Morning all. My pixel 6 (non pro) is being delivered today and I've been looking through the forum, as I always do for a new phone, to try and see what recommendations people have. Despite seeing lots of issues in the 'press' with battery life and Android 13 (downgrading / bricking), I can't see what the general consensus is here and peoples experiences seem to differ.
Is upgrading to Android 13 worth it? Does it actually fix the battery life issues?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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carlo497 said:
Just look here reddit
Best way is make a clean, fresh install - flash.android.com
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Socialist media sites here are frowned upon.
Plus the site rules say so...
carlo497 said:
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Reddit? Where 90% of problems are user-made. Not a good advice especially when you are in a forum where specialist are really here to help.
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thermomonkey said:
Morning all. My pixel 6 (non pro) is being delivered today and I've been looking through the forum, as I always do for a new phone, to try and see what recommendations people have. Despite seeing lots of issues in the 'press' with battery life and Android 13 (downgrading / bricking), I can't see what the general consensus is here and peoples experiences seem to differ.
Is upgrading to Android 13 worth it? Does it actually fix the battery life issues?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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Intermediate level rooter/phone tinkerer here. First thing I did when getting my P6 was to unlock, upgrade to A13, and root, so I have no context for what A12 was like. What I can say is battery life has been amazing for me. Albeit I am not a heavy user (only play COD mobile every once in a blue moon). Most of the time it's just phone, text, browser, music and YouTube use. I am actually testing the battery right now, and I am at 27% since unplugging at 100% 40 hours ago, so I am completely happy. On pace to be a 2 day battery for me. YMMV.
In regards to how I like A13, I am coming from A11 on a Oneplus device, and I have to say I miss the old style quick toggles personally. But I am also one that doesn't mind getting used to new software. I know this can annoy others quite a bit. The rest of the OS issues I have are not version related, they are me missing OxygenOS features like screen gestures to play/pause music, turn on flashlight, modify status bar icons, ect. I really miss them, but have turned my back on Oneplus due to their recent decisions (constant lack of IP ratings, no wireless charging, removing the alert slider, constant price creep, subpar cameras) so the only easy to root alternative that addresses my above frustrations is the Pixel line.
That being said, any Pixel you buy brand new is gonna start with A12, which is very close to A13. So again, YMMV with how you acclimate to the new OS version.
Hope this helps
Also, the fingerprint reader on this phone is way better than the one on my Oneplus 8T, that thing was absolute garbage IMO...like 30-40% success rate. This P6 one is completely satisfactory for me, rarely have a failure. When I do, it's usually due to moisture or dirt. But any in screen reader has these issues, not isolated to P6. Only solution is to have a physical reader like the Sony Xperia or the like.
I know I probably seem like the minority here, it seems most people have horrible experiences with the P6 reader, just saying me personally it has been great. Also, my above great experience is WITH a tempered glass protector on and have NOT increased the touch sensitivity like the instructions seem to indicate a need for.
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Intermediate level rooter/phone tinkerer here. First thing I did when getting my P6 was to unlock, upgrade to A13, and root, so I have no context for what A12 was like. What I can say is battery life has been amazing for me. Albeit I am not a heavy user (only play COD mobile every once in a blue moon). Most of the time it's just phone, text, browser, music and YouTube use. I am actually testing the battery right now, and I am at 27% since unplugging at 100% 40 hours ago, so I am completely happy. On pace to be a 2 day battery for me. YMMV.
In regards to how I like A13, I am coming from A11 on a Oneplus device, and I have to say I miss the old style quick toggles personally. But I am also one that doesn't mind getting used to new software. I know this can annoy others quite a bit. The rest of the OS issues I have are not version related, they are me missing OxygenOS features like screen gestures to play/pause music, turn on flashlight, modify status bar icons, ect. I really miss them, but have turned my back on Oneplus due to their recent decisions (constant lack of IP ratings, no wireless charging, removing the alert slider, constant price creep, subpar cameras) so the only easy to root alternative that addresses my above frustrations is the Pixel line.
That being said, any Pixel you buy brand new is gonna start with A12, which is very close to A13. So again, YMMV with how you acclimate to the new OS version.
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Thanks for your replies, much appreciated. Can I ask why you root? I used to routinely do this many years ago and infact did it recently to my Poco F2 bit that was purely to enable call recording. I find the lack of being able to properly use banking apps / Google pay too big a price to pay.
I've not got my sim card in yet so using WiFi only. My phone seems to be getting quite hot? Not doing much very intensive, just downloading and installing apps. It's been off a few minutes now and it's still warm. Battery drain also seems a little high albeit I've been downloading lots of programmes.
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Thanks for your replies, much appreciated. Can I ask why you root? I used to routinely do this many years ago and infact did it recently to my Poco F2 bit that was purely to enable call recording. I find the lack of being able to properly use banking apps / Google pay too big a price to pay.
I've not got my sim card in yet so using WiFi only. My phone seems to be getting quite hot? Not doing much very intensive, just downloading and installing apps. It's been off a few minutes now and it's still warm. Battery drain also seems a little high albeit I've been downloading lots of programmes.
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Absolutely! Reasons I root:
1. Adaway - block all ads system wide,
2. Vanced YouTube - block YT ads, extra customization like swipe controls
3. Did I mention I HATE ads with white hot passion??
4. Tasker root required modifications
5. Ability to nuke any bloat app I want
6. Call recording
7. Other Magisk modules that I have used in the past but have not tried/not supported on A13 yet.
8. I just personally like having control over software I use. Any future mod I could possibly desire I would have the access required to implement
No concern with apps blocking you due to rooting, that is fixed by USNF and Zygisk denylist
In my experience, anytime I am setting up a new phone they get warm. Also to note, these newer builds of Android require about 5-7 day "break in" period, where the OS is optimizing based on your usage. After that period is when battery life settles down.
If I'm not mistaken with the P6/P6P once you upgrade to A13, you cannot downgrade back to A12. So something to consider.
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Absolutely! Reasons I root:
1. Adaway - block all ads system wide,
2. Vanced YouTube - block YT ads, extra customization like swipe controls
3. Did I mention I HATE ads with white hot passion??
4. Tasker root required modifications
5. Ability to nuke any bloat app I want
6. Call recording
7. Other Magisk modules that I have used in the past but have not tried/not supported on A13 yet.
8. I just personally like having control over software I use. Any future mod I could possibly desire I would have the access required to implement
No concern with apps blocking you due to rooting, that is fixed by USNF and Zygisk denylist
In my experience, anytime I am setting up a new phone they get warm. Also to note, these newer builds of Android require about 5-7 day "break in" period, where the OS is optimizing based on your usage. After that period is when battery life settles down.
