Question forcing a charging protocol? - Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

basically I have the s23 ultra, the 313 ace charger 45w . and a 5A /100w cable ..
past 3 days it says "super fast charging 2.0" and displays the blue circle. for the duration of the charge..
now 5 hours ago, I plug in and see the blue circle, and the super fast charging 2.0 but after about 15 seconds it displays the green circle and says " fast charging"
I unplug and replug .. same thing happens..
so my question to the L337 developers on the site, can you force the phone to quick charge 2.0 with an app? or some setting hidden in some secret dev window?
I know the hardware can handle the charge and I've changed zero settings in the phone so it's definitely a deep seeded software issue. I've cleared the cache , double checked basic toggles. I'm lost.

There may be nothing wrong.
Phone throttles down charging based on battery charge level. When battery gets above certain level it will no longer charge at full speed.

OnnoJ said:
There may be nothing wrong.
Phone throttles down charging based on battery charge level. When battery gets above certain level it will no longer charge at full speed.
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I started the charge at 20% .. so you're saying the phone decided to limit the charge to 15w because it was above what exactly? 21% ?
back to my original question.. phone starts at super fast charging 2.0 , and then 15 seconds later it throttles to "fast charging" .. is there a way to force the super fast charging 2.0 protocol because the software is whats limiting it.

Just get the original Samsung charger brick.

mittymak said:
I started the charge at 20% .. so you're saying the phone decided to limit the charge to 15w because it was above what exactly? 21% ?
back to my original question.. phone starts at super fast charging 2.0 , and then 15 seconds later it throttles to "fast charging" .. is there a way to force the super fast charging 2.0 protocol because the software is whats limiting it.
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You didn't report the charging levels, hence my 'may...'.
Anyway, 20% is too low.
I do not know the exact levels (did not conduct a thorough test), but at least at 70% with my samsung 65W charger (Galaxy Book2 360pro) and 100W cable there is no more Super Fast Charging 2.0. I have S918B/DS, CSC EUX, SFC is there at least below 50%, no software limitation there...
What is limiting your charging I can't tell (Charger, Cable, Phone SW/HW...?)

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Charging Question

does anyone know if its possible to find out if the s3 is really charging or not? ive been plugged in and it's still discharging. I need to know if its hardware or software related. when plugged in it has a lightning on the battery and it has red led when display is off but its really slow on charging
anthony001 said:
does anyone know if its possible to find out if the s3 is really charging or not? ive been plugged in and it's still discharging. I need to know if its hardware or software related. when plugged in it has a lightning on the battery and it has red led when display is off but its really slow on charging
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same here!
anthony001 said:
does anyone know if its possible to find out if the s3 is really charging or not? ive been plugged in and it's still discharging. I need to know if its hardware or software related. when plugged in it has a lightning on the battery and it has red led when display is off but its really slow on charging
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The battery does not charge to 100 %, this is not a defect in the phone but rather a sort of internal protection so as to not damage the battery. Indeed, it happens many times to leave the phone connected to the charger much more time necezzario.
The battery by doing so you may receive a surplus of energy than necessary, and in the long run, deteriorate more quickly. Samsung has inserted inside the Galaxy S3 a limiter that operates in the following way: while the phone is charging, you download slightly of 2-3% for then recharge automatically up to 100 %. This process is repeated automatically from your phone until it is removed from the charger.
Use this app.for monitoring battery ; https://play.google.com/store/apps/...ch_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNjYzcxLmJtdyJd
If necessary make a battery calibration uses these applications ; https://play.google.com/store/search?q=calibration&c=apps
While plugged in go to settings/battery and see if it is ac charging or usb charging....I've had this problem with the new cable and plug, it only charges at usb rate, use my old S1 charger now, BlackBerry one worked for me as well
devid801 said:
The battery does not charge to 100 %, this is not a defect in the phone but rather a sort of internal protection so as to not damage the battery. Indeed, it happens many times to leave the phone connected to the charger much more time necezzario.
The battery by doing so you may receive a surplus of energy than necessary, and in the long run, deteriorate more quickly. Samsung has inserted inside the Galaxy S3 a limiter that operates in the following way: while the phone is charging, you download slightly of 2-3% for then recharge automatically up to 100 %. This process is repeated automatically from your phone until it is removed from the charger.
Use this app.for monitoring battery ; https://play.google.com/store/apps/...ch_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNjYzcxLmJtdyJd
If necessary make a battery calibration uses these applications ; https://play.google.com/store/search?q=calibration&c=apps
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Hmm, im not talking about when it charges at 100 % im talking about when it charges in mid ranges like 50 or 80. It shows charging but an hour passed but it didnt even increase to 2 percent
Are you on an original rom or a custom / leaked one?
Have you tried another charger or computer?
It may take some time to charge on slower chargers (the ones only outputting 0.5Amp) but it definitively should not be discharging when connected to a charger with the screen off.
Im on stock firmware. Using the wall outlet ti charge the phone

