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Hi there,
I'm about (prolly) to buy a LG G2 in the next incomming days.
I was wondering what you guys were thinking about the Sound Quality of the G2, whichever variant you got, and how loud/quiet you think it is, from headphones, earpiece, or external speaker.
Lets hear your thoughts !
Paradoxxx said:
Hi there,
I'm about (prolly) to buy a LG G2 in the next incomming days.
I was wondering what you guys were thinking about the Sound Quality of the G2, whichever variant you got, and how loud/quiet you think it is, from headphones, earpiece, or external speaker.
Lets hear your thoughts !
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I'l say this, the G2 uses aptX, so I went to go find an aptX compatible headset. I purchased the LG HBS730 bt stereo headset... It'll be hard to top that in my mind.
The audio quality is really good. But then I rooted and installed viper4android and now, my audio is easily much better than on my s4
Stock, untweaked, the loudspeakers are adequate for only typical indoor (office/home) use, IMO. I was on a speakerphone call outside and found the speaker had too little volume to compete against the urban background noise (trucks and such passing by at idle speeds). I opted to put in my headphones instead.
Ringers and notifications seemed to be adequate, again, for typical office and domestic settings. No way could I hear them driving down the highway with the windows down.
After installing Malladus, which includes volume tweaks, the notifications are significantly louder such that I've been able to set those sliders at mid position for my daily needs. The alarm has no problem waking me in the morning.
As far as line out and BT A2DP quality, I'd say it's very good but not quite up to the hype. Caveat, I have not yet tried any 24/192 source material. I mostly listen to 320k or better MP3 and FLAC music thru Neutron. For BT, it streams thru a Clarion FZ501 head unit. The headphone out drives a pair of Shure SE535s with Head-Fi-derived EQ tweaks. No outboard DAC or amp. I hate carrying more than absolutely necessary.
My research has concluded that Viper and Neutron are mutually exclusive and most head-fi'ers seem to prefer Neutron. I haven't tried Viper. I may one day, but haven't yet heard heard an informed, compelling argument to switch.
Line-out audio performance was in my Top-3 for priorities. I'm not disappointed or blown away. It's more than adequate for a quality mobile audio source, IMO.
cggorman said:
Stock, untweaked, the loudspeakers are adequate for only typical indoor (office/home) use, IMO. I was on a speakerphone call outside and found the speaker had too little volume to compete against the urban background noise (trucks and such passing by at idle speeds). I opted to put in my headphones instead.
Ringers and notifications seemed to be adequate, again, for typical office and domestic settings. No way could I hear them driving down the highway with the windows down.
After installing Malladus, which includes volume tweaks, the notifications are significantly louder such that I've been able to set those sliders at mid position for my daily needs. The alarm has no problem waking me in the morning.
As far as line out and BT A2DP quality, I'd say it's very good but not quite up to the hype. Caveat, I have not yet tried any 24/192 source material. I mostly listen to 320k or better MP3 and FLAC music thru Neutron. For BT, it streams thru a Clarion FZ501 head unit. The headphone out drives a pair of Shure SE535s with Head-Fi-derived EQ tweaks. No outboard DAC or amp. I hate carrying more than absolutely necessary.
My research has concluded that Viper and Neutron are mutually exclusive and most head-fi'ers seem to prefer Neutron. I haven't tried Viper. I may one day, but haven't yet heard heard an informed, compelling argument to switch.
Line-out audio performance was in my Top-3 for priorities. I'm not disappointed or blown away. It's more than adequate for a quality mobile audio source, IMO.
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Sounds good.
I've been using viper since ages now, and it got really the thing that other eq/audio mods don't have, but I couldn't tell you what it is.
You should give it a go sometimes.
Do you find the headphones loud enough?
Sounds really good also went ahead and installed Viper4Android to tweak up the sound my favorite EQ/Sound mod of them all.
On my Jaybirds BlueBuds X (bluetooth) they sound great!
With malladus ROM now my headphones are almost uncomfortable at max vol. I use vmoda crossfades can't beat cans ?
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With malladus ROM now my headphones are almost uncomfortable at max vol. I use vmoda crossfades can't beat cans ?
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Hmm, sounds good if it comes too loud. Since I just use in ear headphones, it might be loud enough at the end !
I have used this volume boost mod to improve the audio output levels on the g2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2482750
I prefer to keep things stock as possible (neutral sounding) as far as audio signal processing is concerned when listening to my audio.
I run sennheiser ie-80 in-ears currently (16 ohms) and they pair really well with the dac in this phone.
The stock music player is quite capable on this phone, and Neutron has seen minimal use in the time I've had it, although it is installed.
I owned the note 3 for a week before returning it for the lg g2.
I came from the Samsung note 2 before that which I also initially bought for the audio capabilities and ended up using the same volume boosting technique for the same reasons, the g2 audio does surpass the note 2 audio quality with the stock lg audio player, voume boost mod, and proper audio source files.
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Sounds good.
I've been using viper since ages now, and it got really the thing that other eq/audio mods don't have, but I couldn't tell you what it is.
You should give it a go sometimes.
Do you find the headphones loud enough?
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Yes. I seldom run more than about 70%, but most IEMs aren't hard to drive.