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Thanks!! Sorry for my slow reply.
Just FYI, Vanced works without root and surprisingly, so does call recording.
Interesting about the USNF though, I was unaware of that and wondered how people lived without access to all the banking type apps.
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What vanced are you using?
palopaxo said:
What vanced are you using?
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Take a look at AfterVanced on Reddit
thermomonkey said:
Interesting about the USNF though, I was unaware of that and wondered how people lived without access to all the banking type apps.
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USNF for me isn't about the banking apps but tap and pay. I could give two s***s about the banks, as if I really needed to I could just access their services through the browser. I like the convenience of tap and pay, not going to lie, but can function without it easily enough, as I do carry my cards on me in a Ridge-style wallet even though I have the phone as an option. You never know when Google will suddenly update the Wallet or GPay apps and cause the USNF to not work for a few days.
thermomonkey said:
Morning all. My pixel 6 (non pro) is being delivered today and I've been looking through the forum, as I always do for a new phone, to try and see what recommendations people have. Despite seeing lots of issues in the 'press' with battery life and Android 13 (downgrading / bricking), I can't see what the general consensus is here and peoples experiences seem to differ.
Is upgrading to Android 13 worth it? Does it actually fix the battery life issues?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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I just got a Pixel 6 myself a couple weeks ago after being an iPhone user for a few years. I have to say I haven't really put it through the wringer yet, but so far I've had zero issues with it. Nothing like I've seen discussed at length in multiple threads on Reddit.
My biggest issue thus far is trying to figure out what browser to use, as I have the freedom to actually choose.
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I just got a Pixel 6 myself a couple weeks ago after being an iPhone user for a few years. I have to say I haven't really put it through the wringer yet, but so far I've had zero issues with it. Nothing like I've seen discussed at length in multiple threads on Reddit.
My biggest issue thus far is trying to figure out what browser to use, as I have the freedom to actually choose.
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I like Brave Browser, Firefox, or Chromium.
Glad to hear no issues with the 6.
I'm holding out for the 7.
However my 5 is still running like a champ.
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I like Brave Browser, Firefox, or Chromium.
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I read that Firefox for Android isn't as secure as on desktop. I'm finding Brave to be pretty great though. I've got issues with it on desktop but I don't really need it in desktop as I have Firefox and ublock origin.
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I just got a Pixel 6 myself a couple weeks ago after being an iPhone user for a few years. I have to say I haven't really put it through the wringer yet, but so far I've had zero issues with it. Nothing like I've seen discussed at length in multiple threads on Reddit.
My biggest issue thus far is trying to figure out what browser to use, as I have the freedom to actually choose.
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I use Opera on my P6. Blocks ad and is smoother than Chrome (which I suppose most browser are).
Back to the original topic, I can't really comment on the difference between 12 and 13, but I can say my experience on 13 has been good. No notable issues, excellent battery life, and support from Magisk addons like AOSP Mods is catching up.
Just make sure you know what you're doing if you do upgrade to 13, especially if you're a root user. TL;DR - the phone has two "slots" for everything but data (bootloader, system, etc.), and flashing the OTA of 13 updates one of those slots. After that happens, if anything happens that causes your phone to boot from the un-updated side before you've updated at least the bootloader on that side, you've got a brick. There are guides around for getting both sides updated that're better than I can, though the rootless (sideload) method for updating both sides can have issues with USB >2.0.
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Hey guys. Just saw this article stating that the G3 has less battery life with lollipop: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/3...alaxy-s5-htc-one-m8-nexus-5-lg-g3-results.htm
Are you guys running LP seeing a drop in battery like the article??
Im not on stock but I am on Lollipop and the battery life for me has been about the same. I feel like Google really dropped the ball with Lollipop as far as battery life is concerned... like they were talking up project volta and how it was supposed to make battery life 36% better on lollipop for certain devices. Yet most devices seem to be struggling to keep the battery life they had before the lollipop update. I know there is a lot of factors and development isn't necessarily going to be perfect with such a new release but still...
I get at least the same if not better battery use, for me typically 80+ hours before charging, my record, 124 hours.
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I get at least the same if not better battery use, for me typically 80+ hours before charging, my record, 124 hours.
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good god man. how are you getting 80 hrs? is it on standby the entire time??
I dont much difference until i tryed to talk on the phone browse facebook or the internet at the same time im stock lollipop
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Im not on stock but I am on Lollipop and the battery life for me has been about the same. I feel like Google really dropped the ball with Lollipop as far as battery life is concerned... like they were talking up project volta and how it was supposed to make battery life 36% better on lollipop for certain devices. Yet most devices seem to be struggling to keep the battery life they had before the lollipop update. I know there is a lot of factors and development isn't necessarily going to be perfect with such a new release but still...
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One thing everyone must remember. Not all apps have been upgraded to utilize any new programming APIs, etc based on Lollipop. Lollipop under the hood is a different environment. No longer is Dalvik around. It's now ART. Some apps still do things that are only available under Dalvik, hence they do not work under LP.
Also, APIs go out of date, also known as deprecated, as OS'es mature. Apps that continue to use old, out-dated API calls, or were improperly programmed from the beginning but could get away with it in older versions of the Android OS, are now showing their issues. This can result in either the app not working at all, or the app could drain the battery.
Android apps are a different beast from your normal PC Windows application/program. They should not run in the background if minimized/when a user switches out. They usually go into a suspended mode so that they are not consuming resources. Out of the box, when an app is written, all of that handling is set up automatically. However, it can be circumvented due to someone not understanding the Android app life-cycle, or they know it and don't care, and just do poor programming. Either way can result in an app that misbehaves and drains the battery, as well as consuming resources (memory, CPU, etc). That also leads to battery drain.
So, I think part of this is Google, but I also believe that most of it is due to apps that are not optimized for Lollipop. I would like to see, or know, if these tests were run on straight stock with NO user downloaded apps. That would give us a clearer picture as to whether or not LP truly does gain better battery life for certain devices (I read that as newer devices).
