well through testing almost all of the roms here in this section i have found out that every rom does have 3g but if you select HSDPA/HSUPA you will lose your 3G connection and can only have it again if you disable HSDPA/HSUPA. This seems very odd because the hermes and kaiser would switch between the two depending on which one had the stronger connection. i welcome others to test this as i think it is interesting and should be looked into.
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well through testing almost all of the roms here in this section i have found out that every rom does have 3g but if you select HSDPA/HSUPA you will lose your 3G connection and can only have it again if you disable HSDPA/HSUPA. This seems very odd because the hermes and kaiser would switch between the two depending on which one had the stronger connection. i welcome others to test this as i think it is interesting and should be looked into.
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Hmmm Curious..
I am currently running RomeOS 1.21 and am about to update to 1.51.
mine switches no problem between the two.
If i can't get a HSDPA signal then it auto switches to 3G..
will see if the new rom changes anything.
Dean
let me know because i have been observing and have only seen it auto change from H to E or G whichs sucks when it use to go from H to 3G. travel the entire bay area for my job and both phones side by side with me act different. so wierd.
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let me know because i have been observing and have only seen it auto change from H to E or G whichs sucks when it use to go from H to 3G. travel the entire bay area for my job and both phones side by side with me act different. so wierd.
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I Thought H was the same as 3g. Isn't Att's 3G network run on HSDPA?
HackMimic said:
well through testing almost all of the roms here in this section i have found out that every rom does have 3g but if you select HSDPA/HSUPA you will lose your 3G connection and can only have it again if you disable HSDPA/HSUPA. This seems very odd because the hermes and kaiser would switch between the two depending on which one had the stronger connection. i welcome others to test this as i think it is interesting and should be looked into.
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HSDPA/HSUPS is 3G. If you are referring to WCDMA vs HSPA there would not be a stronger connection for either because they are on the same frequency.
Fact is on the Hermes/Kaiser the HSPA was downstream only (HSDPA) , on the raph its has bi-directional HSPA (HSDPA and HSUPA) therefor the towers you are broadcasting to with the device will have HSPA mode on continuously as apposed to only when you are receiving from them since the device is receiving and transmitting using HSPA.....which is why the HSDPA mode "H" symbol only appeared during data transfer on the older devices, there was normally a short delay (when using the device as a modem for example) before the "H" appeared and the data began coming in.
Notice how you need to reboot if you choose to deactive HSPA alltogether? The radio stack probably needs to start a new session on the network to change from HSPA back to UMTS only. Indeed when you set standard 3G mode you should get the "3G" symbol rather than "H".
The service rep at ATT told me the other day that HSDPA is actually different then 3G. THe HSDPA is typically meant for the Laptop Connect cards. Since the inception of the iPhone on 3G if you haven't noticed your speeds have dropped significantly.
How true is this I don't know...but when I am using a ROM like RRE that has HSDPA my speeds are much faster then with 3G.
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The service rep at ATT told me the other day that HSDPA is actually different then 3G. THe HSDPA is typically meant for the Laptop Connect cards. Since the inception of the iPhone on 3G if you haven't noticed your speeds have dropped significantly.
How true is this I don't know...but when I am using a ROM like RRE that has HSDPA my speeds are much faster then with 3G.
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HSPA (3.5G) is just another coding method, it still uses the 3G frequencies as with UMTS (aka normal 3G). The theoretical bandwidth due to the more complex an efficient coding method means you can get ALOT more bandwidth down the same frequency than with UMTS. So technically UMTS and HSPA can both be encompassed into the "3G" terminology although they use different coding techniques, the video calling and voice stuff are handled identically afaik, data transmission is where they differ.
This kind of improvement can be seen in the 2G technologies with GSM/GPRS/EDGE.
HSDPA is a "higher speed" data connection than 3G... but its still a "3G" frequency data connection. So on-the-face-of-it, they are one and same, just one is faster than the other.
thank you so much. i am a very visual and analytical person. love to compare behavour. glad i got a real answer about this as i have been reading for days on this and it seems kind of cloudy with the fuze on information. thank you again for the replys.
Wow, there's quite a bit of information, some conflicting, about the various 3G-related terminologies here. So I might as well add my take on it all
Let's compare 2G terminologies to 3G ones, as that should make it easier for some to understand.
GSM - the very basic 2G standard
UMTS - the very basic 3G standard
GPRS - upgraded GSM to packet switching - faster data access - dubbed 2.5G
HSDPA - upgraded UMTS to faster downlink speeds - dubbed 3.5G
EDGE - upgraded GPRS to faster data access - dubbed 2.75G
HSUPA - upgraded UMTS to faster uplink speeds - dubbed 3.75G (occasionally)
Finally, HSPA is simply a term encompassing HSDPA and HSUPA.
