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Since the hardware is almost identical, can a Fuze use a Tilt 2 rom?
-Matthew
Well... Is the device in question a Fuze or a Tilt2? It's a Fuze, and needs to use a Fuze rom. If you look around this forum you're sure to find many well built custom Roms for a Fuze that incorporate bits and pieces of the Tilt2's new toys.
I was hoping to take advantage of the Tilt2's ability to capture video at 640x480.. Possible?
-Matthew
3DPiper said:
I was hoping to take advantage of the Tilt2's ability to capture video at 640x480.. Possible?
-Matthew
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Never, if you want to take out the video camera from the Tilt 2 and put it in the Fuze without breaking your Fuze, its the only way.
No, the size of screens are different.
Never, if you want to take out the video camera from the Tilt 2 and put it in the Fuze without breaking your Fuze, its the only way.
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But the cameras are the same..
No, the size of screens are different.
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I don't know what that has to do with it.. When I record video on my FUZE now, it displays the footage in crisp, clear 640x480.. But when I play it back, it is half that resolution.. The Tilt2 has a setting to capture at 640x480, I was hoping to use the camera utility from the Tilt2 rom and test it...
-Matthew
Not possible. The ROM won't help you with it even if it was possible. It is a hardware limitation of the MSM7201A chips. The ones for the U.S. can not record 640x480 video and neither can the Tilt2 because of some patent infringement.
You can not load a ROM meant for some device on to another device. The ROM have all lot of stuff which is device specific. Trying to load a TP2 ROM on a TP device might even brick your phone.
As far as similarities go. TP2 is a WVGA vs TP which has VGA display.
So Samsung Canada has officially announced that all the Canadian versions are going to be just like the Japanese one with the Snapdragon CPU for LTE support and 2GBs of ram, at a glance it appears that everything else under the hood should be the same more or less (obviously dont know for sure but just guessing) so What Im wondering is will the firmwares be the same for these 2GB varients or will there be enough differences that the modding and development area of the S III will differ to the point that anything made for the GT-I9300 wont work on these models?
Naturally the assumed answer would be no, such as the custom SGS2's that have 4 touch buttons and no home key compared to the international model, however all S III's appear to all be the same layout of 2 touch 1 home and same phone design ect, just different CPU and amount of ram inside the phone.
+1 for this question, this will make if I buy or not the phone
The amount of memory is the least of your concerns.
The device is using a completely different chipset, it uses a Qualcomm Snapdragon S4, so no, firmware/roms made for the GT-i9300 will not work on the version you're getting, not even the HSPA+ one.
But i'm sure there will still be a lot of support for doing custom roms on your versions as well
This has always been the case... anything for the "I " will have to be ported to work on north American variants... there will be different modems/kernels ...international will get updates first and certain things will be pulled to build roms for us.
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Both of them are based on different soc. international version is using the exynos chipset
and the lte version is using the qualcom chipset. so the roms would be totally different
What I think he's asking is whether or not the Canadian and Japanese (for example) versions will be firmware-compatible, as they both will get the alternate SoC and memory, not the international version...
It's a question without an answer. All we can do is guess, and not educated ones. We'll have to wait and see.
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What I think he's asking is whether or not the Canadian and Japanese (for example) versions will be firmware-compatible, as they both will get the alternate SoC and memory, not the international version...
It's a question without an answer. All we can do is guess, and not educated ones. We'll have to wait and see.
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Actually its both, I guess I should of worded this better with more details lol.
But my main thoughts were dev work on the international GT-I9300 and mods/addons etc working on the LTE 2GB varient (since at a glance it looks like they are the same phones but with different CPU/Ram), also as well Japanese/Canada/USA versions working together since it looks like all 3 countrys are getting the same model phones with the same hardware (different model numbers though because of branding purposes but same hardware inside the phone).
Im not looking for custom roms though my main thoughts are small addons that you generally see in the themes and apps section and the huge following that you see with the S II and constant checking and usage with new firmwares for the shake of improving everyones device, and most important of all CF-Root for the device. My concern is that most of the dev's will be putting the work and effort into the international model and not the other ones so I will be SOL unless I get the international model (which is why the question in the first place), but heres the other thing that bothers me with that...