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sil0 said:
I have used the volume boost mod here to improve the audio output levels on the g2: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2482750
I prefer to keep things as stock as possible as far as audio signal processing is concerned in terms of this party applications.
The stock music player is quite capable on this phone, and Neutron has seen minimal use in the time I've had it, although it is installed.
I owned the note 3 for a week before returning it for the lg g2.
I came from the Samsung note 2 before that which I also initially bought for the audio capabilities and ended up using the same volume boosting technique for the same reasons, the g2 audio does surpass the note 2 audio quality with the stock lg audio player, voume boost mod, and proper audio source files.
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i agree the stock sounds good. It just doesn't offer the EQ quality I want.
Can u guys confirm which DAC carries?
Read it´s the latest Wolfson WM5110 while also read it carries the Qualcomm WCD9320.
Also would like to know your impressions on sound quality when listening music with earphones.
hey guys, i noticed that listening to music over my sony car stereo is not of great quality i tried all the settings in the sound, like clear audio etc, and dynamic settings and sound enhancement settings, i use power amp player and use music fx setting with it, also tried without it . Can someone recommend whats the best way to listen to music to over bluetooth, i also tried installing viper4android audio mod but something is putting me off when it comes to listening to music over bluetooth. my car stereo is sony bt mex5000
Try Player Pro with DSP Pack..if that doesn't do it. Plug it in with a regular cable to your car stereo and try that
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Try Player Pro with DSP Pack..if that doesn't do it. Plug it in with a regular cable to your car stereo and try that
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tried it still the same not that good, is there anyone that can tell me what i need to buy to enhance and get best audio quality over bluetooth as i try to not use cables at all
Your ultra supports apt-x, so streaming over apt-x is the better bet, but not sure if your car supports it.
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If you're streaming to a car stereo you have to take into account that you have 2 amps in play. You need the sound coming out of the phone as clean as possible, so turn off any enhancements including graphic equalising and just have a pure output. Otherwise you'll get double processing which will sound awful. This goes double for POWERaMP as it has probably the most powerful processing available!
Unfortunately your stereo doesn't support apt-x but you should still get good quality through a2dp.
You haven't said what's wrong with the sound though? Give a brief description.
I use mine on my parrot with PowerAmp and it sounds flawless.
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If you're streaming to a car stereo you have to take into account that you have 2 amps in play. You need the sound coming out of the phone as clean as possible, so turn off any enhancements including graphic equalising and just have a pure output. Otherwise you'll get double processing which will sound awful. This goes double for POWERaMP as it has probably the most powerful processing available!
Unfortunately your stereo doesn't support apt-x but you should still get good quality through a2dp.
You haven't said what's wrong with the sound though? Give a brief description.
I use mine on my parrot with PowerAmp and it sounds flawless.
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interesting, i thought if i use enhancements on my phone like viper4android it will help in listening to good quality over bluetooth.
I use power amp, so you advise me to remove the also direct control from power amp, and the equaliser too from power amp, and streaming as clean as possible to my sony stereo and control the sound from there.
how about the tone on power amp and the limit on shall i turn them off too.
How bout the sony z ultra, it has sound mods too like clear audio and sound enhancement and dynamic normaliser should i turn then off too.
since i started playing with processing enhancements I started to hate listening to music altogether.
I just bought today jbl component speaker 4 of them, and jbl sub, so i would really like help in how to listen to great sound, and which player other than power amp is the best out there, i tried neutron player and i found it so difficult to get good sound out of it, especially when i played with enhancements
the sound i got before the jbls component was so muffled and so strange and irritating mids get lost, and if i turn up the mids the sound becomes so sharp and irritating to my ears.
with jbl its better now but i still am not where id like to be in listening to music over bluetooth, but i know my problem now mainly is to know how to stream music the best way from my phone to my sony BT mex5100. I know i my car stereo does not support aptx, so do u think if i buy a aptx bluetooth receiver like the uplay puck or kinivo it will help more or will it make no difference
what i aim to is a nice smooth sound not so sharp on my ears and a nice bass
hykhleif said:
interesting, i thought if i use enhancements on my phone like viper4android it will help in listening to good quality over bluetooth.
I use power amp, so you advise me to remove the also direct control from power amp, and the equaliser too from power amp, and streaming as clean as possible to my sony stereo and control the sound from there.
how about the tone on power amp and the limit on shall i turn them off too.
How bout the sony z ultra, it has sound mods too like clear audio and sound enhancement and dynamic normaliser should i turn then off too.
since i started playing with processing enhancements I started to hate listening to music altogether.
I just bought today jbl component speaker 4 of them, and jbl sub, so i would really like help in how to listen to great sound, and which player other than power amp is the best out there, i tried neutron player and i found it so difficult to get good sound out of it, especially when i played with enhancements
the sound i got before the jbls component was so muffled and so strange and irritating mids get lost, and if i turn up the mids the sound becomes so sharp and irritating to my ears.
with jbl its better now but i still am not where id like to be in listening to music over bluetooth, but i know my problem now mainly is to know how to stream music the best way from my phone to my sony BT mex5100. I know i my car stereo does not support aptx, so do u think if i buy a aptx bluetooth receiver like the uplay puck or kinivo it will help more or will it make no difference
what i aim to is a nice smooth sound not so sharp on my ears and a nice bass
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Yeah, basically if you're outputting post processed sound to your car stereo, your stereo is doubling processing on top, so any bass or treble will be amped through the roof and so distort and hiss. Take as clean a sound into the car amp and then the amp can manage the levels properly within tolerance. Car amps are very difficult to replicate pure sound, they usually have some bias built in to make the most out of the environment and surrounding noise levels, plus they're a lot more powerful than any phone, so that's why you should rely on the stereo processing rather than amping the phone and running the stereo clean, just wouldn't have the same quality.
