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Where only possible 3 or 4 months away from the launch of the G7 obviously it not going to have the Snapdragon 845 thank to Samsung.
My guess at specs.
Snapdragon 835
4GB of ram
64GB of storage as standard
Micro SD
18:9 5.7" POLED display at 2k
Quad DAC on all G7's variants
Improved dual camera with a more upto date sensor.
Headphone jack
USB Type C
ip68
Wireless charging on all G7 variants
Basically it more likely be a smaller version of the V30, unless they go for even slimmer bezel's this time around.
So will you buying one or will you wait for the V30 which will eventually drop in price & probably cost less than the G7 when that launches.
G7 will have snapdragon 845
I have my 870DS since August, why should I buy a new one if it's gonna die in 3 years, then I will think about a G10
ric84 said:
I have my 870DS since August, why should I buy a new one if it's gonna die in 3 years, then I will think about a G10
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I traded mine 2 weeks ago , from Huawei p10 plus to my actual lg g6 ... Couldnt be happier , better battery life , good photos ... Great phone
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
ric84 said:
I have my 870DS since August, why should I buy a new one if it's gonna die in 3 years, then I will think about a G10
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Same to me...
Shifted from G3 to G6 after 2 happy years.
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I'm waiting for :
6GB of ram.
I'll probably wait for LG V40
Don't really see what could be an upgrade at this point.
Sure, you can always go faster processor, more RAM yadda yadda...
But let's be true here: the G6 is already a beast and you can hardly get it to stutter with normal usage (even with an realtively "old" processor).
So "upgrading" from G6 to a possible G7 seems odd.
Maybe from older devices, yes.
I've had my G6 for less than two months. G7?
I don't know. Not without the latest and greatest processor.
I wouldn't buy one with an 835 in it.
Daaaaaaamn these smarpthone versions releases are rolling like hot cakes... shiiit Just got the G6 & V30 just been released holy madre...
For me if the G7 comes with better of all inclluding the Cine Log feature from V30 and a way better front Camera as well as improved or better Back camera and if, only if it comes to Videotron here in Quebec/Montreal as this time, Videotron Marketing guys were stupid enough to not get the LG V30 but instead they got Exlusive Pixel 2 & 2XL and they're not selling at all.. yeees i'd buy the G7 and also if the form factor of the overall phone is a bit wider in the feel of the hands as the G6 seems a bit thinner in terms of grip I find. And would be nice if Videotron could get LG phones that comes with DAC features
By the way, those who own a G6, did you guys noticed that Instragram has been pre-installed? If yes, how can I fully un-install it, i mean fully without leaving any trace of it so I can go and install some Instagram Mods??
Thanks guys
never buying lg until lg lets users unlock their bootloaders..
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never buying lg until lg lets users unlock their bootloaders..
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????
If you buy the unlocked versions (US or international) you can unlock the BL.
If they are carrier branded, the carrier decides if the BL can be unlocked.
But I guess you won't be buying Samsung either. KNOX is a pain.
I'll probably keep my G6 for another year or so. I think after that I'll hop over to a pixel phone.
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????
If you buy the unlocked versions (US or international) you can unlock the BL.
If they are carrier branded, the carrier decides if the BL can be unlocked.
But I guess you won't be buying Samsung either. KNOX is a pain.
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well I'm from india..here only locked bootloader available..and even if i import the device bands wont match and data gives me trouble..and I'm using my old Samsung note5 kept the g6 aside from almost 2 months
Will never buy an lg phone ever again...for the simple fact that most versions are not boot unlocked. Especially in canada where I am. I got the lgg6 and still no news about a root. Ill go back to samsung.
dhanmohan said:
well I'm from india..here only locked bootloader available..and even if i import the device bands wont match and data gives me trouble..and I'm using my old Samsung note5 kept the g6 aside from almost 2 months
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I understand.
Here in the US, Samsung is even worse.
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Will never buy an lg phone ever again...for the simple fact that most versions are not boot unlocked. Especially in canada where I am. I got the lgg6 and still no news about a root. Ill go back to samsung.
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Hi,
Good to find some Montreal folks here By the way, I don't know if my information is correct but with Videotron or with the new law that has pass here in Quebec, when you buy a new smartphone, 2 months after you can call your carrier and tell them to fully "Unlock" your phone, meaning the BL. Just bought a week and half ago my LG G6 (coming from Nexus6P, had to change cuz battery draining fast now, gonna change the battery) and I asked the question to the seller and he confirmed to me, that in December, just call Videotron or come by and will make the call for you to get your LG G6 fully unlocked. And I told him, if ain't true i'm going back to kick his ass. And thats when he also mentioned me about the new law as well. So I don't know if this applies to other carriers (should be as long as you're in Quebec/montreal etc..) but you should double check.
By the way, are you saying that Samsungs phones when you buy them here either Videotron or Bell etc.. they are already Unlocked??? Can you confirm??
Also whats the reason you got the LG G6?? Me its mostly the Wide Angle feature. I was battling between Note8 & LG G6 and I went with the LG G6 even though I know that in terms of quality, Samsung Note 8 camera has an edge over the G6 and I heard that Note8 takes also two pics when you take a pic including a wide one but Note8 from what i've research does NOT have that WIDE ANGLE feature LG has... am I wrong???
