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i am buying a new phone, the S8+ to be exact, and there have been a lot of new developments (problems) when it comes to rooting your device. i've been rooting my smartphone devices for over 10 years because i love the freedom it brings (er, brought). Now i read things like Netflix, Snapchat, and AndroidPay not working on rooted devices. So i am wondering what people's experiences have been like. Any regrets? Are the trade-offs worth it to you? Is it worth being able to uninstall bloatware and install custom ROMs if a lot of other features and apps will stop working? i know most of this is personal preference but would like to know more about what other people have experienced.
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i am buying a new phone, the S8+ to be exact, and there have been a lot of new developments (problems) when it comes to rooting your device. i've been rooting my smartphone devices for over 10 years because i love the freedom it brings (er, brought). Now i read things like Netflix, Snapchat, and AndroidPay not working on rooted devices. So i am wondering what people's experiences have been like. Any regrets? Are the trade-offs worth it to you? Is it worth being able to uninstall bloatware and install custom ROMs if a lot of other features and apps will stop working? i know most of this is personal preference but would like to know more about what other people have experienced.
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First and foremost, if you plan on getting a US variant, meaning it will have a SD835 in it, Root is unlikely to come soon for it, This doesn't mean it won't happen, just not soon. Now if we're talking international, the ones that ship with an Exynos in it, they're rootable now.
Now, with that out the way let's get into the questions you've asked. There will indeed be a selection of apps that will not work when rooted these days because of "SafetyNet" check failure. Some of the biggest would be Snapchat and Android pay, However they will work with the assistance of Magisk which will allow SafetyNet to pass it's check, Same goes for most apps that fail to work because of root presence.
Heading back to what I first mentioned now, Rooting a Samsung device of recent years comes with some pretty notable cons to it, These would include loss of KNOX, I'm not sure what your stance on security is but if security is a concern to you, losing KNOX is not good. Another big and notable con is you will lose all Samsung pay support permanently, Actually to be honest both of the latter are permanently lost once rooted. If these things aren't a concern for you then by all means root away.
On to other things now, Rooting these days doesn't present as many attractive things as it use to, especially on a Samsung device. Most OEMS have given alternatives to many of the things a user couldn't do without root before. Currently there is no Xposed on Nougat and above, it's being worked on but there is no foreseeable date that can be given on when it will be completed.
So all in all, Until root is achieved for the Snapdragon variants, I'd hold off on a purchase of an S8. If we're talking Exynos variants then by all means get one, as I've said they're rootable right now. But don't let that be the ray of sunshine, though they're rootable, They're in infact an Exynos and Samsung is unwilling to provide source code to their Exynos chipsets. Which basically means to you that custom ROMs will be limited to rehashes of the stock ROMs with a couple mods if possible, AOSP such as Lineage and others like it are next to impossible to happen on Exynos without a source code to work from. It has been done before but the resulting roms took a long time to develop and either were extremely buggy or were just simply not usable for daily use.
I'm pretty sure I've hopefully covered every aspect I could but if you've got any more questions I'll surely answer them.
I apologise for this being so long lol.
Perfect. Thank you, this helped a lot.
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Perfect. Thank you, this helped a lot.
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Glad I could help, Again sorry it was a lengthy response but it was necessary to cover all of it.
hii, I first want to apologize for my bad english, it isn't my native language. secondly i wanted to ask if anybody here knows if lineageos or anything like these custom (nearly stock) roms is going to be available for the oppo find x and how long it would take before they will be released. I'm considering buying a OPX and i am pretty new to buying chinese phones, I heard a lot of complaints about not getting a notification of whatsapp or anything like this, I really don't like the idea that I would have to open whatsapp every time to see if i got a notification or not.
thanks for your help.
