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Will it be a upgrade or downgrade?
The adaptive refresh rate is nice and the s pen reacts better and the fps is much better.
The form factor i.e aesthetics is pretty much the same. OK the N20 Ultra is a little bit taller.
The display for some does seem to be a little more washed out.
The Exynos version does seem to have warming up issues and some say the screen on time isn't good on the Exynos or Snapdragon varients.
I'd say it's an incremental upgrade for the Ultra.
I wouldn't opt for the Note 20 due to it's cost.
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The adaptive refresh rate is nice and the s pen reacts better and the fps is much better.
The form factor i.e aesthetics is pretty much the same. OK the N20 Ultra is a little bit taller.
The display for some does seem to be a little more washed out.
The Exynos version does seem to have warming up issues and some say the screen on time isn't good on the Exynos or Snapdragon varients.
I'd say it's an incremental upgrade for the Ultra.
I wouldn't opt for the Note 20 due to it's cost.
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Thank you for the explanation, i was considering Note 20, not the ultra.
10+ to 20 is a downgrade.
It is not a downgrade. I had 10 and 10+. Now have a 20. For me flat screen is better. Also better camera and so important for me better zoom. Battery life is not so so but is better. In 3D games Note 10+ was totally disappointing. Overheating and Lagging. Now 20 is really more stable. I talk about Exynos models.
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10+ to 20 is a downgrade.
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It is quite true, only camera is improved but all the rest is kinda worse.
propov said:
It is not a downgrade. I had 10 and 10+. Now have a 20. For me flat screen is better. Also better camera and so important for me better zoom. Battery life is not so so but is better. In 3D games Note 10+ was totally disappointing. Overheating and Lagging. Now 20 is really more stable. I talk about Exynos models.
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The better battery and gameplay is because the screen had been downgrade to work with the poor processor. You could've easily turned the 10+ to a lower resolution to get better battery and gameplay. Only real update is the cameras.
I moved from note 10+ because of the new processor, camera, flat screen, and 5G. I take a lot of notes and flat screen vs curved is just better in my opinion.
I want to buy S21 Plus but I know that Ultra has a higher screen resolution. Has anyone been able to put the two side by side and examine them? Is the difference in resolution visible to the naked eye?
I am currently using S8 Plus in FHD mode. In theory ,S21 Plus has lower PPI than S8 Plus when use it FHD mode bcz of bigger screen.
It depends on your visual acuity and what you're viewing. You can try for yourself by comparing an image at two different resolutions (of the correct ratio) side-by-side on your monitor, viewed from a distance that creates the same pixel density in your visual field as your phone has.
I've got 20/15 vision, I can't tell any difference. Even holding the s21 ultra an inch from your face and changing resolution, you can't tell a difference. The benefit of the ultra is better zoom camera and battery life (mostly from the lower power display).
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I've got 20/15 vision, I can't tell any difference. Even holding the s21 ultra an inch from your face and changing resolution, you can't tell a difference. The benefit of the ultra is better zoom camera and battery life (mostly from the lower power display).
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I agree,
Tried both and can't see any difference to me either.
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Even holding the s21 ultra an inch from your face and changing resolution, you can't tell a difference.
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Some can't, some can. It depends in part at what you're looking at. If there's text or other visual detail that's just at the border of what can be resolved at the higher resolution, then it's illegible at the lower resolution.
I can tweak the resolution back and forth on my Ultra and there is a difference, it's very subtle but it's there, to be fair FHD+ is more than good enough for everything though.
Would like to know.
I want to know this as well. I traded my 22 ultra when the z fold 4 came out because I constantly missed texts and calls. I loved that phone but that motor was a complete deal breaker.
I would like also to know , on S22 ultra the haptic motor was a Quality one but weak , the pulses were very good but not that strong
I love my Galaxy Watch 4 Classic for this. Never miss notifications anymore.
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I love my Galaxy Watch 4 Classic for this. Never miss notifications anymore.