Also disable any Sony effects, they'll screw the output out also. Turn everything off.
Apt-x makes a big difference, so if you can, definitely look at a newer model, maybe pioneer or alpine or a high end parrot for great quality. With bluetooth, you definitely get what you pay for, so it's worth looking at the high end systems, and if possible test them out somewhere to find the one that's right for you. We've got Halfords in the UK where you can demo the systems in the shop, I'm sure there'll be something around wherever you are.
Personally I've always used PowerAmp, I love the sound it produces through headphones with processing, as well as clean when I disable all the tweaks, haven't found any other player that matches it so can't really comment on alternatives.
Probably not worth saying but make sure the format is good quality, 320 bit mp3, aac, etc. Anything less and you'll lose the bass and treble.
Really grateful for this topic as I'd love to know other people's views on this too... I have a mid level parrot system which I'm thinking of upgrading as it's a little low on power.
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SpyderTracks said:
Yeah, basically if you're outputting post processed sound to your car stereo, your stereo is doubling processing on top, so any bass or treble will be amped through the roof and so distort and hiss. Take as clean a sound into the car amp and then the amp can manage the levels properly within tolerance. Car amps are very difficult to replicate pure sound, they usually have some bias built in to make the most out of the environment and surrounding noise levels, plus they're a lot more powerful than any phone, so that's why you should rely on the stereo processing rather than amping the phone and running the stereo clean, just wouldn't have the same quality.
Also disable any Sony effects, they'll screw the output out also. Turn everything off.
Apt-x makes a big difference, so if you can, definitely look at a newer model, maybe pioneer or alpine or a high end parrot for great quality. With bluetooth, you definitely get what you pay for, so it's worth looking at the high end systems, and if possible test them out somewhere to find the one that's right for you. We've got Halfords in the UK where you can demo the systems in the shop, I'm sure there'll be something around wherever you are.
Personally I've always used PowerAmp, I love the sound it produces through headphones with processing, as well as clean when I disable all the tweaks, haven't found any other player that matches it so can't really comment on alternatives.
Probably not worth saying but make sure the format is good quality, 320 bit mp3, aac, etc. Anything less and you'll lose the bass and treble.
Really grateful for this topic as I'd love to know other people's views on this too... I have a mid level parrot system which I'm thinking of upgrading as it's a little low on power.
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i checked the net and i could not find any car stereo that has bluetooth with aptx, so which aptx receiver shall i buy, I found so far kinivo or play puck is there something better than those, by the way i bought the sony sbh2 bluetooth headset do u think i can use it as a good receiver but it does not support aptx
today i received my sony sbh2 headset, i tried streaming music using its bleu tooth capability on my sony stereo bt mex 5100 which has bluetooth in itself. so when i compared streaming music using the bluetooth of sbh2 to my sony stereo the sound was worse than when i used the built in bluetooth of my sony stereo. I know that my shb2 does not support aptx, so I was wondering if I buy a dongle that supports aptx will it give me better sound on my sony stereo than the built in bluetooth of my sony car stereo which does not support aptx.
I don't want to waste money if it won't improve the sound quality
one of the reasons I liked the z ultra is because it supports aptx. BUT i have tried all mods and players and when I play songs from my z ultra on my sennheiser mm450x which supports aptx the sound so much worse than my iPad mini which does not support aptx.
I am really do wondering why different devices give different sound quality over bluetooth, I am confused as I thought that the deciding factor is the bluetooth protocol not the device.
hykhleif said:
one of the reasons I liked the z ultra is because it supports aptx. BUT i have tried all mods and players and when I play songs from my z ultra on my sennheiser mm450x which supports aptx the sound so much worse than my iPad mini which does not support aptx.
I am really do wondering why different devices give different sound quality over bluetooth, I am confused as I thought that the deciding factor is the bluetooth protocol not the device.
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have you tried turning off wifi?
Reason I ask is that with wifi on, the max speed bluetooth 4.0 and send/receive is 80kb/s
With wifi off... bluetooth 4.0 can almost get about 200kb/s
remembering that aptX is only supposed to be CD quality sound... i.e. 128kb/s
hamdogg said:
have you tried turning off wifi?
Reason I ask is that with wifi on, the max speed bluetooth 4.0 and send/receive is 80kb/s
With wifi off... bluetooth 4.0 can almost get about 200kb/s
remembering that aptX is only supposed to be CD quality sound... i.e. 128kb/s
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never ever thought wifi has an effect on bluetooth, I will test without wifi
no it did not help turning the wifi off.
I had a big fight the official sennheirser agent here in Israel, as I thought the sennheiser headset was not working properly, so when we tested it with other phones and tablets the sound was great.
I am getting bad quality with aptx over bluetooth using the z ultra, I really don't know why.