how long does your elephone p9000 take to charge with fast charging

Just curious. Thank you
Pro4TLZZ said:
Just curious. Thank you
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About 90 minutes
Weird Mine takes 1hr 50m from 0 to 100%
Only 30 mins but lasts for 3 days of constant use afterwards.
I'm also surprised by these different delay...
I'm not using a quick charger and I'm able to charge my P9000 phone in 2h00/2h15.
I was waiting for a 30/45 min complete charge from 0% to 100% with a Pump Express + Charger.
I tried my phone on 2 Pump Express (not +) charger with a probe linked on the USB power lines and an Oscilloscope and it never change the power supply voltage....
It always stay at 5V.
I was thinking the phone will manage the voltage to accelerate the charging process, but nothing happened.
So, to have a complete view of the problem, I've ordered an original Elephone Quick Charger, and I'll check if there's any change about this subject.
But from my point of view, the Pump Express System is not working at all on the P9000 with the Aerom V4 or Stock ROM 20160608.
If other people have the same issue, please share it here to identify if it's a general bug or limited to some devices only.
20160608 kernel hace messed up fast charging. To me in aerom3 it takes about 70 mins from 0 to 100%
Fast charging still slow
I havent charged from 0% but based on charging times so far I reckon 1.5hrs would definitely get to 100%.
I use an Anker faster charger and Anker usb cable.
Last phone got fried with Elephone cable.

Slower than expected charging speed

I am using the latest LineagOS. I thought Le Max 2 has QC3.0 support which should let it run at 12v charge voltage, but it does not.
The best it does is 9V and 1.6A (measured using usb meter) totaling to 14.4W. I tried the phone at room temperature, also cooled it down in fridge and tried again. Results are same. The battery was 1% - 3% at start.
Is this normal? I calculated and 14.4W if batteryt was charged to 4.35V makes roughly 3300mA which sounds rather low. I expected phone to go around 4100mA at least while charging.
More importantly, it never switches to 12V charging voltage. Is that normal?
my phone is going up to 4100mA while charging. On some roms you have to enable quick charge in your phones settings.
@LivingLing did you test with a program like Ampere or using a USB meter device? Because your ROM may be giving you incorrect values and it can't be trusted.
There is no quick charge option in LineageOS but I can see that phone is using quick charge because charger increase voltage to 9V. I am trying to understand why it wouldn't go to 12V
yurtesen said:
@LivingLing did you test with a program like Ampere or using a USB meter device? Because your ROM may be giving you incorrect values and it can't be trusted.
There is no quick charge option in LineageOS but I can see that phone is using quick charge because charger increase voltage to 9V. I am trying to understand why it wouldn't go to 12V
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No i didnt used anything like that, just mentioned the values given by the Rom. But my phone charges Form 10% to 100% in like 15 minutes. So thats actually pretty fast in my opinion.
That sounds impossible, make a screenshot from the charging graph please. That would be something about 10A charging current...
I get about 4,5A when I activate QC on the EUI
@LivingLing Your phone must be broken if you can charge 0 to 100% in 15 minutes. You can't really charge a lithium battery very fast after about 80% and thats why quick charge implementations never talk about 0 to 100% charge time.
With lithium battery, most implementations set the input voltage to about 4.35V and battery charges as fast as it can pull power. This slows down when battery is near full.
I recommend you to get a USB meter, they cost few dollars anyway and quite cool devices.