It feels like its not worth the upgrade (hardware wise), everything is the same except 200MHz faster CPU with a couple extra cores that most apps probably wont take advantage of for some time to come, and a 720p HD screen which is nice but not really necessary. The S III feels more like a software upgrade rather then a hardware one (amazing software and improvements Samsung has done for the device over the S II for sure), but to me it feels like its not worth it unless your getting all the hardware improved upon aswell, like were just re-buying our S II's because its "shinier" with new and improved software lol.
Doesn't anyone else feel that the S III should of been not only a CPU upgrade but double the ram, improved MP's on the front and back camera's etc etc?
So with all that in mind atleast for me it feels like if im to get the upgrade it should actually be a nice upgrade (hardware wise) you know what I mean?
Well, our opinions appear to differ a lot on the subject, but I have no interest on elaborating on them yet again.
However, for rooting, for the SGS3 something like CF-Root is not needed due to the separate kernel and recovery partitions. You flash a modified recovery (once) then root through that.
Future firmwares can then be flashed with Mobile ODIN (which can root during flash), or (again) through the recovery, if you didn't overwrite it.
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Well, our opinions appear to differ a lot on the subject, but I have no interest on elaborating on them yet again.
However, for rooting, for the SGS3 something like CF-Root is not needed due to the separate kernel and recovery partitions. You flash a modified recovery (once) then root through that.
Future firmwares can then be flashed with Mobile ODIN (which can root during flash), or (again) through the recovery, if you didn't overwrite it.
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Ah yes i see, i thought he meant compared to the International GT-I9300 model
Sorry to the OP, i haven't a clue about that.
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Ah yes i see, i thought he meant compared to the International GT-I9300 model
Sorry to the OP, i haven't a clue about that.
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No I ment both. Compared to the international model and as well between the same alternate ones that are the same.
Pretty much don't want to get the 2GB ram model if most of the development is only for the international model, however getting the normal one over my S II feels like I'm practically getting a small upgrade if the ram isn't getting doubled among other things.
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The Oneplus 2 has been available for reservation on jd.com, a site similar to Amazon, in China for the past week. Over 400,000 people reserved the phone. A reservation allowed the purchase of the phone starting 9:30am this morning. I managed to snag one and should take delivery of it later this afternoon. I was a bit disappointed to find out that it comes with HydrogenOS instead of OxygenOS. However, I'm sure that can be rectified in the near future. I purchased the 64GB model for 2399RMB, about $385USD.
Anyone else living in or ordering from China managed to get their hands on one?
EDIT: It just arrived. The build quality is impressive, especially coming from an LG G3. The accuracy of the fingerprint sensor in my brief tests was good, and I like the ability to unlock from standby. Not a fan of HydrogenOS, but I can see that it might have some appeal to people who like a more minimalistic android experience.
i also live in china and thinking to buy it ,i am just curious about camera quality and how much different hydrogen OS from Oxygen OS?
@khr0n0s Please post Antutu Benchmark results and Camera samples.Also comment on charging time and battery life.
I was gonna buy this or the new moto X, was inclining towards the moto X which would release in September, but now I am thinking that I'll just wait for the new OnePlus phone coming later this year. A company executive said that that phone would be the 'premium' phone, and that u don't think they are gonna add more than 200 $s (which would add up to the same price as the 64gb moto X style) to the price tag no matter how Premium they make it. Also, it is likely that that one will have the snapdragon 820 and a 2k screen. I hope this one has no hardware issues so I can be much more confident in waiting for the upcoming one, knowing that it likely won't have much hardware issues as well.
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@ali_ge - You might have difficulty getting hold of one. I was just lucky. They sold 30,000 units in 64 seconds! HydrogenOS is very simple and has no home screens / widgets. The phone boots up in to an app drawer with a large clock at the top. Not many options to customise. It also has no google apps, but that is no different to any other Chinese handset. There is an english language option, but there is still quite a lot of Chinese notifications especially in the bundled apps. I will definitely be switching to OxygenOS when a ROM becomes available.
