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hi
is it required to battery caliberate after flashing new rom?
and when ever i reboot my system either battery jumps from 10% to 30 or more
or becomes less than 10%..
if i should then which app should i use?
any guidnace
plz
TY
No such thing. After you flash a new rom, charge the phone to 100%, turn it off, remove the battery for 30 seconds, replace the battery, turn phone on, enjoy.
Anyone selling you the whole calibration thing is selling you voodoo.
hi
thanks for your reply
plz suggest me best battery app with battery saving feature , suggestion on what we can do with remaining battery , expected full time charge , complete graph or battery usage history by apps?
paid or free , tell me best one
thank you
There's lots of battery apps on Google Play, there's no such thing as the best one, go have a look under the Tools section in Apps (you'll also find some under productivity). Stay away from apps like Juice Defender that claim to save you battery by doing things automatically which you can do yourself in two seconds, these have been proven time & again on XDA to use more juice than they save.
ivl try battery monitor
thank you
No probs ;-)
MistahBungle said:
No such thing. After you flash a new rom, charge the phone to 100%, turn it off, remove the battery for 30 seconds, replace the battery, turn phone on, enjoy.
Anyone selling you the whole calibration thing is selling you voodoo.
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Wouldn't that procedure above be considered calibrating the battery? LOL. J/K. Couldn't resist .
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actually it cannot. this way you only help the system in your phone recognize full capacity of battery (which is not even full because not one battery works at it's full capacity - but it's fullest you will get at this point of your battery life). when it's about calibrating - listen to MistahBungle - it's all voodoo. you cannot calibrate li-ion battery unless you kill it and then revive. by killing it I don't mean depleting it in your phone, because even when phone shows the battery is fully depleted it's really not - there is still some juice in it. you'd have to use e.g. special charger which can drawn juice out of battery and make it really empty. only then your battery is dead and useless. you may revive it by applying cca. 5V but actually it not always works. so you cannot calibrate your battery in home environment.
what you can do is "re-calibrating" so called fuel gauge (description under links given below) and you may also help your system recognize the real state of your battery charge. sometimes it happens that systems readings are wrong and battery is on 85% but system is reading it as 50 or 100%. to help it read battery chip correctly you do the thing MistahBungle so helpfully described. sometimes you even don't have to do it but wait 2-3 charging cycles and system will adjust it's reading itself. by charging cycles I mean charging like from 20-100%. why not from 0%? because even if it's not a real depletion state, li-ion batteries doesn't like the state of being discharged too much.
more on this and lot of other helpfull information you will find here:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
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actually it cannot. this way you only help the system in your phone recognize full capacity of battery (which is not even full because not one battery works at it's full capacity - but it's fullest you will get at this point of your battery life). when it's about calibrating - listen to MistahBungle - it's all voodoo. you cannot calibrate li-ion battery unless you kill it and then revive. by killing it I don't mean depleting it in your phone, because even when phone shows the battery is fully depleted it's really not - there is still some juice in it. you'd have to use e.g. special charger which can drawn juice out of battery and make it really empty. only then your battery is dead and useless. you may revive it by applying cca. 5V but actually it not always works. so you cannot calibrate your battery in home environment.
what you can do is "re-calibrating" so called fuel gauge (description under links given below) and you may also help your system recognize the real state of your battery charge. sometimes it happens that systems readings are wrong and battery is on 85% but system is reading it as 50 or 100%. to help it read battery chip correctly you do the thing MistahBungle so helpfully described. sometimes you even don't have to do it but wait 2-3 charging cycles and system will adjust it's reading itself. by charging cycles I mean charging like from 20-100%. why not from 0%? because even if it's not a real depletion state, li-ion batteries doesn't like the state of being discharged too much.
more on this and lot of other helpfull information you will find here:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
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read that ..
thank you
and is there any way to stop auto startups of apps?i have around 200apps and most of them i use around once a day or not even once
i use android assistant to manage startup but it does on boot and after some time if i check running apps most of apps will be there running
is there any app to block it running automatically? not just at startup ? full control like anything?
thank you
actually I cannot help with that. I don't use such a software and really don't believe in it. but, the fact is that I do not use so many apps. other fact is that surely there is some useful software that could help you with that task, i just do not use one and personally I'm not interested in it. I know that perhaps the best method is to freeze them with titanium but if you use these apps from time to time then it would become complicated and not worth the effort.