The bass is distorted and the treble right in my face so irritating, I don't know I thought the aptx would improve sound quality bu it did not, I really wish someone can tell me if the sound quality over bluetooth is device related or buetooth related. As I am getting a great sound using an iPhone and iPad mini but with the z ultra all I get is rubbish sound.
Guys I think I will move on and accept selling my device as that is not acceptable anymore unfortunately i put the phone for sale over a month ago and no one called about it
LORDMANHATTAN I will miss you watching and policing my threads, I think I am done here once someone buys it
hykhleif said:
no it did not help turning the wifi off.
I had a big fight the official sennheirser agent here in Israel, as I thought the sennheiser headset was not working properly, so when we tested it with other phones and tablets the sound was great.
I am getting bad quality with aptx over bluetooth using the z ultra, I really don't know why.
The bass is distorted and the treble right in my face so irritating, I don't know I thought the aptx would improve sound quality bu it did not, I really wish someone can tell me if the sound quality over bluetooth is device related or buetooth related. As I am getting a great sound using an iPhone and iPad mini but with the z ultra all I get is rubbish sound.
Guys I think I will move on and accept selling my device as that is not acceptable anymore unfortunately i put the phone for sale over a month ago and no one called about it
LORDMANHATTAN I will miss you watching and policing my threads, I think I am done here once someone buys it
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lol... did you contact Sony about it... support should offer you some advice based on their hardware
i think contacting sony is useless
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i think contacting sony is useless
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You're not really solution based are you? Ios will probably suit you better.
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SpyderTracks said:
You're not really solution based are you? Ios will probably suit you better.
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believe me i tried but this is over my knowledge base
hykhleif said:
believe me i tried but this is over my knowledge base
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dude... take it into a service or Sony shop and ask them... !!
hamdogg said:
have you tried turning off wifi?
Reason I ask is that with wifi on, the max speed bluetooth 4.0 and send/receive is 80kb/s
With wifi off... bluetooth 4.0 can almost get about 200kb/s
remembering that aptX is only supposed to be CD quality sound... i.e. 128kb/s
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I had the LG Tone+ aptx headphones, and I would constantly get garbled bluetooth audio. I exchanged them for BluebudsX that don't have aptx, no more garbled audio. I had a jambox (BT 3.0 I believe and non-aptx) and upgraded to an aptx BT 4.0 speaker, and I'm experiencing garbled audio again. It happens once and awhile and it's annoying considering the quality is much better when it's not stuttering.
I would switch off wifi and I think (placebo?) it would get better. I was thinking maybe bbluetooth and wifi signals were messing with each other, but shouldn't that be a non-issue in 2014?
Are you sure about the Bluetooth bitrate and wifi on/off? Can you link me to something?
BTW, CD quality audio is 320 kb/s. 128 is a pretty heavily compressed mp3.
Let's get clear cd quality is only possible through loseless audio format such as flac, alac or wav just for mention a few ones.
So if you have a mp3 file at 320 kbps is compressed audio in a lossy codec, so it might sound good but it's not cd quality, and definitely sound muchs better than a mp3 file at 128 kbps, the higher the bitrate the better the quality of the sound.
Aptx standard is programmed to work with no loss up to 320 kbps, that means if you use aac at 441 kbps or flac at 1015 kbps it will anyway lose some quality.
Aptx loseless has been released, and it promises in the paper, it will work flawlessly with loseless files.
Unfortunately I haven't been able to use the new aptx loseless, but it might be just marketing....
Sbc is the ordinary codec used in bt audio streaming, and it also depends in versions of the sbc, but i stream audio from my old ipad 3 with no aptx to a lg bt speaker, with no aptx, sound is great, just as good as my xperia z3 streaming to my harman kardon aptx bt speaker.
So... Not a big fan of aptx
Ok I searched for Solution on google, it seems no body else is facing this issue. So here is my problem I migrated on to v30 from v20 and I noticed that whenever i play a song with quad dac on there is a very audible static noise in the background, like if the mic on or a better example would it feels like the song is being played on a radio.. where along with song there is a hint of crackle and white noise. My V20 never had this problem.
Is anyone else facing the issue, BTW I am on Philippine oreo KDZ, and will LG cover the warranty or should i wait and flash Indian Oreo to claim warranty??
did you try different audio sources, headphones, also try some speakers
taus90 said:
Ok I searched for Solution on google, it seems no body else is facing this issue. So here is my problem I migrated on to v30 from v20 and I noticed that whenever i play a song with quad dac on there is a very audible static noise in the background, like if the mic on or a better example would it feels like the song is being played on a radio.. where along with song there is a hint of crackle and white noise. My V20 never had this problem.
Is anyone else facing the issue, BTW I am on Philippine oreo KDZ, and will LG cover the warranty or should i wait and flash Indian Oreo to claim warranty??
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Look: you ever used the "high performance" mode of the WCD9xxx in-built DAC of any previous Android phone ?
This raises up the output but also comes with the cost of higher "white noise" / static, etc. - this in turn is able to drive headphones with a high impedance Ω
The same applies to the dedicated "quad dac" - it has high output by default and thus is to be experienced best with "high quality" (well, most high quality headphones have higher impedance than the very cheap headphones).
There's a noticable difference for me when switching between e.g. the EP630, Xiaomi Pistons and the provided B & O Headphones that came along with the V30.
