Hi all. I've been running my P6 as my daily driver since January, and have to say coming from mostly Samsung devices, I really enjoy it. I love being able to root without all the headaches too. But one thing has been a thorn in my side: dual SIM.
Specifically, ringtone. From my googling, seems it's impossible to set a different ringtone for each SIM (way to go Google) but I'm here asking if there would be any kind of workaround, be it different dialer, root avenue, anything? I'm desperate here!!
I use dual SIM for work because carrying two phones is a massive PITA, and although I don't mind having to go through hoops with an eSIM and whatnot, but the fact you can't set a different ringtone on the each SIM is... mind boggling. Add to that the only thing differentiating which SIM is calling or texting is a tiny little mention lost in a see of flashing, moving characters, it's just gross. (I mean for crying out loud there's an option to colour each SIM, but the phone ignores it!!!)
Only options I've found would be another device (d'uh) or a custom ROM; issue with that I haven't flashed a ROM in over 8 years and I feel like I'm losing out on a lot of what makes this phone good, notable Google Camera App (again, haven't flashed in a while, maybe you can still get that now?) And other device, well in Canada dual SIM phones are few and far between, and importing a phone - like I did before - results in really choppy signal performance and I live in the sticks...
Before I snap I figured I'd send one last beacon here... thanks for the input.
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Hi all. I've been running my P6 as my daily driver since January, and have to say coming from mostly Samsung devices, I really enjoy it. I love being able to root without all the headaches too. But one thing has been a thorn in my side: dual SIM.
Specifically, ringtone. From my googling, seems it's impossible to set a different ringtone for each SIM (way to go Google) but I'm here asking if there would be any kind of workaround, be it different dialer, root avenue, anything? I'm desperate here!!
I use dual SIM for work because carrying two phones is a massive PITA, and although I don't mind having to go through hoops with an eSIM and whatnot, but the fact you can't set a different ringtone on the each SIM is... mind boggling. Add to that the only thing differentiating which SIM is calling or texting is a tiny little mention lost in a see of flashing, moving characters, it's just gross. (I mean for crying out loud there's an option to colour each SIM, but the phone ignores it!!!)
Only options I've found would be another device (d'uh) or a custom ROM; issue with that I haven't flashed a ROM in over 8 years and I feel like I'm losing out on a lot of what makes this phone good, notable Google Camera App (again, haven't flashed in a while, maybe you can still get that now?) And other device, well in Canada dual SIM phones are few and far between, and importing a phone - like I did before - results in really choppy signal performance and I live in the sticks...
Before I snap I figured I'd send one last beacon here... thanks for the input.
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Sorry, ain't happening anytime soon, but it's certainly a good idea. The only thing I can think of is to set a separate ringtone for all of your contacts that call on one line (royal pain but I do it for some contacts) and leave it be for those that are work related. Separate phones are not even a decent alternative imo. Hey if you find something post it here, I could use it too.
Yeah I wish I could but I get calls from anyone and everyone, and to make matters worse some call me on my work phone AND personal. Since I travel a lot it's becoming a serious annoyance when roaming in particular.
If I find something out I'll share but like you said... I don't understand though, it's such an easy thing to implement you'd think. ALL other manufacturers do it!!
DenisEhm said:
Yeah I wish I could but I get calls from anyone and everyone, and to make matters worse some call me on my work phone AND personal. Since I travel a lot it's becoming a serious annoyance when roaming in particular.
If I find something out I'll share but like you said... I don't understand though, it's such an easy thing to implement you'd think. ALL other manufacturers do it!!
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I think DSDS is relatively new and not a lot of people use it. At least yet. Some workers get phones from the business and can't really use it for personal stuff and some probably don't want to expose themselves to enterprise snooping. So until it really takes hold we might be low on the totem pole. Apple has had DSDS for a year or so longer and I wonder if they implement separate ringtones. As of a couple of years ago they did not.
If you enable a work profile, you can choose different ringtones, notifications and alarms for the different profiles, and, if you have different accounts for different contacts it will show different icons for the contacts.
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If you enable a work profile, you can choose different ringtones, notifications and alarms for the different profiles, and, if you have different accounts for different contacts it will show different icons for the contacts.
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Ok you have my attention... are you talking about different ringtones for the SIM or for contacts? Because I have a work profile and I have tried that route - assigning the SIM to it - but can't seem to make it work. If you have some litterature on this I'd love to give it a second shot.
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I think DSDS is relatively new and not a lot of people use it. At least yet. Some workers get phones from the business and can't really use it for personal stuff and some probably don't want to expose themselves to enterprise snooping. So until it really takes hold we might be low on the totem pole. Apple has had DSDS for a year or so longer and I wonder if they implement separate ringtones. As of a couple of years ago they did not.
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I have seen a few comments on this online, but not going to lie, I don't quite grasp the difference between dual standby and dual active, or really what exactly makes a phone DSDS and another not. Can't say I see any practical difference between the Pixel 6 and my previous phone (S9 Duos), so maybe there's some fundamental concept eluding me. I'll read up on it...
Thanks folks!
DenisEhm said:
Ok you have my attention... are you talking about different ringtones for the SIM or for contacts? Because I have a work profile and I have tried that route - assigning the SIM to it - but can't seem to make it work. If you have some litterature on this I'd love to give it a second shot.
I have seen a few comments on this online, but not going to lie, I don't quite grasp the difference between dual standby and dual active, or really what exactly makes a phone DSDS and another not. Can't say I see any practical difference between the Pixel 6 and my previous phone (S9 Duos), so maybe there's some fundamental concept eluding me. I'll read up on it...
Thanks folks!
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It's really not that complicated so I'll try to walk you thru it. Dual standby (dsds) means that both lines are actively awaiting a call or text. However, when one rings and you answer the other sim goes inactive until you hang up. It will go to voicemail. Dual active is when a phone has two radios and both can make and receive calls at the same time. You can be on a call and the other line rings and you can put the first one on hold and answer the second call. Not many phone have two radios. They are expensive and they'd be large and more than likely use a lot of battery keeping both radios active.
Then there is the older technology which was DSSA (dual sim single active). There you had to either activate one line or the other but not both. So even if you weren't on a call and the eSim wasn't the primary you wouldn't get a call on that line. You could manually switch the active sim but they were not both on standby like DSDS.
So the only way to make a separate ringtone now would be for it to be implemented in the device or the software managing the sims. That is not available to my knowledge. Does this help you understand it a little better or did I confuse you even more?
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Ok you have my attention... are you talking about different ringtones for the SIM or for contacts? Because I have a work profile and I have tried that route - assigning the SIM to it - but can't seem to make it work. If you have some litterature on this I'd love to give it a second shot.
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It works on contacts, not on SIM cards, my mistake. At least I use it that way, as I don't have my coworkers saved on my main personal account it recognizes that the work contacts are on the work account.
bobby janow said:
It's really not that complicated so I'll try to walk you thru it. Dual standby (dsds) means that both lines are actively awaiting a call or text. However, when one rings and you answer the other sim goes inactive until you hang up. It will go to voicemail. Dual active is when a phone has two radios and both can make and receive calls at the same time. You can be on a call and the other line rings and you can put the first one on hold and answer the second call. Not many phone have two radios. They are expensive and they'd be large and more than likely use a lot of battery keeping both radios active.
Then there is the older technology which was DSSA (dual sim single active). There you had to either activate one line or the other but not both. So even if you weren't on a call and the eSim wasn't the primary you wouldn't get a call on that line. You could manually switch the active sim but they were not both on standby like DSDS.
So the only way to make a separate ringtone now would be for it to be implemented in the device or the software managing the sims. That is not available to my knowledge. Does this help you understand it a little better or did I confuse you even more?