still I have few questions:
why would you like to stop them from working? do they drain your battery? if so then check your logs with bbs and find out which ones are draining, try to change their setting or get rid of them, or at least close only these ones. long time ago I was fighting with some apps that I do not use often and they start themselves from time to time. I didn't want to get rid of them, so before every night I was killing them one-by-one from applications menu (actually most of them didn't wake up until I ran them myself). finally, after many tests I got to the point that it doesn't make any difference. apps I was killing, even if running, didn't use any recourses, didn't produce wakelocks, they were just using some RAM. and if it is the reason of your concern then do not be worried - they may use as much RAM as they want - android will free RAM when it will need it.
now I do not kill any apps and by night I lose 0-2% of battery which is my only concern - what should we care more? CPU, RAM - let it work as long as it doesn't stop us from enjoying our phone and make a usage of it uncomfortable.
and if you're worried about packet data then you may limit it for each app using system menu in ICS.
ancilary said:
read that ..
thank you
and is there any way to stop auto startups of apps?i have around 200apps and most of them i use around once a day or not even once
i use android assistant to manage startup but it does on boot and after some time if i check running apps most of apps will be there running
is there any app to block it running automatically? not just at startup ? full control like anything?
thank you
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Thanks dude. I also have the similar problem. I have spent months on it without any improvement. Now I'm quite frustrated and not optimistic on the solution you have provided towards my issue, but your decription gives me a lot of clue.
But my problem is even more tricky, I would like to share it here so see if anyone have met it before, or if I need to start a new thread to deal with it:
The problem can be generally decribed as below:
1. When the battery is fully charged, unplug and consume the juice until the level reach around 30%, then the phone is shut down automatically; after I plugin the power and restart the phone, the battery level is displayed as 0%;
2. After charging for a while from 0% , restart the phone and you will see the battery level directly goes back to 50%, but still with very low voltage;
3. Changing with a new battery won't solve the issue -- though the new battery itself may also have problem(not sure if it is genuine), but I don't think a fake battery and an old battery should behave almost the same, so I don't think it is the battery's problem; criticize if I'm wrong
4. Re-flashing a new rom won't solve the issue either. I have tried different CM9 nightlies and now I'm using CM10 nightlies, none of them is immune to the problem;
5. Clear the battery state won't solve the problem. It is hard to say whether it improves the situation at least a tiny bit. I mean it may work somehow, e.g. My phone used to be shut down at 50% battery level and now it can last to 36%. But it never totally solve the problem once and for all, so I still don't trust this caliberation thing may work.
I hope I have clearly stated my issue. I'm so at the end of my patience, this little bastard have been always torturing me You guys are the last I can count on I really hope I came here earlier so as not to have wasted so much time.
Hi XDA
I have some questions regarding the gs3 battery.
1) Does overnight charging the battery harm the battery?
2) To which percentage should the battery percentage drop before charging it?
3) How can it be that my phone is awake often, dropping the battery more than normal, while I always close all apps and innternet?
Thanks in advance and good sources for the answers are welcome.
Grz Mutn
mutn10 said:
Hi XDA
I have some questions regarding the gs3 battery.
1) Does overnight charging the battery harm the battery?
2) To which percentage should the battery percentage drop before charging it?
3) How can it be that my phone is awake often, dropping the battery more than normal, while I always close all apps and innternet?
Thanks in advance and good sources for the answers are welcome.
Grz Mutn
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1. I have never had an issue charging overnight infact this is the only time I charge my phone. I may get corrected hear but I think once the battery is full the charging stops.
2. You can charge your battery at any percentage a common misconception is that this harms batteries, that was true in the old days with but with the newer batteries these days I dont think it is. Also You should not let your battery run right down everytime and your device switch off before charging. I normally do this once a month but everyone has a different opinion with batteries. I am not saying I am right and they are wrong because I no expert these comments are purely my own opinion.
3. Even with apps closed there could be an app still causing a wakelock if you install BBS (BatterBatteryStats) you should be able to see what is causing your battery drain.
carrd said:
1. I have never had an issue charging overnight infact this is the only time I charge my phone. I may get corrected hear but I think once the battery is full the charging stops.
2. You can charge your battery at any percentage a common misconception is that this harms batteries, that was true in the old days with but with the newer batteries these days I dont think it is. Also You should not let your battery run right down everytime and your device switch off before charging. I normally do this once a month but everyone has a different opinion with batteries. I am not saying I am right and they are wrong because I no expert these comments are purely my own opinion.