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hii, I first want to apologize for my bad english, it isn't my native language. secondly i wanted to ask if anybody here knows if lineageos or anything like these custom (nearly stock) roms is going to be available for the oppo find x and how long it would take before they will be released. I'm considering buying a OPX and i am pretty new to buying chinese phones, I heard a lot of complaints about not getting a notification of whatsapp or anything like this, I really don't like the idea that I would have to open whatsapp every time to see if i got a notification or not.
thanks for your help.
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No apologies needed,make yourself at home @maikonor ........... :good:
While I can't speak regarding Whatsapp,you can get timely notifications for email/other SMS/MMS messaging apps,but,a lot of digging around in the settings is involved. Nothing beyond most users expertise,it's just a lot of redundancy & repitition,but,once set-up,my notifications come through just fine.
As for development,it's not unheard of on Oppo devices,but,is it possible with this phone ? IDK if the current firmware/software will support it.
If the promise of root/ROMs is a must,it's probably gonna be a while before development takes grip,if it ever does.
I'm hoping once the phone becomes available in more markets (international release/ROM),we'll begin to see some hint of what the future holds.
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No apologies needed,make yourself at home @maikonor ........... :good:
While I can't speak regarding Whatsapp,you can get timely notifications for email/other SMS/MMS messaging apps,but,a lot of digging around in the settings is involved. Nothing beyond most users expertise,it's just a lot of redundancy & repitition,but,once set-up,my notifications come through just fine.
As for development,it's not unheard of on Oppo devices,but,is it possible with this phone ? IDK if the current firmware/software will support it.
If the promise of root/ROMs is a must,it's probably gonna be a while before development takes grip,if it ever does.
I'm hoping once the phone becomes available in more markets (international release/ROM),we'll begin to see some hint of what the future holds.
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thanks for your reply, root/custom ROM is not a must for me if, I (in the netherlands) at least can change my home launcher.
Hey buddy, This is my second OPPO variant. From my previous experience on R11P, it was pretty nasty. Nothing was released from OPPO to support unlocking or Root the device. However, with Find X, OPPO has launched globally. It might change its perspectives regarding playing around with the systems. who knows. I hope they do, I love flashing ROMs, lolz!
xstormli said:
Hey buddy, This is my second OPPO variant. From my previous experience on R11P, it was pretty nasty. Nothing was released from OPPO to support unlocking or Root the device. However, with Find X, OPPO has launched globally. It might change its perspectives regarding playing around with the systems. who knows. I hope they do, I love flashing ROMs, lolz!
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Thanks for your reply, I hope they do change perspective and otherwise I will buy an oneplus 6.
The Find 7 was unlocked and they provided a rudimentary support for unlocking and rooting, this is the last vairiant that I'm aware of that saw wide release. Realistically that's all we need to obtain root, which is pretty easy via magisk. The Chinese launcher restrictions wont exist on the international handsets, those are for the Chinese market only and you'll be able to use the phone pretty much as normal in the Android world. It's all about whether or not the bootloader is unlocked. If yes we should be able to get root ourselves without special skills. From there it's just a matter of whether anyone with skills decides to pick up the phone and develop for it and then you've got TWRP and possibly a rom or two to play with.
I hope Oppo could release international version of the Find X rom
The chinese rom is pretty much unusable in North America
If it's like OPPO's other phones from the last few years, it will have a locked bootloader with fastboot removed and they won't release any kernel source.
Chinese OPPO fans tell you，It is very hard to request a root access or source code from OPPO，or just wait a loooong time:crying:，OPPO has always been like this，and sorry about my bad English，i want say more but i do not known how to
Explain in eglish(+_+)
Hard to do in China, there are rules there prohibiting that very thing and even when those don't apply Chinese companies are rightfully afraid to do something their dictator doesn't want because their executives would like to remain among the living. Chinese leaders are pragmatists however who enjoy the riches they deny the masses which means their products need to sell on a global market so they can keep enjoying all the things their populace is denied. The last product Oppo released in the world market was bootloader unlocked and they provided support for rooting. This does not mean the same will happen now but have no doubt they are well aware that their practices with Chinese phones will kill any hope at all of selling in the international market. Something to think about; One+ is owned by Oppo. They are unlocked and fully supported.