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Yep that exactly why I bought the Galaxy Watch 5 pro. I have my s22U in an OtterBox Defender Pro case which comes with a belt clip and you can't feel vibrations at all. I am Deaf so I have to feel the vibrations to know a call, text or email is coming in. Watch 5 Pro fixed all that and now I never miss anything. Also it's easier to just flip your wrist and see what the notification is.
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Yep that exactly why I bought the Galaxy Watch 5 pro. I have my s22U in an OtterBox Defender Pro case which comes with a belt clip and you can't feel vibrations at all. I am Deaf so I have to feel the vibrations to know a call, text or email is coming in. Watch 5 Pro fixed all that and now I never miss anything. Also it's easier to just flip your wrist and see what the notification is.
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I didn't even know that I would love it for that. Woot had a deal that was $185 for a brand new 46mm 4 Classic LTE model last month so I decided to try it. I'm in love with it and couldn't live without it now.
Yeah I have a Galaxy Watch 5 pro but that's not really what we are asking here.
Got mine S23 ultra green yesterday, I will post later today the vibration comparison to S22 ultra. Forgot to test them yesterday side-by-side when transferring the data. Luckily the S22 stays with me too, so I'll have more info for you tonight.
For me on S21 ultra vibration was like 2x stronger then on s23 ultra, big downgrade for me.
I cannot compare side by side, but I would judge the vibration intensity to be similar to the S22U... the P7P in comparision had much stronger (or more recognizable) vibration....
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Got mine S23 ultra green yesterday, I will post later today the vibration comparison to S22 ultra. Forgot to test them yesterday side-by-side when transferring the data. Luckily the S22 stays with me too, so I'll have more info for you tonight.
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Great. Very interested to know this.
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For me on S21 ultra vibration was like 2x stronger then on s23 ultra, big downgrade for me.
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It means the vm remained unchanged from S22 series and that's a disappointment. Yes, it was really good with S21 series.
Dang people already getting their phones? I got another 9 days to wait according to my account.
I've just compared vibration between my Note 10+ and S23 Ultra, and S23 Ultra vibration it's really weak compared to my N10+. It even has an option for "Vibration sound", where the phone reproduces a vibration sound from the speakers, that are louder that the vibration it self. I don't know it this were an option in S22 Ultra...
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I've just compared vibration between my Note 10+ and S23 Ultra, and S23 Ultra vibration it's really weak compared to my N10+. It even has an option for "Vibration sound", where the phone reproduces a vibration sound from the speakers, that are louder that the vibration it self. I don't know it this were an option in S22 Ultra...
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I've never seen that before either! I looked and it's there in my s22 ultra. And it's checked. No idea if it does anything really
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Got mine S23 ultra green yesterday, I will post later today the vibration comparison to S22 ultra. Forgot to test them yesterday side-by-side when transferring the data. Luckily the S22 stays with me too, so I'll have more info for you tonight.
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As promised, coming with side-by-side testing results of vibration, identical to my S22 Ultra, unfortunately...
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For me on S21 ultra vibration was like 2x stronger then on s23 ultra, big downgrade for me.
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That is a bummer for me as it's very important to me as I'm 95% deaf now due to Tinnitus. New phones are suppose to get better not worse. I'm gonna have to use some good light alerts to off set that some, but it won't help any in my side pouch.
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That is a bummer for me as it's very important to me as I'm 95% deaf now due to Tinnitus. New phones are suppose to get better not worse. I'm gonna have to use some good light alerts to off set that some, but it won't help any in my side pouch.
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I think you should better get Smartwatch , because most haptic motors these days are more into precise pulses than being strong and buzzy , unless you bought a gaming phone ,
Pixel 7 Pro seems to have better vibration motor also
Compared side by side with the S21 Ultra and S22 Ultra, the S21 Ultra is the strongest and uses the same style motor as the 10 and 20 series. The S23 Ultra has a smoother vibration but not quite as strong as the S21 Ultra. The S22 Ultra is the weakest.
