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I have wondered on and off occasionally what happens if a security issue happens with the android OS.
Currently as we all know android is incredibly fragmented, mainly due to a system where the phone vendors roll out updates at their own leisure and google upgrading the OS at a very fast pace. Combination of the two equals fragmented userbase. But I have never seen an update for android on any version stated to fix a security issue.
Then I read this article.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23431281
It mentiones manufacturers have yet to pass on the patch which is no surprise as here in the uk the phones that still do get updates tend to be 12 months behind google's updates (unless a new model on market), which is a deliberate policy so people buy a new phone to get new android.
Does anyone here know which android version's are affected and if custom roms have it patched?
chrcol said:
I have wondered on and off occasionally what happens if a security issue happens with the android OS.
Currently as we all know android is incredibly fragmented, mainly due to a system where the phone vendors roll out updates at their own leisure and google upgrading the OS at a very fast pace. Combination of the two equals fragmented userbase. But I have never seen an update for android on any version stated to fix a security issue.
Then I read this article.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23431281
It mentiones manufacturers have yet to pass on the patch which is no surprise as here in the uk the phones that still do get updates tend to be 12 months behind google's updates (unless a new model on market), which is a deliberate policy so people buy a new phone to get new android.
Does anyone here know which android version's are affected and if custom roms have it patched?
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if you're rooted (which i assume seeing your signature) you're safe.
Also read this: http://www.androidcentral.com/making-sense-latest-android-security-scare
well it doesnt say you safe if rooted it just says you have bigger security concerns to worry about so dont worry about this.
So in short if that article is right, its been a problem since android 1.6, all that time google hasnt bothered to patch it, samsung did their own patch but only on the s4, and android 4.3 is expected to be patched.
In the meantime ensure unknown app sources is disabled.
thats what I get from that article.
Very important thread.
Thanks for posting.
I'm glad I'm rooted
another article.
http://searchnetworking.techtarget....s-Report-Mobile-malware-attacks-grew-over-600
Seems android not disclosing the security issues and it wouldnt surprise me all the older phones with no updates are full of security holes.
should google be backporting security fixes to 2.2.x 2.1.x etc?
Install Xposed framework and then load the patch module to fix both security exploits, or simply only install well trusted apps
yeah I patched my AOKP now.
looking at this url it seems I can do the same on TW rom also.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2374453
Anyone heard any rumors as to when our T-Mobile Note8's will be getting the Oreo update? I've looked online and have yet to find any predictions.
I hear the oreo beta program will start next month for the s8 which I'm a little upset about. I feel that the now the note 8 is the flagship device, Oreo beta should be on the note 8. The official release will probably be late January/early February if we're lucky
I don't care when it comes! I'm enjoying this phone as is.
I'd rather wait and have most bugs fixed, than rush the update and have some important functions not work any more and then wait on another update to fix the first one. Anything in particular In Oreo. that you're waiting for, or is it just newer must be better. Is it safe to assume they will patch current root exploit, because that maybe a reason for some to actually not update at all.
How's software support from manufacturer? Will we be getting regular security patches OTA?
Will it be supported for at least 2 years?
Anybody owned an Oppo phone knows about their history with updates?
Also, is their OS smooth and battery efficient or just horrible?
Thanks for reading
I had the oppo find 7. The phone was very good in his time but the software was very buggy. Os updates were very bad and it tOok a very long time to see an update. At the end, oppo closed his website and community forums leaving europe. Fortunately, there was xda devs supporting the device like omnirom etc...
I like the oppo find x but i m very septical about the support and more about the camera mechanism durability. An other thing, viewing the camera mechanism, i douubt the phone have an ip certification.
Ps: i think oppo will leave the europe maket one more time because of their prices. They are not known in france for example and a basic configuration at 999€, peoples will prefer to buy an iphone or a samsung. Maybe a huawei or a xiaomi wich are more famous than oppo here.