I'm considering rooting my phone but I can't see very many custom ROMs for the s9+, I'd love to get stock android onto it or something a little faster. Is it worth doing?
yes. head over to treble forum here at xda so you could try some more aosp/los based roms aside from the los, rr and crdroid here
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I'm considering rooting my phone but I can't see very many custom ROMs for the s9+, I'd love to get stock android onto it or something a little faster. Is it worth doing?
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Not for me, we can use themes and disable many samsung services and apps with a package disabler so me personaly i`am fine. Samsung update frequency has improved so that isn`t an issue for many users also, though some regions may not get as many updates as others.
It's not worth it unless you like the idea of ending with a $900 paperweight.
Not worth it. Disable apps and enjoy your good camera
Not worth it I think. Install adhell 3 which blocks ads and you can remove unnecessary bloatware. And you keep your warranty!
Not worth it, at least for me.
With a rooted device I can't use samsung pay, for example.
Hello good people.
Now I've rooted my phone, I've gotten a taste for Android customisation, I'm hooked. Have been looking at custom ROM lists and a post over at LineageOS18.com (https://www.lineageos18.com/2021/01/best-custom-rom-for-lg-v30v30-android.html) is stating that someone has ported Oxygen OS to the LG V30, Oxygen OS looks to be the best android variant for my taste, but after several hours of 'poking around the internet', this looks like another clickbait pipedream that I've fallen for. And I would have to port it myself (And given my knowledge of Android, I think this would take me a year to do).
So unless someone has a cheeky port they want to share, I'm wondering if people are keen to share their recommendations on Custom Roms for the V30 US998? And why they like them... Mostly looking for a good solid base for further customization. Keen to get rid of all the bloatware, and have as simple an android experience as I can on this beautiful *old* piece of hardware. Extra credit for suggestions that are running later Android versions The only thing I really want to make sure I can bring over is the quad DAC driver.
P.S. Not too many people running Android 10 or 11 on the v30 by the looks of things... There must be a reason for this?
Cheers
The biggest issue I see with a custom ROM is that you can't get VOLTE/VOWIFI working in most cases. That's the reason I never left stock. I think you can get DAC capability, but you need to be on the lookout for that.
So many people are obsessed with "debloat"... frankly, I don't get it. I have moved on to a Galaxy S10+ phone now for my DD, and it's not even rooted. I don't see the point anymore, but to each their own.
That being said, if you're rooted then why not just debloat and refinish as you desire? This way you can keep the stock ROM and it's functionality. Heck, if you want to throw in a kernel, you can do that on stock as well. I guess what I'm asking is, what are you looking for in the replacement ROM? Why can't you get there from stock?
Thanks for your response shwinn8! You're a champion.
Ive heard of this volte issue, but I guess I don't understand it enough for it to scare me off the idea... Should it though? Sounds to me that I'll simply get a lower bitrate in audio quality in calls...
I recently purchased this phone to have it as a backup phone, to learn android customisation more deeply, and as sort of 'media' device. I may have just bought a mp3 player, but the audio quality on this device is good, and the phone and android experiences are a nice bonus.
I'm really not too worried about the bloatware, Its annoying, but I can live with it. I think you're probably right about staying with the stock firmware, but as an android noob, I guess I'm just looking to get the most out of my device, and before I begin the long process of learning custom theming and widgets, I wanted to optimise my starting point - so I figured the questions were worth asking before I started the process.
what am I looking for in a custom ROM?
Im a UX and UI nerd. I have strengths in these areas, I guess... Due to my neurotic, perfectionist nature. It's not a big thing if I cannot customise everything to my liking, I suppose, I'd just like to have as much control over the customisation as I can get.