No battery life difference for me.
Only difference I've noticed would be the stock LP gives better battery life than AOSP
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One thing everyone must remember. Not all apps have been upgraded to utilize any new programming APIs, etc based on Lollipop. Lollipop under the hood is a different environment. No longer is Dalvik around. It's now ART. Some apps still do things that are only available under Dalvik, hence they do not work under LP.
Also, APIs go out of date, also known as deprecated, as OS'es mature. Apps that continue to use old, out-dated API calls, or were improperly programmed from the beginning but could get away with it in older versions of the Android OS, are now showing their issues. This can result in either the app not working at all, or the app could drain the battery..
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Yeah I keep forgetting about the out of date API's but I practically use only Google Apps, I pretty much have everything I need on Google's platform. I only have a handful of apps that aren't google but I rarely use them. Still haven't noticed a change in battery. Not that the battery is bad per say my battery is actually pretty good especially compared to my S3 back in the day. Ive just been seeing other people complain in different forums. But you're right they are probably not using fully optimized apps for lollipop if they are having battery issues.
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good god man. how are you getting 80 hrs? is it on standby the entire time??
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My wife and I aren't that popular, so we don't talk on the phone much. She does use hers a LOT for games. When we got our G3s, I picked up a Verizon LG G Tab 8.3 VK810.4G as well, so now I spare my phone battery a lot for music in the car, GPS, some gaming and quite a bit of TapaTalk or other web browsing. About the only time I do any of those on my phone is when I'm at work killing time sitting on the toilet, or waiting for my lunch to heat up in the microwave.
gosh one of the main reason i was going to upgrade to LP and reading this it doesn't seem worthwhile anymore. are there any reasons to upgrade to LP other than maybe material design? it seems sort to just be a ui makeover now...
corz123 said:
gosh one of the main reason i was going to upgrade to LP and reading this it doesn't seem worthwhile anymore. are there any reasons to upgrade to LP other than maybe material design? it seems sort to just be a ui makeover now...
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ART instead of Dalvik. It's much smoother now.
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Another thing to do is give it a few days after upgrading. At first, you might see poorer battery life but give it a few days and it might stabilize after that and you might see better battery life.
Also, once you've done this, start monitoring the battery section to see which apps are consuming the most battery life. This should give you an idea as to what is going on. That can help you pin point better misbehaving apps.
Also, I use the Snap Dragon Battery Guru app. That can also help pinpoint apps that might not be behaving correctly, plus it can do some managing of things to help preserve battery life. Not sure how much it helps, but it hasn't hurt, so I continue to use it.
Just some helpful hints that I've observed with this phone. I used to use Greenify, but I have found that I can get just about the same battery life without it as I did with it (at least on this phone), so I've since removed it. But, it's still an option to look at it, and it doesn't require root any more, which is nice for those that don't wish to root. And it has helped me in the past with other phones. I just haven't found that it helps that much with this phone.
iBolski said:
Also, I use the Snap Dragon Battery Guru app. That can also help pinpoint apps that might not be behaving correctly, plus it can do some managing of things to help preserve battery life. Not sure how much it helps, but it hasn't hurt, so I continue to use it.
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Note that stock LG Lollipop builds 23A & 23B result in the SnapDragon Battery Guru app claiming it's incompatible when you go to it's Play Store page, although I haven't tried sideloading/restoring it from Titanium Backup.
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Note that stock LG Lollipop builds 23A & 23B result in the SnapDragon Battery Guru app claiming it's incompatible when you go to it's Play Store page, although I haven't tried sideloading/restoring it from Titanium Backup.
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Ahh. Since I haven't upgrade to LP (still on stock and happy as a clam), this is good to know.
Battery life does not change whatsoever. The display is always the culprit. Can get 5hrs of screen time sometimes 6 per stock battery.
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jfriend33 said:
Battery life does not change whatsoever. The display is always the culprit. Can get 5hrs of screen time sometimes 6 per stock battery.
Sent from my LG-VS985 adorned w/ Illusion ROM
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Which is why I believe, as I stated earlier, this points to misbehaving apps that are not "tuned" correctly for LP. It's always better to just wipe clean (FDR) and then start restoring apps one by one to see what might be causing it. But also, give it a few days to settle down too.
I'm still waiting for the "official" release and then, will wait to see if either root can carry forward or else, the latest root still works on the official release.
T-Mobile users can now upgrade via the software tool on their Windows machines (not available as an OTA yet for them). Seeing how the G2 is getting it already, I have to imagine the G3 is not far behind. I'd much rather they just give us 5.1 to fix the memory leak.
I have noticed much better battery life on 23B Lollipop. I'm not rooted or anything, but for example I can listen to Audible for my daily drive into work that takes me 1.5 hours and the battery will only drop to 99%. I got 23B following another thread here, but my wife got a replacement G3 and it offered the update to 23b before the SIM card or SD card had been put in the phone. My son has a G2 that got the official Lollipop and it actually required two updates to get there. 1 just installed some system prereqs.
I'm in stock 23c and battery life is the same as it was under kk which for me is a good thing as I got excellent battery life under 12b. I'm not rooted because I want to wait and see if/when another ota comes out to fix the Wi-Fi sync issue.
I just finally updated to 23c. Seems wifi works fine for me thus far. I'll see how battery life is tomorrow after a full charge /discharge. Everything seems pretty snappy so far. I didn't even do a factory reset. Hopefully I won't have too.
Basically, the phone (G925T) is fast when I'm not really using it, and lagging and freezing as heck when it is most depended on.
I have mitigated this by rooting and migrating most of the third party apps from system to user, and freezing other Samsung bloat. But this prevents me from using Android Pay and Samsung Pay.
I have read many threads on memory or multitasking performance issues, but the only stock compatible solution is to use ADB based Package Disabler. This is insufficient unless I also disable Google services, which just gives me a fancy paperweight.
Is my experience not the standard and my device is just defective? I have re-flashed and reset the device more times than I can count and don't see how a hardware defect can cause such software issues.
Basically, the main symptom is that the phone is very slow and even locks up during key times because
1. System apps using more than 1.7 GB ram and less than 300 MB free.
I have read that Android caches apps, and this is okay. However, the reality is that Android memory manager is actively killing apps at this stage, and apps are actively being re-cached. The free memory continuously fluctuates between 200-350 MB with active CPU and battery drains like crazy. During this time the device is very slow.