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I had the oppo find 7. The phone was very good in his time but the software was very buggy. Os updates were very bad and it tOok a very long time to see an update. At the end, oppo closed his website and community forums leaving europe. Fortunately, there was xda devs supporting the device like omnirom etc...
I like the oppo find x but i m very septical about the support and more about the camera mechanism durability. An other thing, viewing the camera mechanism, i douubt the phone have an ip certification.
Ps: i think oppo will leave the europe maket one more time because of their prices. They are not known in france for example and a basic configuration at 999€, peoples will prefer to buy an iphone or a samsung. Maybe a huawei or a xiaomi wich are more famous than oppo here.
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I agree with you, you forgot The Lamborghini version At 1699 €. Huawei and recently Xiaomi are already well known and sold in France, paradoxically Oneplus too but not Oppo
I doubt Oppo will break into the European market. big company in Asia certainly but almost unknown in Europe and bad memories of their rotating camera on N1 and N3....
I'm from germany and i think nearly nobody here or in france/spain/italy/netherlands will ever buy this phone at a pricetag of 999€. Nobody knows Oppo so you can impress nobody with your "Noname Phone". If you want to spend that much money you simply buy an iPhone or a S9+.
The Huawei P20 Pro is only selling good at that high pricetag because of the telekom, o2 and vodafone with a contract. So you have to pay 1-300€ to get the device. An Oppo without contract is nearly impossible to sell.
Thanks guys for your replies.
ColorOS in Oppo Find 7 days were always a year behind. For instance, Android was at version 4.4 Kitkat and yet Find 7 was released with 4.3 Jelly Bean. It's true that Oppo had continued to support it for 3 years, but remember at that third year, Android was at 6.0.1 Marshmallow and yet Find 7's latest final release was Project Something OS which is 5.1 Lollipop.
For people that doesn't necessarily understand how to root, TWRP, or flash custom ROMs, something will go wrong during this process because none of those updates are OTA nor recommended by service centers.
Should something ever go wrong, Oppo official service centers will give you its original 4.3 Jellybean that does not even support unified partition of any kind.
Until this day, June 2018, people still asks me: "What kind a phone is that? The camera is amazing."
The camera is still amazing even for 2018. Unfortunately, Oppo is very bad at releasing software updates. For that department, Oneplus is the better sister company but its camera & audio is not as good as Oppo's.
I was told that if you want good audio, VIVO seems to be the better sister company but I haven't paid much attention to its camera & software update support. I hope this helps.
Anyone having an Oppo contact address? Marketing, developement section maybe. It looks like the support is bot driven. Asked them to forward my mail to the dev section, but well, lol.
To be honest Find 7 support was bad but also typical when considering it's contemporaries. At its introduction there was no monthly security update even for Nexus devices, it didn't exist. A whole bunch of OEMs were going to make you wait quite some time for updates and there would not be many. If they offer support similar to their contemporaries today as they did then it's going to be much better than it was for the Find 7.
Let's face it though; we're all going to have camera lift failure before the phone gets too antiquated.
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we're all going to have camera lift failure before the phone gets too antiquated.
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For sure.
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pappschlumpf said:
Anyone having an Oppo contact address? Marketing, developement section maybe. It looks like the support is bot driven. Asked them to forward my mail to the dev section, but well, lol.
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Lol.
I got money to spare and i really need a new phone (current daily driver is OP2 with official LOS 15.1).
How will the chinese version fare in Sweden/EU? I don't think localization will be an issue after setting it up, just wondering if there will be issues with 3G/4G etc.
I was looking for freqs but didn't see anything, have I missed it? I'd beware the Chinese model, those can be trouble with the play store everywhere else. That is usually overcome by development but there isn't any way to know how much development this thing will see just yet. I'd certainly wait till I knew what it's play status was and the freqs... Haven't seen anything concrete on bootloader locks if any just yet either when I think about it. You're going to need that to get where you want to go.
pappschlumpf said:
Anyone having an Oppo contact address? Marketing, developement section maybe. It looks like the support is bot driven. Asked them to forward my mail to the dev section, but well, lol.
