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I like Verizon, the coverage is great but sometimes I wonder if the grass is greener. I like to try all the different phones out there and T-Mobile and AT&T have the most open networks for switching out phones. I think T-Mobile is not going to work because the coverage is just not there. I used to be an At&T customer and only left really for Android (Original Droid). Now that Android is spread to al the carriers I wonder if I might like AT&T better just because I can switch out phones so much easier. Anyone have any input, maybe someone that has switched from Verizon to AT&T?
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I like Verizon, the coverage is great but sometimes I wonder if the grass is greener. I like to try all the different phones out there and T-Mobile and AT&T have the most open networks for switching out phones. I think T-Mobile is not going to work because the coverage is just not there. I used to be an At&T customer and only left really for Android (Original Droid). Now that Android is spread to al the carriers I wonder if I might like AT&T better just because I can switch out phones so much easier. Anyone have any input, maybe someone that has switched from Verizon to AT&T?
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I'd love to provide some input as a user who has been a Verizon customer for a few years and is switching to AT&T. I previously used the Galaxy Nexus on Verizon and then switched to the iPhone 5 last year. I am still on an unlimited data plan. However, I have grown increasingly frustrated at Verizon because of their lack of phone variety, slow updates, locked bootloaders, Verizon customizations (persistent WIFI notifications, for example), etc.
So I bought an HTC One on AT&T the other day and am currently evaluating it. Right now I still have my Verizon iPhone 5 with unlimited data. But I also have the HTC One with the 5GB data plan (I have a 25% business discount).
SO is the grass greener? Yes and No. Here are some of my thoughts:
- Verizon has better overall coverage, but AT&T is faster. In my area, LTE on AT&T just went live, and while speeds are comparable, AT&T has better penetration already into the buildings I've been in. In my workplace, for example, I can get 4G LTE on AT&T but only 3G on Verizon unless I am close to the windows. It's nice having HSPA+ as a drop down from LTE as opposed to Verizon's very slow 3G network IMO. Can't deny Verizon's coverage is second to none, but AT&T is good in my area so this is probably the primary consideration (how is AT&T in your main area you'll be in???)
- It would be very hard to give up my Unlimited Data plan on Verizon. It's nice not having to worry about data caps. However, in actual use, I rarely go over 3-4GB per month and only occasionally reach 5GB. I don't think 3GB would be enough as I'd be constantly worrying about going over, plus I'd have to workaround tethering. For now, I'm keeping my Verizon line until I am absolutely sure.
- Phones! GMS > CDMA if only for the flexibility the former has for phones. The floodgates are open on AT&T and T-Mobile, but Verizon takes longer to get phones, has less variety, and has complete control over them. I hate everything about what Verizon is doing, and it's clear they don't have geeks in mind that like to tinker and switch phones often. I change phones every 9-12 months usually, and AT&T is going to provide a better environment than Verizon for that. Not perfect, mind you. They still lock bootloaders, and have some draconian policies and practices, but by the nature of their GMS network, there is more flexibility.
- HTC One. I bought the One on AT&T before it was officially confirmed that Verizon would be getting it. So there is a part of me that thinks I should just return the AT&T version and wait for the Verizon version. However, I am not at all confident that Verizon won't screw it up or prevent HTC from allowing us to unlock the bootloader. And like I said, I'm just really tired of Verizon and their meddling. I may just end up keep both plans for a while, but right now I'm leaning towards keeping the AT&T version despite my unlimited data plan on Verizon.
Hope that helps.
Yes that was a great help. I am really torn because Verizon's coverage is so great. I know that ATT LTE went live here a little bit ago and I think the coverage is pretty good. Ironically I left ATT for the Droid on Verizon because of the lack of variety on ATT at the time. Thanks for your input.
honestly i would move to verizon right now if i could, in my area better coverage + better speeds
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Yes that was a great help. I am really torn because Verizon's coverage is so great. I know that ATT LTE went live here a little bit ago and I think the coverage is pretty good. Ironically I left ATT for the Droid on Verizon because of the lack of variety on ATT at the time. Thanks for your input.
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No problem. I know what you mean, I had AT&T a long time ago too and moved to Verizon when they changed their unlimited data policy. So it's ironic that I am now switching back. AT&T has done a good job of courting Android phone makers, and Verizon seems to be in the honeymoon phase of having the iPhone now. It's weird how things have flip-flopped! AT&T also has a few more consumer-friendly policies such as not forcing customers into a Share Everything data plan if you aren't already grandfathered in. They have rollover minutes (which I know isn't a big deal these day with people using voice less). And they have Mobile to ANY Mobile rather than just Mobile to Mobile, which is a small advantage I know.
But yeah, the primary consideration is how each carrier performs in your area. If both are good (like in my area), you have more options.