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Well that's definitely easy enough, thank you! From this I'd say my S9 was also DSDS, and it had a very simple setting to choose the ringtone per SIM, therefore it's 100% doable. Just need software for it. Clearly Google doesn't give two pennies about it but I'm wondering if there would be another way (albeit probably root). I guess it's just not popular or widespread enough to warrant someone with the skills to actually look into it.
moxtrom said:
It works on contacts, not on SIM cards, my mistake. At least I use it that way, as I don't have my coworkers saved on my main personal account it recognizes that the work contacts are on the work account.
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Yes that's what I was afraid of. Like I said my problem is I don't deal with only cooworkers, I deal with a ton of random people and many using unlisted/private numbers, so I can't use that work around
bobby janow said:
It's really not that complicated so I'll try to walk you thru it. Dual standby (dsds) means that both lines are actively awaiting a call or text. However, when one rings and you answer the other sim goes inactive until you hang up. It will go to voicemail. Dual active is when a phone has two radios and both can make and receive calls at the same time. You can be on a call and the other line rings and you can put the first one on hold and answer the second call. Not many phone have two radios. They are expensive and they'd be large and more than likely use a lot of battery keeping both radios active.
Then there is the older technology which was DSSA (dual sim single active). There you had to either activate one line or the other but not both. So even if you weren't on a call and the eSim wasn't the primary you wouldn't get a call on that line. You could manually switch the active sim but they were not both on standby like DSDS.
So the only way to make a separate ringtone now would be for it to be implemented in the device or the software managing the sims. That is not available to my knowledge. Does this help you understand it a little better or did I confuse you even more?
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Bit off topic but something strange happened to me yesterday: I was on a conference call on one sim, and a call came in on the other sim! I could answer it, switch calls, the whole 9 yards. Wouldn't this be impossible in theory on DSDS?
DenisEhm said:
Bit off topic but something strange happened to me yesterday: I was on a conference call on one sim, and a call came in on the other sim! I could answer it, switch calls, the whole 9 yards. Wouldn't this be impossible in theory on DSDS?
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Yes, that's impossible.
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Yes, that's impossible.
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Except... It 100% happened!? Was on the phone on the eSIM (personal), and the work SIM rang as call waiting. Could answer, decline, send message etc. Just not merge. I was on WIFI calling but I can't imagine that would mean anything. Oh well I'm not complaining but it's still odd...
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Except... It 100% happened!? Was on the phone on the eSIM (personal), and the work SIM rang as call waiting. Could answer, decline, send message etc. Just not merge. I was on WIFI calling but I can't imagine that would mean anything. Oh well I'm not complaining but it's still odd...
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I believe you're right. I think it will work with Wifi calling, which I don't have on. I'll try it tomorrow.
My crystal ball says;
Sims will be obsolete in a few years when data goes beyond 5G technology.
VOIP maybe the future.
@DenisEhm I can't seem to get calling wifi on. I had it some years ago but it kept dropping out and I finally gave up on it. But if you say it works then I'm sure you are correct. Good to know. As for @vandyman pay no attention to him. Gone off the deep end. But he knows his stuff for sure when he puts away that crystal ball.
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Okay, now I'm just plain confused. I have the same missing call issues everyone else is having, either missing the call completely, or getting a missed call notice without the actual call. One time I even got the missed call notice like half an hour after the call.
Anyway, I'm used to all that. But just recently, it's doing something different. I received a call, and knew it once I saw the voicemail show up in my Google Voice inbox. I checked my phone when I saw that, and it was ringing. Apparently my volume was down and I didn't catch it, but I'd assume it had been ringing for a while. But there was nothing about any incoming or missed call. Nothing about calls at all. Aside from the fact that it was ringing, it was completely normal. The ringing didn't stop until I made an outgoing call of my own.
So apparently it got something about the call. At first, I'd assumed it was just a Google Voice notification, but I don't have Voice installed on my phone. So something's making my phone...phantom ring when I get a call, but not telling me about the call in any way.
I'm running MIUI with the Glitch kernel, but this has only been the last two or three calls I missed that did this. Even with the same ROM and kernel, it was fine before.
Anyone have any experience with this? I'm not even sure how to explain it. But if my phone's gonna recognize when someone's calling, it'd be much nicer if I was given an option to answer it.
Hm... I've had the phantom ring and I've had the missed calls, but never at the same time.
Phantom ring is a problem with the cm7/miui ROMS and missed calls is a problem with the handset. So, technically, if you were impatient, you could call Verizon tech support and get a new phone because of the missed call issue and be done with it entirely. Otherwise, you can wait to see if Verizon releases a new OTA to fix the call issue (Check out the ED05 stuff... that's a newly leaked upgrade, but idk what it does), which (hopefully) will fix the phantom ringer as well by allowing the phone to pick up the call correctly.
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Hm... I've had the phantom ring and I've had the missed calls, but never at the same time.
Phantom ring is a problem with the cm7/miui ROMS and missed calls is a problem with the handset. So, technically, if you were impatient, you could call Verizon tech support and get a new phone because of the missed call issue and be done with it entirely. Otherwise, you can wait to see if Verizon releases a new OTA to fix the call issue (Check out the ED05 stuff... that's a newly leaked upgrade, but idk what it does), which (hopefully) will fix the phantom ringer as well by allowing the phone to pick up the call correctly.
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I'd have just chalked it up to coincidence, but to do it twice in a row like that, it just seems unlikely. I've heard of some phantom ring issue before, but like you said, never when a call should be coming through.
I wouldn't be against having it replaced, but that's not really an option for me. For one, I bought it from someone on Craigslist rather than Verizon, so I'd assume they wouldn't like that. And even putting that aside, I'm not even technically a Verizon customer. I'm with PagePlus. So I figure I'll have to make the best I can of this, or buy another on my own. And really, aside from the missed call issue, I've been loving the Fascinate, so I'd rather not give it up.
It was doing so well for a while, until I flashed MIUI. I don't regret that, though. MIUI is great.
Yeah, I get what you're saying... In which case, wait for the new fix that Samsung is *supposedly* working on to come out and one of the devs to patch it into cm7/miui or a new radio. If anyone else knows of any legit fixes as of now, I'd like to know as well.
In the meantime, it looks to everyone like you're selectively screening your calls - it makes you more mysterious
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Yeah, I get what you're saying... In which case, wait for the new fix that Samsung is *supposedly* working on to come out and one of the devs to patch it into cm7/miui or a new radio. If anyone else knows of any legit fixes as of now, I'd like to know as well.
In the meantime, it looks to everyone like you're selectively screening your calls - it makes you more mysterious
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I really wish I could trust Samsung's word on that.
...I really wish. Unfortunately, Samsung doesn't have the most sparkling record when it comes to fixing software issues. Of course, assuming they're footing the bill for these replacements, I'd imagine they probably would want to get it worked out as soon as they can.
There's some new radio in the dev forum, but I'm unsure about that. Nothing's really specified as to whether it's a leaked radio or what. I'd rather not risk flashing it until I know that it's not gonna kill my signal completely or anything.
Well, I've got a bit more info on this. ...Unfortunately, it makes no more sense at all. It would appear that my phone has decided that it won't receive calls with the screen off at all.
If the screen's on, call comes through as normal. If it's off, it simply does nothing at all. The screen doesn't come on, it doesn't ring, nothing. Then once I do turn the screen on, it does the phantom ringing until I do something to stop it. Even if the screen's turned back off. It's also worth mentioning that the ring isn't even my own ringtone. It's the default...ring ringtone.
If I turn the screen on while the call is coming through, it turns on like it's waiting for me to answer the call. As soon as I hit the button, it's showing me the phone screen and starts ringing with my normal ring.