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Twitter is the best way
I have the Oppo Find 7; bought it in 2014. If I had to use one word to describe the official software support, its 'frustrating'. The software on the phone was always 2 versions behind the latest one every year. It was released with Jelly bean 4.3 and around that time 5.0 was just around the corner. It took them 2-2.5 years to release an Android 5.1 ROM. Every major update from Oppo required the users to factory reset the device and it was very difficult for a layman to perform these flashes every time a new ROM was released. All the official ROMs released were beta - Color OS 2.1 Beta, Spectrum 1.1 Beta etc. Usually you'll find tons of custom ROMs from third party developers from China devs but flashing them on the international version of the phone bricked the device. All of the oppo community was very active in reporting bugs and flashing ROMs, but the official supporters soon closed the community website and all other oppo forums as they couldn't keep up with the updates and bug fixes. Officially the Find 7 got 7 ColorOS ROMS (2.0.0, 2.0.4, 2.0.5, 2.0.7, 2.0.8, 2.1.0, 2.1.5 from 4.4 to 5.1) and all were Beta releases. All of them had at least one or more major bugs. ColorOS isn't user friendly and takes a lot of time to get used to, its a very bad attempt to copy iOS on iPhones. The only good part of the OS might be the camera.
I went to omni and never looked back; had no problems at all. You do bring up a good point though; a person should be prepared and willing to stay on the release software for some time. I myself will want to know who is going to be developing, or if there will be any at all. I'm fine with Oreo but I'm going to need an unlocked bootloader/magisk. As to their launcher, yeah, it's junk. Easily fixed at the play store however; I know I'll have my beloved Action Launcher on there in about 5 minutes. Assuming I buy of course, a lot of questions to be answered first.
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I went to omni and never looked back; had no problems at all..
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completly agreed
So basically unless we get custom roms for this phone - stay away.
I wouldn't go that far, if the bootloader is unlocked and you're good hanging on the delivered firmware it might still be a go. I would be as long as it's possible to enable double tap to wake, I hate having to swipe. The software itself was not that bad with the find 7, it was the craptacular launcher that hurt the stock experience.
All that said if a good developer picks one up and starts development that would make a buy decision easier to make.
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I was looking for freqs but didn't see anything, have I missed it? I'd beware the Chinese model, those can be trouble with the play store everywhere else. That is usually overcome by development but there isn't any way to know how much development this thing will see just yet. I'd certainly wait till I knew what it's play status was and the freqs... Haven't seen anything concrete on bootloader locks if any just yet either when I think about it. You're going to need that to get where you want to go.
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2G GSM/GPRS/EDGE：850/900/1800/1900MHz ；
2G CDMA： BC0/BC1/BC10 ；
3G TD-SCDMA/TD-HSPA：B34/B39；
3G WCDMA/HSPA：B1/B2/B4/B5/B8；
4G TDD-LTE：B34/B38/B39/B40/B41；
4G FDD-LTE：B1/B2/B3/B4/B5/B7/B8/B12/B17/B18/B19/B20/B25/B26/B28A/B28B；
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lap87 said:
I got money to spare and i really need a new phone (current daily driver is OP2 with official LOS 15.1).
How will the chinese version fare in Sweden/EU? I don't think localization will be an issue after setting it up, just wondering if there will be issues with 3G/4G etc.
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Based on Snapdragon 845 so there shall be no problem I guess.
2G GSM/GPRS/EDGE：850/900/1800/1900MHz ；
2G CDMA： BC0/BC1/BC10 ；
3G TD-SCDMA/TD-HSPA：B34/B39；
3G WCDMA/HSPA：B1/B2/B4/B5/B8；
4G TDD-LTE：B34/B38/B39/B40/B41；
4G FDD-LTE：B1/B2/B3/B4/B5/B7/B8/B12/B17/B18/B19/B20/B25/B26/B28A/B28B；
I've had a few Oppo phones, and like others have said here, the biggest problem is software update speed. Their issue is that they use ColorOS, which is a heavy skin on the phone. They tapered it back some recently, but it still ends up making them delay updates because they have to do so much on their end.