So there is NO issue and there is not really a solution but to use it in the way that it was meant to be used
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What @iRS_ wrote (other headphones with higher impedance)
iRS_ said:
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I did like, never had this problem on my Lg V20
taus90 said:
I did like, never had this problem on my Lg V20
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i am asking if you tried all this on v30, NOT v20 ?
zacharias.maladroit said:
Look: you ever used the "high performance" mode of the WCD9xxx in-built DAC of any previous Android phone ?
This raises up the output but also comes with the cost of higher "white noise" / static, etc. - this in turn is able to drive headphones with a high impedance Ω
The same applies to the dedicated "quad dac" - it has high output by default and thus is to be experienced best with "high quality" (well, most high quality headphones have higher impedance than the very cheap headphones).
There's a noticable difference for me when switching between e.g. the EP630, Xiaomi Pistons and the provided B & O Headphones that came along with the V30.
So there is NO issue and there is not really a solution but to use it in the way that it was meant to be used
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What @iRS_ wrote (other headphones with higher impedance)
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If a DAC has distortion and audible static interference then its not doing its job. In simple layman terms, Switching on DAC should improve sound stage and frequency response and it is noticeable on any even basic headphones. Like I mentioned in my post I have Lg V20 too, and the DAC on that phone doesn't have any of the issue which i mentioned about my V30, to which you say is not an issue. Also Headphone (Mi Piston) is not an issue.. coz the same headphones works perfectly on V20..
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If a DAC has distortion and audible static interference then its not doing its job. In simple layman terms, Switching on DAC should improve sound stage and frequency response and it is noticeable on any even basic headphones. Like I mentioned in my post I have Lg V20 too, and the DAC on that phone doesn't have any of the issue which i mentioned about my V30, to which you say is not an issue. Also Headphone (Mi Piston) is not an issue.. coz the same headphones works perfectly on V20..
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well, it could be due to how the driver & kernel is compiled (so it would be an out-of-the-box issue) - I've experienced this kind of increase in static noise on the Z5 once going from fstack-protector-regular to fstack-protector-strong (more functions protected or "tainted" in that case)
https://outflux.net/blog/archives/2014/01/27/fstack-protector-strong/
https://lwn.net/Articles/584225/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_overflow_protection
Since the stock kernel is built that way by default the audio output quality could be somewhat worse compared to V20 (if there the kernel was compiled with fstack-protector-regular).
I can clearly hear how there's some distortion and audible static noise when the screen is off, quad dac enabled and changing volume (up or down) - the amp first is gone, the output is much more silent and there sound is less clear - more static can be heard
I've attributed this to the quality of the audio tracks I'm listening to - since with fully digitally created tracks this didn't seem to occur that much.
Also there's one particular issue I had forgotten:
Once connecting the Xiaomi Hybrid Pro and having Quad DAC disabled (so the stock WCD94xx used) either on left or right channel (every several seconds) there is solely (no other output) very loud static noise while playing music [similar to the static on old-ass TVs where only static is being shown and similar sound played],
when enabling quad dac/ES9028PRO it's gone. No matter what audio track is being played this was happening - I wasn't sure whether this was a software or hardware issue and since this was only happening with one particular type of headphones/IEMs I keep the phone so far.
Since you mention that the static noise appears along music output I doubt it's a similar issue you're observing.
taus90 said:
I did like, never had this problem on my Lg V20
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Yes I did.. And by v20 i mean i tried all Flac, same mp3 on both the devices, wired speakers, headphones, so it doesnt seem the problem is with any of the external devices, , tried different music player, same problem it has to be issue with V30's dac or the headphone jack its just when i start playing a song with Hifi option on, the static and light crackles starts and when the song finishes playing or I pause the song the noise stops after like 15 seconds or if i turn off the dac the noise stops immediately. But toggling hifi option on and off without any music playing the issue doesnt exist, its just when a song starts and DAC kicks the issue appears, so i doubt its even headphone jack
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well, it could be due to how the driver & kernel is compiled (so it would be an out-of-the-box issue) - I've experienced this kind of increase in static noise on the Z5 once going from fstack-protector-regular to fstack-protector-strong (more functions protected or "tainted" in that case)
https://outflux.net/blog/archives/2014/01/27/fstack-protector-strong/
https://lwn.net/Articles/584225/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffer_overflow_protection
Since the stock kernel is built that way by default the audio output quality could be somewhat worse compared to V20 (if there the kernel was compiled with fstack-protector-regular).
I can clearly hear how there's some distortion and audible static noise when the screen is off, quad dac enabled and changing volume (up or down) - the amp first is gone, the output is much more silent and there sound is less clear - more static can be heard
I've attributed this to the quality of the audio tracks I'm listening to - since with fully digitally created tracks this didn't seem to occur that much.
Also there's one particular issue I had forgotten:
Once connecting the Xiaomi Hybrid Pro and having Quad DAC disabled (so the stock WCD94xx used) either on left or right channel (every several seconds) there is solely (no other output) very loud static noise while playing music [similar to the static on old-ass TVs where only static is being shown and similar sound played],
when enabling quad dac/ES9028PRO it's gone. No matter what audio track is being played this was happening - I wasn't sure whether this was a software or hardware issue and since this was only happening with one particular type of headphones/IEMs I keep the phone so far.