It's worth nothing that it also does this immediately after being locked. So I don't think it's a sleep mode issue. It shouldn't have time to go into sleep mode. Of the issues I've had with missed calls before, I usually need to leave my phone untouched for a while. Not the case here.
It wasn't doing this before, though. And I didn't change anything that should cause it.
...Or maybe I did. Seems turning off the stay awake option in settings worked it out. Hopefully, anyway. Won't know for sure until it...well, doesn't miss calls.
I got my rezound on Dec 3rd at Amazon Wireless during that 1 cent sale.
The first one had some issues, so since then I've had 1 replacement.
I know its past the date of no return, but curious what my options would be, and what you guys think I should do.
People constantly complain that my voice is cut off often, and/or muddled, yet the always sound good to me. At this point i'm thinking its a signal issue. I have the extended battery and this problem gets worse when i'm using it.
So, tonight the fiance tells me that my phone is low, to speak up, blah blah. Well I am speaking up and its frustrating. These are issues that one shouldnt have to deal with on a new device.
My previous phones: Motorola Rokr (I think), LG Chocolate, Motorola Droid, and the HTC Incredible didnt know exhibit these issues at all, and I never once had anyone complain in the last 5 years till I got the HTC Rezound.
I'm holding the phone in multiple ways, making sure not to cover any holes.
What would you do? Is the only thing I have available to me is going through Amazon Wireless for a refurb? Or is this a build quality that I will experience again and again. BTW, I live in a city, with excellent 4g coverage, and I know a neighbor has a new Moto Razr with 0 issues, and he rubs it in quite often.
Thanks for any advice you have to offer.
Update: Well I got my Razr Maxx and have played with it a few hours. Anything I say is just my opinion, so don't shoot me.
The Maxx's call quality is better, and the callers said I sound much more clearer than any of my other phones (Chocolate Touch, Incredible, Rezound). I'm getting a bit better signal (dbm) here at my place, but I care about the quality of my calls and my data connection the most, and they are doing fine.
The camera isnt as bad as ive been reading in the reviews. The pictures i've taken are lacking a tad bit of sharpness that the Rezound had. This could be fixed via a 3rd party app. Will look into it.
The UI is about as smooth. But the wallpaper in Motoblur scrolls with the screen and it still keeps the smoothness. I installed Go Launcher EX and its as smooth as the incredible for me. On the Rezound Go launcher was fairly blah performance wise.
Smart actions rock. I usually use Tasker and smart actions does enough that I won't be loading tasker until I see a need.
The display, well, nothing beats the Rezounds display. HD movies on the Maxx are decent, but not as sharp as the Rezound. I believe the Rezound has 90 PPI or so on the Maxx and you can tell.
The speaker for music sounds decent, with a bit more bass (on a speaker that small, not sure you want to call it bass), and sounds pretty good.
Battery Life is great, but with a 3300 mah battery, what do you expect. I already set a smartaction for 12:30am to 7:00am to turn off wifi, data, turn on airplane mode (wasnt sure if airplane on this phone would disable wifi), and a few other things. Good stuff, but nothing that a third party can't do.
Motoblur seems to have apps to do Remote Desktop, and DLNA works fine with my WDLIVEPLUS box.
I've already rooted, and froze some Verizon Apps.
I know this is a Rezound forum and you are probably asking "Why is he talking about a dang Maxx?!" A few pm'ed me to just compare the two phones once I got it. I won't be doing a review or anything
i'd check to make sure the antenna contacts on the extended battery cover are making a secure connection with the phone. possibly try applying a slight amount of electrical grease to each contact.
Update: I'm on my third Rezound now, and all have had the problem with my voice periodically not being heard or muffled to the person I am calling.
I'm baffled as to why I am having these issues.
A customer service rep actually advised me to activate my old Incredible on my line (and give up my unlimited 4g) until HTC has a fix for my problems. Yea right.
I wrote a long letter to Verizon, and if I don't hear back from them today I'll be contacting Corporate.
I'll try to get into another phone I suppose, but I don't like my choices: GNexus (crappy signal), Razr (crappy battery). There is the Razr Maxx, but I'm sure they wont even offer to replace me with that.
*Sigh*
dccoh said:
Update: I'm on my third Rezound now, and all have had the problem with my voice periodically not being heard or muffled to the person I am calling.
I'm baffled as to why I am having these issues.
A customer service rep actually advised me to activate my old Incredible on my line (and give up my unlimited 4g) until HTC has a fix for my problems. Yea right.
I wrote a long letter to Verizon, and if I don't hear back from them today I'll be contacting Corporate.
I'll try to get into another phone I suppose, but I don't like my choices: GNexus (crappy signal), Razr (crappy battery). There is the Razr Maxx, but I'm sure they wont even offer to replace me with that.
*Sigh*
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The update that came out fixed voice issues...
Did you update?
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The update that came out fixed voice issues...
Did you update?
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Yes, I did the OTA on two of the replacement phones. I still had the problem before and after. Thanks for looking out though.
Yet another update: I talked to verizon support again about my Rezound and the issues. They offered me a Thunderbolt, Charge, Bionic, or a Revolution.
I told them that I would take no less than a Nexus or Droid Maxx at this point. He said that those phones are not on his list. The phones he offered are a big step down from the Rezound, so I declined. Not sure what to do at this point, but I did ask him to escalate this (he was a supervisor) and he put in a ticket to have it escalated.
If anyone ever has any advice regarding my situation, please feel free to chime in.
I'll post as my saga continues, even though I'm sure no one really cares
Hmmm. I'm interested. My wife says I sound muffled at times when I'm on the rezound. I never thought of it as an actual phone issue.
My experience with this is
1. Seems to be when I'm on speaker.
2. Never happens when I'm using ear piece.
3. Updated radio and it since hasn't happened but once when on speaker.
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I'll post as my saga continues, even though I'm sure no one really cares
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Thanks for fighting the good fight.
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Hmmm. I'm interested. My wife says I sound muffled at times when I'm on the rezound. I never thought of it as an actual phone issue.
My experience with this is
1. Seems to be when I'm on speaker.
2. Never happens when I'm using ear piece.
3. Updated radio and it since hasn't happened but once when on speaker.
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You could be experiencing similiar hardware issues, or possibly something to do with the noise canceling microphone. I wish you luck though since I know this muffled sound problem can be annoying, but at least i'm not alone (although i've only heard of 2 other people with similar issues).
Feb 3rd Update: Talked to Verizon yet again about my muffled sound issues. I received an email from HTC today asking me to have Verizon re-provision my account, update my prl (i was on 15098 and Verizon updated me to the same 15098), and to try a new sim card.
None of the fixes have worked. The Verizon tech called my phone as a test and within 10 seconds it started happening. I made her away of my escalation call from last night, and she said it could take a week or so for a return call since the escalation would involve a Director of something.
She credited my account $50 for my issues thus far, and is going to call me back at the end of the day as a follow-up.
*Sign* The Saga continues, but I want a plot twist where I can a working phone that I don't have to forward calls to my third line. (at least my old LG Chocolate Touch still works fine).
Really, dumb question.. are you holding the phone to far up your face. What I mean, I came from the OG droid and it was much smaller phone so when I started using the Rezound I thought the sound was way to low, people couldn't hear me ..etc.. I found I was holding the phone to high on my face so the speakers were above my ear and my microphone was almost by my upper lip. I adjusted how I held the phone and haven't had any issues since.
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Really, dumb question.. are you holding the phone to far up your face. What I mean, I came from the OG droid and it was much smaller phone so when I started using the Rezound I thought the sound was way to low, people couldn't hear me ..etc.. I found I was holding the phone to high on my face so the speakers were above my ear and my microphone was almost by my upper lip. I adjusted how I held the phone and haven't had any issues since.