The phones are always solid, high-quality phones. They just care too much about how the phone looks, rather than how current it is.
I have a NEX from China, and it was pretty simple to add Google services working flawlessly.
I assume same will be for FIND X which i have pre-ordered already should get it by 18th July.
I wrote an email to the chief technical officer of ZTE and asked if development for the Axon 7 is still ongoing. Here is a screenshot of the answer.
Can you link exactly who you wrote to? I would like to confirm this.
MishaalRahman said:
Can you link exactly who you wrote to? I would like to confirm this.
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Pm for now to avoid possible email spamming.
As for all the others who read this, here is a little more explanation:
He is the technical chief officer of zte and stands in direct contact with the dev team. He is also the reason we got the zip for disabling system write protection in the first place. Without him i wouldn't have gotten the update.zip (with disabled system write protection) and @raystef66 couldn't have made a flashable zip for us.
Great contact! Thanks.
Anyway to get the PIE IMS so we can get wifi calling working on Oreo or Pie?
amphi66 said:
Great contact! Thanks.
Anyway to get the PIE IMS so we can get wifi calling working on Oreo or Pie?
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Volte works on Oreo china
amphi66 said:
Great contact! Thanks.
Anyway to get the PIE IMS so we can get wifi calling working on Oreo or Pie?
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VoLTE should work on any of the big Oreo ROMs. WFC is hit or miss (even on stock ROM). I'm assuming Oreo is gonna be the last android version we can install and still have these things work (unless some dev out there finds a way to get past this roadblock in the future). Either way, I kinda doubt ZTE would provide any further updates for us beyond Oreo. I'm assuming that the response given in the OP meant that they would fix everything that's still broken and missing on 8.0; not begin development for Pie (especially since the Axon 10 is just around the corner, pulling resources into a 3-year-old phone just isn't a sound decision from a business standpoint).
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pulling resources into a 3-year-old phone just isn't a sound decision from a business standpoint).
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It is if ZTE expect some form of customer loyalty on future purchase decisions. Would you buy the Axon 10/11/12 etc. based on your Axon 7 experience? Yes they had disruptions from trade sanctions etc. but that's not the consumers fault and imo ZTE should be doing everything they can to restore faith in their brand.
They're basically starting again.
They need an affordable flagship like the Axon 7 was. If they don't, it will be hard to gather enough sales to start a customer pool and try for return purchase later on.
Current customers are wary, sceptical and untrusting after that whole fiasco and rightly so.
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Great contact! Thanks.
Anyway to get the PIE IMS so we can get wifi calling working on Oreo or Pie?
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VoLTE nd Wifi calling wok fine for me on ZTE's Oreo B20.
RobboW said:
They're basically starting again.
They need an affordable flagship like the Axon 7 was. If they don't, it will be hard to gather enough sales to start a customer pool and try for return purchase later on.
Current customers are wary, sceptical and untrusting after that whole fiasco and rightly so.
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They just need to copy and paste the Axon 7 with newer specs.
Maybe bumping it to 6" in order to have more internal space would do the trick.
I still can't understand how did they think that the Axon 9 Pro was a good idea. They litterally took all that was great about the A7 and...deleted it.
Now...a bit of an on topic question. Instead of releasing 8.0, could they not enter the Android One program with it...especially since they were aiming for stock experience?
Maybe it's been asked before, but what are the implications of entering the AO program,because IIRC, I may have read some time ago something about a partition not existing on the device and ZTE not gambling with a large release, but I can't remember specifically?
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They just need to copy and paste the Axon 7 with newer specs.
Maybe bumping it to 6" in order to have more internal space would do the trick.
