Wireless charging, FREQUENT software updates and a good battery (Proud Pokémon GOer )
Budget is 790$, but selection may be limited because I live in Israel. Any suggestions will be welcome
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I'm also leaving LG pretty soon, I made myself a spreadsheet of things I need (not very similar to your requests though, so it isn't of much use to you) but I will probably head over to a Pixel 3 XL (though that notch is awful) I absolutely NEED support for Band 13 (as I use Verizon and that band has the best service in my area), an unlocked bootloader and voLTE on stock ROMs, I hate just about every custom android skin that manufacturers ship with their phones, for me this means Samsung and LG are gone as they have proprietary voLTE implementations that don't work on AOSP (stock android) ROMs. I also need something with a modern SOC (845/855/670) and I really want my OLED screen back. Basically I ended up with a Pixel 3/Pixel 3a or Mi Mix 3, both of which can be had for <$500, Google phones will have the fastest updates, if you need wireless charging as mentioned the Pixel 3 (non a) has that and water resistance but no SD card or headphone jack. If you are fine with Samsung's Touchwiz or whatever it's called now you could go for a s9/s10 but they probably won't get fast updates so I wouldn't recommend it (tough it has just about every hardware feature)
TL;DR
Samsung has the best hardware but their software is IMO awful and won't release many updates
Mi Mix 3 5G is within your budget and is more future-proof because of it's 5G but updates probably will be very minimal (without custom ROMs of course)
Google doesn't quite have the same level of Hardware and features as Samusng but you will get updates and as long as you buy Unlocked you will have everything (bootloader, root ability, carrier) unlocked.
Basically from your requests, I recommend a Pixel 3/Pixel 3 XL
Hi there! Just a quick question about what phone I should get next. I've been with OnePlus for a long time, first using a OnePlus 5T then a OnePlus 7T and now a OnePlus Nord. While I think the brand has slowly moved away from what I originally chose it for, cheaper price point for flagship specs, I am still happy with the phones and would get another one. I just smashed my OnePlus Nord and since I've already had it repaired before and I've had it since it launched, I was looking at getting a new phone. I really really liked the One Plus Nord, possibly my favorite of the bunch, so I was thinking of getting the OnePlus Nord 2. I wanted to ask first, what are people's opinions and user experience with the Nord 2, is it worth it?
Honestly, best consumerism practice states to never have "brand loyalty" and instead consider all options and pricepoints available to you. Do your research thoroughly, and don't let brands sway your decision too much.
If you are a fan of rooting and modifying your device on the software side the experience isn't great on the nord2 due to it's less common mediatek chipset, complete lack of official stock rom from oneplus, and the ensuing lack of custom roms and mods that this entails. Also the lack of AB partitions meaning OTA updates are inconvenient on this phone if running stock OS rooted.
And even if you're not into aftermarket software or rooting, the quality of the stock OxygenOS is declining. Judging from your previous phones, you should be aware that OxygenOS used to be very highly regarded within the community, but that is becoming less and less the reality in the past year or two, which the community is blaming mostly on the Oppo merger and ColorOS influences, with their latest OxygenOS 12 rollout being fraught with bugs and almost unuseable at times, without an option to rollback without very advanced knowledge / image files from other xda forum users.
As for performance, battery life, camera performance and the other hardware side consideration, you can look up plenty of data about this from youtube and various reviews around the internetl They're pretty decent but definitely not flagship standards by any means.
So in summary;
Aftermarket software/tweaks/rooting score = F (worst grade possible)
Stock software/Oxygen OS = D (pretty bad, getting worse by the month)
Hardware = B+ (pretty decent)
So basically, worthwhile if you don't plan to root/modify the phone and just want an ordinary phone for daily use, you're getting decent hardware as long as you can pick up the phone for a reasonable price and don't plan to use wireless chargers with it. Do note the phone is around 1 year old now so don't pay premium price for it anymore, phones of this kind of spec and age are only worth considering for a good price point, otherwise the midship phone market is totally saturated with good choices. The Google pixel 6a coming out in a few weeks time is a good example.
Could not agree more with @Zombnombs. I am using the phone for almost a year now and tweaking and rooting this phone is a nightmare. at the moment iam on a broken OS / firmware, so i cannot update the phone anymore (As OTA update refuses to work). Very dissappointed in that regard as i was used to easily tweak OP phones in the past. Oneplus is not the same company anymore as it was in 2014 :/
This phone is good for the average Joe. does everything you want a smartphone to do, and is pretty fast, takes decent pictures, but i think there are better options out there now.
Is there a decent Android phone in less than $600 / 600€ ?
Nord 2 5G is one of them. Once figured how to root without bootloop ( no TWRP) do great the job.
I am not happy with some stupid OnePlus decisions but in general the phone performs well.
Don't find oxygen so bad. My other driver is lineage os and feel the same comfortability.
Yeah, OTA update on rooted is pain and mtk is not my favorite SoC, but the overall experience is great.
Almost a year on customized & rooted.
If someone suggest better phone in this price segment will consider the change.
Particularly I cannot find one.
Best.
Edit:
After few days of research and looking on OPPO, Realme, OnePlus, Motorola, Samsung, (Xiaomi - no), didn't liked one more than mine DN2103. Will keep it, hopefully with oxygen 11.3.