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I have tried holding the phone in multiple different ways. I have to admit, I feel stupid having to try holding it different ways since its a...well...phone.
I've recorded my own calls to myself via google voice to test it out, and the 'muddled' issue happens via speaker, or a normal call. I have even held the phone 2 inches in front of my mouth directly and callers will still complain of not being able to hear me or understand me. I have also tested different things like putting my finger over the noise canceling microphone with no change in my problems.
Thanks for the question though. I'm convinced that i've been subjected to Gamma Radiation without my knowledge and thats why i'm having phone issues. In that case, I hope that Verizon fixes this soon with a resolution or a different phone, because they wont like me when i'm angry.
Both of mine have done this, before and after the OTA.
This is the problem when phone companies are so crazy about getting the latest and greatest out the door to beat the competition. All they care about are sales. As long as it is working 90%, just push it out the door, and by the time people are pissed off you will be selling the next phone.
These phones don't get much QC testing, that much is certain. How many of the issues over the years would have been obvious if someone actually just carried the phone around and used it for just a single day? Most of them, I wager.
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I have tried holding the phone in multiple different ways. I have to admit, I feel stupid having to try holding it different ways since its a...well...phone.
I've recorded my own calls to myself via google voice to test it out, and the 'muddled' issue happens via speaker, or a normal call. I have even held the phone 2 inches in front of my mouth directly and callers will still complain of not being able to hear me or understand me. I have also tested different things like putting my finger over the noise canceling microphone with no change in my problems.
Thanks for the question though. I'm convinced that i've been subjected to Gamma Radiation without my knowledge and thats why i'm having phone issues. In that case, I hope that Verizon fixes this soon with a resolution or a different phone, because they wont like me when i'm angry.
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Don't think this has been mentioned or not, but have you tried talking through a bluetooth? Just curious. That would rule out a mic issue if it still persists even talking through bluetooth. Then I would say you are having network issues?
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Don't think this has been mentioned or not, but have you tried talking through a bluetooth? Just curious. That would rule out a mic issue if it still persists even talking through bluetooth. Then I would say you are having network issues?
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I can say that I have talked on bluetooth about 10%-15% of the time and I don't get complaints. Then again my phone sits in one spot, and maintains signal better? The reason I did not test this thoroughly is because the option of talking on bluetooth only well isnt an option.
I know that is not what you were hinting at, but I feel its a device issue and not a network, but don't quote me on that.
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Both of mine have done this, before and after the OTA.
This is the problem when phone companies are so crazy about getting the latest and greatest out the door to beat the competition. All they care about are sales. As long as it is working 90%, just push it out the door, and by the time people are pissed off you will be selling the next phone.
These phones don't get much QC testing, that much is certain. How many of the issues over the years would have been obvious if someone actually just carried the phone around and used it for just a single day? Most of them, I wager.
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You are had two do this? So you know my pain!
Do you still have the phone and does it still do it?
I agree totally that these phones don't get tested enough and are sent out the door. At this point honestly, despite how much I love the phone, I'd rather have something else.
I told them I don't want another 3-4 phones sent to me. I'm really pushing for a new handset at this point, a different brand totally.
Anyway I wish you luck also. I'll keep this thread updated so that other's like myself (that are beyond the return window wherever you bought it) can hear about my trials and tribulations.
Finale: After over a dozen calls and 7+ hours on the phone with verizon, along with sending out emails to the CEO, Regional Manager, Relations, and all major executives, I received a call today from one.
To make this short, Razr Maxx is on the way, and will be here this week. Verizon Wireless could of made this easier, instead of making unrealistic guidelines for some customer issues.
When I was with Alltel I swear I would of had such an easier time with the customer service. I do not ever remember having to jump through hoops just to come to an agreement.
For any following my plight, Thanks for reading and for the helpful pms.
Good luck with your new phone.
Post back how you like it, I'm honestly curious.
I have two coworkers that have the original RAZR and absolutely hate them, but one of their main complaints is the awful battery life on a battery you can't swap out.
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Good luck with your new phone.
Post back how you like it, I'm honestly curious.
I have two coworkers that have the original RAZR and absolutely hate them, but one of their main complaints is the awful battery life on a battery you can't swap out.
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I'm a network admin and have a few guys at work that have a razr maxx, a nexus, and a revolution.
They usually say that the maxx has done the best for signal in and about different buildings (on server platforms with a ton of computer equipment etc). They said with generous use of the Smart Actions feature, and with generous moderate use, they get 2 days. They always seem to have a phone in their hand (they say) so im not sure what moderate use is to them (all network engineers etc). The nexus guy says his battery is gone before 5, and he often cant make calls in these random buildings. The lg revolution guy says he hates his signal and battery life, and that lg is taking forever with update and fixes.
Of course user experiences differ from person to person, so I too am curious on how the Maxx will fare with me. I'm extremely critical on my phones, and a very moderate use person (1+hours a day in calls, facebook &twitter updated every 15, emails pushed, streaming music 1-2 hours a day, games 1+hours a day, etc).
Look for a comparison here after ive had it a day or two, and will compare it to the 2+months that i've had the Rezound.
I updated the OP with my few hours of experience with my Maxx (the replacement for my 3 Rezounds).
Am I the only person that's noticed the cover up (or at best complete overlooking) of the 920 MANY issues?
Let me say, I own(d) a 920 and I loved it so much I looked past all its flaws, and I dealt with a lot. Previous owner factory reset it right in front of me and we know what that means. I spent the next 12 ****ing hours unbricking the thing just so I could use it! Now, after owning the 920 a freakin week, it stops reading my SIM card suddenly so now I'm back with android.
I just notice that no tech site has EVER run any articles about the litany of major issues with this phone. Hell even in the forums nobody seems to have put it together! Am I the only one who sees it??
Bricking on factory reset
Battery life issues
Black screen on calls
Hardware buttons randomly not working, requires soft reset
Phone suddenly stops reading SIM cards
I'm sure I'm missing some but those are the one I dealt with. Am I alone?
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I've been using the 920 for 2.5 months now and I have none of your issues. I had the restart bug but it got fixed with portico update. also there is some dust under the FFC but i don't care because it is not on the lense and it don't use it anyway.
i know about black screen and factory reset bug but i read for the 1st time that there should be major problems with the SIM card or the hardware buttons.
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Am I the only person that's noticed the cover up (or at best complete overlooking) of the 920 MANY issues?
Let me say, I own(d) a 920 and I loved it so much I looked past all its flaws, and I dealt with a lot. Previous owner factory reset it right in front of me and we know what that means. I spent the next 12 ****ing hours unbricking the thing just so I could use it! Now, after owning the 920 a freakin week, it stops reading my SIM card suddenly so now I'm back with android.
I just notice that no tech site has EVER run any articles about the litany of major issues with this phone. Hell even in the forums nobody seems to have put it together! Am I the only one who sees it??
Bricking on factory reset
Battery life issues
Black screen on calls
Hardware buttons randomly not working, requires soft reset
Phone suddenly stops reading SIM cards
I'm sure I'm missing some but those are the one I dealt with. Am I alone?
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Previous owner. Maybe that is your problem.
Son Loves it!!
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Previous owner. Maybe that is your problem.
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My son has had the 920 since it came out...Other than *****ing about the lack of the most popular apps (instagram, temple run, Jetpack Joyride...etc) the phone has been nothing but flawless. He will never give it up because he is an xbox junkie lol
i've had it for almost 2 months now..
only issue i've had is the crashing (normally every couple of days), since updating seems ok so far...I've flashed a few 'roms' to it, EE branded and normal
I thought the screen going blank in calls was supposed to happen? Like to save power? last couple of phones i've had turn the screen off when you put it to your head?