I still can't understand how did they think that the Axon 9 Pro was a good idea. They litterally took all that was great about the A7 and...deleted it.
Now...a bit of an on topic question. Instead of releasing 8.0, could they not enter the Android One program with it...especially since they were aiming for stock experience?
Maybe it's been asked before, but what are the implications of entering the AO program,because IIRC, I may have read some time ago something about a partition not existing on the device and ZTE not gambling with a large release, but I can't remember specifically?
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The vendor partition stuff is something else entirely. Some people believed that ZTE would bring Treble support to the Axon while that made very little sense (Treble is a requirement for phones that SHIP with Oreo and above, but it's optional for Oreo, and its main advantage is it makes it easier for OEMs to update major Android versions). It was developed by djkuz and NFound eventually anyways, but only because of the generic ROM benefits
I don't think you can simply slap Android One certification on the middle of a product's life, but even if they could, it would make absolutely zero sense for them... Why be commited to security updates and newer Android versions on a phone that has surely stopped giving any revenue since long ago? Plus I'm not even sure if people prefer stock Android to stuff like One UI where you have a bunch of options
Do not expect to much from ZTE for the Axon 7. Until now they did not release a stable OS and it will not change for the next update.
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Do not expect to much from ZTE for the Axon 7. Until now they did not release a stable OS and it will not change for the next update.
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Marshmallow and Nougat were perfectly stable, if not the chinese versions. i'd say that counts.
The important thing is them fixing Daydream because it doesn't only entail adding daydream back, to run it properly you need to have thermals and the kernel properly tuned. Daydream should put the phone at ~1.3 GHz but I believe they'll have to mess around to make it work as intended anyways
plus all this is useful for LOS
Marshmallow and Nougat had a very bad design and UI because of mifavor. Oreo is nice but extremly unstable.
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Do not expect to much from ZTE for the Axon 7. Until now they did not release a stable OS and it will not change for the next update.
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What next update?
I thought this device was EOL as far as zte was concerned. There hasn't been an official update since august of last year and that had a security update of july '18. That's 6+ months ago. I think we're on our own now....
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What next update?
I thought this device was EOL as far as zte was concerned. There hasn't been an official update since august of last year and that had a security update of july '18. That's 6+ months ago. I think we're on our own now....
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how can you ignore the OP this much??
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seriously, read the OP first
Also, the chinese version still gets updates, the last one was abt 2 weeks ago?
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how can you ignore the OP this much??
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seriously, read the OP first
Also, the chinese version still gets updates, the last one was abt 2 weeks ago?
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Not ignoring OP at all... Simply going by zte's past actions. I've seen these sort of promises with other devices (moto x pure comes to mind) in the past. I'll believe it when I see it.
Got a link to this update from 2 weeks ago? What was the actual update?
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Not ignoring OP at all... Simply going by zte's past actions. I've seen these sort of promises with other devices (moto x pure comes to mind) in the past. I'll believe it when I see it.
Got a link to this update from 2 weeks ago? What was the actual update?
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All I'm saying is, @GodOfPsychos contacted this ZTE guy, he said that an update was going to be released, and then XDA'S EDITOR IN CHIEF contacted that guy and got the same response (with which an article was made). They can bail at any time, but it's not like they are promising Pie anyways
I'm guessing you can't see the attached screenie in the OP? I can see it just fine from XDA Labs
We won't get official Android Pie for Axon 7.
The most I read into that is update to include cut out features like Daydream, probably a security update too. Just a finish of what Oreo 8.0 was supposed to be. I don't think we will even see official Oreo 8.1
If they had just kept with the whole "best sounding phone" idea I'd probably already have bought another ZTE. It was the thing that distinguished them in the crowded market of samey-same phones. At this point I'm clinging to my Axon 7 with my tight little hands, and any update to its stability will be appreciated. [Full disclosure, I'm running the GSI Liquid Remix unofficial build of Pie, but if they do update the official Oreo and get it rock solid, I could see downgrading just to be on an official ROM.]