3. Even with apps closed there could be an app still causing a wakelock if you install BBS (BatterBatteryStats) you should be able to see what is causing your battery drain.
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Hmm I guess I found the app that causes awake time (groupon). Thank for your other opinions.
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Hmm I guess I found the app that causes awake time (groupon). Thank for your other opinions.
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Also be careful with Facebook App if you have it this has been known to cause wakelocks also
Charging ...
mutn10 said:
Hi XDA
I have some questions regarding the gs3 battery.
1) Does overnight charging the battery harm the battery?
2) To which percentage should the battery percentage drop before charging it?
3) How can it be that my phone is awake often, dropping the battery more than normal, while I always close all apps and innternet?
Thanks in advance and good sources for the answers are welcome.
Grz Mutn
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1. Depends on your definition of "harm" - ANY form of charging will "eat" a little out of the "battery health" (for phones, notebokks and anything else) - however I believe that a well-planned charging strategy would be a great thing for a phone! And one at night seems to be perfect
The major trick IMHO is to avoid recharging with high currents - I believe the stand-alone recharger is pushing about 1000 mA while you will get like 475 mA from the USB port of a computer - that last one will generate a slower but MUCH HEALTHIER recharge (and will also avoid overheating). In order to control that you can run a custom ROM in the phone (in such a ROM for instance with the Siyah kernel it is possible to set those values above - and many other - with a program called STweaks). Of course that a smaller recharging current will mean a longer time to 100% but overnight that should not be a problem.
So the bottom line is that you should recharge as needed, and if possible plan for overnight recharging with the smallest current and at the longest possible interval (I try to do it every 2nd or 3rd night - but that is rarely possible - I need to get one of those 4200-4500 mHz batteries ).
2. Lithium can be generally recharged from any percentage - HOWEVER it is recommended to avoid always recharging from the same (high) percentage - that is a well-known problem with notebook batteries that are kept always plugged-in and are going 100% -> 95% -> 100% -> 95% -> 100% forever - that generates an aging much larger than expected, and some companies like Lenovo have a special mode of battery recharging strategy specifically to avoid that.
That being said I doubt that you keep your phone in the charger at all times, so that should be less of a problem. However I would avoid recharging too often from above 80-90%.
3. I understand you have found your "bad app"
A bit of a spaniard in the works here .
Just a warning we have had a number of posts >>> phone on charge all night dead phone in the morning .
Why i dont know but all have been motherboard jobs .
In theory it should turn off at full charge .
jje
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Is there a way around the Facebook App such as turning off notifications, or will it cause wakelocks no matter what? (which means only solution is to remove facebook) ?
thanks.
I ask for an opinion to experts.
I installed the app Battery Life Repair
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.BoshBashStudios.batterydoctorrepair
I can't understand if this app is really effective or if it is a fake. In both cases, if you want to give your opinion can you justify it with technical considerations?
It's strange to see so many high ratings, but it is also strange that there are no tests or in-depth reviews.
Sorry for bringing a thread from the dead but I am also very curious as to how this app works (or if it does at all).
Such apps don't work.. They're usually fake and earn money through ads. Battery life is purely hardware and can't be increased by a software other than changing kernel features...
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MasterAwesome said:
Such apps don't work.. They're usually fake and earn money through ads. Battery life is purely hardware and can't be increased by a software other than changing kernel features...
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what a load of crap.
You can increase the length of your battery time betweeen charges by lessening the load on the cpu(which causes ups in voltage usage).
we reduce cpu load by reducing ram usage too.
also, turning the display brightness down and turning off unneeded features like bluetooth or wifi.
the kernel can be made more efficient like you said. so i agree there.
Lgrootnoob said:
what a load of crap.
You can increase the length of your battery time betweeen charges by lessening the load on the cpu(which causes ups in voltage usage).
we reduce cpu load by reducing ram usage too.
also, turning the display brightness down and turning off unneeded features like bluetooth or wifi.
the kernel can be made more efficient like you said. so i agree there.
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Trying to do that the battery app takes more battery by being in the background always. sometimes it also steals data.. There's no point you're better of without it.
Regards
MasterAwesome
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MasterAwesome said:
Trying to do that the battery app takes more battery by being in the background always. sometimes it also steals data.. There's no point you're better of without it.