@bhu1 - Has the premium one plus been officially announced yet? I read an interview with Carl Pei in which he said it would be more about style than specs, but it was very vague. Even if they do release it later this year, if they use the same invite system then it will be difficult to get hold of for a few months.
@vaisakh7 - I'm at work now without the phone. I can post the benchmark and sample pictures this evening. I don't plan to use the phone as my main handset till I can install a custom recovery and flash with OxygenOS. This makes measuring charging time and battery life difficult.
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@ali_ge - You might have difficulty getting hold of one. I was just lucky. They sold 30,000 units in 64 seconds! HydrogenOS is very simple and has no home screens / widgets. The phone boots up in to an app drawer with a large clock at the top. Not many options to customise. It also has no google apps, but that is no different to any other Chinese handset. There is an english language option, but there is still quite a lot of Chinese notifications especially in the bundled apps. I will definitely be switching to OxygenOS when a ROM becomes available.
@bhu1 - Has the premium one plus been officially announced yet? I read an interview with Carl Pei in which he said it would be more about style than specs, but it was very vague. Even if they do release it later this year, if they use the same invite system then it will be difficult to get hold of for a few months.
@vaisakh7 - I'm at work now without the phone. I can post the benchmark and sample pictures this evening. I don't plan to use the phone as my main handset till I can install a custom recovery and flash with OxygenOS. This makes measuring charging time and battery life difficult.
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thank you for you quick reply
what think about camera performance as compare to lg g3 and are you sure that we can switch rom to Oxygen OS
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thank you for you quick reply
what think about camera performance as compare to lg g3 and are you sure that we can switch rom to Oxygen OS
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Well yeah. Bootloader can be unlocked even now.. The thing is that we don't have factory image of OxygenOS yet.. As soon as we get it, we can flash it via fastboot.. Or we have to wait till International Version of OP2 goes on sale.. Then someone can easily upload the ROM Zip and we can flash it after unlocking bootloader and flashing custom recovery (we will have to wait a week atleast for a custom recovery imo) ... Or we can still do via fastboot but that will require extra efforts...
So hope OnePlus releases factory images of OxygenOS as soon as possible.
Is it possible also to unlock all international WCDMA/LTE bands when flashing OxygenOS on chinese version?
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Well yeah. Bootloader can be unlocked even now.. The thing is that we don't have factory image of OxygenOS yet.. As soon as we get it, we can flash it via fastboot.. Or we have to wait till International Version of OP2 goes on sale.. Then someone can easily upload the ROM Zip and we can flash it after unlocking bootloader and flashing custom recovery (we will have to wait a week atleast for a custom recovery imo) ... Or we can still do via fastboot but that will require extra efforts...
So hope OnePlus releases factory images of OxygenOS as soon as possible.
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:fingers-crossed: good, now i have to wait till 8 aug or 12 aug to get mine
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Is it possible also to unlock all international WCDMA/LTE bands when flashing OxygenOS on chinese version?
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You don't have to unlock anything as it works just fine out of the box. I also ordered a 64GB version from Aliexpress.
edit: ok, LTE bands B5, B8 and B20 is not supported, but it is not a big deal for me as I mainly use B3 and B7.
I'm curious about the Antutu Benchmark, camera output and battery life.. OP, if you could posts more details, that would be great..
@Mermaidss @Aisakh7 @riyadh - AnTuTu benchmark as requested:
Here are some sample images. I think the camera is as good as LG G3.
For comparison, here is a low light photo from the LG G3 running Cyanogenmod:
OnePlus 2 running HydrogenOS:
Both images were taken using default settings. The OnePlus 2 is darker but more natural.
Pretty good!
@khr0n0s Many thanks for your valuable time mate!
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Does the device get hot after long usage or gaming?
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I bought 64GB Version from Aliexpress today, I hope I will get it relatively fast.