Very curious
officialmy said:
Hi,
Good to find some Montreal folks here By the way, I don't know if my information is correct but with Videotron or with the new law that has pass here in Quebec, when you buy a new smartphone, 2 months after you can call your carrier and tell them to fully "Unlock" your phone, meaning the BL. Just bought a week and half ago my LG G6 (coming from Nexus6P, had to change cuz battery draining fast now, gonna change the battery) and I asked the question to the seller and he confirmed to me, that in December, just call Videotron or come by and will make the call for you to get your LG G6 fully unlocked. And I told him, if ain't true i'm going back to kick his ass. And thats when he also mentioned me about the new law as well. So I don't know if this applies to other carriers (should be as long as you're in Quebec/montreal etc..) but you should double check.
By the way, are you saying that Samsungs phones when you buy them here either Videotron or Bell etc.. they are already Unlocked??? Can you confirm??
Also whats the reason you got the LG G6?? Me its mostly the Wide Angle feature. I was battling between Note8 & LG G6 and I went with the LG G6 even though I know that in terms of quality, Samsung Note 8 camera has an edge over the G6 and I heard that Note8 takes also two pics when you take a pic including a wide one but Note8 from what i've research does NOT have that WIDE ANGLE feature LG has... am I wrong???
Very curious
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Hey man
Well Bootloader lock is not the same as carrier lock. The carrier lock thing you are talking about I already know about it. Its not the same thing. Everywhere in canada there will be no more carrier lock on any phone starting December amd you can call to unlock for free if u had a phone before that.
A boot lock is not the same tho. I went with LG instead of samsung cuz at the time the note 8 and s8 wasnt out yet...i was always a Samsung guy... Also the g6 looked nice and had a big screen...wht i didnt know tho is that lg has menu buttons on screen that you cannot hide unless u buy an app and they eat away from the screen making it a small screen size after all. Also lg has a bad history of not unlocking bootloaders and i didnt know that...samsung on the other hand, I was able to root on day one! All the samsung notes i had from the first nite to the note 5.
I've been trying to sell my g6 and get a note 8.
But aside from all that...the g6 is a great phone...battery life is crazy on it...it lasts a full week on one charge with heavy use. But lets face it...we are all here because we want to root and customize our phones not just to talk how nice they are haha.
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Hey man
Well Bootloader lock is not the same as carrier lock. The carrier lock thing you are talking about I already know about it. Its not the same thing. Everywhere in canada there will be no more carrier lock on any phone starting December amd you can call to unlock for free if u had a phone before that.
A boot lock is not the same tho. I went with LG instead of samsung cuz at the time the note 8 and s8 wasnt out yet...i was always a Samsung guy... Also the g6 looked nice and had a big screen...wht i didnt know tho is that lg has menu buttons on screen that you cannot hide unless u buy an app and they eat away from the screen making it a small screen size after all. Also lg has a bad history of not unlocking bootloaders and i didnt know that...samsung on the other hand, I was able to root on day one! All the samsung notes i had from the first nite to the note 5.
I've been trying to sell my g6 and get a note 8.
But aside from all that...the g6 is a great phone...battery life is crazy on it...it lasts a full week on one charge with heavy use. But lets face it...we are all here because we want to root and customize our phones not just to talk how nice they are haha.
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Hey man, thanks for your reply and for explaining the difference btw the two Bootlaoder & carrier lock. Appreciate . Thats one other reason why I always had Google signed phone whether developed by Huawei or LG etc.. but with google phones I could as well UNLOCK them instantly.
True about LG G6 menu button on screen but for me that does NOT really bother me to be honest. First thing I did when I got my G6 is install Nova Prime Launcher and make it look like Stock android Oreo period and the rest stays LG style. You see I didn't know much about LG's bad history in regard to unlocking bootloaders
For me, I had and still have an amazing offer DEAL for the Note8 with Videotron but as long as Note can't have that G6 Wide angle option camera, I can pass the Note8 and maybe wait and see what the S9 will bring. Cuz honstly the G6 is a stunning phone just the screen is stellar. Sucks that Videotron ain't getting the V30 this time, they decided to get Pixel phones.
Oh well, lets crossfinger that a working unlock bootloader of G6 or LG will come soon
Best,
Since I like snappin photos, especially in low light conditions and I am pretty dissapointed with how lg treats its european costumers I'll definitely go for a samsung or google phone.
Somebody asked me a question in a PM which is worth discussing. My answer is easy -- LG V30. But my priorities may differ from others, so the answer may be different for you.
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I wanna ask your opinion about something... I really like v30, have been planning buying it but since it's almost 2018 and G7 should be around the corner. What would you say? Get V30 or wait little longer for G7?
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LG V30 or 2018 LG G7?
I would choose the LG V30.
FIRST, it has all the specs (except for front facing stereo speakers) I desire in a phone.
OK, maybe it could have more RAM, maybe an LED notification light, maybe a slightly larger battery (even though this one is getting good reviews). But the LG V30 hits most of the boxes I wanted:
Qi wireless charging (which I have now),
1440p OLED display (which I have now),
at least 64GB internal memory (which I have now),
headset jack (which I have now) +
Snapdragon 835 (which is a next gen gigabit LTE chipset) and
high IP rating (which is requisite now for 2017 top-tier smartphones). Those that don't have that -- cough -- Essential, OnePlus are pretenders.
Even though I have a 2014 Moto XT1225, thanks to the stellar specs it had, it really kept pace with phones through 2015 and 2016. (Snapdragon 805, 3GB RAM, 64GB internal memory, 3900 mAh battery, 1440p AMOLED display, Qi wireless charging, 21MP rear camera, 3.5mm headset jack).