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2. Compounding on #1, device struggles with Google Maps navigation + Play Music active.
So bad to the point there is often a one or two minute wait to start navigation. I have moved Maps and Android Web View to user space. This keeps System apps memory usage to ~ 1.2 GB, but also means that now Android memory manager will kill Maps when the screen is off because there is not enough ram available.
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3. Some may have noticed I have about 1 GB of memory unaccounted for, and that is the other installed apps are using or caching 1 GB of memory.
And I do have quite a lot, though not an exorbitant amount. Case in point, my previous Z3 handled the same apps without any hiccups and they have the same amount of RAM. There was also always at least 700 MB of free ram, allowing me to have an active game and Chrome without losing either to the memory manager.
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Just upgraded to OH6 5.1.1 (forgoing fingerprint reader without tripped Knox) to see if the issues have been resolved. Unfortunately, the experience is pretty much the same as I had in the beginning.
Is there any way to have a usable device with Android Pay or Samsung Pay?
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Is there any way to have a usable device with Android Pay or Samsung Pay?
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Android pay and Samsung pay require the fingerprint scanner. Additionally, it has been confirmed that android pay can detect the su binaries, so it will not work with root. Sounds like your phone has many performance problems that have been mentioned before. There are very few tweaks that can be performed without root. Sounds like you have a tradeoff between superior performance and Samsung pay
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Basically, the phone (G925T) is fast when I'm not really using it, and lagging and freezing as heck when it is most depended on.
I have mitigated this by rooting and migrating most of the third party apps from system to user, and freezing other Samsung bloat. But this prevents me from using Android Pay and Samsung Pay.
I have read many threads on memory or multitasking performance issues, but the only stock compatible solution is to use ADB based Package Disabler. This is insufficient unless I also disable Google services, which just gives me a fancy paperweight.
Is my experience not the standard and my device is just defective? I have re-flashed and reset the device more times than I can count and don't see how a hardware defect can cause such software issues.
Basically, the main symptom is that the phone is very slow and even locks up during key times because
1. System apps using more than 1.7 GB ram and less than 300 MB free.
2. Compounding on #1, device struggles with Google Maps navigation + Play Music active.
3. Some may have noticed I have about 1 GB of memory unaccounted for, and that is the other installed apps are using or caching 1 GB of memory.
Just upgraded to OH6 5.1.1 (forgoing fingerprint reader without tripped Knox) to see if the issues have been resolved. Unfortunately, the experience is pretty much the same as I had in the beginning.
Is there any way to have a usable device with Android Pay or Samsung Pay?
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Take the phone back and get a different one. You obviously got a lemon
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Android pay and Samsung pay require the fingerprint scanner. Additionally, it has been confirmed that android pay can detect the su binaries, so it will not work with root. Sounds like your phone has many performance problems that have been mentioned before. There are very few tweaks that can be performed without root. Sounds like you have a tradeoff between superior performance and Samsung pay
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I mean, there must be a lot of users on stock without issues. Or are my expectations too high?
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Take the phone back and get a different one. You obviously got a lemon
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Looks like I am going to try that. But my only option may be exchange through Samsung and I don't think they're going to that readily swap the phone. And don't think T-mobile does in store changes beyond 14 days.
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I mean, there must be a lot of users on stock without issues. Or are my expectations too high?
Looks like I am going to try that. But my only option may be exchange through Samsung and I don't think they're going to that readily swap the phone. And don't think T-mobile does in store changes beyond 14 days.
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Some users have less issues than others. The first three weeks I owned my Verizon S6 Edge I had no issue, then the next week the phone would freeze up daily. Ten days later I obtained root, and with a small number of changes, not only has the phone been super fast, but battery life has been extended from ~20 hours to ~120 hours.
As far as making an exchange, that is hit and miss. You could always ask about an exchange. I know every phone I have bought through a carrier
I have been able to replace it for free no questions asked whenever there was a performance issue I could not address.
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Some users have less issues than others. The first three weeks I owned my Verizon S6 Edge I had no issue, then the next week the phone would freeze up daily. Ten days later I obtained root, and with a small number of changes, not only has the phone been super fast, but battery life has been extended from ~20 hours to ~120 hours.
As far as making an exchange, that is hit and miss. You could always ask about an exchange. I know every phone I have bought through a carrier
I have been able to replace it for free no questions asked whenever there was a performance issue I could not address.
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I have discovered the freezing due to use of third-party keyboard. Actually, any third-party keyboard. It seems running the keyboards as System app rather than User app fixes the issue. Maybe it is an incompatibility with the lock screen.
Unfortunately, this requires root, which means Android Pay and Samsung Pay is not usable.
So i got my s8 a few days ago (yay) and noticed some of its horrendous issues within an hour of usage, so i started looking around for fixes and stumbled upon Eragon (Rom) and have been attempting to get that on to my phone with no luck. I have little to no experience messing around with phones. I followed the guide per Skeleton1911 and can't even get the Vcom driver's working properly. Pretty frustrated and confused at this point and decided to reach out for help/advice. Or any possible alternatives.
What issues are you experiencing that you hope will be solved by this ROM?
I only ask because it might be a hardware issue and therefore a sign to return the phone for a replacement from your vendor while that's still an option.
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What issues are you experiencing that you hope will be solved by this ROM?
I only ask because it might be a hardware issue and therefore a sign to return the phone for a replacement from your vendor while that's still an option.
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4g connectivity seems to be pretty bad/unstable. Battery life is pretty meh. Most if not all of the issue with this phone is pretty much fixed by the Eragon rom hence why I'm trying so hard to get it installed.
the 4g connectivity along with the battery life a very lack luster, which are some of the fixes that come with Eragon.
OK, fair enough. I do understand battery life is improved under Eragon, and OS RAM usage is reduced.
I just read 'horrendous issues' and wondered what that meant exactly, as I've found the battery life on stock to be reasonably OK. The only 'horrendous' issues, in my experience, are the camera and the GPS, neither of which are changed or improved on Eragon. But we all have our personal measurements for such things.
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OK, fair enough. I do understand battery life is improved under Eragon, and OS RAM usage is reduced.
I just read 'horrendous issues' and wondered what that meant exactly, as I've found the battery life on stock to be reasonably OK. The only 'horrendous' issues, in my experience, are the camera and the GPS, neither of which are changed or improved on Eragon. But we all have our personal measurements for such things.