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honestly i would move to verizon right now if i could, in my area better coverage + better speeds
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Yes, if one carrier has better coverage and speeds in your area, then it makes sense to use that carrier. In my area, Verizon's LTE has been around for almost two years now and I rarely get more than 10 Mbps downloads. Usually it hovers around 5-9 Mbps, which is not even much better than AT&T's HSPA+, let alone LTE. And when my phones on Verizon drop down to 3G, it feels like dialup speeds. So far, AT&T is noticeable better for speeds between my HTC One and iPhone 5.
But again, YMMV and this is just a subjective observation on my part. To the OP, you could always give AT&T a shot for 14 days and compare the networks. If it doesn't work out, you can cancel and just pay the restocking fee. Just use the new phone with a new number, so you don't have to port and cancel your old line yet.
It all depends on your location really. I live near philly and the service has actually been a bit better on att then verizon from when i had them a few years ago. The speeds are also better on att thanks to it not being cdma but rather hspa. Overall I would never go back to verizon due to their prices and slower speeds unless I moved somewhere where they had clearly better service than all other companies.
So what about dropped calls. I barely have any on Verizon, but I remember having them on AT&T. Does being on LTE fix that or is it still a problem?
I went from Verizon (been a customer for 10 years) to At&t recently because my wife's office only gets At&t reception and we wanted to be on a Mobile Share plan instead of having two separate accounts (saves us around 40 a month). I've had an At&t line over the years for work, so I know the coverage isn't NEARLY as good as Verizon, especially LTE coverage in my area (At&t just went live on a few towers in my neck of the woods), but the savings is worth the sacrifice at this time.
Plus, as you said, being able to use most GSM phones on the network is a HUGE plus. Being able to run the Google Edition on my HTC One will be fantastic and I don't think Verizon is going to make it easy to run that software. Plus, as another guy mentioned above, that persistent Wifi thing Verizon does is sooooooo annoying. Almost as bad as At&t putting their name in the notification bar of the GS3/GS4. At least it goes away after a few seconds on the HTC One.
I haven't had many dropped calls on At&t, but calls are not what I do the most of, so I'm a bad barometer for that. I know the wife drops a bunch but I just attributed it to being the Nexus 4 and not a tried and true, tested, At&t phone. She has a GS4 now, so we'll see if that improves.
Anyway, in short, I did it for strictly monetary reasons, but the plus sides of At&t are numerous so it's not as bad as thought it would be.
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I went from Verizon (been a customer for 10 years) to At&t recently because my wife's office only gets At&t reception and we wanted to be on a Mobile Share plan instead of having two separate accounts (saves us around 40 a month). I've had an At&t line over the years for work, so I know the coverage isn't NEARLY as good as Verizon, especially LTE coverage in my area (At&t just went live on a few towers in my neck of the woods), but the savings is worth the sacrifice at this time.
Plus, as you said, being able to use most GSM phones on the network is a HUGE plus. Being able to run the Google Edition on my HTC One will be fantastic and I don't think Verizon is going to make it easy to run that software. Plus, as another guy mentioned above, that persistent Wifi thing Verizon does is sooooooo annoying. Almost as bad as At&t putting their name in the notification bar of the GS3/GS4. At least it goes away after a few seconds on the HTC One.
I haven't had many dropped calls on At&t, but calls are not what I do the most of, so I'm a bad barometer for that. I know the wife drops a bunch but I just attributed it to being the Nexus 4 and not a tried and true, tested, At&t phone. She has a GS4 now, so we'll see if that improves.
Anyway, in short, I did it for strictly monetary reasons, but the plus sides of At&t are numerous so it's not as bad as thought it would be.
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Thats what I am afraid of. My wife values the voice and I value the data. So dropped calls don't bother me as much, but it would really bother my wife. Especially coming from Verizon with very few dropped calls.
I dropped Verizon last year for AT&T and, despite the few rough patches everyone else has mentioned, it was worth it. No one can beat Verizon's LTE network coverage at this point, but I was so fed up with their other BS on updates and pretty scanty selection of phones that I did what you did and suspended my service for a month to see what happened. At first they weren't perfect, but I was fine with them and loved that I could go from a US SGS3 to an international One X without a hitch. Also, AT&T's coverage (both 3G and LTE) has expanded greatly in quality and quantity over the last 6 months where I'm at for work and everyday life. So now I've finally convinced my wife to drop them also and thus ending our 12 year run with Verizon and their devolution into Apple-like "It's our way or you don't need it" business model.
Will I ever go back? Not until I can buy a new phone from anywhere I want and activate it on their network. And I believe it'll be a cold day in heck before that is ever allowed to happen!
So I guess this is good news and bad news for T-Mobile users. The OnePlus 2 supports band 12. Awesome, right? Not quite. They did not get the T-Mobile VoLTE certification, so now those of us with T-Mobile face an issue. If you are in an area where band 12 is the strongest signal, you will likely not be able to receive/send calls or text because there is no VoLTE.
With that said - is there any way to "disable" a network band yourself in the software?