Give me best seller on alieexpress who not lie , I'm afraid sellers not trust , because if my money gone for wrong people, I can't buy new smartphone again
TWRP and custom HydrogenOS ROM are now available on oneplusbbs
http://www.oneplusbbs.com/thread-846120-1-1.html
EDIT: OxygenOS ROM available here
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@Mermaidss @Aisakh7 @riyadh - AnTuTu benchmark as requested:
Here are some sample images. I think the camera is as good as LG G3.
For comparison, here is a low light photo from the LG G3 running Cyanogenmod:
OnePlus 2 running HydrogenOS:
Both images were taken using default settings. The OnePlus 2 is darker but more natural.
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hi try one more thing the manual camera app(https://play.google.com/store/apps/...a2_compatibility_test&hl=en):fingers-crossed:, Does it support camera api 2.0
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TWRP and custom HydrogenOS ROM are now available on oneplusbbs
http://www.oneplusbbs.com/thread-846120-1-1.html
EDIT: OxygenOS ROM available here
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OP, please install this and let us know!
hopefully the oneplus 2 china version situation is same as oneplus one, the hardware was the same but the band support was actually controlled by the rom (the radio I assume).
Has anyone been able to port Google's HDR+ algorithm on other phones, i.e. the G5?
In the end it's only a software processing and on my wife's Nexus 5X it works damn good, mostly putting my G5 to shame...
Did anyone successfully reverse-engineered it to port it on more camera hardwares??
Thanks.
This is the closest you will get
http://chromloop.com/
Unfortunately the zero shutter lag requires Android 7.1 and HDR+ is also disabled
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This is the closest you will get
http://chromloop.com/
Unfortunately the zero shutter lag requires Android 7.1 and HDR+ is also disabled
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Thank you for the tip.
Is there a particular reason why HDR+ shouldn't be working for other cameras too? Isn't it just a software algorithm based on taking multiple pictures in rapid succession?
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Thank you for the tip.
Is there a particular reason why HDR+ shouldn't be working for other cameras too? Isn't it just a software algorithm based on taking multiple pictures in rapid succession?
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np mate.
it is actually rather complicated. you should probably be able to do hdr on our phones by idk maybe change build prop or similiar stuff. maybe even some libs are needed. it seems though that the 5x and 6p hdr+ isnt the real deal.
if you are more interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/nexus5x/comments/57ukba/psa_google_camera_42_mod_on_5x6p_literary_bring/
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even hw accelerated hdr+ should work on our phones but we are missing people wanting/being able to port it I'd say (as well as 7.1.1 for all features)
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np mate.
it is actually rather complicated. you should probably be able to do hdr on our phones by idk maybe change build prop or similiar stuff. maybe even some libs are needed. it seems though that the 5x and 6p hdr+ isnt the real deal.
if you are more interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/nexus5x/comments/57ukba/psa_google_camera_42_mod_on_5x6p_literary_bring/
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even hw accelerated hdr+ should work on our phones but we are missing people wanting/being able to port it I'd say (as well as 7.1.1 for all features)
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Interesting one. In fact I tried this Camera NX both on my G5 and on the Nexus 5X of my wife and already uninstalled in both...
On the G5 it does absolutely nothing.
On the 5X it is supposed to use HDR+ with ZSL, but actually doesn't. The photos come out much worse than with the stock camera. I don't understand why people claim it works...
I wish someone could make the Pixel's HDR+ work on the Snapdragon 820 and make it available for all smartphones using that chipset, which are quite many and nice ones.
The current HDR mode on the G5 is good for an alternative
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The current HDR mode on the G5 is good for an alternative
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It's crap, if you're not directly in perfectly lit room or area you'll get lag while it takes the three shots
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It's crap, if you're not directly in perfectly lit room or area you'll get lag while it takes the three shots
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... and everything blurry.
This camera may even be very good hardware, but the software makes it unusable in most situations where everything isn't very still. A bit disappointing.