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I can't confirm battery improvement with eragon rom. After a few weeks I had a massive battery drain of about 15% per hour without any heavy usage. The phone was in my pocket with wifi and bluetooth active. I didn't install any new apps and I already I flashed cache and dalvik. The only thing that helped was getting back to stock. Now battery is back to normal and I don't experience any major differences in performance, multitasking or ram usage.
A good example of just how different people's experiences can be, depending on their usage patterns and which set of apps they have installed. Thanks for sharing your experience, Steve.
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A good example of just how different people's experiences can be, depending on their usage patterns and which set of apps they have installed. Thanks for sharing your experience, Steve.
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It seems a matter of luck if you get a full working s8 or not. Maybe there are different builds, depending on where ist was made.
I am using gps from the first day without any problems, no matter if on stock or eragon rom. My s8 just gets warm when playing games but not hot. I think the perfomance is good (no matter which rom) but I would have expected a much higher antutu score from a deca-core chipset and 4gb ram. The battery performance is not better or worse (on stock rom) compared to my earlier smartphones like the oneplus one. I expected the lack of support from the elephone company just as it is, so I am not disappopinted at this point.
I think it's also worth keeping in mind that people are more likely to post when something goes wrong than when something goes as expected, so folks with a defective item are more likely to post complaints than someone who's phone just works.
That being said, I do expect quality control at a third-tier device manufacturer will not be as good as at one of the major players.
And yeah, the big battery is just there to provide adequate battery life despite the huge screen. In my usage, even with the brightness turned down, the screen accounts for 75% of my battery usage on average.
It's a great screen for a cheap phone like this, but it is a trade-off. No such thing as a free lunch.
Finally! Some people are talking sense here and not just complaining about their devices.
For me, I think it's pointless to compare this phone with flagship devices. You can't just say that "on my one plus/galaxy..." because you paid better bucks for those so they got to be damn better!
I have not got any complaints on my device because as I have read on another post here, "You sound set your expectations".
When you bought this, you have a certain use case and if the phone fulfills that, then the phone has already served its purpose.
Please don't expect our units to be top notch as the price won't allow that.
What kind of 4G issue was resolved by this ROM?
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the 4g connectivity along with the battery life a very lack luster, which are some of the fixes that come with Eragon.
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Can you explain what kind of 4G issues it resolves
After doing some research I found out that the ROM will NOT fix network issues.
Re Oreo
For what it is worth, from the Elephone forum today.
ashish replied at 2018-2-17 03:58 AM
"Plz update the android as almost every compay providing android oreo update but elephone s8 still ha ...
got this on Facebook .
(we do our best to release an oreo update for the S8 as fast as possible. Did you know, that our biggest competitor, that charges 3-4x the price of our S8, just canceled their release of Android 8.0 for their newest device? Google the news Why? Because their update was rushed and released way to early, causing a lot of trouble to many users. Do you want that to happen? We don't. That's why our update will only be released when it's done and can deliver a flawless experience to ALL users of the S8. Therefore we kindly ask for your patience. Have a nice day, your ELEPHONE Team)"
It is true many of the big players have pulled or cancelled their Oreo updates in the last few weeks. Be nice if Ele would try another 7.x update with another attempt to fix the camera though.
I suspect that their dev team has its hands full trying to get everything they got wrong on 7.x right on 8. And I doubt they have the resources to have two teams working on S8 firmware development.
Just my edjumakated guess, mind you. ?
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the camera and the GPS, neither of which are changed or improved on Eragon. But we all have our personal measurements for such things.
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so it's normal thing that GPS do't work and camera makes meh photos?
Also, is there an option that phone screen will turn on for a while when I'm receiving a notification? I know there is something like that in android but I couldn't find it. Sorry It's my first android phone and I just feel lost
I did not say the GPS did not work. If your GPS does not work at all, you should return your phone to the shop where you bought it. It's defective.
What I did say is that the GPS isn't great, as is par for the course on Mediatek based phones. If you need great GPS, this is not the phone for you.
Spend more money and buy something better, maybe with a Qualcomm chipset. Or buy a used last-gen flagship phone with good GPS performance.
As for the camera, it's crappy. All the reviews I've seen have pointed out the focus hunting. It's sub par and mostly a problem with the software.
That being said, yes, sub par cameras on cheap Chinese third tier OEM phones do tend to be sub par in one way or another. This one's just notably bad at the moment. Maybe always, if they don't eventually release another firmware for it.
And if this is your first Android phone, I can understand the confusion. Especally if you're coming from fruit phones, where everything just works on pretty much all of them.
This is a terrible first phone for most people. This is a pretty bad device for a novice, it's more of a hobbyist phone. But XDA is a place for that kind of crowd, so my comments were framed accordingly.
I really like it, but I knew what I was buying. I don't use the camera and only make occasional use of the GPS. And I make heavy use of the screen for watching videos and I am not a fan of 18:9. The S8 is a big win for me there.
You probably would have been better served, in this price range, by a Motorola phone, to be honest. If you're still within your exchange window, I would recommend swapping it for something more mainstream.
Best of luck!
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... is there an option that phone screen will turn on for a while when I'm receiving a notification? I know there is something like that in android but I couldn't find it. Sorry It's my first android phone and I just feel lost
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.nullgrad.glimpse
Install this and the screen will wake for notifications. You can also disable individual apps, like I did with Spotify, to prevent the screen from waking when listening to music on my Mac.
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Install this and the screen will wake for notifications. You can also disable individual apps, like I did with Spotify, to prevent the screen from waking when listening to music on my Mac.
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Thank you
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And if this is your first Android phone, I can understand the confusion. Especally if you're coming from fruit phones, where everything just works on pretty much all of them.
Best of luck!
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I'm not even from apple family. I'm one of old guard of Windows phone, and everyday I'm more and more surprised that android won this competition.
I have no chance for fully refund, since I already own it few months, but I see I need to contact a seller. But I think they'll reject it because I dropped it once, and I have beautiful spider web at back -.- (It's not very sturdy). I think I need to revive my lumia for gps usage.