Since you mention that the static noise appears along music output I doubt it's a similar issue you're observing.
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I wish i could have tested on indian nougat when i had it, to see if it is oreo related issue, now i have to wait for Indian Oreo to see if that rom has the solution. I think Ill probably send it to LG to fix it while its under warranty
Stock Nougat, just going to start the bootloader unlock process, but sonically it's been flawless, orgasmic actually, with Sennheiser 6xx's, Etymotic HF2's and ER4's as well as BT to a UE Boom. Only the occasional crackle because my HF2's cabling is getting old, so sadly I'd think you have a bad unit.
Even I am experiencing the exact same , I'm on Indian Oreo kdz. When I turn on high impedance mode with sennhieser hd 598 and then connect it to my ath e 40 , I get a continuous hiss throughout the song.. sometimes it's irritating really.. I want to ask if someone who has rooted and using whiskyomega mod having same issues ?
By the way I don't get it on hd 598 , it probably dampens it..
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Even I am experiencing the exact same , I'm on Indian Oreo kdz. When I turn on high impedance mode with sennhieser hd 598 and then connect it to my ath e 40 , I get a continuous hiss throughout the song.. sometimes it's irritating really.. I want to ask if someone who has rooted and using whiskyomega mod having same issues ?
By the way I don't get it on hd 598 , it probably dampens it..
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The HD598 is 50 ohms (more resistance) while the E40 is merely 12 ohms, with a dynamic driver, I am guessing fairly sensitive. I wouldn't use HIM with earphones like that in the first place. That said, V30 is known for having a very low noise floor, so I wouldn't expect hiss, even with HIM and sensitive earphones.
Which music player do you use and what is your music source? Unfortunately V30 will upsample 44.1Khz sources (i.e. all CDs and most streaming sources) to 48KHz before sending it to the DAC. This should not be audible in most cases, but a few people are able to hear it when using very sensitive IEMs (typically balanced armature drivers). It is described in the opening post of the thread linked below:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/music-apps-tips-and-tricks-for-the-lg-v30.868978/
The way around it is to use a music player that bypasses the standard Android audio path, such as UAPP or Neutron, both of which use their own audio driver that sends music directly to the ESS DAC.
Another possible explanation is if some EQ or other processing in your music player is messing with the data before it reaches the DAC. If you try playing with UAPP using Bit-perfect mode, that's a great way to determine if it is a hardware problem (which is possible) or something in the digital audio path. You can download a free trial using the link below:
http://www.extreamsd.com/index.php/uapp-trial
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The HD598 is 50 ohms (more resistance) while the E40 is merely 12 ohms, with a dynamic driver, I am guessing fairly sensitive. I wouldn't use HIM with earphones like that in the first place. That said, V30 is known for having a very low noise floor, so I wouldn't expect hiss, even with HIM and sensitive earphones.
Which music player do you use and what is your music source? Unfortunately V30 will upsample 44.1Khz sources (i.e. all CDs and most streaming sources) to 48KHz before sending it to the DAC. This should not be audible in most cases, but a few people are able to hear it when using very sensitive IEMs (typically balanced armature drivers). It is described in the opening post of the thread linked below:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/music-apps-tips-and-tricks-for-the-lg-v30.868978/
The way around it is to use a music player that bypasses the standard Android audio path, such as UAPP or Neutron, both of which use their own audio driver that sends music directly to the ESS DAC.
Another possible explanation is if some EQ or other processing in your music player is messing with the data before it reaches the DAC. If you try playing with UAPP using Bit-perfect mode, that's a great way to determine if it is a hardware problem (which is possible) or something in the digital audio path. You can download a free trial using the link below:
http://www.extreamsd.com/index.php/uapp-trial
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Will try those apps out.. i always use the in built music app. And ath e 40 sound just amazing with the DAC, that kinda quality just gives me a high , so I can't let it go.. I never imagined those earphones could be so good !!
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Ok I searched for Solution on google, it seems no body else is facing this issue. So here is my problem I migrated on to v30 from v20 and I noticed that whenever i play a song with quad dac on there is a very audible static noise in the background, like if the mic on or a better example would it feels like the song is being played on a radio.. where along with song there is a hint of crackle and white noise. My V20 never had this problem.
Is anyone else facing the issue, BTW I am on Philippine oreo KDZ, and will LG cover the warranty or should i wait and flash Indian Oreo to claim warranty??
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This sounds similar to what I experienced with my V30S using Beyerdynamic iDX200 headphones with the extension cable design*.
At first I thought I had received a defective V30S. Then I found the problem was limited to those particular headphones with their included extension cable. With the extension cable removed, and with any other headphones, the V30S audio quality problem disappeared. And the iDX200 sound fine on my other phone, as long as the extension cable connection is clean (it is prone to signal degradation by contamination).
My guess is that the V30 system that measures load impedance on the 3.5mm jack has some kind of anomaly related to imdedance/VSWR imposed by the connection of the iDX200 extension cable, even if that connection is clean.
Try different headphones.
(* The iDX200 cable is too short by itself, it has to be used with a short extension, either the included one or another.)
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Ok I searched for Solution on google, it seems no body else is facing this issue. So here is my problem I migrated on to v30 from v20 and I noticed that whenever i play a song with quad dac on there is a very audible static noise in the background, like if the mic on or a better example would it feels like the song is being played on a radio.. where along with song there is a hint of crackle and white noise. My V20 never had this problem.