Regards
MasterAwesome
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Of course the battery does nothing.
thats what the settings > battery
function is for anyways. to see the resource hog of the system.
so it works in identifiying the problem.
but your right, the battery app is unnecessary since we already have a stock implementation.
but that wasn't my point. my point is that you can modify the userspace for more battery between charges.
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Of course the battery does nothing.
thats what the settings > battery
function is for anyways. to see the resource hog of the system.
so it works in identifiying the problem.
but your right, the battery app is unnecessary since we already have a stock implementation.
but that wasn't my point. my point is that you can modify the userspace for more battery between charges.
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At the end of day we agree that battery apps are not required... Android is pretty optimized by itself.
Decrease screen brightness and timeout it takes the highest amount of battery.
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MasterAwesome said:
At the end of day we agree that battery apps are not required... Android is pretty optimized by itself.
Decrease screen brightness and timeout it takes the highest amount of battery.
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"At the end of day we agree that battery apps are not required.." obviously.
"Android is pretty optimized by itself. " its not about android(I didnt mention android being optimized, I figured that it was pretty obvious and didnt need discussion), it was about android having the tools to find the problem. see the following:
"Decrease screen brightness and timeout it takes the highest amount of battery. "and this brings me to MY POINT.
We are talking about app hogs which ARE a problem.
I would expect the OP has enough of a brain to reduce the brightness.
You have app services that use tons of ram and cpu. Why can't you accept that?
The theory behind a battery app is legitimate, but the OP just has to use the builtin android application.
Lgrootnoob said:
"At the end of day we agree that battery apps are not required.." obviously.
"Android is pretty optimized by itself. " its not about android(I didnt mention android being optimized, I figured that it was pretty obvious and didnt need discussion), it was about android having the tools to find the problem. see the following:
"Decrease screen brightness and timeout it takes the highest amount of battery. "and this brings me to MY POINT.
We are talking about app hogs which ARE a problem.
I would expect the OP has enough of a brain to reduce the brightness.
You have app services that use tons of ram and cpu. Why can't you accept that?
The theory behind a battery app is legitimate, but the OP just has to use the builtin android application.
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Confrontation Much
The original posting he said was that software does not have impact on hardware in that it can not fix physical damage on the battery such as dead cells.
Such apps are just fake.
I purchased a new phone and same day I installed repair battery life. It showed 8 low cells and one inactive. It claimed it will increase my battery life by 18% (WOW, LOL)
After that I tried again and it showed me all green cells.
I cleared the app's cache, cleared data and uninstalled the app.
Later on, I calibrated the battery with another app called "battery fix" which needs root and deletes batterystats.bin file
I once installed "repair battery life" and guess what? It showed again 8 low cells and one inactive.
It's just another fake crAPP
Number of cells shown suggests fake.
I tried Battery Life Repair by "Extended Apps " and I remain very sceptical. Nowhere it is explained what the app actually does.
A normal Phone has one or two cells. This app shows 100 cells and claims that some are broken or damaged and the software can repair it through some extraordinary (supernatural?) process. It Claims it repaired these problematic cells (like 5 out of 100), although it physically makes no sense considering a phone has one or two cells, which are usually either working or broken. Then it also requests access to media, identity and accounts, which is suspicious given what the app claims to do.
Comments in the app-store just prove to me that placebos work. On the other hand, some people figured that if the "battery repair" is done, the app data is deleted and the app run again, it again shows the same amount of "problematic cells".
aj1789 said:
I tried Battery Life Repair by "Extended Apps " and I remain very sceptical. Nowhere it is explained what the app actually does.
A normal Phone has one or two cells. This app shows 100 cells and claims that some are broken or damaged and the software can repair it through some extraordinary (supernatural?) process. It Claims it repaired these problematic cells (like 5 out of 100), although it physically makes no sense considering a phone has one or two cells, which are usually either working or broken. Then it also requests access to media, identity and accounts, which is suspicious given what the app claims to do.
Comments in the app-store just prove to me that placebos work. On the other hand, some people figured that if the "battery repair" is done, the app data is deleted and the app run again, it again shows the same amount of "problematic cells".
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I strongly suspected myself this app is complete bull twaddle, but I was also curious so installed it just to see what it makes of the battery "analysis".
It magically 'fixed' the problem cells, but unlike you on a subsequent retest the previously 'faulty cells' had still be 'fixed'.
I wonder how this app is polling the 'cells'? Or is it just making up some fancy graphics and not actually doing anything at all under the hood?