I hope this helps more than it hurts
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GSM - the very basic 2G standard
UMTS - the very basic 3G standard
GPRS - upgraded GSM to packet switching - faster data access - dubbed 2.5G
HSDPA - upgraded UMTS to faster downlink speeds - dubbed 3.5G
EDGE - upgraded GPRS to faster data access - dubbed 2.75G
HSUPA - upgraded UMTS to faster uplink speeds - dubbed 3.75G (occasionally)
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There i fixed it for you
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There i fixed it for you
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WCDMA is the air interface for UMTS as
TDMA is the air interface for GSM.
At the same time, GSM is used to describe a phone system that uses GSM/TDMA and UMTS/WCDMA versus the CDMA phone system used by Sprint/Verizon/Qualcomm.
Confused yet?
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WCDMA is the air interface for UMTS as
TDMA is the air interface for GSM.
At the same time, GSM is used to describe a phone system that uses GSM/TDMA and UMTS/WCDMA versus the CDMA phone system used by Sprint/Verizon/Qualcomm.
Confused yet?
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PLEAAAASEEE can we go into how OFDM and QPSK work?? i want to see some heads explode...scanners style.
NuShrike said:
WCDMA is the air interface for UMTS as
TDMA is the air interface for GSM.
At the same time, GSM is used to describe a phone system that uses GSM/TDMA and UMTS/WCDMA versus the CDMA phone system used by Sprint/Verizon/Qualcomm.
Confused yet?
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LOL, newbs reading this will and should be confused. I only edited it to make his comparisons between GSM and UMTS which is should be, not GSM and WCDMA which aren't in the same "group"
shotta35 said:
LOL, newbs reading this will and should be confused. I only edited it to make his comparisons between GSM and UMTS which is should be, not GSM and WCDMA which aren't in the same "group"
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*head explode*
what are decent speeds for HSPA connections?
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Thanks. I really shouldn't post anything when it's late, especially when my head feels twice its size due to a particularly annoying cold
NuShrike and Mr. Vanx has explained it.
These jargons always confusing for us, laymans. Easiest term is i think CDMA (2000,1X, EVDO) is used almost exclusively in US, while GSM and WCDMA (UMTS) is in almost everywhere else of the world (around 3.5 billon users as of now - open www.gsmworld.com). Except Japan, they have their own customized system.
Reasons of difference? Matter of choice, more like when you decide using VHS instead of BetaMax. I think part of the reason why US choose CDMA instead of GSM you may ask Qualcomm's technical people, as they hold majority of the copyrights and licenses in CDMA technology. Not only in driverless chipsets... LoL.
Actually, we in Indonesia also adopt CDMA in smaller and narrower market. But the gov limit them to be Fixed Wireless. Now, what does the jargon: Fixed Wireless means?? Another head exploded... LoL =D
3G icon shows when the phone's sitting idle, H shows when data's being transferred.
My phone shows H all the time now because this market has moved on from UMTS + HSPDA to a HSPA market now. This is ONLY as a result of using the non-AT&T ROM, if you use that it will say 3G because AT&T has disabled it (the icon, not speeds) to cause less confusion.
As for what's typical HSPA speeds? Well on the AT&T network i've seen as high as 2Mbps (on a 3.6Mbps HSPA network) but there are places in Europe that are deploying 7.2Mbps and in Australia they are launching 21Mbps!!!
Hi
Our O1 is HSDPA 7.2 Mbps acroding to spec sheets but in the settings it shows either GSM or WCDMA. There is no HSDPA.
Is HSDPA included in the GSM settings?
I am getting very low speeds even when it says 3G in the notifications bar so was just wondering.
WCDMA deployments are usually marketed as UMTS.
UMTS networks in many countries have been or are in the process of being upgraded with High Speed Downlink Packet Access (HSDPA), sometimes known as 3.5G.
So the answer to your question is: HSDPA is included in WCDMA settings. Or properly said, it is a feature of the WCDMA connection mode. Your phone supports it. If you get low speeds, then your operator doesn't offer this service in your area. Or at all.
If you have never seen an "H" in your status bar, only "G" or "3G", that't the answer: no such service in your area from your mobile operator.
I actually see H and 3G most of the time with it goin to E(EDGE) or G(GPRS) very rarely.
I was just wondering why it wasn't given in the settings.
And the speeds remain poor. Even at nights, assuming less traffic/users, the speeds rarely rise above 40 KBps. I am not looking for 3.6 Mbps or 7.2 Mbps but atleast speeds in the range of 1Mbps(128KBps) should be there.
Anyway, i guess its my operator that sucks!
Now that number portability has been rolled out here in India its time to switch operators!
Thanks for the reply. Upped that meter a little for ya!
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I was just wondering why it wasn't given in the settings.
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The reason why you don't see HSDPA as an option in your menu is because the WCDMA connection will automatically work at its best: HSDPA if available or 3G otherwise. Low speed even if your phone is connected using HSDPA is definitely your operator's fault.