Sure, each year brought iterative CPU updates, but only with the 2017 phones was there a feeling I needed to update. A lot of it was cumulative: stuff like fingerprint sensors, more RAM, and high IP ratings which became common (Motorola, Samsung, LG, Pixel, even iPhone). But suddenly with Snapdragon 835 was there a real "next gen" difference not only in computing speed but also LTE download speeds.
But I didn't want to give up what I already had. Qi wireless charging was my line in the sand. Laugh at that, but it's a real convenience for me and my wife.
Point is, the LG V30 is the first phone that makes me want it as bad as the when I bought three of the 2014 Moto XT1225 phones. (I bought two for me and my wife and later bought a 3rd for emergency backup purposes.)
SECOND, why not the LG G7? Won't it be better than the LG V30?
1) Tell me how it will be better?
Front facing stereo speakers would pique my interest. Yes, more RAM would be nice.
Yes, it will probably have Snapdragon 845, but that's just an iterative update -- much like the Snapdragon 820/821. The Snapdragon 835 was the "next gen" chipset (in manufacturing process, CPU speed and LTE speed). 845 will be a slight improvement, but not earth shattering.
2) But, did you see how LG screwed up the release of the LG G6?
I don't trust them to do any better with the LG G7. They will have a nice phone "on paper" but somehow manage to mess it up.
The real problem with the LG G6 was the STUPID regionalized specs scheme.
Want more than 32GB internal storage? Only some of the Asian variants had that.
Want Quad DAC? Out of luck if you live in Europe or U.S.
Want Qi wireless charging? Better move to the U.S.!
WHY? I want more storage, better audio AND Qi wireless -- but there was no LG G6 with ALL the specs. The U.S. unlocked and European unlocked did also qualify for official bootloader unlock, but those were limited to 32GB models only. And the U.S. was the only LG G6 sold world-wide that had Qi wireless. Yes, they all have microSD card expansion -- but only the Asian models had 64GB internal memory + microSD card and then even fewer Asian models had Quad DAC. NONE of the the "better" LG G6 was on the bootloader unlock list, and NONE had "all" the specs.
LG had a winning phone on paper, but they cut that paper up and shipped it to various parts of the world. You could not tape it all back together to get the FANTASTIC phone that could have competed with the Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+. (Plus, it used "last year's Snapdragon 821.)
Only with the LG G6 Plus (which was NOT bigger, just had more specs) -- released MONTHS later as a follow-up to the LG G6 -- did LG include quad DAC and more storage for ALL countries where it was sold. It was the LG G6 they should have sold in the first place! The mid-year LG G6 Plus (South Korean edition) was the phone LG should have released at the BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
BUT even then, only the South Korea LG G6 Plus also had Qi wireless charging -- but NOT the European LG G6 Plus or Taiwan variant or others. WHY? (Apparently the LG G6 Plus was not released in U.S. markets officially.) And the super-duper South Korea LG G6 Plus was not on the official bootloader unlock list. NONE of the LG G6 Plus are on the bootloader unlock list.
Also by this time (mid year 2017) when the LG G6 Plus was released, there was no excuse not to have Snapdragon 835. The South Korea LG G6 Plus (with Qi wireless charging, quad DAC, 64GB memory) was the phone LG should have released back in the beginning to the ENTIRE WORLD. At that point (early 2017, with the LG G6) they were beating Samsung to market and had to go with last year's Snapdragon 821. Even with "last year's" Snapdragon (which the Pixel XL also has), at the point in time (early 2017) the LG G6 Plus would have been a winner.
Instead they released parts of the phone to various parts of the world as various crippled flavors of LG G6, then later released the LG G6 Plus -- which not only made LG G6 buyers feel STUPID (they should have waited for the BETTER phone)... but then LG then still didn't fix the "last year" Snapdragon issue. Who is going to pay NEW prices for a Snapdragon 821 phone in mid-2017, MONTHS after other phones with Snapdragon 835 is on the market?
The mid-2017 LG G6 Plus should have had Snapdragon 835, and Qi wireless for all countries, as well as bootloader unlock at least for U.S. and Europe (like the LG G6). Maybe LG felt that would step on the release of the LG V30, but so what? It would have made amends for their very idiotic "regionalization" specs scheme for the LG G6 at the beginning of the year. Also, the LG V30 has AMOLED with a bigger display, so they would not have been identical phones.
OK, rant over about the LG G6 -- but LG has said over and over that now with the "V" series, the "G" series is no longer their premier phone. And how they treated the G6 really proved that point. I'm afraid they will do the same with the G7, and you would say, "I should have gotten the LG V30".
I think LG's attitude is wrong. I think they should release TWO top tier flagship phones per year, like Samsung does.
THIRD, bootloader unlock and root.
For the LG G6, LG did not release the "open market" variants (which are eligible for bootloader unlock) until several weeks later, and only placed them on bootloader unlock list in June 2017. June 30, for the LG G6 US997, practically July 1!
Already I'm waiting until DECEMBER for the LG V30 US998, and hoping it will be placed on the bootloader unlock list by the end of the year. But could be even January 2018.