I also wonder what would happen if I switched batteries or took the existing one out and in again? Maybe I'll try at some point.
This is my experience.
I thought this is impossible but i installed it just to try..
In that time i first tryed it i had Galaxy 3 Apollo. Battery was so bad that percentage was going low when you were looking on it and after some short period of time phone just shutdown by itself.. I decided to try it so maybe i save money for new battery. With few shutdowns i finally did it and something happen. Battery didn't go low that way and phone stoped turning off by itself!! It could stop while i was washing dishes but it was "fixed" after i used that app, so i dont know. I don't personally think that some app can fix hardware issue but i think it works as some "refresh" or something like that. I don't know really but in my case was money saver what ever that is. Oh and i'm talking about "Extended Apps" app.. :/
I'm also skeptical about these things but unlike others in here, I tried before drawing conclusion with my awesome rational brain. And yes it works marvelous. My Galaxy Note 3 battery is working as brand new, giving 3 to 4 days without charging and it was 1 to 2 days before the app. I don't think that is placebo effect and I have absolutely no idea what the app does, and too bad the dev doesn't have a website, but the app is good. Also using the other app from the same dev, called Advanced Battery Calibrator and letting the phone charge till 100% while off did wonderful things.
I still wonder how it can fix hardware of it simply erase data from the battery increasing risk to catch on fire, but it does work.
As far as I know, the software keeps data of the battery in other to avoid charges over 100%. With time that will effectively make the battery charge till 99% then 98% and goes on, till u have a battery on 70% for example but the software say its 100%, because it wont charge more than that to avoid the risk of fire. Perhaps this app erase that data and increase the risk of mal function. But I have no idea.
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I'm also skeptical about these things but unlike others in here, I tried before drawing conclusion with my awesome rational brain. And yes it works marvelous. My Galaxy Note 3 battery is working as brand new, giving 3 to 4 days without charging and it was 1 to 2 days before the app. I don't think that is placebo effect and I have absolutely no idea what the app does, and too bad the dev doesn't have a website, but the app is good. Also using the other app from the same dev, called Advanced Battery Calibrator and letting the phone charge till 100% while off did wonderful things.
I still wonder how it can fix hardware of it simply erase data from the battery increasing risk to catch on fire, but it does work.
As far as I know, the software keeps data of the battery in other to avoid charges over 100%. With time that will effectively make the battery charge till 99% then 98% and goes on, till u have a battery on 70% for example but the software say its 100%, because it wont charge more than that to avoid the risk of fire. Perhaps this app erase that data and increase the risk of mal function. But I have no idea.
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If your battery has dead cells im sorry but no app will fix it, unless its magic! It must replace the cells somehow magically! Omg do some basic research these apps are fake garbage! Maybe it can fix my dead s3 battery hahaha NOT!
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If your battery has dead cells im sorry but no app will fix it, unless its magic! It must replace the cells somehow magically! Omg do some basic research these apps are fake garbage! Maybe it can fix my dead s3 battery hahaha NOT!
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ofc is not gona revive a battery,but even that it can be made,in some cases,i saw that of ppl proving that live,they took a dead battery and test it to show that it is dead and just used another same model battery that it was working and hold them connected like 5 min toghether,after that it just put the dead battery at charged and what u know?it did revived it,no idea how the battery actually work,but it seems that they can actually get stuck somehow and they can get a "forced" revive,like a CPR for humans,but like i said,not working with all,same as like on humans,not all can be revived with CPR,but i guess that this app has to do something coz like some in here i did used it and ... the magic worked,not on a dead battery,so scheptical as it sounds,on some batteries it works even tho maybe is not something hardware but maybe just something software,why i say that,i had a tablet and a few times when i was restarting the tablet,after a min was turning off coz of battery 0%,and that after i got the recharger plug off,so it was 100% for sure,after a few times restarting the tablet it was showing again 100 % as it should be,so i guess that not even android is always reading the data correctly
Of course is a full fake. Uninstall them, becouse they can do bitcoin mining or whatever gain trough pupup and promotions., as well as getting your data.
1) Ion litium or polymer batteries cannot be repaired.
2) cells are 1 or max 4 not 256 as those apps shows
3) clearing the cache brings different fault cells
4) reinastalling shows other broken cells
5) strangely the application after "repair" stays open in background. So at least the word "repair" is a joke fooling people.
6) dynamic ram and ddr are always powered and refresh cycles are required in all the address space generally, so saying that freeing ram allow more battery duration is a fake.