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I've just compared vibration between my Note 10+ and S23 Ultra, and S23 Ultra vibration it's really weak compared to my N10+. It even has an option for "Vibration sound", where the phone reproduces a vibration sound from the speakers, that are louder that the vibration it self. I don't know it this were an option in S22 Ultra...
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Indeed very poor intensity on s23u
Hello,
Have since 03.02.2023 the s23 ultra. I noticed the first time that the colors are not quite as good. I then compared it with my s21 ultra and indeed the colors of the s23 ultra are not as color intensive. They shine less. Have made the same settings on both smartphones.
Unfortunately, this can not be captured on pictures very well. If you look at the picture from a YouTuber, you can see what I mean in the blue area.
Has no one noticed this yet?
Best regards
yeah noticed the same thing, but I was coming from a OnePlus 5.
color are washed out and feels like there a white film .
Coming from a S21ULTRA... I'm not seeing the difference. Play with the display calibration - mine are set the same way and look the same, a tad brighter on the new phone.
Coming from s21u I find it perfectly fine but I also always use my phone with the natural setting, not vivid setting so maybe that's why.
Honestly, looking at your pic I feel like your s21 almost had some sort of haze filter on it by looking at the "white" area. Which makes the blues sort of darker too. Hard to tell really from a pic.
But what I can tell you is that I still find the s23u screen as splendid as the s21u
My Note 10 screen looks better than my s23u
The longer I have the s23u the more I am considering returning it.
On mine the colors are pretty fine, on the left the crop of the S23U screen and on the right the target.
On the left is what my camera sees, looking with my eyes I see mostly the same colors, no exactly but nothing to be worried about. This is the most objetive test I tried to do.
Coming from an S22U, I like this S23U much more... and something more to add, this is the first firmware and for sure It will be improved, but this is the first time I get a firmware from Samsung that doesn't have so many issues like the other Galaxies Samsung released in the past.
The configuration of my screen is this:
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Coming from a S21ULTRA... I'm not seeing the difference. Play with the display calibration - mine are set the same way and look the same, a tad brighter on the new pho
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Coming from a S21ULTRA... I'm not seeing the difference. Play with the display calibration - mine are set the same way and look the same, a tad brighter on the new phone.
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Completely agree there's a few threads on samsung and reddit talking about it. Some say it's new display tech that changes room to room. I'm not sure what it is but I hate it lol. Compared to my s21 it lacks the punch,depth,sharpness, color gamut. It has nothing to do with setting we can change at the moment from what I can find. It's driving me crazy how off it is. I thought I had a lemon of a display or something. Someone in another said he checked on multiple s23u and they all had the same look
smellz said:
Hello,
Have since 03.02.2023 the s23 ultra. I noticed the first time that the colors are not quite as good. I then compared it with my s21 ultra and indeed the colors of the s23 ultra are not as color intensive. They shine less. Have made the same settings on both smartphones.
Unfortunately, this can not be captured on pictures very well. If you look at the picture from a YouTuber, you can see what I mean in the blue area.
Has no one noticed this yet?
Best regards
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Completely agree there's a few threads on samsung and reddit talking about it. Some say it's new display tech that changes room to room. I'm not sure what it is but I hate it lol. Compared to my s21 it lacks the punch,depth,sharpness, color gamut. It has nothing to do with setting we can change at the moment from what I can find. It's driving me crazy how off it is. I thought I had a lemon of a display or something. Someone in another said he checked on multiple s23u and they all had the same look
coming from iphone14pro max.
its way more better then it ever was on iphone.
its my first androidphone since galaxy s3.
vnmlike said:
coming from iphone14pro max.
its way more better then it ever was on iphone.
its my first androidphone since galaxy s3.