For those who don't care about root and buy from carrier stores, this third point may not matter. You'll have your LG G7 by March 2018. For those who care about specs, you can always order from South Korea -- but you'll pay full price. Unless LG messes up again and waits to release the "super duper" spec "LG G7 Plus" in mid-2018.... even the one from South Korea -- like they did with the LG G6 Plus.
CONCLUSION
So, even though the G7 will have some slight improvements, I'm afraid LG will mess it up with stupid "regionalized" specs scheme again. Even if they don't, still the version that I want (open market) would probably not be available until mid-year.
Maybe they should wait for the V40... or the G8... or the V50... or the G9.....
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Maybe they should wait for the V40... or the G8... or the V50... or the G9.....
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At some point you have to jump into the river and swim.
I used to upgrade every year. 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014. Phones that were obviously better, faster, had more features I wanted. LG phones, Nexus phones, and basically the smaller version of the Moto Nexus 6.
The 2014 Moto XT1225 is the longest period I've owned a phone to use as daily driver.
I even briefly owned a 2015 LG G4 I won in a launch contest, but sold it because I still loved my 2014 Moto XT1225.
I've also worked on family members and friends' newer phones (LG, Samsung), but still liked my phone better.
Only with the 2017 LG V30, I'm about to jump back in again.
Thank you friend
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ChazzMatt said:
Somebody asked me a question in a PM which is worth discussing. My answer is easy -- LG V30. But my priorities may differ from others, so the answer may be different for you.
LG V30 or 2018 LG G7?
I would choose the LG V30.
FIRST, it has all the specs (except for front facing stereo speakers) I desire in a phone.
OK, maybe it could have more RAM, maybe an LED notification light, maybe a slightly larger battery (even though this one is getting good reviews). But the LG V30 hits most of the boxes I wanted:
Qi wireless charging (which I have now),
1440p OLED display (which I have now),
at least 64GB internal memory (which I have now),
headset jack (which I have now) +
Snapdragon 835 (which is a next gen gigabit LTE chipset) and
high IP rating (which is requisite now for 2017 top-tier smartphones). Those that don't have that -- cough -- Essential, OnePlus are pretenders.
Even though I have a 2014 Moto XT1225, thanks to the stellar specs it had, it really kept pace with phones through 2015 and 2016. (Snapdragon 805, 3GB RAM, 64GB internal memory, 3900 mAh battery, 1440p AMOLED display, Qi wireless charging, 21MP rear camera, 3.5mm headset jack).
Sure, each year brought iterative CPU updates, but only with the 2017 phones was there a feeling I needed to update. A lot of it was cumulative: stuff like fingerprint sensors, more RAM, and high IP ratings which became common (Motorola, Samsung, LG, Pixel, even iPhone). But suddenly with Snapdragon 835 was there a real "next gen" difference not only in computing speed but also LTE download speeds.
But I didn't want to give up what I already had. Qi wireless charging was my line in the sand. Laugh at that, but it's a real convenience for me and my wife.
Point is, the LG V30 is the first phone that makes me want it as bad as the when I bought three of the 2014 Moto XT1225 phones. (I bought two for me and my wife and later bought a 3rd for emergency backup purposes.)
SECOND, why not the LG G7? Won't it be better than the LG V30?
1) Tell me how it will be better?
Front facing stereo speakers would pique my interest. Yes, more RAM would be nice.
Yes, it will probably have Snapdragon 845, but that's just an iterative update -- much like the Snapdragon 820/821. The Snapdragon 835 was the "next gen" chipset (in manufacturing process, CPU speed and LTE speed). 845 will be a slight improvement, but not earth shattering.
2) But, did you see how LG screwed up the release of the LG G6?
I don't trust them to do any better with the LG G7. They will have a nice phone "on paper" but somehow manage to mess it up.
The real problem with the LG G6 was the STUPID regionalized specs scheme.
Want more than 32GB internal storage? Only some of the Asian variants had that.
Want Quad DAC? Out of luck if you live in Europe or U.S.
Want Qi wireless charging? Better move to the U.S.!
WHY? I want more storage, better audio AND Qi wireless -- but there was no LG G6 with ALL the specs. The U.S. unlocked and European unlocked did also qualify for official bootloader unlock, but those were limited to 32GB models only. And the U.S. was the only LG G6 sold world-wide that had Qi wireless. Yes, they all have microSD card expansion -- but only the Asian models had 64GB internal memory + microSD card and then even fewer Asian models had Quad DAC. NONE of the the "better" LG G6 was on the bootloader unlock list, and NONE had "all" the specs.
LG had a winning phone on paper, but they cut that paper up and shipped it to various parts of the world. You could not tape it all back together to get the FANTASTIC phone that could have competed with the Samsung Galaxy S8/S8+. (Plus, it used "last year's Snapdragon 821.)
Only with the LG G6 Plus (which was NOT bigger, just had more specs) -- released MONTHS later as a follow-up to the LG G6 -- did LG include quad DAC and more storage for ALL countries where it was sold. It was the LG G6 they should have sold in the first place! The mid-year LG G6 Plus (South Korean edition) was the phone LG should have released at the BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
BUT even then, only the South Korea LG G6 Plus also had Qi wireless charging -- but NOT the European LG G6 Plus or Taiwan variant or others. WHY? (Apparently the LG G6 Plus was not released in U.S. markets officially.) And the super-duper South Korea LG G6 Plus was not on the official bootloader unlock list. NONE of the LG G6 Plus are on the bootloader unlock list.