Hi all -- A few weeks ago, I bought a Moto Z to play with Daydream, and one of the first things I noticed was that Google's HDR+ feature that I had used for so long on my Nexus 6 was not available. It didn't even occur to me that this feature was proprietary to Nexus devices, so I got to work right away trying to unlock access to HDR+ on my Moto Z as I firmly believe that HDR+ is still the gold standard in computational image blending for Android devices.
It turns out that tricking non-Nexus devices into using HDR+ is not that hard. I grabbed a copy of Camera NX from chromloop.com, decompiled using apktool, and tweaked the smali code in the DeviceHelper file to ensure that the function isNexus6P() always returns a value of true, regardless of device (the corresponding line can be edited to read "const v0, 1"). I'll post a modified APK from my development machine in just a moment...
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Hi all -- A few weeks ago, I bought a Moto Z to play with Daydream, and one of the first things I noticed was that Google's HDR+ feature that I had used for so long on my Nexus 6 was not available. It didn't even occur to me that this feature was proprietary to Nexus devices, so I got to work right away trying to unlock access to HDR+ on my Moto Z as I firmly believe that HDR+ is still the gold standard in computational image blending for Android devices.
It turns out that tricking non-Nexus devices into using HDR+ is not that hard. I grabbed a copy of Camera NX from chromloop.com, decompiled using apktool, and tweaked the smali code in the DeviceHelper file to ensure that the function isNexus6P() always returns a value of true, regardless of device (the corresponding line can be edited to read "const v0, 1"). I'll post a modified APK from my development machine in just a moment...
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This sounds great. Would be very appreciative if you posted it.
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Hi all -- A few weeks ago, I bought a Moto Z to play with Daydream, and one of the first things I noticed was that Google's HDR+ feature that I had used for so long on my Nexus 6 was not available. It didn't even occur to me that this feature was proprietary to Nexus devices, so I got to work right away trying to unlock access to HDR+ on my Moto Z as I firmly believe that HDR+ is still the gold standard in computational image blending for Android devices.
It turns out that tricking non-Nexus devices into using HDR+ is not that hard. I grabbed a copy of Camera NX from chromloop.com, decompiled using apktool, and tweaked the smali code in the DeviceHelper file to ensure that the function isNexus6P() always returns a value of true, regardless of device (the corresponding line can be edited to read "const v0, 1"). I'll post a modified APK from my development machine in just a moment...
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sounds great. wait for your good news
elosito said:
Hi all -- A few weeks ago, I bought a Moto Z to play with Daydream, and one of the first things I noticed was that Google's HDR+ feature that I had used for so long on my Nexus 6 was not available. It didn't even occur to me that this feature was proprietary to Nexus devices, so I got to work right away trying to unlock access to HDR+ on my Moto Z as I firmly believe that HDR+ is still the gold standard in computational image blending for Android devices.
It turns out that tricking non-Nexus devices into using HDR+ is not that hard. I grabbed a copy of Camera NX from chromloop.com, decompiled using apktool, and tweaked the smali code in the DeviceHelper file to ensure that the function isNexus6P() always returns a value of true, regardless of device (the corresponding line can be edited to read "const v0, 1"). I'll post a modified APK from my development machine in just a moment...
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Please post!! Much appreciated
Apologies for the delay -- I'm working up to my total of 10 posts so that I can share the file with you all. Give me just a few minutes (and forgive this short post that is helping me reach 10!)...
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Okay, just worked myself up past ten posts so that I can share a link with you all: http://www.mediafire.com/file/l8num4lyw05vybt/Camera4-hdrplus.apk
I hope that this works as well for enabling HDR+ on the G5 as it does on my Moto Z! Please let me know how it goes when you try it.
I had install the apps and it had HDR+ option in it
but once I take the photo with HDR+ auto or HDR+ on , the photo come out like it blur and just 1.XX MB
and if i take the photo with HDR+ Off , the photo will just back to normal
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Apologies for the delay -- I'm working up to my total of 10 posts so that I can share the file with you all. Give me just a few minutes (and forgive this short post that is helping me reach 10!)...