New to elephone s8 but not new to Chinese smart phones. I was hoping this ROM fixed some issues but hasn't thus far. Phone constantly drops signal to point where i can't receive or make calls. Still trying to figure out if that is due to phone not support on my network or not. Which is odd cause at times phone is fine, flying speed full coverage others its the complete opposite. One other bug I was hoping it fixed was screen being unresponsive. Like i try to swipe up to unlock or use fingerprint but it just vibrates to acknowledge I touched it and does nothing. I am looking for work around before i get fed up and sell it or something. I really love the feel of phone physically and how software works when its working.
After updating to Android 11 I've noticed my device seems to heat up all the time like something is working in the background. I did a FDR and setup as a new device. Even after the reset, the device seems to heat up still. Any suggestions on what to try?
Look at the attachments it's weird one says 2hrs 20 mins screen in time and the other says 4hrs 26 mins.
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Look at the attachments it's weird one says 2hrs 20 mins screen in time and the other says 4hrs 26 mins.
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Same problem here! After the update, phone runs hot and battery drains while charging!
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Same problem here! After the update, phone runs hot and battery drains while charging!
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Well, hopefully they release a supplemental update to address the issue. I love Android 11 otherwise. Does your phone have a random glitch with messenger or any app where you can open photos to attach or something and have to close the app then reopen and it works?
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Well, hopefully they release a supplemental update to address the issue. I love Android 11 otherwise. Does your phone have a random glitch with messenger or any app where you can open photos to attach or something and have to close the app then reopen and it works?
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I have not had that issue yet. It is laggy. There is also an "out of focus/blur" screen when it transitions from screen to screen, or should I say, app to app. It appears intentional, like a transition between scenes in a movie, but there is no point to it. The phone used to just switch screens. Now there is a transitional screen. Like the "red loading bar" of old.
I am just very disappointed with LG. and the V series. I have had most of them starting with the V10.
Sometimes I long for the old times when if you did not like the OS, you rolled back to an older version or flashed someone else's ROM onto your phone.
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Look at the attachments it's weird one says 2hrs 20 mins screen in time and the other says 4hrs 26 mins.
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Mine says 37% Battery consumed by Android System. that is insane.
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After updating to Android 11 I've noticed my device seems to heat up all the time like something is working in the background. I did a FDR and setup as a new device. Even after the reset, the device seems to heat up still. Any suggestions on what to try?
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I think we just need to go Samsung! Lol! Seriously, this sucks! Charged my phone twice today after taking it off the charger at 6AM. At Noon I was at 21% and again at 5pm I was at 15%. Crazy!
draexo said:
I think we just need to go Samsung! Lol! Seriously, this sucks! Charged my phone twice today after taking it off the charger at 6AM. At Noon I was at 21% and again at 5pm I was at 15%. Crazy!
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How about no! Lol. I have a Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G there's a reason it not my daily. Samsung still needs a lot to mature it's a huge improvement but still leaking key Android features. LG isn't perfect but it keeps the great core Android features i.e. Seemless updates, more support for Google built in features and etc.
This is mine, looks how the screen times don't match.
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How about no! Lol. I have a Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G there's a reason it not my daily. Samsung still needs a lot to mature it's a huge improvement but still leaking key Android features. LG isn't perfect but it keeps the great core Android features i.e. Seemless updates, more support for Google built in features and etc.
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Which was why I went to LG a few years back.
Still, this is a major problem. My phone feels like a hot potato in my pocket and I am sure I will have to charge it in 5 or 6 hours.
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How about no! Lol. I have a Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra 5G there's a reason it not my daily. Samsung still needs a lot to mature it's a huge improvement but still leaking key Android features. LG isn't perfect but it keeps the great core Android features i.e. Seemless updates, more support for Google built in features and etc.
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As an LG fan and owner of a Galaxy S21 Ultra, I can say that the Samsung is miles ahead of LG at this point.
arman3986 said:
As an LG fan and owner of a Galaxy S21 Ultra, I can say that the Samsung is miles ahead of LG at this point.
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I can agree, hardware wise not entirely software. One has good things about software and the other has good things.
Anyone else having system ui crashes whenever they pull down the notification shade? I guess been a bug on several Android 11 phones: OnePlus, Pixel, Samsung
I reached out to LG, they said to do a FDR (factory data reset) and if that did not resolve the issues to send the phone in for repair (since I am still under warrenty).
I'm on AT&T and updated to Android 11 earlier this week. It resulted in a black screen soft-brick. I could still see the touches (from dev mode) where fingers tapped the screen. And if I held down the Power button, I'd see the typical Power Down / Restart / Etc. options, and tapping on them would generate the appropriate responses. But in all other instances, it was just a black screen. I figured my HEAVY de-bloating of Android 10 when I first got the phone caused something to break.
So I went ahead and did a full factory restore using recovery/safe mode and set it up as a new phone, and haven't had any serious issues since. I went ahead and got almost everything (minus Fluid Navigation Gestures, RIP) working the way I wanted, and embarked on another HEAVY de-bloating process. Seems like I took things too far, because, upon my next reboot, I was in the exact same black screen soft-brick state I mentioned above.
Another factory reset. Another session of restoring my apps, launcher, settings, and customizations. This time, I just used Package Disabler Pro for LG from the Google Play Store to perform some more restrained bloatware disabling, and everything's been pretty great. For Android 10 and the first attempt at de-bloating Android 11, I was using ADB commands to "uninstall" dozens upon dozens of system apps. Battery life is not quite as good as it was with my heavily de-bloated Android 10 environment, but I didn't expect it to be, and I'm not going to risk messing this all up again.
My only complaint is that stock AOD (and Sidelight Notifications) don't seem to be working properly, no matter how I configure them in Settings. I'm not sure what's causing the issue, but I actually developed this problem just a few days BEFORE the AT&T OTA landed, and it's persisted through a full Android point upgrade and two factory resets, so I imagine there's a conflict somewhere. Maybe with Fluid Simulation - Trippy Stress Reliever (my live wallpaper app of choice), Energy Bar, or Nova Launcher. I haven't been able to pinpoint it yet, but since it predates the Android 11 OTA by a few days, there must be another cause.
I do miss Fluid Navigation Gestures, but I'm happy to report that the new Android 11 gestures are way better than Android 10's. Not quite as customized as I had FNG, but I've adapted. Until/unless someone figures out how to hide the navigation bar without root, LG's gestures it is, I guess.