Charging speed

To power up, you consume Red Bull. But your phone just needs its adaptive fast charger. Rate this thread to express how quickly the Realme X2 Pro can charge. A higher rating indicates that it charges extremely fast.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Quick isn't the word. It's amazing seeing how fast it charges.
Can it be charged with a 5 volt charger?
I think I have a problem with fast charging.
Yesterday while the phone was charging, electricity in my house was shutted down. When it came back, I can see than now, I charge 1 % on 35 seconds, instead of 20 sec before.
Could it have the battery damaged ? I doubt so, buty it's strange.
I tried when battery was 82%
Maybe it's quicker when battery is low ?
What's your thoughts about this situation ?
Thanks !
Edit : Okay, after 85% it slows down, but before it's okay
ManuBBXX said:
I think I have a problem with fast charging.
Yesterday while the phone was charging, electricity in my house was shutted down. When it came back, I can see than now, I charge 1 % on 35 seconds, instead of 20 sec before.
Could it have the battery damaged ? I doubt so, buty it's strange.
I tried when battery was 82%
Maybe it's quicker when battery is low ?
What's your thoughts about this situation ?
Thanks !
Edit : Okay, after 85% it slows down, but before it's okay
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Yeah it slows down towards the end I'll go from 0-99 in 28-30 min then takes some time sometimes to get the last 1%. Battery life is also incredibly good.
chipcamel said:
Yeah it slows down towards the end I'll go from 0-99 in 28-30 min then takes some time sometimes to get the last 1%. Battery life is also incredibly good.
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Wrong screenshot
chipcamel said:
Wrong screenshot
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Yeah battery life is outstanding..
Anyway, I have a little weird thing :
This battery monitor stats shows me different SOT than GSAMBatteryMonitor.
GSAM shows 2 hours more (wich I think wrong), and this delay grows while battery dercreases.
Do you have this app showing the same stats than colorOS battery monitor ?
ManuBBXX said:
Yeah battery life is outstanding..
Anyway, I have a little weird thing :
This battery monitor stats shows me different SOT than GSAMBatteryMonitor.
GSAM shows 2 hours more (wich I think wrong), and this delay grows while battery dercreases.
Do you have this app showing the same stats than colorOS battery monitor ?
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I just downloaded the app you're talking about give me a day or so I'll give you an update
50W Charge is impressive can't wait to get in hands.
Can you disable fast charge (like in samsung galaxy note 9)?
What time does it take to reach 100 from 0?
ManojKing said:
What time does it take to reach 100 from 0?
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Usually 28 minutes and a maximum of 35
labib2002 said:
Usually 28 minutes and a maximum of 35
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Yes it's really fast
Greetings.
I got my X2 Pro about 2 days ago. Charging speed is even better than advertised, as it takes less than 30 minutes to reach full charge. But phone usually gets too hot when fast charging. Do I experience this problem alone or do you guys too? Kinda worried about battery health in the long run if it gets too hot everytime I charge it.
Thanks before
reyhanjuala said:
Greetings.
I got my X2 Pro about 2 days ago. Charging speed is even better than advertised, as it takes less than 30 minutes to reach full charge. But phone usually gets too hot when fast charging. Do I experience this problem alone or do you guys too? Kinda worried about battery health in the long run if it gets too hot everytime I charge it.
Thanks before
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Same thing here, so I don't charge more than 40 - 45% at a time.
If my battery is below 50%, I charge in 2 times with a 10 min pause.
Doing sop, you don't reach hoptter than 33 degrees instead of 38+
I can't seem to get a decent standard charging from 5V 2A chargers or Powerbanks, even a QC3 Powerbank only delivers 0,9-1A.
I only get about 900mA according to the Ampere-App. {On the contrary, I even get 1,8A from the original wall plug at 80% SoC).
Do you also struggle?
devilgenius said:
Can you disable fast charge (like in samsung galaxy note 9)?
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I tried to use a 5 watt charger, and it works. Been searching in settings for an option to disable fast charging, but I can't find one.
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Polarfuchs said:
I can't seem to get a decent standard charging from 5V 2A chargers or Powerbanks, even a QC3 Powerbank only delivers 0,9-1A.
I only get about 900mA according to the Ampere-App. {On the contrary, I even get 1,8A from the original wall plug at 80% SoC).
Do you also struggle?
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Same here. I used a 9V 2A charger, and it won't go more than 1100mA.
I wonder if this is a detection error from the apps. I think they don't consider the dual battery layout and only display half of the true value.
The error that the app "charger tester" shows let's me think this or does support my theory.
All apps seem to not be able to show the correct current flow because of the dual-batteries.
I found the engingeering mode and can confirm that the phone charges with 5V 2A on dumb chargers.
And also supports QC 18W with 9V 2A
As well as the Oneplus 20W Dash charger with 5V 4A.
Polarfuchs said:
I can't seem to get a decent standard charging from 5V 2A chargers or Powerbanks, even a QC3 Powerbank only delivers 0,9-1A.
I only get about 900mA according to the Ampere-App. {On the contrary, I even get 1,8A from the original wall plug at 80% SoC).
Do you also struggle?
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physixthegreat said:
I tried to use a 5 watt charger, and it works. Been searching in settings for an option to disable fast charging, but I can't find one.
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Same here. I used a 9V 2A charger, and it won't go more than 1100mA.
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Super VOOC (and also VOOC) have their own protocol of charging mechanism. It's not the same with other quick charge method like Quick Charge 3.0.
You will not have VOOC charging if you are not using right adapter and right cable. You try use Super VOOC charge with other USB cable, VOOC charging will not work.
So when you using other adapter or cable, you'll got standard 5V charging max 2A.

Question Any one uses Advanced Charging Controller (ACC) + how native limiter works?

Anyone had success with running ACC https://github.com/VR-25/acc with Zenfone 9 ? For me it does not stop charging (tried test with 3 methods). Or maybe someone uses any other stop charging method/app?
I know I can limit chaging to 80% with Asus ROM, but what I do not know, what happens next - once charging thershold is reached, does then phone get's power directly from charger not from battery? Because if it get's from battery, means phone is charging battery, every time it will drop 1%, which is bad.
According to someone in Asus forum, it indeed uses trickle charging:
Re: How battery care charging limitworks? What happens after charging will reach X%?
phone just stop pulling power from the wall, before its drop to 79% its start to charge again, u can monitor this behavior by using usb tester, its also known as trickle charging.
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which means still battery life decreases. Which means it still needs some root solution, to stop charging at all :/

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