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So I guess this is good news and bad news for T-Mobile users. The OnePlus 2 supports band 12. Awesome, right? Not quite. They did not get the T-Mobile VoLTE certification, so now those of us with T-Mobile face an issue. If you are in an area where band 12 is the strongest signal, you will likely not be able to receive/send calls or text because there is no VoLTE.
With that said - is there any way to "disable" a network band yourself in the software?
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I may cancel my order since it hasn't shipped.
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The device will switch to H or H+ for voice calls even if LTE is the strongest. Its not really a setback, just an oddity.
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The device will switch to H or H+ for voice calls even if LTE is the strongest. Its not really a setback, just an oddity.
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No - it won't. According to multiple posters on the OnePlus forum, because the phone senses band 12 connectivity, it will not try and fall back. That's why T-Mobile asked the companies who did not meet their band 12 certification to disable the band - at least temporarily.
"This issue that came up with Moto E/G, was that phones with Band 12 support, but not VoLTE certification for that band. It made the phone look like it had service, but wasn't able to re-route the band to receive the call. Therefore, no calls/emergency calls were able to be made. For this reason, T-Mobile started requiring the VoLTE certification or the removal of the Band 12 support. "
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I may cancel my order since it hasn't shipped.
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Unfortunately since mine shipped (should be here today, actually) I can't do that. I do already have a buyer lined up for it and my Moto X Pure should be here today as well. I REALLY wanted the OP2 though so I'm disappointed.
Is there still no news on whether the OPT will get T-Mobile VoLTE with a software update, apart from the vague "yeah maybes" that were thrown around by Oneplus a few months ago?
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No - it won't. According to multiple posters on the OnePlus forum, because the phone senses band 12 connectivity, it will not try and fall back. That's why T-Mobile asked the companies who did not meet their band 12 certification to disable the band - at least temporarily.
"This issue that came up with Moto E/G, was that phones with Band 12 support, but not VoLTE certification for that band. It made the phone look like it had service, but wasn't able to re-route the band to receive the call. Therefore, no calls/emergency calls were able to be made. For this reason, T-Mobile started requiring the VoLTE certification or the removal of the Band 12 support. "
Unfortunately since mine shipped (should be here today, actually) I can't do that. I do already have a buyer lined up for it and my Moto X Pure should be here today as well. I REALLY wanted the OP2 though so I'm disappointed.
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I'm thinking about getting the Pure, but I may just hold off since there's problems with this device and TMO.
alhadee12 said:
I'm thinking about getting the Pure, but I may just hold off since there's problems with this device and TMO.
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Motorola is at least coming out with a VoLTE setting and bringing band 12 back. They've confirmed that multiple times on the forums. OnePlus hasn't addressed it at all since a Reddit AMA with a vague answer. The issue wouldn't be so bad if it was disabled - but since it's not disabled, there will be issues with T-Mobile.
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Motorola is at least coming out with a VoLTE setting and bringing band 12 back. They've confirmed that multiple times on the forums. OnePlus hasn't addressed it at all since a Reddit AMA with a vague answer. The issue wouldn't be so bad if it was disabled - but since it's not disabled, there will be issues with T-Mobile.
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Can't cancel mine now, it's processed for shipping.
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Synyster06Gates said:
No - it won't. According to multiple posters on the OnePlus forum, because the phone senses band 12 connectivity, it will not try and fall back. That's why T-Mobile asked the companies who did not meet their band 12 certification to disable the band - at least temporarily.
"This issue that came up with Moto E/G, was that phones with Band 12 support, but not VoLTE certification for that band. It made the phone look like it had service, but wasn't able to re-route the band to receive the call. Therefore, no calls/emergency calls were able to be made. For this reason, T-Mobile started requiring the VoLTE certification or the removal of the Band 12 support. "
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Are you sure about this? I have been reading up on this issue (including your discussion on the OnePlus forum) and most indications are that the device will fall back unless there is no available connection other than band 12. As written here:
"A Motorola employee explained recently that band 12 was removed from the Moto E (2015) at T-Mobile’s request over concerns that it could show that it has an LTE signal, but if all that it has is band 12, it couldn’t actually complete a call since it has no VoLTE support. While T-Mobile hasn’t officially commented on this matter, T-Mo spoke with Android Police off the record and said that any device on its network with band 12 also needs to support VoLTE and E911. Without VoLTE, band 12 phones on T-Mo are unable to make a call if they don’t have any other T-Mo service to fall back to, and they won’t know to roam onto another carrier’s network. Removing band 12 altogether eliminates this issue."
Not trying to argue with you or prove you wrong just trying to get some clarity on this issue while I still have time to cancel my order if need be.
It would be nice if someone with a OP2 on T-Mobile in an area with band 12 could comment.
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Also, this:
Due to lack of VoLTE support you won't be able to place and receive calls including 911 calls in some buildings and some outdoor areas where 2G GSM and 3G HSPA+ (marketed by T-Mobile as "4G") signal is too weak or non-existent while LTE band 12 is available. You will still have data connection and you can receive and place non-emergency calls via Google Hangouts app (using Google Voice number). To place an emergency call you will have to either move outdoors where 2G or 3G signal is available or disable LTE to make your phone roam on another GSM network.