1) I noticed the Samsung Galaxy View 2 still appears to be active on the Samsung and AT&T Websites, but is currently out of stock globally and has been for a few months.
Does anyone know if this product is still in production?
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2) If it is still in production, and becomes available again, I do recommend this product for anyone looking for the largest available tablet.
Despite its shortcomings (only 1080p ips, mediocre processor and ram) it remains the largest tablet on the market, and I love mine.
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3) @deadman96385 I know you probably never want to look at Samsung View roms again after that last project, but if production continues on the View2, you may want to buy one :good: and then consider developing an Android 9.0 or 10.0 port (Currently on oreo 8.1).
I doubt it would be a pain like the original View rom. The awful proprietary charger from the View is replaced by standard Samsung usb C port at the very least.
This looks like yet again the only tablet on the market of this size. And it is, at the very least, popular enough to sell out.
The Oreo 8.1 is still supported by the vast majority of apps that don't require deep learning, and still holds 12% market share >>> but with google pushing 9.0 dev I think a 9.0 rom would vastly extend life of this tablet.
Thoughts?
Be well!
Oh are ATT bootloader still locked?
Oh wait are ATT bootloaders still locked with no way around? I thought Samsung devices were unlockable regardless.
If locked then I guess that makes my post irrelevant. Can someone confirm for me?
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Oh wait are ATT bootloaders still locked with no way around? I thought Samsung devices were unlockable regardless.
If locked then I guess that makes my post irrelevant. Can someone confirm for me?
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The bootloader is indeed locked
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The bootloader is indeed locked
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RIP. Understood. Thank you.
Then I will ask one last related question since you are qualified to answer:
How long do you see 8.1 Oreo remaining usable with the majority of app? From what I can tell from the dev release, 9.0 was made so that most apps developed for 9.0 API 28 can easily be backwards compatible with previous api. Is this true? Should I be confident apps will continue to run on oreo for some time to come?
This question should help anyone who stumbles across this thread decide whether or not to buy a used (or new if they ever resupply) Galaxy View2. Because I think if Samsung was going to update it to pi themselves they would have already.
BTW - on sale at best buy right now for $399.
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BTW - on sale at best buy right now for $399.
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I just grabbed one, to use for a project, but I admit that it's kinda brutal that it might be stuck at 8.0 forever. you cant even install Signal on it.
Hopefully a way around this appears to update it to 10.0 into the modern era. Must be why best buy dumped it -- recession plus shipped with end-of-life software
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RIP. Understood. Thank you.
Then I will ask one last related question since you are qualified to answer:
How long do you see 8.1 Oreo remaining usable with the majority of app? From what I can tell from the dev release, 9.0 was made so that most apps developed for 9.0 API 28 can easily be backwards compatible with previous api. Is this true? Should I be confident apps will continue to run on oreo for some time to come?
This question should help anyone who stumbles across this thread decide whether or not to buy a used (or new if they ever resupply) Galaxy View2. Because I think if Samsung was going to update it to pi themselves they would have already.
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a lot of apps dont run on galaxy view 2. mail and youtube and maps will probably always run but lots of niche stuff doesnt run.
Hopefully someone figures out how to get this device from 8.0 to 10.0
Got my View 2 a few days ago and I'm loving it so far!
It would be such a game changer if someone could (somehow) get v10 running on the device.
Right now I can't get AT&T messaging working - I want to receive my text messages from my phone on the tablet - whenever I try to sign in to AT&T messaging I am immediately taken back to the AT&T Messaging login page. I've contacted AT&T support and they said they have created a ticket for support to resolve but not a lot of hope there... At least NumberSync is working.
From the sound of it, it seems it's very unlikely we'll ever see an OS upgrade which is sad but I'm enjoying device as of now!
i heard that samsung might change their mind and provide an update for it! but it might be thru at&t only