Also by this time (mid year 2017) when the LG G6 Plus was released, there was no excuse not to have Snapdragon 835. The South Korea LG G6 Plus (with Qi wireless charging, quad DAC, 64GB memory) was the phone LG should have released back in the beginning to the ENTIRE WORLD. At that point (early 2017, with the LG G6) they were beating Samsung to market and had to go with last year's Snapdragon 821. Even with "last year's" Snapdragon (which the Pixel XL also has), at the point in time (early 2017) the LG G6 Plus would have been a winner.
Instead they released parts of the phone to various parts of the world as various crippled flavors of LG G6, then later released the LG G6 Plus -- which not only made LG G6 buyers feel STUPID (they should have waited for the BETTER phone)... but then LG then still didn't fix the "last year" Snapdragon issue. Who is going to pay NEW prices for a Snapdragon 821 phone in mid-2017, MONTHS after other phones with Snapdragon 835 is on the market?
The mid-2017 LG G6 Plus should have had Snapdragon 835, and Qi wireless for all countries, as well as bootloader unlock at least for U.S. and Europe (like the LG G6). Maybe LG felt that would step on the release of the LG V30, but so what? It would have made amends for their very idiotic "regionalization" specs scheme for the LG G6 at the beginning of the year. Also, the LG V30 has AMOLED with a bigger display, so they would not have been identical phones.
OK, rant over about the LG G6 -- but LG has said over and over that now with the "V" series, the "G" series is no longer their premier phone. And how they treated the G6 really proved that point. I'm afraid they will do the same with the G7, and you would say, "I should have gotten the LG V30".
I think LG's attitude is wrong. I think they should release TWO top tier flagship phones per year, like Samsung does.
THIRD, bootloader unlock and root.
For the LG G6, LG did not release the "open market" variants (which are eligible for bootloader unlock) until several weeks later, and only placed them on bootloader unlock list in June 2017. June 30, for the LG G6 US997, practically July 1!
Already I'm waiting until DECEMBER for the US998, and hoping it will be placed on the bootloader unlock list by the end of the year. But could be even January 2018.
So, even though the G7 will have some slight improvements, I'm afraid LG will mess it up. Even if they don't, still the version that I want (open market) would probably not be available until mid-year.
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No offense but, your write up seems like an awful lot of work to explain the common sense situation with every consumer decision everyone makes on...anything, ever. You could buy a phone....or wait because the next model could be better. You could buy a toaster...or wait because the next model could be better. That is literally the point..."things" we spend money on need to show they're "worthy" of our dollars so they have to come with slight "improvements" to wow us.....
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No offense but, your write up seems like an awful lot of work to explain the common sense situation with every consumer decision everyone makes on...anything, ever. You could buy a phone....or wait because the next model could be better. You could buy a toaster...or wait because the next model could be better. That is literally the point..."things" we spend money on need to show their "worthy" of our dollars so they have to come with slight "improvements" to wow us.....
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But with LG it's a little different. They treat the G series differently from the V, and that's been a recent development. The G series (Optimus G aka G1, G2, G3, G4) were the premier phone from LG. Some people still don't realize that LG executives have publicly stated over and over the V series is now the premier phone and the G series is for people who don't care about specs.
Just like since people don't realize T-Mobile is no longer dev-friendly!
The LG G7 will be announced in January, supposedly released in February. This is now mid-November. So, it's a real question, do I wait 2 or 3 months to buy the "newer" LG phone or buy now? Based on how LG thinks of the "G" series, I think buy now. Because the "newer" phone coming out is not LG's premier 2018 phone -- that will be the LG V40. They'll find SOME WAY to make sure the G7 is not "too good".
Even Samsung treats their Galaxy S/S+ more equally to Note series than LG does with G and V series. I know some people have disagreed with this opinion, but Samsung basically releases TWO premier phones per year -- S/S+ in early year, and then Note at end of year. There's enough industry movement in specs throughout the year (RAM, cameras, maybe newer CPUs) to justify that. What is the "norm" at the beginning of the year looks old by end of the year.
I will be very surprised if the G7 is substantially better than the LG V30. It won't have a 7th gen OLED display, they barely got the 6th gen up and running. It might have 6GB RAM, but I would bet they will regionalize that and give that to South Korea and no one else. It probably won't have front facing stereo speakers. IF they do what they did with the LG G6, some regions may have quad DAC, but others won't.
Maybe 128GB internal memory? That would be nice, but will ALL countries get that?
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That's pretty much what I was insinuating.
you could still wait an buy the v30 in February probably much cheaper, if the g7 is not what you wanted. and i guess they still mess up the release next time. so g7 in May/June...!?
Don't know what the point of this topic really is. OP does not own a V30 and nobody knows jack about the G7. Total personal if you want to spend budget now or wait till price drops or if the new phone will be better...
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Don't know what the point of this topic really is. OP does not own a V30 and nobody knows jack about the G7. Total personal if you want to spend budget now or wait till price drops or if the new phone will be better...
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The point is "Will the G7 be better than the V30"?
I know all about the V30, but I'm waiting for the dev version. (Besides extensive research, I have fondled several in stores.) I actually know about a lot of LG phones -- from either owning them or working on them (rooting, setting them up, maintaining) for friends.
And I know -- even if you don't seem to? -- LG's stated philosophy on the G series starting with the 2015 G4 is: "Don't make it 'too good'.