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Are you sure about this? I have been reading up on this issue (including your discussion on the OnePlus forum) and most indications are that the device will fall back unless there is no available connection other than band 12. As written here:
"A Motorola employee explained recently that band 12 was removed from the Moto E (2015) at T-Mobile’s request over concerns that it could show that it has an LTE signal, but if all that it has is band 12, it couldn’t actually complete a call since it has no VoLTE support. While T-Mobile hasn’t officially commented on this matter, T-Mo spoke with Android Police off the record and said that any device on its network with band 12 also needs to support VoLTE and E911. Without VoLTE, band 12 phones on T-Mo are unable to make a call if they don’t have any other T-Mo service to fall back to, and they won’t know to roam onto another carrier’s network. Removing band 12 altogether eliminates this issue."
Not trying to argue with you or prove you wrong just trying to get some clarity on this issue while I still have time to cancel my order if need be.
It would be nice if someone with a OP2 on T-Mobile in an area with band 12 could comment.
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That's pretty much how I am. Though my OP2 showed up and I ended up selling it. I went with the Moto X Pure to be sure. Disappointed, I REALLY wanted the OP2
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It would be nice if someone with a OP2 on T-Mobile in an area with band 12 could comment.
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I have a OnePlus 2, and T-Mobile, but I'm unsure of how to check if my area has band 12....I went to this site here...
http://www.spectrumgateway.com/t-mobile-700a-spectrum
And it looks like I do? But I don't really understand the map. I am in Tampa, FL.
I just got the phone today, but so far it seems to be fully functional.
ArkAngel06 said:
I have a OnePlus 2, and T-Mobile, but I'm unsure of how to check if my area has band 12....I went to this site here...
http://www.spectrumgateway.com/t-mobile-700a-spectrum
And it looks like I do? But I don't really understand the map. I am in Tampa, FL.
I just got the phone today, but so far it seems to be fully functional.
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Thanks for posting, you can install this app. I've read you can also enter *#*#3282#*#* into the dialer and then tap LTE Engineering, but I can't get that to work on my OPO.
Thanks again
Synyster06Gates said:
No - it won't. According to multiple posters on the OnePlus forum, because the phone senses band 12 connectivity, it will not try and fall back. That's why T-Mobile asked the companies who did not meet their band 12 certification to disable the band - at least temporarily..
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I can confirm that the Oneplus Two on T-mobile when on Band 12 LTE will drop to H or H+ when a call comes in if you have reception on those. I'm guessing it will also drop to Edge/GSM if a call comes in and that's the only reception you have for voice. I just did it at work right now where I'm getting Band 12 LTE. I called my cell from my work phone and the status bar dropped to H. I'm in the Los Angeles Metro area.
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I can confirm that the Oneplus Two on T-mobile when on Band 12 LTE will drop to H or H+ when a call comes in if you have reception on those. I'm guessing it will also drop to Edge/GSM if a call comes in and that's the only reception you have for voice. I just did it at work right now where I'm getting Band 12 LTE. I called my cell from my work phone and the status bar dropped to H. I'm in the Los Angeles Metro area.
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Also confirming. After downloading that LTE Discovery app, it said that I was on Band 12. I called myself from my home phone, the connection dropped from LTE to 3G and the call came in.
ArkAngel06 said:
Also confirming. After downloading that LTE Discovery app, it said that I was on Band 12. I called myself from my home phone, the connection dropped from LTE to 3G and the call came in.
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That's what I said was gonna happen. Reward please!! I take payments in cookies.
I can confirm as well. No problems with T-Mobile and OP2. Someone buy the man a cookie.
I have a USA Oneplus 2 Im using T-mobile and i haven't had a single issue with the phone and it works for me on LTE band
my Signal is great in California.
No problem here in Orlando, Florida.
So...this post from a similar thread in the OnePlus forums made a lot more sense to me than anything else I've read about this.
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Some are getting confused in this thread.
Band 12 VoLTE support is important IF you have only Band 12 LTE coverage. Then you won't get any calls or texts since Band 12 penetrates buildings and rural areas better than the other Tmo bands.
If you're in an area that your connected to Band 12 BUT there are other bands around then your phone will switch automatically. No worries, you'll get calls and texts.
So if the OP2 doesn't support Band 12 VoLTE and you're not near any other Tmo bands then you'll not be able to make emergency calls or recieve texts.
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TLDR: if there is another band available, you're fine, if not, you won't get texts or calls until there is.
No problem here with my oneplus 2 in chicago, IL. LTE works great
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My US model (XQBC62) is has having trouble with 5G on T-Mobile. 5G connects only intermittently in NSA mode.