I have a Verizon V60 and since the update the processor is pegged to 100% utilization after just a few minutes of listening to YouTube music. Nothing I do will drop the utilization down besides a reboot. Again, after a few minutes, same thing. That's what you guys are seeing. I did a factory reset thinking that might fix it. It didn't. I restored all of my apps, but not my data just to be sure that nothing weird was causing issues. Even after the restore, the CPU was pegged at 100%.
Long story short, the SW is bugged. So was 10 (voice commands broken with Maps in Incognito mode for example). I've wanted to switch to this phone as my daily for a while from my Galaxy S10, but LG keeps dropping the ball.
Regarding the Samsung, it has significantly more features and regular updates. There is no comparison, frankly. I only like the LG for the form factor, large battery, speed and head phone jack amp. Otherwise, the S10 is just a better phone. This reminds me why I stopped buying Motorola phones. Buggy updates with broken core functionality.
I bought a V50 based on the positive reviews, and I ultimately sold it due to bugs (Android Auto was an absolute mess). The V60 has been better, but still far from perfect. I find phone reviews absolutely worthless as those people seem to restrict their usage to social media and photography. When it comes to using it as an actual phone, silence.
Sorry for the long rant. I will give LG another month to see if they fix this issue. Otherwise, I'm selling this phone and will never buy another LG.
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Anyone else having system ui crashes whenever they pull down the notification shade? I guess been a bug on several Android 11 phones: OnePlus, Pixel, Samsung
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Not on an LG V60, but I've got serious other issues I'm here about.
I don't usually post here, but gotten a ton of great info here over the years, including rooting a couple phones. Thank you to all who contribute.
Since the update I've found three of my favcorite apps, all paid for, afflicted with issues that range from a couple cosmetic glitches in AccuBattery, to one app that's completely unusable. I've done one factory reset since the update.
I have a support ticket opened for the worst one; Radio Paradise's streaming app, the beta version (only one of these in beta). After clearing its cache and data, then uninstalling, then restarting (power off/>10 seconds pause/on), then reinstalling, I can sometimes get a connection and start downloading music, streaming or caching. But just once. Then it won't reconnect to the streams at all.
The other one, Weather Underground's app, now won't even start. But the notification seems fine keeping time and temp on schedule. Try to start the app and it immediately shuts down.
All three of these apps, including the RP Betas, have been solid for a year (one attraction) and all run fine on an old V10 and V30 still on the wifi. Have for years.
If this gibes with anyone else's experiance I'd like to hear about it, I haven't found these kinds of complaints anywhere. My Spidey sense suggests a possible permissioning issue but I'm not sure.
Did a fresh install on my X1m3 and was quite surprised to find I could watch the battery life trickle down before my eyes despite a 4500 mAh battery. AccuBattery reports 96% estimated health, estimated capacity 4327 mAh, which is within acceptable tolerances, and I've just done a 0% to 100% charge to train the charge algorithm.
Even with 60 Hz mode on the screen and brightness between 40% and 50%, I still think battery drain is higher than it should be on the shipped Android 11 update. I have about 100 apps total, most of which are passive / load-then-close things (small utilities etc). Minimal social media apps, the usual IM apps. Nothing extravagant. SOT seems to literally bleed battery life and I've already had a few device overheat / service stop thermal protection / camera app shutdown warnings in just two days of use.
Is the Snapdragon 888 really that bad? Reviews I read prior indicated that while not stellar, the SOT and battery life in standard suites of usage tests showed that the device seemed broadly on par with most current gen handsets, give or take an hour or two.
Battery life at the moment only seems marginally better than my three year old S9 with about 80% battery health and severe screen-on drain (per AccuBattery and a separate Samsung diagnosis); that is to say, slightly disappointing. Does anyone else's experiences reflect this? Anything you did with a boxfresh device that improves its battery life from what I've experienced, or is this partly the woes of early Android 11 adoption?
Find the apks running in the background and deal with each on a case by case basis.
With internet/phone connected the drain should less than 1%@hr when not in use.
My 10+ with less efficient ram gets that with AOD on, but it was a battery guzzling hog before it was optimized.
blackhawk said:
Find the apks running in the background and deal with each on a case by case basis.
With internet/phone connected the drain should less than 1%@hr when not in use.
My 10+ with less efficient ram gets that with AOD on, but it was a battery guzzling hog before it was optimized.
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Indeed, that's what I was expecting. I'm close to 1.7%/hr with screen off. When the screen's on, I can quite quickly decrement the battery just with it sat idling or with an empty Chrome window open.
I read elsewhere on xda that some Samsung users who upgraded to Android 11 were suffering from excessive drain in Chrome until they forcibly suspended it, is that a bug which was subsequently fixed or is there another reason behind that behaviour? Weird background sync issues?
I've gone through again tonight, disabling and force muting notifications from any apps I suspect to be hogs, and I've permission granted BBS through ADB to see if I can nail any more details. Unfortunately looks like BBS needs some work to be more compatible with Android 11 or the Xperia OS build.
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Indeed, that's what I was expecting. I'm close to 1.7%/hr with screen off. When the screen's on, I can quite quickly decrement the battery just with it sat idling or with an empty Chrome window open.
I read elsewhere on xda that some Samsung users who upgraded to Android 11 were suffering from excessive drain in Chrome until they forcibly suspended it, is that a bug which was subsequently fixed or is there another reason behind that behaviour? Weird background sync issues?
I've gone through again tonight, disabling and force muting notifications from any apps I suspect to be hogs, and I've permission granted BBS through ADB to see if I can nail any more details. Unfortunately looks like BBS needs some work to be more compatible with Android 11 or the Xperia OS build.
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Be careful with the edits... dependencies.
Names can be deceiving. Make your own list and know exactly what you're disabling.
I prefer to use a Package Disabler as it gives you on the fly control. PM if you want a link for that (some knucklehead FM here thought I was a salesperson for posting the link).
Likely suspects; any cloud apk, Google play Services, Google backup Transport, Framework and Google Firebase. Playstore is another one that constantly pecks away at the battery.
Clear system cache, Google play Services, Transport and Framework data.
Try disabling Google play Services at night see what that does. It kills a lot of birds with one stone. Normally unless I need to use one of it's dependencies, I leave it disabled.
Go through -all- the Google settings. Disable Google, carrier, app and Sony feedback. Use Karma Firewall to lock down apps that don't need internet access. Set Gmail to manual sync.