I'll be honest, i'm a little disapointed in windows phone 8, after coming from 7 with no crashes for a year (apart from once when i started messing with the registry) I found windows phone 8 quite shocking, coming from android/windows mobile i'd say its not to bad, but in someways it seems a downgrade. But so far no crashes with the latest update, and i'm hoping it stays that way, but honestly, I have a feeling your issues are isolated.
Also had the chance to use the new nexus 4 the other day, if theres a cover up going on, i'd say its those who say android is smooth and responsive....
I've been using my 920 for a month and haven't encountered any of your problems. The only thing I don't like about my 920 is that there is no app so far to automatically switch phone profile according to time and location.
I'm shocked 2 of you have had no problems. Search Google for any of the problems I listed and you'll find loads of people with the same issues.
Id get another one but I can't afford to keep buying phones when one ****s up. And yea the screens supposed to go black when you put it to your head but it was going black and staying like that so I could end calls, use the num pad, use speaker phone, or any of that. I found a work around but the proximity sensor is supposed to work
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I'm shocked 2 of you have had no problems. Search Google for any of the problems I listed and you'll find loads of people with the same issues.
Id get another one but I can't afford to keep buying phones when one ****s up. And yea the screens supposed to go black when you put it to your head but it was going black and staying like that so I could end calls, use the num pad, use speaker phone, or any of that. I found a work around but the proximity sensor is supposed to work
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Search google for ANY electronic device followed by the keyword 'issue / problem' and you are sure to get pages of results. People that don't have problems (most people) typically don't post about it while people with issues regularly post because they want the issue resolved. This gives an artificial bias to the negative and only reinforces the already tainted view of people in a mindset that something is rubbish.
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Search google for ANY electronic device followed by the keyword 'issue / problem' and you are sure to get pages of results. People that don't have problems (most people) typically don't post about it while people with issues regularly post because they want the issue resolved. This gives an artificial bias to the negative and only reinforces the already tainted view of people in a mindset that something is rubbish.
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I agree, since the last update I haven't had very many problems at all. And since I haven't been having issues I haven't been coming to the forums as much. I just come in every once in a while now to see if there's anything new. I'm not constantly hounding for an answer to my problems on a daily basis since I don't have problems. It's my guess that other people who have perfectly working phones would have like minds as me... or just not visit the forums at all.
No bricking during factory reset (had to do it once and I'm not going to do it again just to prove a point).
Battery life is awesome.
Hardware buttons are working fine.
Blank screen during calls isn't an issue for me since the proximity sensor works almost all the time, I think.... at least, it hasn't been a big enough concern for me that I actually notice it.... guess I should keep track of it.
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Pre-portico
No stability issues, but craptastic daylight camera and bluetooth connectivity issues
Portico:
Unstable. Reboots at least twice a day.
Good daylight camera
Good bluetooth connectivity.
Think people have to make a choice about the portico.
unstable and functional or stable and unfunctional.
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I've been using my 920 for a month and haven't encountered any of your problems. The only thing I don't like about my 920 is that there is no app so far to automatically switch phone profile according to time and location.
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This is also the main thing I'm missing, coming from Nokia N8 the situations was really a great app...
I think Nokia lumia phones in general have a lot of issues, as does Windows Phone. It's just there are so few users even if there was a problem, it would seem isolated. Microsoft's share in the smartphone market didn't even budge at all in 2012. WP users are not power users so they just run back to the store to get an exchange. Even the lumia 920 forum at wpcentral.com is slow as molasses. 90% of the posts are very shallow anyway. Most don't even know what screen size their phone is or what processor its running. the camera is just AMAZING and the phone is PERFECT, over and over again. Of course, this forum isn't any better. The only difference being the plethora of unlock threads, because xda is international.
Your description of WP users is fairly accurate & the market segment MS is going after. The enthusiast market is small & even on Android accounts for a very small % of sales. The easiest way to solve an issue is by exchanging the phone, if you have that option available to you. A lot of issues people are having are either caused by defective hardware or a bad flash IMO, which is an issue on any of the platforms.
Do people not expect bugs and hiccups at launch for these kinds of devices?
It happens. And it's not as bad as you perceive; it's not a conspiracy.
AW: The great Lumia 920 conspiracy.......
If ms allows developers create store accounts for free I bet there would be more apps on store.,.
I get what you guys are saying, but phone busting issues like that black screen on calls and bricking on hard resets shouldn't be common enough to have a thread full of people experiencing them.
If anyone knows of any way to get the phone to read SIM cards again, I'd like your help. I still miss using my lumia 920 :'(
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I have experianced just about every issue in this thread. I have users of the 920 I support for other stuff and I see how they basically ignore them as they did on their Blackberry or iPhone. I had the brick issue... news flash as I posted in another thread, it is not bricked!!! use the Nokia Care Suite, gets you going no problem. During my day I may deal with just about every phone they see at an AT&T store (Tmobile, Sprint,or Verizon for that matter)... they all have issues. Have you ever seen an iPhone user change their password on their laptop and not update the iPhone? Lets say you need to get to something before updating that password, like they changed the server setting trying to update it... go ahead try it. Drop calls, Steve Jobs had to properly instruct dumb iPhone users how to hold an iPhone. Andriod, perfect????? WTF are serious?? And becuase of that piece of software, it does not matter what hardware you are talking about.
My phone is limited compared to Andriod, I can agree with that.... but I can do more with fewer Apps and I like that. The 920 has had some hiccups along the way, but the hardware I have right now is as solid as any other phone out there, actually physically a tougher phone then any other top tier phone.
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This is exactly what I was trying to get at. These sorts of issues and threads are everywhere for many high profile smartphone launches, especially lately with this insane obsession with HW spec wars.
I've seen much worse, many times, you will not buy a high end smartphone at launch these days without having some sort of worry that there will be a game-breaking bug or defect.
WP 8 for 3 months:
NO ISSUES
POWER USER (i had portico when the first roms were available on navi)
my question is, are all these faulty devices on ATT or another crap american service , cause i think this may be your problem, ive had to work on vodaphone orange tmobile and ee 920's and 820's and i can say with pride that the only issue people have is the lack of popular apps., there is no conspiracy. why the eff are you people needing to hard reset anyway wtf are you doing to your phones?
I have to admit I've been having freezing issues regularly, often when it's just sat on my desk or in my pocket, and almost every night while on USB charge. I've also noticed on the odd occasion a reboot, but only because of my SIM being PIN locked.
Mine was a German Vodafone one, which I flashed on day 1 to the CV_GB ROM, then again to CV_GB Portico ROM. Maybe I'll try a different one, as I've heard the EE one has fewer issues.
I got mine yesterday and so far I don't know what this watch was made to do. I love the curved design and the large screen, but why add a SIM card and make it not a stand alone device? Personally I would rather have a thinner watch.
Controlling this device is a head ache to me, the scrolling is sometimes glitchy, the keyboard is oddly shaped and apps don't load information like it should. I owned the first Gear watch and thought it was a cool first step in the right direction of smart watches but some how I feel the first Gear worked better.
I am taking mine back and waiting for a thinner one to come out that functions smoother.
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I got mine yesterday and so far I don't know what this watch was made to do. I love the curved design and the large screen, but why add a SIM card and make it not a stand alone device? Personally I would rather have a thinner watch.
Controlling this device is a head ache to me, the scrolling is sometimes glitchy, the keyboard is oddly shaped and apps don't load information like it should. I owned the first Gear watch and thought it was a cool first step in the right direction of smart watches but some how I feel the first Gear worked better.