Sony support says:
I'm asking you this because at this moment Verizon is currently the only U.S. carrier that supports 5G on the Xperia PRO model. The 5G network service is not currently available in the Xperia 1 III model and this is why you're getting that issue. In this particular case we recommend you to check with your phone carrier if there is a way for them either to provide a different network service or if there is a work around on their system for you to use your Xperia phone with their service
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The Xperia 1 III phone does support 5G however at this moment the only phone carrier that provides 5G service on the Xperia phones in the USA is Verizon and at this moment they only support it on the Xperia Pro model. The phone carriers still working on providing the 5G service on all phone models they support and that depends on their coverage. I would like to give you a different solution however the phone service is covered by the phone's carrier and the best option you have is to contact T Mobile directly so they can further assist you with this issue
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I would like to give you a different answer Kevin but at this moment the phone carriers don't support 5G service on the Xperia 1 III model and this function will be available through future updates by the phone carriers.
5G isn't all that great yet, maybe never.
More limited range and more obstacle intolerant than 4G. Average users see a 20% speed increase when in range.
Don't sweat it...
T-Mobile has 5G on the 600 MHz Band 71 so their 5G coverage is literally better than their LTE coverage where there's high signal attenuation (trees, mountains, stucco buildings).
It's disappointing to go from an LG Velvet 5G to an Xperia 1 III and start losing signal everywhere.
Does turning Airplane mode on/off get it to reacquire the 4G signal?
May be a firmware issue meaning the phone doesn't react to the signal conditions appropriately.
Maybe disabling 5G if it's possible would yield better results.
I just got a new 4G N10+ in part because of issues like this.
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Does turning Airplane mode on/off get it to reacquire the 4G signal?
May be a firmware issue meaning the phone doesn't react to the signal conditions appropriately.
Maybe disabling 5G if it's possible would yield better results.
I just got a new 4G N10+ in part because of issues like this.
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Like I said, coverage and performance is better if it can do SA 5G.
Releasing a NSA 5G phone was forgivable a year ago, but TODAY? It's probably sucking more power by constantly switching between LTE and LTE+NR constantly rather than just using NR all the time like other phones.
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Like I said, coverage and performance is better if it can do SA 5G.
Releasing a NSA 5G phone was forgivable a year ago, but TODAY? It's probably sucking more power by constantly switching between LTE and LTE+NR constantly rather than just using NR all the time like other phones.
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Pretty much why I decided to avoid this hornet's nest.
Have you tried switching NSA and SA to use SA only?
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Have you tried switching NSA and SA to use SA only?
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That was the first thing I tried after I noticed loss of connectivity without LTE. SA mode disables 5G. I even tried powering it off for a while then powering it back on. Only NSA + SA and NSA work.
I have 5G coverage in Europe (italy) on Xperia 1 III, but it's limited to some cities (not operator) then i switched to 4G only mode.
here operator have NO phone limited 5G, you only need to have coverage
Excuse my 5G ignorance but...I use T-Mobile here in the US. I have 5G all day long if I want it. I rarely use it though because even though speed tests show that 5G is faster than LTE it also uses more battery. Also, there are times that while using 5G web pages load slower and YouTube videos buffer whereas when using LTE I have none of those issues. So while I agree that 5G is more gimmick than anything (for me) I still can connect to 5G without any issues at all so I am not sure what to think about the so-called Sony support answers????
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Excuse my 5G ignorance but...I use T-Mobile here in the US. I have 5G all day long if I want it. I rarely use it though because even though speed tests show that 5G is faster than LTE it also uses more battery. Also, there are times that while using 5G web pages load slower and YouTube videos buffer whereas when using LTE I have none of those issues. So while I agree that 5G is more gimmick than anything (for me) I still can connect to 5G without any issues at all so I am not sure what to think about the so-called Sony support answers????
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There are two types of 5G.
Early phones had "non standalone" meaning that NR was only a temporary booster. The phone shows "5G" all the time but it's only momentarily connecting and disconnecting NR while keeping LTE on. These phones don't know how to use NR by itself or for phone calls. This sucks battery life and it causes stalls in data transfer.
Modern phones have "standalone" 5G. This means that the phone can use any mix of NR and LTE together all the time, including only NR. There's no switching and the phone can use whatever works best.
My T-Mo Velvet 5G got a huge performance boost in cell data when it received the SA update. Lag and dropouts around town were 100% gone . When walking around town, it's on LTE 2 + LTE 66 + NR 71. It can lose any two of those bands and be fine. It beats any LTE phone in stability. (RF absorbing stucco houses around here)
My new Sony has a MUCH faster CPU but it's a step back in cell performance. It's using LTE 2 or 66 (not both) and switching NR 71 on and off for data transfer. I frequently take it out of my pocket and see that it has no cell reception. Signal Check says it has NR 71 and is trying to connect to LTE.
I'm hoping a software update eventually fixes this. Much like the fingerprint reader crashes, this is a shameful launch for Sony.
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There are two types of 5G.