7) whatever the app does to have battery least more is just sw and tricky. I would not rely on that and remove the app.
Wow...
MasterAwesome did u disable Lgrootnoob's account because it says its disabled was it because he challenged ur opinion? lol childish much? Who cares if it works it either works or it doesnt I dont see it hurting me
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MasterAwesome did u disable Lgrootnoob's account because it says its disabled was it because he challenged ur opinion? lol childish much? Who cares if it works it either works or it doesnt I dont see it hurting me
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Didnt notice this was my brothers account he uses my phone
Hello, there's a way to calibrate your battery without root.
to calibrate your battery, i found by my self a way to(when i did it, the battery time left was increased):
1)charge your phone to 100% battery.
2)turn on- wifi, auto rotation, bluetooth...(everything that is consuming battery not including apps)
3)leave your phone with screen off.
4)discharge much as you can.
5)when you finished, charge your phone and don't use the phone.
optional:
if you want a proof that this is worked- open settings and see how much time left for your battery(you will see that it had been increased).
FYI I just finished testing Battery Life Repair 2018 by running it on a new Android tablet with a huge 8000+mAh battery. It reported about 14 weak or bad cells out of a total of 120 cells. When told to fix those cells, it requests you to download another of their apps to help support them. Just say YES, then kick back out without downloading and the fix finishes. I had hardware "USB Safety Tester" connected during this test (it displays various info including the charging voltage and amperage). With about 12% of the cells reported bad, after the fix the Tester recorded zero increase in Volts or Amps. So it maintained a steady watt draw from the charger even after 14 more cells were now drawing watts to charge. Next I cleared storage on the app, ran it again, and got 12 different cells reported to have problems. Fixed those cells, and again, no change in charge draw.
I also found it strange that it would use WIFI and Cell Data and run in the background. Why?
The Battery Life Repair app reports that my Galaxy S5 also has 120 cells in its battery. Seeing as almost 99% of phones and tables have a SINGLE cell in their battery (one or two phones have 2 cells), the display of a 120 cell grid seems rather fishy. Having a 120 cell battery requires cell balancing hardware and software that that would add to the cost of the phone, plus make the battery physically larger. My electric bike has about 80-90 cells in it and it weighs about 15lbs and is 30,000 mAh and 47 volts. Hard to do in one or two cells. That is a good example of why a multi cell (3.6 v each?) battery is needed. But not a cell phone or tablet.
I know my test is not the most scientific, but at least I did check for a change in wattage draw before and after fixing cells, and not just ecstatically claim my battery has improved.
So I call Battery Repair Life 2018 to be a steaming pile of BS that is probably robbing you of your contacts and other personal information while running in the background sucking up your data plan. But, hey, that's just me.
So take apps like Ampere for example, they show some battery-related stats, one of which is battery health. I've yet to see any other value than "Healthy". So wondering how does the app / system determine the battery to be in good shape or not? Does it calculate the current maximum charge the battery can hold and compare to maximum, something like 2970mAh / 3000mAh can be considered healthy? Does it use the voltage value? Does it just use the temperature?
To provide context, my Note 5 is feeling like the battery has gone bad, I'm getting very limited screen on time even with light usage. Ampere and similar apps still show my battery as "Healthy", so I don't know if it's just a bogus stat or something scientific and can be trusted (which means my problem lies in something software-related).
Thanks for any input!
Hi,
So I've been using an app called Battery Charge Limit from the Play Store (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.slash.batterychargelimit) to limit my battery charging upto 80% using root access. This was to increase the longevity of the battery.
Worked fine on Oreo, but now for some reason it doesn't seem to stop the battery charging at 80% on Pie. I was wondering if anyone else has encountered this issue and has found a fix/workaround?
I know its probably better just to ask the app developers, but I was just wondering if anyone else is having this issue as I also have access to an S7 Edge on OneUI Pie and it doesn't seem to have any issues.
Thanks
DBZLegend9000 said:
Hi,
So I've been using an app called Battery Charge Limit from the Play Store (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.slash.batterychargelimit) to limit my battery charging upto 80% using root access. This was to increase the longevity of the battery.
Worked fine on Oreo, but now for some reason it doesn't seem to stop the battery charging at 80% on Pie. I was wondering if anyone else has encountered this issue and has found a fix/workaround?