I am taking mine back and waiting for a thinner one to come out that functions smoother.
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Kind of, one biggy is not being able to add tasks or reminders. I don't know why but that buggs the crap out of me. I was able to with the first and 2nd gen gear watches. It was said this watch would have more support and more apps but from the looks of it the parts of the SDK for this watch seem to be broken thus slowing down app development.
Where are the thousand apps that was said to be avail at launch? I only see maybe 300 apps? (I have a note 4 that should show all of them you would think)
The watch is cool, don't get me wrong. I like it and I like the ability to make calls and receive calls and notifications when I am away from my phone... Im just dumbfounded that you can do something as simple as add a reminder or a task lol. S voice is hit or miss too. S voice on the Gear 2 was on point! (I kinda miss my gear 2)
I think it needs many sw updates and apps to reach its full potential.
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I think it needs many sw updates and apps to reach its full potential.
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Yeah the big question is if there is development. I already feel that gear 2 was abandoned and the gear s isn't far behind
I am thinking the smartwatch development cycle is so short, that a given watch is abandoned before it's peak is reached.
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I got mine yesterday and so far I don't know what this watch was made to do. I love the curved design and the large screen, but why add a SIM card and make it not a stand alone device? Personally I would rather have a thinner watch.
Controlling this device is a head ache to me, the scrolling is sometimes glitchy, the keyboard is oddly shaped and apps don't load information like it should. I owned the first Gear watch and thought it was a cool first step in the right direction of smart watches but some how I feel the first Gear worked better.
I am taking mine back and waiting for a thinner one to come out that functions smoother.
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It is still a standalone device so I'm not sure how you mean it isn't.
As for the glitches it could either be hardware issues or software, but thinness doesn't seem to be anything that could help.
We are early adopters and with that comes risk but I haven't had problems that would disappoint me to the point of wanting to return it.
It is an advancement for me. But hurry up and take it back if it irritates ya. It isn't for everyone.
if anything I think this watch has exceeded my expectations. I expected to hate the size, hate the batter, hate the useability. I have been please on every aspect.
Sure we need more apps. Some of us are working on that.
If you were expecting custom ROMs and someone porting android then this is not for you. That will likely never really be the case.
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if anything I think this watch has exceeded my expectations. I expected to hate the size, hate the batter, hate the useability. I have been please on every aspect.
Sure we need more apps. Some of us are working on that.
If you were expecting custom ROMs and someone porting android then this is not for you. That will likely never really be the case.
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Oh God no, the farther away from Android I can go the better. I only want root so I can dig around in it to learn.
Where are sound files kept, what is the file structure. Pull and push for light modding.
This watch reminds me of the N900. Sooooo much potential ...
My issues with this watch ates the swype key doesn't work all the time. It completely doesn't choose the word I was spelling. The dang call forwarding almost never works. I constantly get error messages that it can't connect to my phone remotely, my phone will be sitting in a good signal area. And a few times i had to restart the gear because all of a sudden it couldn't read the Sim card. These little issues make me regret buying it.
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I got mine yesterday and so far I don't know what this watch was made to do. I love the curved design and the large screen, but why add a SIM card and make it not a stand alone device? Personally I would rather have a thinner watch.
Controlling this device is a head ache to me, the scrolling is sometimes glitchy, the keyboard is oddly shaped and apps don't load information like it should. I owned the first Gear watch and thought it was a cool first step in the right direction of smart watches but some how I feel the first Gear worked better.
I am taking mine back and waiting for a thinner one to come out that functions smoother.
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I actually am loving it. Screen is great, connection or remote connection works well, and I love the scrolling on it, as it seems smooth and more fun. I had Gear 1 and 2, and find this far superior so far. Battery very good, even with Always on mode going I get a full day. Bluetooth works well with my headset at the gym, and emails seem to work better, as I can read full Exchange emails, as long as I clear out the notification after each one. News updates are really cool looking too.
I'm not terribly disappointed - I think the device itself is a feat in design however, I do have gripes with the software capabilities and not being able to respond to things like notifications directly from the device.
I think when more apps/updates are developed for the device, the experience/usability will drastically improve.
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My issues with this watch ates the swype key doesn't work all the time. It completely doesn't choose the word I was spelling. The dang call forwarding almost never works. I constantly get error messages that it can't connect to my phone remotely, my phone will be sitting in a good signal area. And a few times i had to restart the gear because all of a sudden it couldn't read the Sim card. These little issues make me regret buying it.
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Yours is defective. Exchange it.
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I'm not terribly disappointed - I think the device itself is a feat in design however, I do have gripes with the software capabilities and not being able to respond to things like notifications directly from the device.
I think when more apps/updates are developed for the device, the experience/usability will drastically improve.
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I just my Gear S yesterday and I'm impressed with the design just like I am with the Note 4. I bought the Notifications app to be able to reply. I'm still trying to figure that out. The Gear S looks huge but surprisingly feels like a normal watch to me. I can see it wouldn't feel right if you have tiny wrists though. I'm going to test the watch out for 14 days and see how much I'll use it.
I just feel Samsung didn't put much effort in this device as they have in their phones.
I personally hate that it has its own sim card and it seems that it without a sim slot and the chipset for 3g and wifi it could be a thinner device and still do what most people need it to. I just find it silly to have WiFi and 3g when you can't download it's own apps and not to mention the price difference.
I really thought it would have better apps first and 3rd party since Samsung isn't new to the watch market.
I do like the way the watch looks aside from it being thicker than I think it should be. I own a Note 4 and Note 3 and I think the Note 4 looks better but the Note 3 feels better in hand. Also I fail to understand why the Note 4s screen sticks out further than its bezels unlike the Note 3 where the bezels are out to protect the screen.
I am totally in love with mine. I love that it has its own SIM card slot, which is also why I bought it. For active people, it's a great device, because they can leave their cell phones at home (they are just too darn big these days).
I wish it had a few of the apps I use on my watch, and in general many more apps, and that Samsung would be straight-forward about which tablets work with it and which don't.
Also, I never saw the point of a wrist worn second display to your phone, but now that I have the Gear S, I can even see the appeal of the other (SIM-less) smart watches.
What I hate, though, is that Samsung sells it carrier-locked in the US. The sheer amount of work I have done so far in trying to get an unlocked version is insane, and I am still not done.
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My issues with this watch ates the swype key doesn't work all the time. It completely doesn't choose the word I was spelling. The dang call forwarding almost never works. I constantly get error messages that it can't connect to my phone remotely, my phone will be sitting in a good signal area. And a few times i had to restart the gear because all of a sudden it couldn't read the Sim card. These little issues make me regret buying it.
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May I ask, which carrier version of the watch do you have, and what kind of SIM is in it?
I'd like to know because I am currently using the T-mo version with a T-mo card and have not had any such problems, however, I also have an unopened ATT version that I am waiting to get unlocked (I'll return the tmo one).
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I am totally in love with mine. I love that it has its own SIM card slot, which is also why I bought it. For active people, it's a great device, because they can leave their cell phones at home (they are just too darn big these days).
I wish it had a few of the apps I use on my watch, and in general many more apps, and that Samsung would be straight-forward about which tablets work with it and which don't.
Also, I never saw the point of a wrist worn second display to your phone, but now that I have the Gear S, I can even see the appeal of the other (SIM-less) smart watches.
What I hate, though, is that Samsung sells it carrier-locked in the US. The sheer amount of work I have done so far in trying to get an unlocked version is insane, and I am still not done.
May I ask, which carrier version of the watch do you have, and what kind of SIM is in it?
I'd like to know because I am currently using the T-mo version with a T-mo card and have not had any such problems, however, I also have an unopened ATT version that I am waiting to get unlocked (I'll return the tmo one).