Early phones had "non standalone" meaning that NR was only a temporary booster. The phone shows "5G" all the time but it's only momentarily connecting and disconnecting NR while keeping LTE on. These phones don't know how to use NR by itself or for phone calls. This sucks battery life and it causes stalls in data transfer.
Modern phones have "standalone" 5G. This means that the phone can use any mix of NR and LTE together all the time, including only NR. There's no switching and the phone can use whatever works best.
My T-Mo Velvet 5G got a huge performance boost in cell data when it received the SA update. Lag and dropouts around town were 100% gone . When walking around town, it's on LTE 2 + LTE 66 + NR 71. It can lose any two of those bands and be fine. It beats any LTE phone in stability. (RF absorbing stucco houses around here)
My new Sony has a MUCH faster CPU but it's a step back in cell performance. It's using LTE 2 or 66 (not both) and switching NR 71 on and off for data transfer. I frequently take it out of my pocket and see that it has no cell reception. Signal Check says it has NR 71 and is trying to connect to LTE.
I'm hoping a software update eventually fixes this. Much like the fingerprint reader crashes, this is a shameful launch for Sony.
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Well, assuming you know what you're talking about I appreciate your explanation of why I have stalls in data transfer and high battery use on 5G. Hopefully a software fix is possible and on Sony's radar. I have not experienced any fingerprint crashes nor have I heard anything about that. My fingerprint reader works great all the time. Anyway, thanks for the explanation!
Don't feel bad about "shameful" Sony launches.
Even Pixel's are dropping the ball as well as all the major brands. Too much, too fast...
Android 11 is the worst dropped ball of them all and that comes right from the top leaving the manufacturers with a mess they can't completely rectify. 2021 was a bad year for Androids. Google could have prevented much of this... Android, so secure it's unusable.
FWIW, the Pixel 6 seems to be swilling battery on 5G so most people are just disabling it. 5G was my original reservation on the 1 III, but now it seems less relevant so I'm considering returning my pixel and trying the sony.
Can anyone confirm that 5G radio can be shut down to save battery on the Sony? I'm pretty sure I'm reading that it can be, but want to be sure before I order. If it matters, I'll be on AT&T in the US.
Yes you can choose to NOT use 5G on this phone. I have turned it on/off several times and while speed tests show 5G as faster than LTE ... it uses more battery, and YouTube videos will buffer and web pages load more slowly??? Whereas on LTE none of those issues appear. So for now, at least on the 1 mark 3 - 5G is useless. Sad really but for me LTE runs everything just fine and fast!
Yes, well is any carrier on top of this?
Verizon's 5G rollout is going really... horrible.
T-mobile made this bold offer to boned AT&T and Verizon 5G users.
Anyone else contacted Sony about this? I posted a question here.
If this information is up-to-date, Sony disabled NR SA on all the bands used by T-Mobile.
Sony Xperia 1 III (US) (XQ-BC62) | 4G/5G Bands & Combos
4G & 5G Bands, Carrier Aggregation and Dual Connectivity Combinations for Sony Xperia 1 III (US) (XQ-BC62)
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This is weird because only T-Mobile has good NR SA coverage in the US.
I've tried to get customer service to forward this bug to engineering, but I don't think it happened (at least they provided no way for me to track it). And community support link I provided earlier just doing the typical finger pointing to blame the career.
I did a 5G comparison to a T-Mo LG Velvet 5G that does support SA 5G. The Velvet 5G has 10x the download performance but the Xperia 1 III has 10x the upload performance. When walking, the Velvet 5G produces a stable signal from carrier aggregation while the Xperial 1 III drops and reconnects frequently.
hi can anyone tell me if the radio in the pixel 6 is stronger than pixel 5? I'm using the unlock version for tmobile. Pixel 5 is ok but would like to know if pixel 6 is better and if the mmwave from pixel 6 pro is worth it.
(UK based) I've not noticed on 4G the signal showing any better than my Pixel 2 XL, but at a place it would show a low signal my Pixel 2 XL was impossible to use for web browsing, but the Pixel 6, whilst showing the same low signal was useable, not great, but did manage to bring up some web pages, so was able to work better with the rubbish reception.
As for mmWave and is it worth it I will let others answer that question as in the UK its as rare as hens teeth. I think it seems to have only been invented so they could market super fast headline speeds for 5G, and apart from that, has little practical benefit.
I have a Pixel 5a still and from my two days driving around I can say that the 5a has better 5G reception than the P6 so far. No mmwave on my P6 - I didn't want to shell out the extra $100 for ATT variant.
(US on ATT).
derausgewanderte said:
I have a Pixel 5a still and from my two days driving around I can say that the 5a has better 5G reception than the P6 so far. No mmwave on my P6 - I didn't want to shell out the extra $100 for ATT variant.
(US on ATT).
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damn well that sucks
I noticed (two days side by side usage) Pixel 6 reception far more spotty then iphone 12 Max Pro. US Northeast, Verizon Wireless. Both phone used concurrently. iPhone rock solid compared to Pixel. Even my old Pixel 4a is better than Pixcel 6.