Use the setting below to kill ads globally.
Sheesh, if I have to stop/delete/uninstall/disable all this stuff I might as well go back to a land line with an answering machine. I mean didn't he say he has 100 apps? What in the world are 100 apps used for? How long has he actually had the phone in his possession? Maybe a few days are needed to let the battery settle down? Instead of stopping all the so-called necessary Google stuff, why not stop/uninstall about 90 apps and see how it goes?
That is not normal. Battery life is solid for me and have minimal drain. Try resetting and see if phone is like that with no apps installed for a day
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Sheesh, if I have to stop/delete/uninstall/disable all this stuff I might as well go back to a land line with an answering machine. I mean didn't he say he has 100 apps? What in the world are 100 apps used for? How long has he actually had the phone in his possession? Maybe a few days are needed to let the battery settle down? Instead of stopping all the so-called necessary Google stuff, why not stop/uninstall about 90 apps and see how it goes?
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Each user and Android device is unique.
So is its optimization.
This is no plain Jane iPhone.
You get what you put into Android.
That's why kids do so well with them... they play with it.
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That is not normal. Battery life is solid for me and have minimal drain. Try resetting and see if phone is like that with no apps installed for a day
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Unless you have uninstallable malware or did a major firmware update a factory reset doesn't find the root cause. Meaning it's likely to reoccur.
It's preferable to find and correct the cause... and you learn this way.
Running in Safe mode will give a good idea if it's a 3rd party app causing the issue.
Occasionally poorly written apps will change hidden settings not normally accessible to the user. These will remain even if you uninstall it.
If you can't find (sometimes reloading the app and changing the setting there, then uninstalling it works) and correct, factory reset.
Meh, never load a bunch of unknown apps at once. Load, observe, then decide if it's doing what you want.
Make installable copies of all your trusted apps for future use and archive them. Sooner or latter you will need those...
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Each user and Android device is unique.
So is its optimization.
This is no plain Jane iPhone.
You get what you put into Android.
That's why kids do so well with them... they play with it.
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Well, I understand that...this is not my first cell phone, and I usually do NOT have all the issues so many others have. And when I ask myself WHY??? I can only conclude that my 25 years as a Systems Engineer certainly helps, as well as the fact that I use my cell phone primarily as a communications device...you know as they were originally intended. But I also do a number of other things such as banking, internet access, mapping, etc., etc. However, I highly doubt that the problem with overheating, or rapid battery drain is attributable to Google's services (though once in awhile a rogue update can cause problems) but rather the problem inevitably lies with all the 3rd party apps that many load up on their phones. Another leading contributor is not setting the phone up properly out of the box. A recommendation that I always offer when setting up a new phone is this: NEVER allow Google to reinstall all your apps from a backup! NEVER!!!
Just bite the bullet and install them from scratch yourself! This way you are getting a CLEAN/Pristine start! Windows has allowed "upgrades" from one OS to another for years, and while you may have no real problems on your home PC, doing an upgrade on a server will get you fired! That is a MAJOR no-no. Why not, when it would save so much time and effort? Because you are dragging all the detritus left over form the previous version into a new build. Then, if and when problems arise, and they certainly will, you may NEVER be able to determine the cause! Now if this happens on your phone the worst thing is to do a factory reset - YUK - but it's not the end of the companies business, or your livelihood! Try to do this on a server that has already been deployed and I would rather get a root canal without Novocain while actively charged electrodes were anchored to my feet!
So then, NEVER allow Google to reinstall your apps from a backup. Start clean, learn what to turn off/adjust in settings, and load your apps one at a time. Give your battery a few days to settle in, that is to learn your habits of use and you should be OK. YMMV
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Well, I understand that...this is not my first cell phone, and I usually do NOT have all the issues so many others have. And when I ask myself WHY??? I can only conclude that my 25 years as a Systems Engineer certainly helps, as well as the fact that I use my cell phone primarily as a communications device...you know as they were originally intended. But I also do a number of other things such as banking, internet access, mapping, etc., etc. However, I highly doubt that the problem with overheating, or rapid battery drain is attributable to Google's services (though once in awhile a rogue update can cause problems) but rather the problem inevitably lies with all the 3rd party apps that many load up on their phones. Another leading contributor is not setting the phone up properly out of the box. A recommendation that I always offer when setting up a new phone is this: NEVER allow Google to reinstall all your apps from a backup! NEVER!!!
Just bite the bullet and install them from scratch yourself! This way you are getting a CLEAN/Pristine start! Windows has allowed "upgrades" from one OS to another for years, and while you may have no real problems on your home PC, doing an upgrade on a server will get you fired! That is a MAJOR no-no. Why not, when it would save so much time and effort? Because you are dragging all the detritus left over form the previous version into a new build. Then, if and when problems arise, and they certainly will, you may NEVER be able to determine the cause! Now if this happens on your phone the worst thing is to do a factory reset - YUK - but it's not the end of the companies business, or your livelihood! Try to do this on a server that has already been deployed and I would rather get a root canal without Novocain while actively charged electrodes were anchored to my feet!
So then, NEVER allow Google to reinstall your apps from a backup. Start clean, learn what to turn off/adjust in settings, and load your apps one at a time. Give your battery a few days to settle in, that is to learn your habits of use and you should be OK. YMMV
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I've played with my 10+ extensively*.
My issues and solutions may not apply to you.
No free rides; you get what you put into it.
WYSIWYG.
Enabling power management of any kind isn't needed, will likely cause erratic behavior degrade the speed and stability in extreme cases even cause boot loops. On my device global power management uses more battery even after a week or more... it does not adapt. It ain't Borg.
Can you really expect a random collection of apks, services and versions to be compatible out of the box? Absolutely not. The shotgun approach will not work well here. Sweat is always the price of freedom...
Developer options>standby apps
All buckets should show as active and their status unchangable, otherwise power management is active.
*factory resets should be only after major firmware updates, malware you can't eliminate, system damage by a app and boot loops *giggle*.
Otherwise track down the root cause and correct otherwise it will likely reoccur... then you'll be right back were you started. The equivalent of rinsing with the wash water.
blackhawk said:
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So is its optimization.
This is no plain Jane iPhone.
You get what you put into Android.
That's why kids do so well with them... they play with it.
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jeez...."plain Jane iPhone"...that's right, there's not a single setting you can change on the iPhone