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My swipe is more accurate than I thought it would be but less than on the keyboards I use on my Note 4.
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My swipe is more accurate than I thought it would be but less than on the keyboards I use on my Note 4.
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I have to say, I can't figure out how to best use the keyboard. It detects the actual letter I want to type maybe 50% of the time at most.
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I just feel Samsung didn't put much effort in this device as they have in their phones.
I personally hate that it has its own sim card and it seems that it without a sim slot and the chipset for 3g and wifi it could be a thinner device and still do what most people need it to. I just find it silly to have WiFi and 3g when you can't download it's own apps and not to mention the price difference.
I really thought it would have better apps first and 3rd party since Samsung isn't new to the watch market.
I do like the way the watch looks aside from it being thicker than I think it should be. I own a Note 4 and Note 3 and I think the Note 4 looks better but the Note 3 feels better in hand. Also I fail to understand why the Note 4s screen sticks out further than its bezels unlike the Note 3 where the bezels are out to protect the screen.
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The Note 4 has a 2.5D glass screen with the chamfored aluminium contour to give it a more premium look. It has definitely made a difference and makes the phone feel silky smooth. I really don't think the plastic trim around the Note 3 protected it much and it certainly wasn't attractive. People complained like hell to Samsung regarding premium design, they listened and they delivered and people are still moaning.
As for the Gear S, well looks are subjective and I for one believe it looks stunning. The thickness is down to many factors like a decent speaker, bigger battery, sensors and the sim tray. Comparing it to the Galaxy Gear and the LG G watch r, it's about the same in thickness. The fact it curves round the wrist makes it seem less bulky.
It's not silly to have a 3G and Wifi feature, it's what makes the watch stand out from the others. It's not meant for downloading apps, it's for use when your phone is unavailable. I believe you are missing the whole concept. If you want a thin fashion watch then this isn't the right watch for you and I doubt Samsung ever intended it to be fashionable. It's a techies dream and as far as I am concerned is the best smartwatch out there right now. Granted it is expensive but early adoption is always so. The same reason there aren't thousands of apps for it just yet.
My answer to the original question of whether I am disappointed with the Gear S. . it's an easy and resounding NO!
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I just find it silly to have WiFi and 3g when you can't download it's own apps
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But what even just wifi gives you is at, say your office or home, you can leave your phone sitting on your desk or nightstand and roam freely about the place and still get calls and notifications on the Gear S.
Which to me, is awesome. And clearly better than the Gear Live (which can only helpfully remind you you've left your phone out of range when you walk into the next room)
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I have to say, I can't figure out how to best use the keyboard. It detects the actual letter I want to type maybe 50% of the time at most.
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There are three keyboards. Perhaps one of the others will work better for you?
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There are three keyboards. Perhaps one of the others will work better for you?
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I'll try out the others. Haven't even checked for other keyboards - duh!
The Pixel, with its Tensor chip and machine learning, can somewhat adapt to the phone user's habits, right? That's why battery life improves, maybe the phone gets hot at first, then doesn't as I've seen people imply here (and was my experience), and so on.
Then you have all the complaints here. The phone sucks, it gets hot, the battery is terrible, etc. And when people do complain about bugs what is usually the first advice they get? Reset it. But in some cases isn't that exactly the wrong thing to do with this phone? With a device that adapts to your usage isn't a wipe the last thing you'd want to do? Or am I giving the whole "machine learning" thing too much credit? I ask because I visit a Telegram thread and a user there was complaining. Someone asked if he had reset the phone and he replied "yes, a few times".
I don't know about overheating and other problems, but w/r/t battery life? I agree. These phones absolutely get better battery life over time, and frequent resets are probably disruptive of that process.
In fact i am quite happy with this phone. If it was not the epic fail with the december update breaking phone connectivity and the way it was handled otherwise i don't have any problems. Camera is top notch especially when shooting in RAW and battery life for me is between 1 and 2 days (depends how much i use it). I think that with few more updates bugs will be fixed and we will have very good phone with regular updates just like the old pixels. The only thing i hope to change are these stupid 5G, volte and vowifi limitations imposed by google for most countries.
You will always get people complaining about any new phone/device.
Some people are more dramatic than others.
Any new device is not a 100% perfect. There will always be bugs on a new device.
Bottom line is if you hate it that much. Sent it back and get a refund.
Or buy a POS crapple and be a sheep.
Wait a second guys. Let's call a spade a spade. The device was not ready to be released until the December update was fixed. Past the 15 day period there is no returning the phone so put that aside, it's a non issue. You can't be saying that connectivity is fine, it's not. Don't even get me started on the FPR. Be real and acknowledge what is broken. Call screening is gone, on hold is gone, there is basically no transfer from wifi to network without a reboot. That is unacceptable and no amount of calling those complaining sheeple is going to change that. I've owned every Google device since they started coming out with hardware and this device is the worst they've ever released. Do I like the phone, yes I do. Would I trade it in, no. But there are serious problems and you must admit it without criticizing those that do. Calling Google out is not being unfaithful it's just being real.
edit: that being said I did bootloader unlock the device and I'm running ProtonAOSP non rooted. FPR is way better but connectivity is still the December radio which is awful. The rom is better that what Google has out now. Just sayin'.
android_dan said:
The Pixel, with its Tensor chip and machine learning, can somewhat adapt to the phone user's habits, right? That's why battery life improves, maybe the phone gets hot at first, then doesn't as I've seen people imply here (and was my experience), and so on.
Then you have all the complaints here. The phone sucks, it gets hot, the battery is terrible, etc. And when people do complain about bugs what is usually the first advice they get? Reset it. But in some cases isn't that exactly the wrong thing to do with this phone? With a device that adapts to your usage isn't a wipe the last thing you'd want to do? Or am I giving the whole "machine learning" thing too much credit? I ask because I visit a Telegram thread and a user there was complaining. Someone asked if he had reset the phone and he replied "yes, a few times".
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It doesn't adapt to anything except to determine what kind of advertising you would be most susceptible to so that gooble can target you most profitably. All this "AI" and "machine learning" crap is just buzz words that really do NOT imply any of the amazing scifi ideas of machines actually thinking. Don't get overly carried away with marketing buzzwords.
Nidstang said:
I don't know about overheating and other problems, but w/r/t battery life? I agree. These phones absolutely get better battery life over time, and frequent resets are probably disruptive of that process.
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Increased battery life is tied to calibrating the battery level gauge.
vandyman said:
You will always get people complaining about any new phone/device.
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You mean aside from apple, which is actually a fashion accessory and nobody actually expects it to work well. I see lots of apple people with nothing that works, and they just shrug it off as "that's just what phones are".
bobby janow said:
Wait a second guys. Let's call a spade a spade. The device was not ready to be released until the December update was fixed. Past the 15 day period there is no returning the phone so put that aside, it's a non issue. You can't be saying that connectivity is fine, it's not. Don't even get me started on the FPR. Be real and acknowledge what is broken. Call screening is gone, on hold is gone, there is basically no transfer from wifi to network without a reboot. That is unacceptable and no amount of calling those complaining sheeple is going to change that. I've owned every Google device since they started coming out with hardware and this device is the worst they've ever released. Do I like the phone, yes I do. Would I trade it in, no. But there are serious problems and you must admit it without criticizing those that do. Calling Google out is not being unfaithful it's just being real.
edit: that being said I did bootloader unlock the device and I'm running ProtonAOSP non rooted. FPR is way better but connectivity is still the December radio which is awful. The rom is better that what Google has out now. Just sayin'.
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Well said, and very true!