I like the way the oxygen os looks, and although I don't have experience using it, from what Ive seen, it looks and functions really nicely. The biggest drawcard for me is the simplicity of their app layouts there. It's very minimal and pretty close to what I would design myself.
I would like a starting point for customisation that is as minimal as possible I guess. In an ideal world I would build my own ROM from the ground up, making all the UX and UI decisions myself. Perhaps this is realistic? Is there any software availability that would allow me to relatively easily do this? I am not a good programmer, but do have some experience.
The issue with VOLTE and VOWIFI is that many US carriers are planning to drop their 3G service "soon" (the dates keep changing), and they will require that all devices support VOLTE in order to retain service. In some cases, the carriers are being dumb and dropping support only based on IMEI model number (ie, if they THINK you don't have VOLTE, then they'll drop you anyway). For example, US998 on ATT works and gets VOLTE, but they may drop people just because it's not an ATT IMEE. For this reason, the clock is ticking for the V30 in the USA.
You say you want to customize the UX, and that's fine. I think that once you're rooted, you can do that with any ROM. (I admit, I'm the opposite - I really DON'T care about UX, as long as it works.) Granted, Oxygen is close to what you already want, so that makes it easier, but if you really want to tinker than I might suggest trying to copy the Oxygen UX that you like over to stock... that way you don't lose functionality. This may require some programming and tinkering, which you are able to do with root. AFAIK, custom roms don't have much MORE functionality over stock, and in fact have less if they can't do VOLTE (which they can't).
That's my opinion, at least.
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The issue with VOLTE and VOWIFI is that many US carriers are planning to drop their 3G service "soon" (the dates keep changing), and they will require that all devices support VOLTE in order to retain service. In some cases, the carriers are being dumb and dropping support only based on IMEI model number (ie, if they THINK you don't have VOLTE, then they'll drop you anyway). For example, US998 on ATT works and gets VOLTE, but they may drop people just because it's not an ATT IMEE. For this reason, the clock is ticking for the V30 in the USA.
You say you want to customize the UX, and that's fine. I think that once you're rooted, you can do that with any ROM. (I admit, I'm the opposite - I really DON'T care about UX, as long as it works.) Granted, Oxygen is close to what you already want, so that makes it easier, but if you really want to tinker than I might suggest trying to copy the Oxygen UX that you like over to stock... that way you don't lose functionality. This may require some programming and tinkering, which you are able to do with root. AFAIK, custom roms don't have much MORE functionality over stock, and in fact have less if they can't do VOLTE (which they can't).
That's my opinion, at least.
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Thanks mate. I'll stick with it. Appreciate the input. *thumbsup*
Hi everyone,
let me preface this with saying that I have searched for similar threads to avoid redundant threads, and I didn't find anything similar to this. I apologize in case I somehow missed it and am accidentally making a duplicate thread. That said, let's continue.
I recently got a Xiaomi Redmi Note 11S. I really love the hardware - it's pretty good for its price; the battery capacity is high, I like the 90Hz refresh rate and the AMOLED screen, decent storage capacity, and the 33W fast charging is really cool too.
The software, however, is another story. Firstly, there is a lot of bloatware. Various stores, games, etc. that I never asked for. And even worse, secondly, on every corner there is a privacy violation. Every time I clicked on a different app, I needed to accept a different user agreement, privacy policy, or something similar. The camera app literally requires an internet connection and yet another ToS agreement to use. And I've looked into such an agreement to see what they do, and apparently they reserve the right to look at your screen's displayed contents. What. The. F-
I would really like to use this device as it is an upgrade over my current phone, but man, I'm not using it with the default software. For this reason I came here to ask about which custom ROMs are good for my purposes. I would like something that has few invasive features and other spyware, and is also relatively open for customization and such as I like to be in control of the hardware I own.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
I have yet to find a device specific ROM for this phone. Apparently they're hard to develop because the chip manufacturer (Mediatek) doesn't release their source code? You could try a GSI but that's beyond my skillset.