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Okay, just worked myself up past ten posts so that I can share a link with you all: http://www.mediafire.com/file/l8num4lyw05vybt/Camera4-hdrplus.apk
I hope that this works as well for enabling HDR+ on the G5 as it does on my Moto Z! Please let me know how it goes when you try it.
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This is what I got all on default settings (HDR + with highest res)
Seems low res and blurry. Thanks for attempting this! Hope you get it
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This is what I got all on default settings (HDR + with highest res)
Seems low res and blurry. Thanks for attempting this! Hope you get it
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Thanks so much for sharing the sample images -- bummer that this doesn't seem to be working yet on your device. Just to confirm, are you indeed using a G5? I didn't see any device specs in the photo metadata. I would also be curious to hear what OS version you're running on your device. HDR+ support seems to be based upon how complete a device's access to the camera2 API is, and it is clear that completeness of support for this API varies considerably across devices and OS versions. Guess I just got lucky that my Moto Z with 7.0 supports all of the needed API calls! Maybe there is still hope for modifying a different version of the camera app to support the G5.
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Thanks so much for sharing the sample images -- bummer that this doesn't seem to be working yet on your device. Just to confirm, are you indeed using a G5? I didn't see any device specs in the photo metadata. I would also be curious to hear what OS version you're running on your device. HDR+ support seems to be based upon how complete a device's access to the camera2 API is, and it is clear that completeness of support for this API varies considerably across devices and OS versions. Guess I just got lucky that my Moto Z with 7.0 supports all of the needed API calls! Maybe there is still hope for modifying a different version of the camera app to support the G5.
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I have the same results. H830 T-Mobile G5 on 7.0.
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Thanks so much for sharing the sample images -- bummer that this doesn't seem to be working yet on your device. Just to confirm, are you indeed using a G5? I didn't see any device specs in the photo metadata. I would also be curious to hear what OS version you're running on your device. HDR+ support seems to be based upon how complete a device's access to the camera2 API is, and it is clear that completeness of support for this API varies considerably across devices and OS versions. Guess I just got lucky that my Moto Z with 7.0 supports all of the needed API calls! Maybe there is still hope for modifying a different version of the camera app to support the G5.
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Hey bud, I'm in on H831 on 7.0. Hopefully you can work some magic and get it working. Best of luck !
H850 with 7.0 stock rooted same results. It is odd as it is basically the same hardware besides the imaging sensor. I have the impression that it refocuses after the first picture for HDR leaving it blurry after stitching together
Huh. I tried it out on the V20 and same blurry result. The 6p uses an IMX377 while the Pixel uses an IMX 378. The G5 uses an IMX234 and the V20 uses an IMX298. I wonder if the sensors in use have anything to do with it, too?
I was wondering about something, to me it looks like the Pixel 6 and Pro camera module is the same except the extra camera for the Pro. If you were to get a broken Pixel 6 Pro, and took that camera module and put it into the Pixel 6. Could the zoom camera work? It may require tricking Google into thinking you have a Pro via software but I'm thinking it might be possible.
Feasible? Cost effective? Worth it? Probably not, at least right now.. More just something I'm curious about if anyone has any ideas?
Not just the module. Also the case. And the software mod would have to mix support for the p6p camera and p6 screen. Also there are other hardware differences. And then any software or security updates would force repeating the software changes, so would probaby be need to treated as a full custom ROM project...
Makes the price difference for a Google supported p6p with a warranty look ok
And the motherboard. The camera must be connected. It's not enough to just mount it.
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Not just the module. Also the case. And the software mod would have to mix support for the p6p camera and p6 screen. Also there are other hardware differences. And then any software or security updates would force repeating the software changes, so would probaby be need to treated as a full custom ROM project...
Makes the price difference for a Google supported p6p with a warranty look ok
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Oh yeah, like I said it was just a thought I had after looking at both phones. Yeah, custom ROM would be the best bet.
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And the motherboard. The camera must be connected. It's not enough to just mount it.
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That I wasn't sure about, I know it would be possible for them to both use the same connector. I haven't looked though, so probably not.