I am SO tired of users saying "well MY device works just fine, YOU must be doing something wrong!". That's exactly the response I see everywhere as soon as someone has any complaint about the P6. The "only" issue I had was the almost total loss of reception after the December update ... I'd like for those users to tell me how I did something wrong there? I wanted to root after the update anyway, so I unlocked, rooted and flashed the mid-November radio.img which brought my reception back up to the 3-4 bars I had before the botched Google update (which had taken it down to 0-1 bar).
Google just letting P6 users sit + wait now, those on locked bootloaders with crappy reception, is what pisses me off most of all. I am long past the 2-week return period so I'm stuck with the device. But I've been letting it sit, half the time on Airplane mode, on my desk for weeks now while my actual daily driver is the OP 5T.
I'm just waiting for "proper" custom roms now to finally get some options ... or until the eBay prices for the P6 go back up so I can sell it without losing too much. The next person that tells me that "Google are the best + fastest with updates for their devices!" will get tarred + feathered by me for sure
Nimueh said:
Well said, and very true!
I am SO tired of users saying "well MY device works just fine, YOU must be doing something wrong!". That's exactly the response I see everywhere as soon as someone has any complaint about the P6. The "only" issue I had was the almost total loss of reception after the December update ... I'd like for those users to tell me how I did something wrong there? I wanted to root after the update anyway, so I unlocked, rooted and flashed the mid-November radio.img which brought my reception back up to the 3-4 bars I had before the botched Google update (which had taken it down to 0-1 bar).
Google just letting P6 users sit + wait now, those on locked bootloaders with crappy reception, is what pisses me off most of all. I am long past the 2-week return period so I'm stuck with the device. But I've been letting it sit, half the time on Airplane mode, on my desk for weeks now while my actual daily driver is the OP 5T.
I'm just waiting for "proper" custom roms now to finally get some options ... or until the eBay prices for the P6 go back up so I can sell it without losing too much. The next person that tells me that "Google are the best + fastest with updates for their devices!" will get tarred + feathered by me for sure
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While you're waiting try ProtonAOSP rom then reflash the November radio. That's what I did and it's running rather swimmingly. Still some issues but definitely worth a shot especially if it's just sitting on the desk.
bobby janow said:
Wait a second guys. Let's call a spade a spade. The device was not ready to be released until the December update was fixed. Past the 15 day period there is no returning the phone so put that aside, it's a non issue. You can't be saying that connectivity is fine, it's not.
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I disagree. I don't deny that some people may have connectivity issues, but I can say that I do not. I find connectivity to be excellent. However, my carrier has only up to LTE, no 5G as of yet. This could be why, either flaws in 5G connectivity, or new and patchy 5G networks. Maybe try limiting it to LTE and see how that works out?
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Don't even get me started on the FPR.
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Fingerprints are not good for security, especially when it comes to anti-self-incrimination laws, since it is not knowledge based. Consequently, I'd have to categorize finger print unlock to be more of a gimmick than a real feature.
bobby janow said:
Call screening is gone, on hold is gone,
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Hold works perfectly. Isn't call screening a feature of the google dialer?
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there is basically no transfer from wifi to network without a reboot.
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You must be mistaken about that. I transfer from wifi to carrier all the time -- MANY times per day, never had to reboot.
96carboard said:
I disagree. I don't deny that some people may have connectivity issues, but I can say that I do not. I find connectivity to be excellent. However, my carrier has only up to LTE, no 5G as of yet. This could be why, either flaws in 5G connectivity, or new and patchy 5G networks. Maybe try limiting it to LTE and see how that works out?
Fingerprints are not good for security, especially when it comes to anti-self-incrimination laws, since it is not knowledge based. Consequently, I'd have to categorize finger print unlock to be more of a gimmick than a real feature.
Hold works perfectly. Isn't call screening a feature of the google dialer?
You must be mistaken about that. I transfer from wifi to carrier all the time -- MANY times per day, never had to reboot.
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But you can't deny that many many many people are having serious problems. The fact that you're not is good for you. That's about it. Call on hold is gone. Perhaps you didn't know what I meant..
96carboard said:
I disagree. I don't deny that some people may have connectivity issues, but I can say that I do not. I find connectivity to be excellent. However, my carrier has only up to LTE, no 5G as of yet. This could be why, either flaws in 5G connectivity, or new and patchy 5G networks. Maybe try limiting it to LTE and see how that works out?
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I disabled 5G on day one since my carrier doesn't have 5G coverage in my area yet, and STILL the connectivity issues are there. Google stopped the OTA, admitted there are problems and then even deleted the files from their update server so YES, there is a huge connectivity problem on the P6(P). Just because YOU don't have those problems doesn't mean they don't exist
bobby janow said:
While you're waiting try ProtonAOSP rom then reflash the November radio. That's what I did and it's running rather swimmingly. Still some issues but definitely worth a shot especially if it's just sitting on the desk.
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Nah, those "custom" roms that are out yet don't have any customization (yet?), so I'll pass. I am helping test the Renovate Ice module though, which is slowly adding tweaks/features again. RiCE was the reason I was able to stay stock on my OP7 for 2 years, so fingers crossed it will help with this P6 too.
Nimueh said:
I disabled 5G on day one since my carrier doesn't have 5G coverage in my area yet, and STILL the connectivity issues are there. Google stopped the OTA, admitted there are problems and then even deleted the files from their update server so YES, there is a huge connectivity problem on the P6(P). Just because YOU don't have those problems doesn't mean they don't exist
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I suspect that you see a low reading in the signal meter and THINK that it means you have connectivity problems. Yes, it reads really low, but holds signals and works well despite that.
bobby janow said:
Call on hold is gone. Perhaps you didn't know what I meant..
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Perhaps you aren't explaining what you mean properly, because hold works perfectly.
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Perhaps you aren't explaining what you mean properly, because hold works perfectly.
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The hold for me while I'm waiting to speak with a representative. It will then alert you when someone picked up. That stopped working for me.. But really small potatoes compared to the other issues.
96carboard said:
I suspect that you see a low reading in the signal meter and THINK that it means you have connectivity problems. Yes, it reads really low, but holds signals and works well despite that.
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No, I didn't "think" it was bad - if calls don't go through or disconnect mid-call then that's not an issue with the display of the signal strength, but one with the SIGNAL itself. None of that happened any more after flashing the mid-November radio.img.
Why do you think Google stopped pushing the OTA and removed the files from their servers? Certainly not because they were bored, but because they KNEW there were issues.
So please stop assuming that 1000s of users are simply too stupid to handle a phone or only think they have an issue. YOU got lucky, great - but please don't treat those of us that have reception or fp or whatever issues like we don't know what we're doing!
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All this "AI" and "machine learning" crap is just buzz words that really do NOT imply any of the amazing scifi ideas of machines actually thinking. Don't get overly carried away with marketing buzzwords.
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That reply sure was a buzz kill. I was sure by this time next year the phone would be cutting my grass and doing the laundry.
vandyman said:
You will always get people complaining about any new phone/device.
Some people are more dramatic than others.
Any new device is not a 100% perfect. There will always be bugs on a new device.
Bottom line is if you hate it that much. Sent it back and get a refund.
Or buy a POS crapple and be a sheep.
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C'mon man, yes there's always people who complain at first or some growing pains.. But this phone has serious issues. I feel like people who are making light of these problems with the p6 are just trying to justify their purchase
opz187 said:
C'mon man, yes there's always people who complain at first or some growing pains.. But this phone has serious issues. I feel like people who are making light of these problems with the p6 are just trying to justify their purchase
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The only people that are having any issues are the people that keep their phone stock. And most of them do not even know that they have a bad device.
Most people that come to the XDA forums are modders of some sort.
I honestly do not have any issues after making changes to the P6 to suit me.
I understand some people are having issues and most are self inflected.