Glad I was able to shed some light on this matter and thanks for the appreciation.
Does anyone know how to configure the way the phone lock to the different frequency towers? I.e. can we create a rule on how it works out which band it uses first.
i.e. In my area, i can get 2G, 3G and 850 WCDMA 3G. I want to configure my mobile to use the priority in order of
1. 2G
2. 850 WCDMA 3G
3. 3G
Anyone knows how to do this? Thx.
You can't control this as the towers tell the phone priorties. If everyone could choose whatever is "best" - say 2G - then the 2G channel would be jammed and then the 3G channel would be sitting idle.
The base station and the phone communicate and then mutually switch frequencies or channels.
You can manually lock the phone to 2G of-course then manually switch to 3G if/when you need speeds or something.
There are very valid reasons to be able to control how the signal is acquired. Some areas where 2G and 3G signals overlap, you may find that the 3G signal is weaker or problematic and you want the phone to hold on to 2G. It could be a particular band, i.e. 850MHz or 1800MHz.
Sometimes a particular 3G band is faulty so we need to exclude it.
Didn't say you didn't have valid reasons, hell i lock my phone to 850mhz when i'm using the stock ROM but on CyanogenMod can't do it. One reason why I did it is because 850mhz is stronger (obviously) but for some reason AT&T is camping everyone in the area on 1900. I'm guessing they are doing some LTE work on the 850mhz frequency so they push everyone off it to do the work needed but when I manually force it back to 850 calls work just as normal
Anyways, you can manually choose em using the network codes as I said, you just can't set up preferences as you so desire as that's controlled by the network, even if it's for reasons as mentioned. You can just disable 1900mhz and therefore only get 3G on 850 but if you go in an area where there's no 850 license then you wont have cell coverage.
I just received a new Android phone from China that was advertised as having support for GSM 850/900/1800/1900 & WCDMA 850/2100 with GPRS/EDGE/HSDPA data capabilities. However I'm only connecting to AT&T on 2G GPRS data at around max 50 kbps. Occasionally I will see an EDGE "E" for a few seconds only to have it disappear. I have tried the phone in several locations where I know there is both good EDGE coverage as well as 850 MHz 3G/HSPA towers but the phone isn't seeing anything. I've tried every setting change as well as a new SIM to no avail.
Does anyone know if there is an app or potentially a dial command, terminal command line utility or external program that can query an android phone to see which GSM/WCDMA bands are supported in the chipset/baseband?
Thanks, Kav
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I just received a new Android phone from China that was advertised as having support for GSM 850/900/1800/1900 & WCDMA 850/2100 with GPRS/EDGE/HSDPA data capabilities. However I'm only connecting to AT&T on 2G GPRS data at around max 50 kbps. Occasionally I will see an EDGE "E" for a few seconds only to have it disappear. I have tried the phone in several locations where I know there is both good EDGE coverage as well as 850 MHz 3G/HSPA towers but the phone isn't seeing anything. I've tried every setting change as well as a new SIM to no avail.
Does anyone know if there is an app or potentially a dial command, terminal command line utility or external program that can query an android phone to see which GSM/WCDMA bands are supported in the chipset/baseband?
Thanks, Kav
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either misadvertised or you misunderstood the ad. If you do some research on those china knock off phones you'd know that they basically don't support any 3G or higher spectrum except the weird ass **** they use in china. I was tempted to buy one of those phones until I discovered that. If you don't like it I suggest returning it asap.
Hi guys. I'm currently using Tctien342's sAOSP Project Rom. Using AT&T's data network in the US, on the signal indicator, it says I'm on the 3G data connection. On the stock MIUI rom, it indicates if I'm on 3G or HSPA+ data network.
I know that HSPA+ is the same as 3G, but is there a way I can have the indicator differentiate 3G or HSPA+ connection?
HSPA+ is different to 3G... HSPA+ is faster than 3G and as fast as the slowest frquencities of LTE
~ Xiaomi Redmi Note 2 Prime ~
HSPA+(Evolved High-Speed Packet Access)
HSPA+ is an evolution HSPA(HSDPA&HSUPA). It is a 4G technology that allows download at a rate of up to 168Mbps.
4G LTE(Long Term Evolution)
LTE is a 4G communication standard that supports HD video streaming, download speed as high as 299.6Mbps
Okay. So there is a difference between the two networks. But what I'm wondering is do the AOSP roms indicate whether I'm on 3G or HSPA+ network?
They actually do, when you are on 3G it shows you "3G", when you are on HSPA it shows you " H", and when you are on HSPA+ it shows you "H+". You will normally be on 3G or H, H+ is tipically used only for data, so if you have it turned off you wont see that plus. It deppends on your carrier too and its bands that uses for data and calls