You don't have to know the specs of the LG G7. Last year the specs "on paper" of the G6 were great, but you couldn't buy an LG G6 with ALL the stated specs. LG regionalized the specs, so no one got a great phone.
So, the choice between the two phones is easy. The answer is easy.
How long you want to wait to buy the LG V30, for price drops, is personal choice.
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The point is will the G7 be better than the V30?
I know all about the V30, but I'm waiting for the dev version. And I know -- even if you don't seem to? -- LG's stated philosophy on the G series. "Don't make it 'too good'.
You don't have to know the specs of the LG G7. Last year the specs "on paper" of the G6 were great, but you couldn't buy an LG G6 with ALL the stated specs. LG regionalized the specs, so no one got a great phone.
So, the choice between the two phones is easy.
How long you want to wait to buy the LG V30, for price drops, is personal choice.
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I do know the philosophy (don't make it personal as always, and yes I have stated you don't own a V30 yet, but that is a fact you mentioned yourself). But philosophy as well as strategy can be easily changed especially when you are fighting/competing and not being the best on a lot of subjects. I think by now they will be realizing that "Don't make it too good" is a stupid strategy and need to reevaluate G7 philosophy.
I think they are already making that strategy too much appearant on roll out plan over the world. Europe lot of countries still no V30
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I do know the philosophy (don't make it personal as always, and yes I have stated you don't own a V30 yet, but that is a fact you mentioned yourself). But philosophy as well as strategy can be easily changed especially when you are fighting/competing and not being the best on a lot of subjects. I think by now they will be realizing that "Don't make it too good" is a stupid strategy and need to reevaluate G7 philosophy.
I think they are already making that strategy too much appearant on roll out plan over the world. Europe lot of countries still no V30
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Not making it personal, but I explained in detail LG's G series philosophy. Stated publicly by LG themselves many times over the past couple of years, in a more polite way of course.
This article below alludes to it, but I read others where the reporter said "off the record" execs were very plain spoken.
https://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g6-shows-lgs-commitment-v-line
Therefore it seemed you still didn't seem to know it... per proof in your post saying no one knew the specs of the G7. My point clearly is we don't need to know the specs.
And yes, that philosophy NEEDS to change. Samsung doesn't do that with their Galaxy S/S+ models vs Note, and neither should LG with G vs V.
The G7 will be announced in Feb and go on sale in June.
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The G7 will be announced in Feb and go on sale in June.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't go rushing them in to a release date. They may need until August.
It won't be ready for prime time either. They will ship reviewers a 6 month old pre-production model and the first run will be buggy. By october you might see it at it's full potential.
They announced that g7 will be announced in March / May, lg is going back to drawing board for g7, don't know what happened but things don't look good
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They announced that g7 will be announced in March / May, lg is going back to drawing board for g7, don't know what happened but things don't look good
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What "happened" was last year's G6: Regionalized specs, extremely slow rollout is what happened -- coupled with "last year's" Snapdragon. They went with 821 to BEAT Samsung to market, and they didn't beat them to market because of slow rollout.
Other companies like HTC, Motorola were able to sell phones with 835 even after S8/S8+ was released.
So, LG is re-examining all their flawed business practices for the G series, including even the name.
They also need to preemptively place the open market flagship phones on their bootloader unlock list.
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They announced that g7 will be announced in March / May, lg is going back to drawing board for g7, don't know what happened but things don't look good
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The LG G7 is cancelled and will be replaced by some diffrent kind of line/model.
Source: https://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g7-video (watch the video)
If G7 was to follow the last year G6 model (release it fast but with "last years" SoC ) it make sense. LG is usually slow to release after announcing a phone and by the time the phone is out there are already rivals out with the newest SoC. The V30 already looks like 2017 flagship for LG ( what G7 should have been) repeating this business model does not make sense. I suppose we are still going to see one flagship from LG every year, but only one so no more G and V models) and the cycle will change probably released and hopefully available in summer. This is probably what the message says, competing with Samsung for an early release with no SoCs available does not make sense. the G7 was a mess, released in multiple variants with missing features and released with previous year's SoC . By the time they release the 128 GB version V30 was already announced which is a much better phone.
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. the G6 was a mess, released in multiple variants with missing features and released with previous year's SoC . By the time they release the 128 GB version V30 was already announced which is a much better phone.
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Right. And that G6+ model released in July, still had Snapdragon 821.
Samsung manages to release two flagships per year. LG can do it too. But Samsung differentiates the Galaxy S/S+ series from the Note series while not demoting S/S+. Past couple of years, especially with the G6 it was as if LG didn't want to make it TOO GOOD. "Can't give everyone quad DAC or extra storage or Qi wireless charging. That would make it better than our V20." WHO CARES? Put the best phone out there you can.
Yes, the V30 is what the G6 SHOULD have been.
Now go out there and give us an even better one for whatever the G7 replacement is going to be. Make it better than the V30. I dare you.
Give it better selfie camera, slightly bigger battery, more RAM, stereo speakers. Give it dual cameras with one that can also do portrait mode via software.
Make the 2018 V40 team break out into a sweat. "How are we going to top that?"
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i had HD calls and volte in my Galaxy S9+ but i dont think it works on M20P
is it supported and if it is how do i enable it?
According to PDADB, the phone CAN do this...for both CN and Global versions 128/256:
http://phonedb.net/index.php?m=devi..._128gb_lya-lx9__lya-l29__lya-l0c__huawei_laya
I believe Huawei firmware HIDES the toggle of voLTE by default...but should work automatically when your device is connected over 4G LTE. My limited understanding is - by default it's already enabled, as its dependent on your location and carrier, too.