Is anyone else facing the issue, BTW I am on Philippine oreo KDZ, and will LG cover the warranty or should i wait and flash Indian Oreo to claim warranty??
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I have found a solution!!
Go to hifi settings in balance section, reduce the volume from left and right to as low as possible, I've kept it zero and just raise the volume to your liking..
In my case the hiss has reduced drastically to the point I can ignore it ! Hope this works for you!
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The HD598 is 50 ohms (more resistance) while the E40 is merely 12 ohms, with a dynamic driver, I am guessing fairly sensitive. I wouldn't use HIM with earphones like that in the first place. That said, V30 is known for having a very low noise floor, so I wouldn't expect hiss, even with HIM and sensitive earphones.
Which music player do you use and what is your music source? Unfortunately V30 will upsample 44.1Khz sources (i.e. all CDs and most streaming sources) to 48KHz before sending it to the DAC. This should not be audible in most cases, but a few people are able to hear it when using very sensitive IEMs (typically balanced armature drivers). It is described in the opening post of the thread linked below:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/music-apps-tips-and-tricks-for-the-lg-v30.868978/
The way around it is to use a music player that bypasses the standard Android audio path, such as UAPP or Neutron, both of which use their own audio driver that sends music directly to the ESS DAC.
Another possible explanation is if some EQ or other processing in your music player is messing with the data before it reaches the DAC. If you try playing with UAPP using Bit-perfect mode, that's a great way to determine if it is a hardware problem (which is possible) or something in the digital audio path. You can download a free trial using the link below:
http://www.extreamsd.com/index.php/uapp-trial
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THANKS A TON!! uapp works like a charm , zero noise and never before heard sound quality !!! I'm Loveñ it !! I couldn't configure neutron though
Bupreno said:
THANKS A TON!! uapp works like a charm , zero noise and never before heard sound quality !!! I'm Loveñ it !! I couldn't configure neutron though
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Great! I'm glad you like it.
And interesting that it solved the noise problem too. That most likely means it was the artifacts caused by upsampling 44.1KHz to 48KHz (performed by Android's standard audio path) that you were able to hear.
UAPP is my favorite too, both for its features, its ability to play redbook (44.1KHz/16bit) without upsampling, and for its user interface. Neutron can do that too, but I could never understand its user interface.
In UAPP, under HiRes Driver flags, make sure to select the MQA flag if you play MQA files or streams. This will ensure that the ESS Sabre DAC is fully utilitized for MQA playback.
Correction- high impedance mode when switched on, even this app makes the noise , I had tried without the high impedance mode..?
but still ,otherwise quality seems better than the stock ! ?
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Correction- high impedance mode when switched on, even this app makes the noise , I had tried without the high impedance mode..?
but still ,otherwise quality seems better than the stock ! ?
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Something is wrong, that just doesn't make sense. If anything, there should be less noise (if the theory of HIM activating more DAC units is true). And in any case is the V30 known for having very little noise, in any of its modes.
How do you trigger HIM? If you plug your headphones/earphones in directly (no adapters of extension cables) is volume loud enough?
If you play music through an impedance adapter, then I suggest you don't. Unplug the adapter once you've achieved HIM, then plug your headphones/earphones into the extension cable (or TRS adapter).
And if you don't need HIM to drive your headphones/earphones loud enough, I suggest you don't need it for maximum sound quality. The V30 was designed to adapt its output mode to the connected headphones/earphones. While it fails to do that correctly with planar magnetic ones, it does it correctly on most others.
Still, unless you are playing through an impedance adapter (which will change the frequency response of your headphones/earphones) or through a poor quality extension cable or TRS adapter, I cannot see a good reason why HIM should have more noise.
Ath e40- when i connect without adapter, loud enough, okayish sound.. Just like any other device..
There was this one time the high impedance mode got activated by mistake, mustve been a glitch! but my god the sound !! - more punch, more soundstage , even minute details audible , more dynamic!! way more louder! Then i searched around and found a way to trigger it everytime by using ath cable extention and sennhieser hd 598 , then unplug senn without unplugging the cable And then connecting e40.
This time i could hear the hiss.. Whenever i plug the earphones only, theres no hiss, and quality is okay.. even though the hifi option is on. i guess it just uses the snapdragon dac or whatever.
to summarize-
if i connect the cable first and then e 40 - sound is louder and okay.
only e 40- sound is okay.
senn and then e40 (to enter high impedance mode,probably uses the quad dac for real this time)- sound is amazing!!!! but with hiss...
I've only used the stock music player uptil now.
now i use uapp- it still gives me the hiss when high impedance is on. otherwise the sound is a bit better than stock music player.
Hi, I bought the nord 2 a few days ago, it's a wonderful phone but I have a problem.
The bluetooth audio quality is horrible. I don't know if it's only on my device , i have tried everything, the stock Dirac hd sound does not support bluetooth devices so the sound is flat. Also it seems like it's playing music on low bit rate. I have switched from aac to sbc there's a slight difference but still it sucks. Also changing some settings in developer settings did nothing.
I have Huawei Freebuds 4I and on every other device the sound is amazing but on the nord it's awful.