I know its probably better just to ask the app developers, but I was just wondering if anyone else is having this issue as I also have access to an S7 Edge on OneUI Pie and it doesn't seem to have any issues.
Thanks
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The xda thread for it is here: https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/to...2&share_fid=3793&share_type=t&link_source=app
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DBZLegend9000 said:
Hi,
So I've been using an app called Battery Charge Limit from the Play Store (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.slash.batterychargelimit) to limit my battery charging upto 80% using root access. This was to increase the longevity of the battery.
Worked fine on Oreo, but now for some reason it doesn't seem to stop the battery charging at 80% on Pie. I was wondering if anyone else has encountered this issue and has found a fix/workaround?
I know its probably better just to ask the app developers, but I was just wondering if anyone else is having this issue as I also have access to an S7 Edge on OneUI Pie and it doesn't seem to have any issues.
Thanks
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I do not see any sense in such charging settings, the V30 with 100% notification is still charging for 30 minutes with low current and then only reaches a physical 100% battery which is to save the battery. As the program disconnects charging at 80% it will be physical about 70% = 2/3 for battery use. You probably don't discharge the battery less than 30% because you will "damage it". Then use 1/3 charging it 3 times at the same time as I do ... So think about whether after these 4 years you won't have a more dead battery than I, kids, I charge 15> 100%.
Yes, the answer is simple, charge up to 100% and disconnect immediately, just like LG limits charging to physical 95% so that the battery does not lose capacity.
marcinb24 said:
I do not see any sense in such charging settings, the V30 with 100% notification is still charging for 30 minutes with low current and then only reaches a physical 100% battery which is to save the battery. As the program disconnects charging at 80% it will be physical about 70% = 2/3 for battery use. You probably don't discharge the battery less than 30% because you will "damage it". Then use 1/3 charging it 3 times at the same time as I do ... So think about whether after these 4 years you won't have a more dead battery than I, kids, I charge 15> 100%.
Yes, the answer is simple, charge up to 100% and disconnect immediately, just like LG limits charging to physical 95% so that the battery does not lose capacity.
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Fair enough. I simply limit it to 80% as from what I understand the majority of battery wear happens between 80-100%, even if it is charging at a much lower voltage and current.
Even if the phone doesn't show the true values of physical charge, a physical 70% charge is enough to get me through the day and I don't worry too much about how much battery I drain so only put the phone back to charge when it's at ~5%. So only charge the phone once a day.
Even if it may/may not make a difference to longevity it's worth a shot. At best it'll improve the lifespan of the battery, at worst it'll do nothing with normal degradation.
Maybe in a year or so when 80% charge can't get me through the day I might drop the limit. For now it seems worth a try.
DBZLegend9000 said:
Fair enough. I simply limit it to 80% as from what I understand the majority of battery wear happens between 80-100%, even if it is charging at a much lower voltage and current.
Even if the phone doesn't show the true values of physical charge, a physical 70% charge is enough to get me through the day and I don't worry too much about how much battery I drain so only put the phone back to charge when it's at ~5%. So only charge the phone once a day.
Even if it may/may not make a difference to longevity it's worth a shot. At best it'll improve the lifespan of the battery, at worst it'll do nothing with normal degradation.
Maybe in a year or so when 80% charge can't get me through the day I might drop the limit. For now it seems worth a try.
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Just for your information, deep discharges are also not very good for Lion batteries. Discharging to 5% regularly is as bad, if not worse, than charging to 100%. The optimal is to always keep the battery level between 40%-80%.
I am not so sure if that will make any visible real world difference since most people don't tend to keep their phones for too long. And since that limits the effective battery capacity too much, I would suggest that you don't worry too much about charging/discharging too much.
DBZLegend9000 said:
Hi,
So I've been using an app called Battery Charge Limit from the Play Store (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.slash.batterychargelimit) to limit my battery charging upto 80% using root access. This was to increase the longevity of the battery.
Worked fine on Oreo, but now for some reason it doesn't seem to stop the battery charging at 80% on Pie. I was wondering if anyone else has encountered this issue and has found a fix/workaround?
I know its probably better just to ask the app developers, but I was just wondering if anyone else is having this issue as I also have access to an S7 Edge on OneUI Pie and it doesn't seem to have any issues.
Thanks
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To answer your original question, the same feature works as intended on a different app (AccuBattery) on my phone, stock unrooted open EU H93030b. So it looks like your problem is not the OS but the app.