So, if you think it requires activating, which i don't think is the case, here's what P10 users did:
https://www.solvemix.com/index.php/android-smartphones/1778-huawei-p10-volte-making-calls-solved
If for whatever reason you think it's NOT activated or not working and want to visually SEE the toggle (and enable if disabled) then the following process requires ROOT access which you current'y don't have on your phone, unless you have a chinese ROM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUfmiDBPczw&t=6s
There, you can use an app like ES File Explorer and add a line of code in the BUILD.PROP file...It worked perfectly fine on my P10+ and my "VoLTE Calls" setting now shows and was automatically switched to ON.
Google and YouTube are your friends dude.
RoOSTA
VoLTE is activated by default on Mate 20 Pro, at least on the French ROM.
Can anyone on Optus in Australia confirm if VoLTE works via a non-Optus purchased Mate 20 Pro?
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Follow here for more info.
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If this response was in relation to my Optus question, thank you, but I'm not sure how that topic that refers to T-Mobile US relates Optus AU.... I have actually been following that thread and in my opinion M20Pro VoLTE won't work in US due to the carriers not supporting Mate 20 Pro full stop.
VoLTE is still not a defined standard hence carriers must enable specific devices for VoLTE and a device often must have carrier specific firmware on the phone for it to work. I assume VoLTE does work with Optus since they are offering the phone but hoping for confirmation.
To be more specific, I'm looking to purchase a Mate 20 Pro soon. I'd rather buy from JB Hi-Fi for the (hopefully) speedier firmware updates direct from Huawei but if VoLTE is confirmed working with Optus, and the only way to get VoLTE working is via purchasing the phone from Optus, then I would do that.
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If this response was in relation to my Optus question, thank you, but I'm not sure how that topic that refers to T-Mobile US relates Optus AU.... I have actually been following that thread and in my opinion M20Pro VoLTE won't work in US due to the carriers not supporting Mate 20 Pro full stop.
VoLTE is still not a defined standard hence carriers must enable specific devices for VoLTE and a device often must have carrier specific firmware on the phone for it to work. I assume VoLTE does work with Optus since they are offering the phone but hoping for confirmation.
To be more specific, I'm looking to purchase a Mate 20 Pro soon. I'd rather buy from JB Hi-Fi for the (hopefully) speedier firmware updates direct from Huawei but if VoLTE is confirmed working with Optus, and the only way to get VoLTE working is via purchasing the phone from Optus, then I would do that.
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Hi ero,
This is just in response to some of the general questions in this thread.
What is Optus anyway?
Oh ok it's an Australian phone retailer.
Yeah that would be awesome if you could do that. Good luck man!!
Unless the Dual SIM has T-Mobile VoLTE, I'm screwed if I want the Mate 20 Pro though! lol Just sux. Part of me wants to say F it and just get it anyway, but not having access to like Band 12 sux. My area (Chicagoland) is about to get Band 71 as well from T-Mobile, and of course these phones don't have that either. FML! lol
roosta said:
According to PDADB, the phone CAN do this...for both CN and Global versions 128/256:
http://phonedb.net/index.php?m=devi..._128gb_lya-lx9__lya-l29__lya-l0c__huawei_laya
I believe Huawei firmware HIDES the toggle of voLTE by default...but should work automatically when your device is connected over 4G LTE. My limited understanding is - by default it's already enabled, as its dependent on your location and carrier, too.
So, if you think it requires activating, which i don't think is the case, here's what P10 users did:
https://www.solvemix.com/index.php/android-smartphones/1778-huawei-p10-volte-making-calls-solved
If for whatever reason you think it's NOT activated or not working and want to visually SEE the toggle (and enable if disabled) then the following process requires ROOT access which you current'y don't have on your phone, unless you have a chinese ROM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUfmiDBPczw&t=6s
There, you can use an app like ES File Explorer and add a line of code in the BUILD.PROP file...It worked perfectly fine on my P10+ and my "VoLTE Calls" setting now shows and was automatically switched to ON.
Google and YouTube are your friends dude.
RoOSTA
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I got this on..
But im not sure its the same the hd calls on S9+ sounded amazing
I really want to know how to enable it for Optus
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Hi ero,
This is just in response to some of the general questions in this thread.
What is Optus anyway?
Oh ok it's an Australian phone retailer.
Yeah that would be awesome if you could do that. Good luck man!!
Unless the Dual SIM has T-Mobile VoLTE, I'm screwed if I want the Mate 20 Pro though! lol Just sux. Part of me wants to say F it and just get it anyway, but not having access to like Band 12 sux. My area (Chicagoland) is about to get Band 71 as well from T-Mobile, and of course these phones don't have that either. FML! lol
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I'm in Chicago on T-Mobile (via MintSim) and Volte is not currently working on my Mate 20 Pro. But I also have a P20 Pro (which like the Mate 20 Pro isn't sold or supported in the USA) and Volte works fine on that phone with the same sim card. I had a similar issue with the Mix 2 (Volte) and Mix 2S (no Volte) but on Xiaomi phones there is a way to force enable Volte by entering a dial code. There doesn't appear to be anything similar with Huawei, unfortunately.