Currently I'm using wavelet eq but still the music is playing at a low bit rate. I don't wanna root my phone for viper4android so is there any other solution to this?
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Hi, I bought the nord 2 a few days ago, it's a wonderful phone but I have a problem.
The bluetooth audio quality is horrible. I don't know if it's only on my device , i have tried everything, the stock Dirac hd sound does not support bluetooth devices so the sound is flat. Also it seems like it's playing music on low bit rate. I have switched from aac to sbc there's a slight difference but still it sucks. Also changing some settings in developer settings did nothing.
I have Huawei Freebuds 4I and on every other device the sound is amazing but on the nord it's awful.
Currently I'm using wavelet eq but still the music is playing at a low bit rate. I don't wanna root my phone for viper4android so is there any other solution to this?
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One plus Nord 2 is a budget phone yet not cheaper than other budget phones, yet they give a low-quality device like this. Try listening in a different Bluetooth headset.
No issue here, I have samsung galaxy buds+ TWS (aac mode) and a Marshall Mid (aptx mode) and bluetooth quality is perfect in both cases.
And for the lack of Dirac support in bluetooth mode I use the app "Poweramp Equalizer" to get some more bass in my headset
For music you can try jethdaudio player. It is extremely good.
I don't know what you are talking about I am using Realme Buds Wireless 2 on my Nord 2 and it sounds amazing and I mean it since I am picky about the audio quality with negligible delay like mine cost about 1/3rd of yours so it's probably a compability issue LDAC and AAC both work great on nord 2 ofc LDAC sounds better at the cost of more battery usage....
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I don't know what you are talking about I am using Realme Buds Wireless 2 on my Nord 2 and it sounds amazing and I mean it since I am picky about the audio quality with negligible delay like mine cost about 1/3rd of yours so it's probably a compability issue LDAC and AAC both work great on nord 2 ofc LDAC sounds better at the cost of more battery usage....
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So far i still haven't found a solution, tried a different pair of earbuds (qcy) and the problem still remains.
majloft said:
So far i still haven't found a solution, tried a different pair of earbuds (qcy) and the problem still remains.
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Maybe a faulty piece really should just visit a service centre with all those headsets and see if it can be fixed if possible test out some more headsets by asking from your friends. Also check the settings of the music app you are using it's unlikely but still possible that it's set on low
Can't get it replaced.. Cracked the screen 5 minutes after I took the phone out of the box
Most folks dont know this, but bluetooth is a modern NAME for 'A' software version of hardware based tech capable of transmitting 240v AC through the air.
Tunguska anyone? That was the test, and the origional copywright is owned by TESLA.
Bluetooth, was designed to do the same, it's designed for AC current, explaining why bluetooth digital audio is the WORST sound ever invented.
Blutooth sounds so crap due to the following:
1: The inventors of digital audio decided to remove EVERY frequency the human ear cant hear. (according to who?)
2: They are now removing the lower base frequencies that we COULD hear, if we had say speaker's like my set of BW speaker's used by the BBC in the 60's and 70's, which can produce EVERY frequency. To make these speakers today is £14.000 PER speaker.
3: By removing all lower frequencies, they removed what is known in music, as the BODY of sound. They started this with digital techno, aka goa trance. I stopped buying musical digital instruments just because of this. If you take a 90's version of say 'Rising High's Church of Extacy' ( The tune that officially killed rock and roll due to it's pure analogue sound quality, hardness, and the deepest bass ) then play it through bluetooth, all you hear is tsstsstsstss, because the tweaters you think are great sounding speakers literally cant play anything under the highhat, without ECHO to fake the BASS.
If it's audio QUALITY you want, DROP bluetooth. Simple.
Another note:
As a dj of over 40 years in the undergound dance music scene, the one thing I cant understand is why I now have no CHOICE but to buy headphones for djing with a bluetooth mic built in! This allows whoever is spying on what we SAY to record my tune or live mix before I leave the gig, and claim it as their own. Try buying decent ANALOGUE headfones for djing.
Final note.
Nfc: the modern day verion of blutooth. Interfere's with bluetooth audio in that the AC current also has it's own magnetic field, which can, like binaural beats, interfere with bluetooth. Most fones use bluetooth AND Nfc. nae luck.
I personnaly know the best hacker in Scotland. 12 letters after his name in computer sciences...! He wrote the bluetooth app the gov called tap n trace, and he sold it to them for £30.000, they added Nfc (Near field Communication) and got most people in the world to install it in their fone. NIce one Gi88's!
Bluetooth... did you bite?
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So far i still haven't found a solution, tried a different pair of earbuds (qcy) and the problem still remains.
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I am using my Sony WH-1000XM3 and it supports LDAC. The audio quality is great with support for equaliser. The only way to get LDAC was change the mode from connection stability to sound quality mode in sony headphone app. By default, it supports SBC. Pls check your headphone's app and also check if your headphone supports relevant codec.hope this helps.
I had a similar issue with my Nord 2 and my Libratone Too BT speaker, sound was horrible, like an old cassette player. The speaker only supports the SBC codec, I think.
I was able to fix the sound quality by enabling developer options and switching to AVRCP 1.6 and MAP 1.4 there.
Update A.16 fixes Bluetooth audio.
the problem is just with the freebuds 4i, but I don't understand why..
LeClair said:
Update A.16 fixes Bluetooth audio.
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