YMMV.
I would not go by the signal strength icon right now on the P6. It needs to be tweeked with a software update to read more accurately.
The P5 had the same exact issue last year when it was released.
I don't really see any difference between the pixel 5 and 6 reception. They both are not great. I was hoping 5he January update would improve it some but it just fixed the complete disaster that was December update.
As far as mmwave it is not worth it. The reception on mmwave is so poor and it would cost so much money to deploy. Right now I think it is really only in sports stadiums and malls places where there's alot of people in a small area and also in areas where there is no Verizon FiOS access. Eventually it will grow but I think it's going to be years before it's good enough. They basically have to have a cell tower on every corner and that will take years. And sub 6 5g is basically LTE++
For me signal strength on pixel 6 in LTE networks (no 5G for my country) is same as on my colleagues' phones which at work is around -75 dBm. At my home signal is weaker at around -100 dBm but i stay connected to LTE and don't see any missed calls or inability to use internet. Unfortunately i have not measured signal at home with my old phone (oneplus 7) for comparison.
After all modem in Tensor chip is same as in the exynos chipset used in samsung galaxy s20 series. Sure newest qualcomm is better as well as the exynos in the s21 series but our modem should be pretty good when google learn how to adapt their software to it.
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I don't really see any difference between the pixel 5 and 6 reception. They both are not great. I was hoping 5he January update would improve it some but it just fixed the complete disaster that was December update.
As far as mmwave it is not worth it. The reception on mmwave is so poor and it would cost so much money to deploy. Right now I think it is really only in sports stadiums and malls places where there's alot of people in a small area and also in areas where there is no Verizon FiOS access. Eventually it will grow but I think it's going to be years before it's good enough. They basically have to have a cell tower on every corner and that will take years. And sub 6 5g is basically LTE++
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Verizon and AT&T are supposed to go live with C band today (unless you live near an airport). From what I have read, this seems like the only real benefit of 5G. It is supposed to fall between Sub-6 and mm wave for speed and range.
Does anyone know how to tell if I connected to it?
Whether due to the Jan update or the fact that I disabled 2G on my phone, the signal on my P6 improved significantly. I've never been able to get 5G at my home and now get mid to full signal.
Happy user...
derausgewanderte said:
Whether due to the Jan update or the fact that I disabled 2G on my phone, the signal on my P6 improved significantly. I've never been able to get 5G at my home and now get mid to full signal.
Happy user...
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Are you a Verizon or AT&T customer by any chance? The were supposed to enable C Band yesterday.
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Are you a Verizon or AT&T customer by any chance? The were supposed to enable C Band yesterday.
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oops, thought it's in my sig. ATT -US
What are your speeds now? I haven't noticed any great leaps in my area, also AT&T
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What are your speeds now? I haven't noticed any great leaps in my area, also AT&T
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I figured out why my speeds didn't increase. It's a very limited roll out
AT&T 5G+ gets a boost with C-Band in several US cities and on 17 phones
AT&T is jumping straight into C-Band 5G with coverage in eight metro areas and support for the network ready on several of its 5G phones.
www.androidcentral.com
I'm on TMobile P6, practically sitting on a tower, right off a major expressway, suburban, about 5 miles from major airport. Using Network Cell app, Playstore, I'm getting 5G about ⅔ of the time, average download speed, 300 Gbps. I'm using Speed Check & FCC for those tests though. The beta speed test in Network Cell is not quite ready for primetime. The rest of the app, is well developed, and been around for many years. Best speed from my previous device, LG V40 thin Q was 4G+ around average 150 mbps download. Signal strength around -92 to -102 for the P6, the LG was around -110.
I've seen a few posts saying you can cross flash so you can move your v60 from t-mobile to att. However none of them are very clear.
I am going to have to switch from t-mobile to att as t-mobile shut down the sprint network in an area I need to be with some regularity and now has near zero coverage. Their wifi calling doesn't work well either as it registers very slowly and doesn't stay registered.
I've waited over a year for t-mobile to deliver promised coverage replacements.
It's becoming more and more a problem as I need to be in the area more often. Would appreciate any details anyone can offer. I don't want to give up my v60 yet or have to buy one.
You will it informative. But please be advised that there is no firmware available for AT&T V60. So it is not possible unless your phone is factory unlocked by carrier.
You can't unless you don't mind it being a data-only device (and I can't guarantee even that will work). AT&T has a VERY select list (I believe this is by IMEI so cross-flashing will not help) of phones they allow to use VoLTE on their network. Other carriers' phones are not among them. You MIGHT be able to beg/harass customer service to whitelist your IMEI. I think I've read about that happening, but I might be thinking of Verizon. I wouldn't count on it though. AT&T has a vested interest in making you buy a phone you can't use anywhere else. They're not interested in BYOP mercenaries who want to try out their service for a month then bounce back to TMO or Verizon.