PIntus_aleborn said:
Just for your information, deep discharges are also not very good for Lion batteries. Discharging to 5% regularly is as bad, if not worse, than charging to 100%. The optimal is to always keep the battery level between 40%-80%.
I am not so sure if that will make any visible real world difference since most people don't tend to keep their phones for too long. And since that limits the effective battery capacity too much, I would suggest that you don't worry too much about charging/discharging too much.
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Yeah I am aware that discharging to 5% can be just as bad for the battery. But even if I charged to 100% I would still use the phone till there was only 5% left. So I just thought might as well try to limit the charging and see if it makes a difference on the long run, since 80% gets me through a the day anyway.
PIntus_aleborn said:
To answer your original question, the same feature works as intended on a different app (AccuBattery) on my phone, stock unrooted open EU H93030b. So it looks like your problem is not the OS but the app.
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Thanks for your help! I did try out Accubattery and yes it detects when the battery is at 80%. Just wish it could set limits with root access as well.
In any case, I seem to have found a solution now. There's a Magisk module called Advanced Charging Control (ACC). This seems to work well and limits charging to 80%. It also has a companion app that you can use to set your own preferences and limits.
I've linked the relevant thread below, might be useful to others.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/module-magic-charging-switch-cs-v2017-9-t3668427/amp/
DBZLegend9000 said:
Yeah I am aware that discharging to 5% can be just as bad for the battery. But even if I charged to 100% I would still use the phone till there was only 5% left. So I just thought might as well try to limit the charging and see if it makes a difference on the long run, since 80% gets me through a the day anyway.
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Your doing more worse then good letting the phone go to 5%. That app will not do ANYTHING for you.
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I find ACC works well at stopping the chargeing at a certain % level.
Hoiwever then while still connected to usb it draws power from the battery - not good.
Battery charge Limit on Oreo stoped charging and used then power from usbb onwards while still connected.
I wonder how ACC stops the charging on Pie, i.e. with what control file. Has anyone got an idea?
I foudn out that the switch is /sys/devices/platform/lge-unified-nodes/charging_enabled. This starts/stops the chargi8ng.
Unfortunately, on Pie, when this is set to disabled from then on power ist not drawn from the charger but from the battery.
Is there any other switch / wax to prevent this?
Ich want charging to be stopped and from then on power to be taken from the charger while connected to it.
Here are the paths to the CTRL files that I've found to work with the two ROMs that I've used recently:
Havoc-OS wired and wireless: /sys/devices/platform/lge-unified-nodes/charging_enable (no 'd' on the end, unlike what bladecgn gave)
Lineage OS wired: /sys/class/power_supply/battery/charging_enabled
Lineage OS wireless: /sys/class/power_supply/dc-wireless/charging_enabled
One quirk that I've noticed is that, on wireless, the app ignores the "Recharge below" setting and starts recharging as soon as the percentage drops just 1% below the max (ex. if the max is 80% and the charge drops to 79%, it'll immediately recharge back to 80%, even if "Recharge below" is set at 76%).
For the record, the ROM that I'm using is LineageOS 17.1, so the app definitely still works on Android 10.
bladecgn said:
I foudn out that the switch is /sys/devices/platform/lge-unified-nodes/charging_enabled. This starts/stops the chargi8ng.
Unfortunately, on Pie, when this is set to disabled from then on power ist not drawn from the charger but from the battery.
Is there any other switch / wax to prevent this?
Ich want charging to be stopped and from then on power to be taken from the charger while connected to it.
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Were you able to figure out how to use only power from the charger instead of the battery, @bladecgn?
Osprey00 said:
Here are the paths to the CTRL files that I've found to work with the two ROMs that I've used recently:
Havoc-OS wired and wireless: /sys/devices/platform/lge-unified-nodes/charging_enable (no 'd' on the end, unlike what bladecgn gave)
Lineage OS wired: /sys/class/power_supply/battery/charging_enabled
Lineage OS wireless: /sys/class/power_supply/dc-wireless/charging_enabled
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Stock Pie doesn't have the /sys/class/power_supply/battery/charging_enabled file, but it does have /sys/class/power_supply/battery/battery_charging_enabled. Would that work?
aospray said:
Stock Pie doesn't have the /sys/class/power_supply/battery/charging_enabled file, but it does have /sys/class/power_supply/battery/battery_charging_enabled. Would that work?
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I don't know. You'll just have to try. It's a process of trial and error to find which path works with which ROMs.