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Yes , but most people here are comparing it to other Samsung devices which used to have more saturated colors , but iPhone have always ben washed out since start , so you should see it as an upgrade switching to S23 , but from Samsung to Samsung you will feel a little bit downgraded
but what actually happened is Samsung decided to go for a more accurate and natural colors instead of punchier vibrant colors as before
smellz said:
Hello,
Have since 03.02.2023 the s23 ultra. I noticed the first time that the colors are not quite as good. I then compared it with my s21 ultra and indeed the colors of the s23 ultra are not as color intensive. They shine less. Have made the same settings on both smartphones.
Unfortunately, this can not be captured on pictures very well. If you look at the picture from a YouTuber, you can see what I mean in the blue area.
Has no one noticed this yet?
Best regards
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This is the first thing I also noticed. I've already mentioned this on forums, I thought that my phone was defective, so I wanted to return, and then i went to local shops and saw that all s23u's are the same...
Looks great to me in natural. I hate the blown out over saturated colors that Samsung used to use. I think it looks better than my S22U did.
I remember going from an LG G3 to an S7E and was like, my god these colors are oversaturated. LOL. I came to kind of like it that way, but still recognized it's not particularly "accurate" compared to some of the less vibrant displays from other manufacturers. Compared to my S20+ it doesn't seem much different. The actual display panel and technology seems much improved, but the colors seem very similar.
The adapting to lighting conditions seems to be key. Sometimes the screen looks great, and others it's way too warm or cold. Could it be a new polarizing filter? It does seem better after the recent update, but still is not as vibrant or as consistent as the S22U.
S23U have great screen but default have more natural colors compare to previous models. Color vibrant can be change.
For me this is good change, more eyes friendly
My s23 ultra has a slight red tint in the middle.. anyone else?
i did notice that it changes based on where i am or time of day - sometimes it can be quite punchy and contrasty others is quite washed - you can esp notice it in the greys/whites etc
i think it is this self adapting tech
doesnt bother me to death but yea its happening
I noticed this coming from an S22U as well. Viewing angles are poorer -- when you tilt the phone slightly downwards there's a green hue that appears quickly at the bottom. I sold and rebought like four to five sets and they all had the same "issue" too to varying extents.
Partly as a result of this I feel that colour uniformity is not as good on the S23U. On a pure white background, I feel that there are certain parts of the screen that have a different tint from the other parts. This was also apparent in most of the sets I sold and rebought.
My first S23 Ultra also had a "Mura" pattern near the status bar as though the status bar icons were burnt in. I guess they loosened quality control this year because the last time I had issues with the screen was the Galaxy S6
I hope it won't be offtopic if I mention base S23 (not ultra). So I had the impression that the color reproduction was a bit below my expectations. What's funny - standard wallpapers are great to present this problem, it's a really good benchmark.
So I set the blue planet (attached) as a wallpaper/lock screen on two phones, my old S20 FE 5G and new S23. On S23 gradients are not smooth. Period. It's enough to tell if the panel has good color reproduction or not. Same wallpaper on S20 FE 5G looks better (S23 has worse color reproduction). I don't have a third phone to take a photo of how it looks.
Ps. one minor thing to notice; when I wake up screens, both displays perform comparable and in both cases gradients on wallpapers do not look smooth, but after unlocking phones it changes. S20 FE 5G seems to render nicer colors and gradients become smooth. On S23 though, gradients are still not smooth (looks like color palette limitation or something). So I don't have a clue if this is hardware or software issue. I have only few days to decide if I return S23 or keep it.
Pss. I checked the webp file and it's perfectly fine, it looks super nice on my MacBook or my external display.
What I love:
+Reception is even better than the S22 Ultra. Data speeds are about 10% faster and showing full signal almost everywhere with Verizon.
+Battery life is outstanding, especially with standby time.
+Speakers are louder and have a lot more bass
+Vibrate motor is a bit stronger
+Flatter screen is much better to use
+The camera is great, but so was the S22 Ultra
+Seems slightly smoother and faster
What is less than great:
-The phone is bulkier than the S22 Ultra and is rather unwieldy. The flat sides give you more to hold onto but make it feel huge.