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You can't unless you don't mind it being a data-only device (and I can't guarantee even that will work). AT&T has a VERY select list (I believe this is by IMEI so cross-flashing will not help) of phones they allow to use VoLTE on their network. Other carriers' phones are not among them. You MIGHT be able to beg/harass customer service to whitelist your IMEI. I think I've read about that happening, but I might be thinking of Verizon. I wouldn't count on it though. AT&T has a vested interest in making you buy a phone you can't use anywhere else. They're not interested in BYOP mercenaries who want to try out their service for a month then bounce back to TMO or Verizon.
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Sure,you can crossflash the T-Mobile version with AT&T firmware regardless of the IMEI and it will work.I'm on A12 AT&T with a USC V60 and have no issues at all.It will be required to have the AT&T firmware on it for the IMS to configure properly.I did this back when AT&T shut their 3g down to work around it.
Arghtastic said:
I've seen a few posts saying you can cross flash so you can move your v60 from t-mobile to att. However none of them are very clear.
I am going to have to switch from t-mobile to att as t-mobile shut down the sprint network in an area I need to be with some regularity and now has near zero coverage. Their wifi calling doesn't work well either as it registers very slowly and doesn't stay registered.
I've waited over a year for t-mobile to deliver promised coverage replacements.
It's becoming more and more a problem as I need to be in the area more often. Would appreciate any details anyone can offer. I don't want to give up my v60 yet or have to buy one.
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The key thing,does AT&T work in that area?AT&T and T-Mobile are currently struggling trying to get 5g fully working in all areas and so far it's been a nightmare.I'm in Nashville,TN. and it's horrible in most areas.Even down to the 4g towers are degraded and data speeds are back to 3g speeds as we speak.It's not only T-Mobile at the moment.
Where did you get the AT&T firmware? And the process to cross flash?
Royaltiger said:
Where did you get the AT&T firmware? And the process to cross flash?
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This is 20q A11.I used QCFire and unchecked sid_a and sid_b.Works great!
LMV600AM Restore/Ugrade Guide
This restore process is intended for the AT&T V60 (lmv600am) model and will WIPE your data so back it up if you want to keep it! This process will restore the lmv600am to original factory state for the AT&T v60 v20q build (a11). I’ve dumped all...
forum.xda-developers.com
Surgemanxx said:
The key thing,does AT&T work in that area?AT&T and T-Mobile are currently struggling trying to get 5g fully working in all areas and so far it's been a nightmare.I'm in Nashville,TN. and it's horrible in most areas.Even down to the 4g towers are degraded and data speeds are back to 3g speeds as we speak.It's not only T-Mobile at the moment.
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Yes att works. No its not 5g in either case. Too rural. T-mobile for example replaced more rhan half a dozen towers for one town in the area with two. Two. Then wondered why people had no coverage.
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Yes att works. No its not 5g in either case. Too rural. T-mobile for example replaced more rhan half a dozen towers for one town in the area with two. Two. Then wondered why people had no coverage.
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I have been on AT&T for almost a month about how bad the service is around my home address.We have 1 tower in about a 10 mile radius that's trying to serve at least 10,000 subscribers every day and it's failing hard.I'm doing good to get 4 mbps down and .5 up.Yes,that's a dot in front of the 5..lol..I told them point blank,why shut down 3g when you can't even handle the load with 4g alone?My response was, "we're working on 2 towers that are planned to be upgraded to 5g by the end of the year."Those 2 towers haven't worked in 8 years I know of..lol...I remember when they activated 4g and it wasn't this bad.The worst part in the US we're down to 3 carriers period.T-Mobile,AT&T,and Verizon.The rest are all MVNO's so those don't account for anything..lol..
Surgemanxx said:
I have been on AT&T for almost a month about how bad the service is around my home address.We have 1 tower in about a 10 mile radius that's trying to serve at least 10,000 subscribers every day and it's failing hard.I'm doing good to get 4 mbps down and .5 up.Yes,that's a dot in front of the 5..lol..I told them point blank,why shut down 3g when you can't even handle the load with 4g alone?My response was, "we're working on 2 towers that are planned to be upgraded to 5g by the end of the year."Those 2 towers haven't worked in 8 years I know of..lol...I remember when they activated 4g and it wasn't this bad.The worst part in the US we're down to 3 carriers period.T-Mobile,AT&T,and Verizon.The rest are all MVNO's so those don't account for anything..lol..
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Tried a signal booster? I used to run a 3 watt (max legal) and it made service possible. Also If you have wifi/internet you may be able to request a microcel from ATT for free
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Tried a signal booster? I used to run a 3 watt (max legal) and it made service possible. Also If you have wifi/internet you may be able to request a microcel from ATT for free
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I'm working on a booster as we speak.It's become horrible the last couple of months,and all this 3g shut down crap.I have even down to started switching modem files on my LG devices in hopes it may help some.Time will tell..lol..