To make me feel a bit better about my privacy I've used Debloater to uninstall the bloat that I don't want on the phone at all. I then use AFWall+ to block the apps that I want to use but don't trust from accessing the internet.
Note that this requires rooting your phone, but that's straightforward these days.
Hi, thanks for the reply.
I'm new to the community. Could you please explain me what a GSI is?
Those things sound like a good idea for the time being. I'll look into them when I have more time. As for rooting, I'm sure there's countless of guides out there. If you know a good one I'd appreciate it, but I'm sure that out of everything, this is the one thing I'll easily manage myself.
Though while this is a good temporary solution, I still feel uneasy about it as it's not necessarily specific apps, but the OS itself that does the spying, so I think I'll wait and see if someone else replies with more suggestions. Perhaps someone in this forum is some kind of custom ROM genius. Despite that, I really appreciate your reply and not getting judged for being new. Have a nice day/evening/morning (depending on your time zone).
A GSI is a Generic System Image - basically it's a ROM that isn't tailored to a specific device, but will broadly work on any device. However this means that it's likely to be a little bit buggy on most devices. I don't know much about GSIs, but I'm sure there are threads on here.
I believe that the only Android 11 GSI that is still maintained is the Google GSI. You'd want the aosp_arm64_ab build for this device I think. I have no idea how well this would work, I don't even know how you'd flash it!
This is my guide for rooting this phone, it's pretty straightforward I think, once you've got the bootloader unlocked.
Root POCO M4 Pro 4G (fleur) using Magisk
Rooting the POCO M4 Pro 4G (fleur) turned out to be quite straightforward. Note, I have a 2201117PG (EEA), you may have a different experience, it's not my fault if you brick your phone etc. Backup before you start as this will wipe your phone...
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Well, if - as it seems - the device support GSI builds, you can go with \e\ (aka deGoogled-Lineage):
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No custom rom due to mediatek chipset , should have bought snapdragon device
Aj_$tyle$ said:
No custom rom due to mediatek chipset , should have bought snapdragon device
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BTW Generic System Images works on *any* treble-compatible (= Android 8+) SoC...
forart.eu said:
BTW Generic System Images works on *any* treble-compatible (= Android 8+) SoC...
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GSI has bugs in poco m4 pro
Aj_$tyle$ said:
GSI has bugs in poco m4 pro
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What bug?
Aj_$tyle$ said:
GSI has bugs in poco m4 pro
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Please report @ \e\ community then:
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Find details about the work done and progress made on Generic System Image (GSI) for /e/ in this section.
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Gliese 832 c said:
Hi everyone,
let me preface this with saying that I have searched for similar threads to avoid redundant threads, and I didn't find anything similar to this. I apologize in case I somehow missed it and am accidentally making a duplicate thread. That said, let's continue.
I recently got a Xiaomi Redmi Note 11S. I really love the hardware - it's pretty good for its price; the battery capacity is high, I like the 90Hz refresh rate and the AMOLED screen, decent storage capacity, and the 33W fast charging is really cool too.
The software, however, is another story. Firstly, there is a lot of bloatware. Various stores, games, etc. that I never asked for. And even worse, secondly, on every corner there is a privacy violation. Every time I clicked on a different app, I needed to accept a different user agreement, privacy policy, or something similar. The camera app literally requires an internet connection and yet another ToS agreement to use. And I've looked into such an agreement to see what they do, and apparently they reserve the right to look at your screen's displayed contents. What. The. F-
I would really like to use this device as it is an upgrade over my current phone, but man, I'm not using it with the default software. For this reason I came here to ask about which custom ROMs are good for my purposes. I would like something that has few invasive features and other spyware, and is also relatively open for customization and such as I like to be in control of the hardware I own.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
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The most privacy friendly rom is GrapheneOS but it only supports Pixel devices sadly.