-The screen isn't calibrated with the vibrancy of the S22 Ultra. One must tweak the Eye Comfort Shield settings to improve it. Also there is more noticeable color shifting from top to bottom when tilting the phone.
-Yes, that under glass "bubble" defect in the lower right corner is there.
-The first one I tried had really cheap feeling mushy buttons. All display models were weak too. The one I got is fairly firm and clicky though.
-The camera is not that much better than the S22 Ultra and in a few cases is worse.
OVERALL:
This is a great phone, but even as someone who is tempted by the latest and greatest, I have to admit the upgrade from the S22 Ultra to S23 Ultra is minimal. It's a refinement but isn't groundbreaking. As many have said, annual upgrades are a waste. I'm debating whether it is worth keeping.
Send it back if you're underwhelmed.
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What I love:
+Reception is even better than the S22 Ultra. Data speeds are about 10% faster and showing full signal almost everywhere with Verizon.
+Battery life is outstanding, especially with standby time.
+Speakers are louder and have a lot more bass
+Vibrate motor is a bit stronger
+Flatter screen is much better to use
+The camera is great, but so was the S22 Ultra
+Seems slightly smoother and faster
What is less than great:
-The phone is bulkier than the S22 Ultra and is rather unwieldy. The flat sides give you more to hold onto but make it feel huge.
-The screen isn't calibrated with the vibrancy of the S22 Ultra. One must tweak the Eye Comfort Shield settings to improve it. Also there is more noticeable color shifting from top to bottom when tilting the phone.
-Yes, that under glass "bubble" defect in the lower right corner is there.
-The first one I tried had really cheap feeling mushy buttons. All display models were weak too. The one I got is fairly firm and clicky though.
-The camera is not that much better than the S22 Ultra and in a few cases is worse.
OVERALL:
This is a great phone, but even as someone who is tempted by the latest and greatest, I have to admit the upgrade from the S22 Ultra to S23 Ultra is minimal. It's a refinement but isn't groundbreaking. As many have said, annual upgrades are a waste. I'm debating whether it is worth keeping.
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Important especially for users in EU- are you have Exynos or Snapdragon version S22U?
Now I have s23U and my girlfriend S22U Exynos.
I Can confirm your "love list" too.
Flatter screen is more comfortable to writing, typing with spen.
Look S23U for me is better - more rectangular is my target .
Most important in EU is oficiall version with snapdragon (good snapdragon by TSMC).
I see better battery life than S22U, cell reception and few upgrades like above but overall are very similar devices, with great specifications
For the photo you need to use the gcam, which was previously impossible for the exynos version
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I've decided to keep the S23 Ultra. In order of importance, the better battery life, better speakers, better haptics, flatter screen, and better camera zoom quality have made a tremendous difference for me. The battery level is about 25% higher at the end of the day compared to the S22 Ultra.
The screen has been the most questionable aspect of this phone. The first one received had the bubble defect very badly, visible in nearly any light, as well as excessive off-axis color shifting. The replacement is nearly perfect and the screen is no longer giving me a headache. To note, I've compared quite a few S23 Ultras and all of them have that lower right screen irregularity to a varying degree. Some are bent to the point of creating a visible bubble in any light, while others are slightly tucked along the bottom bezel and look fine unless you shine a light at a specific angle.
At first, it seemed like the S23 Ultra screen was much less vibrant than the S22 Ultra, but that was fixed by adjusting settings. Through testing, it appears that they're using a stronger anti glare layer which greatly improves visibility in sunlight, but can also cause increased color shifting in some conditions.
Yes, this is the first time I've had to get a replacement Samsung in a long time, but when you get a good one, it's very good. It definitely appears that quality control is a bit looser this year, but I still think this is by far the best phone in 2023. It will be interesting to see if Samsung continues the S line as is or merges high end with the foldables somehow.
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It will be interesting to see if Samsung continues the S line as is or merges high end with the foldables somehow.
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Foldables are toys. Samsung would be committing suicide if they drop the S line. Most people aren't interested in carrying around a screen with a crease in it...
Glad that your replacement is treating you better though. I'm quite happy with my S23 Ultra. I have no major complaints which is pretty much a first. All of my past devices either overheated, had bad battery, had crappy speakers, had bad radio reception, or some combo of these... None of that here.
Getting correct white balance on S23U screen in vivid mode
Anyone who wants to adjust the white balance of vivid screen mode to 6500k - here are my settings, done with a laser spectrophotometer. Gamma is 2.207289 and delta E is 0.3 While every screen is a little different and ideally needs its own...
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Guyinlaca said:
I've decided to keep the S23 Ultra. In order of importance, the better battery life, better speakers, better haptics, flatter screen, and better camera zoom quality have made a tremendous difference for me. The battery level is about 25% higher at the end of the day compared to the S22 Ultra.
The screen has been the most questionable aspect of this phone. The first one received had the bubble defect very badly, visible in nearly any light, as well as excessive off-axis color shifting. The replacement is nearly perfect and the screen is no longer giving me a headache. To note, I've compared quite a few S23 Ultras and all of them have that lower right screen irregularity to a varying degree. Some are bent to the point of creating a visible bubble in any light, while others are slightly tucked along the bottom bezel and look fine unless you shine a light at a specific angle.
At first, it seemed like the S23 Ultra screen was much less vibrant than the S22 Ultra, but that was fixed by adjusting settings. Through testing, it appears that they're using a stronger anti glare layer which greatly improves visibility in sunlight, but can also cause increased color shifting in some conditions.
Yes, this is the first time I've had to get a replacement Samsung in a long time, but when you get a good one, it's very good. It definitely appears that quality control is a bit looser this year, but I still think this is by far the best phone in 2023. It will be interesting to see if Samsung continues the S line as is or merges high end with the foldables somehow.
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The off-axis color shift in gone in this new unit?
In my unit when tilt slightly at the bottom of the screen appears green tint(on white screen), but otherwise is perfect, the problem is durinng the normal use i see the shifting :/
I compared my phone with a unit in store, the store unit have the shifting but slightly better.
I'm undecided whether to change, but I fear that I will then receive a worse unit.
The new one has it but at least it's a gradual uniform shift and it appears to be the anti glare layer built into the screen. The first phone had it so badly that it shifted dramatically with the slightest of tilts and was giving me a headache. Yes, I've tested many as well and all have it, some worse than others. If the others you tested are about the same, I'd say it's probably within normal.
I had a USA S22U with 8gb ram 128gb of storage . I have a USA S23U with 12gb ram 512gb of storage. The S23U is faster, smoother and the battery life is much better, especially during idle and sleep. The speakers are better and the camera is better as well. Having said that if I didn't get the $800 trade in through carrier, I would have not upgraded from S22U to S23U. It seems like the S23U is just a 20-30% improved S22U. This is not a knock on the S23U since I do like the device but I could see why people could be underwhelmed.
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I had a USA S22U with 8gb ram 128gb of storage . I have a USA S23U with 12gb ram 512gb of storage. The S23U is faster, smoother and the battery life is much better, especially during idle and sleep. The speakers are better and the camera is better as well. Having said that if I didn't get the $800 trade in through carrier, I would have not upgraded from S22U to S23U. It seems like the S23U is just a 20-30% improved S22U. This is not a knock on the S23U since I do like the device but I could see why people could be underwhelmed.
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First of all, not everyone upgrade device every generation.
Me as example, coming from an (amazing) Huawei p30, i se the big improvement.
Also, coming from an Exinos s22u would be a big upgrade too
Fl1nt91 said:
First of all, not everyone upgrade device every generation.
Me as example, coming from an (amazing) Huawei p30, i se the big improvement.
Also, coming from an Exinos s22u would be a big upgrade too
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this is why i mentioned USA S22U. I didn't mention any other phones for this reason. for anyone who upgrades every year, it would be underwhelming if coming from a snapdragon S22U.