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I'm in Chicago on T-Mobile (via MintSim) and Volte is not currently working on my Mate 20 Pro. But I also have a P20 Pro (which like the Mate 20 Pro isn't sold or supported in the USA) and Volte works fine on that phone with the same sim card. I had a similar issue with the Mix 2 (Volte) and Mix 2S (no Volte) but on Xiaomi phones there is a way to force enable Volte by entering a dial code. There doesn't appear to be anything similar with Huawei, unfortunately.
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my 10 pro has it but my 20 pro doesnt. Same tmo usa here. im going back tothe 10 pro as the 20 pro is going back to clove.
jhs39 said:
I'm in Chicago on T-Mobile (via MintSim) and Volte is not currently working on my Mate 20 Pro. But I also have a P20 Pro (which like the Mate 20 Pro isn't sold or supported in the USA) and Volte works fine on that phone with the same sim card. I had a similar issue with the Mix 2 (Volte) and Mix 2S (no Volte) but on Xiaomi phones there is a way to force enable Volte by entering a dial code. There doesn't appear to be anything similar with Huawei, unfortunately.
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Man, how many subsidiaries does T-Mobile have now?? lol They just bought Metro PCS too (now it will be called T-Mobile "Metro").
Yeah I just verified in the T-Mobile forum that the L29 Dual SIM ALSO DOESN'T have VoLTE either on T-Mobile. F'ing sux!!
Yeah I had verified last week that the P20 Pro has it on T-Mobile, but at this point I'd prefer to have the newer model, or just wait until the P30 Pro comes out next spring. Hopefully THAT has VoLTE AND Band 71 too!!!
I'm so tired of having to always check on this for unlocked phones. It just ends up limiting my options, which I really DON'T appreciate, at all.
Really? Wow. I WISH Sony and Huawei had that force enable code for VoLTE too. That would be awesome! I've noticed (and confirmed) that all 2018 locked phones from T-Mobile still have VoLTE, but it's been removed from the settings and "baked" in, so you can't turn it off. Of course you can still make a call and verify you have it as the call of course stays in 4G LTE the entire time. But yeah.........that's the story with the S9+ which my cousin has, the OnePlus 6T which I just bought from them. I was about to complain to T-Mobile lol but then I saw something on their site that explained all that.
I just really resent that I have to choose between the #1 camera phone and if I want great reception or not on my phone. It shouldn't be that way. Not fair at all. And I know it's all b/c our government thinks they and ZTE are spying on us. But I simply haven't seen enough proof to verify any of that.
No VoLTE support from Telstra in Australia either. I had it enabled on on my Pixel XL (stock unbranded firmware), which is the same sim card that is now in my Mate 20 Pro, but yeah no dice! Telstra has a list of mobiles that they currently support but it's only phones that they currently sell.
Apple iPhone 6 onwards, Apple Watch 3 onwards
Samsung Galaxy devices, S7 onwards, Note 5 onwards, A5 onwards
Google Pixel devices
LG devices G5 onwards
Telstra Signature Premium & Enhanced devices
Sony devices Xperia Z5 onwards
So I really have my doubts whether they will ever support Huawei phones. Which is really annoying because I was just starting to really love RCS messaging on my Pixel.
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Man, how many subsidiaries does T-Mobile have now?? lol They just bought Metro PCS too (now it will be called T-Mobile "Metro").
Yeah I just verified in the T-Mobile forum that the L29 Dual SIM ALSO DOESN'T have VoLTE either on T-Mobile. F'ing sux!!
Yeah I had verified last week that the P20 Pro has it on T-Mobile, but at this point I'd prefer to have the newer model, or just wait until the P30 Pro comes out next spring. Hopefully THAT has VoLTE AND Band 71 too!!!
I'm so tired of having to always check on this for unlocked phones. It just ends up limiting my options, which I really DON'T appreciate, at all.
Really? Wow. I WISH Sony and Huawei had that force enable code for VoLTE too. That would be awesome! I've noticed (and confirmed) that all 2018 locked phones from T-Mobile still have VoLTE, but it's been removed from the settings and "baked" in, so you can't turn it off. Of course you can still make a call and verify you have it as the call of course stays in 4G LTE the entire time. But yeah.........that's the story with the S9+ which my cousin has, the OnePlus 6T which I just bought from them. I was about to complain to T-Mobile lol but then I saw something on their site that explained all that.
I just really resent that I have to choose between the #1 camera phone and if I want great reception or not on my phone. It shouldn't be that way. Not fair at all. And I know it's all b/c our government thinks they and ZTE are spying on us. But I simply haven't seen enough proof to verify any of that.
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TMobile doesn't own MintSim. MintSim is a budget MVNO that pays for use of the TMobile network. I don't really think TMobile is blocking access to Volte for the Mate 20 Pro for political reasons either or they would have done the same thing to the P20 Pro. The fake controversy involving our president and Huawei happened before the Mate 10 came out and there's no question that it was politically motivated nonsense or Canada, the United Kingdom and all of Europe wouldn't allow Huawei phones to be sold by any carrier in the country who wants to offer them.
OnePlus and Blue are the only Chinese phone brands that have ever been caught putting spyware on phones sold in the United States. One Plus has been caught multiple times. Do you see any action being taken against either brand by the White House?
Volte compatibility with TMobile could be fixed in a software update from Huawei but since they are no longer selling their phones here I wouldn't count on it.
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TMobile doesn't own MintSim. MintSim is a budget MVNO that pays for use of the TMobile network. I don't really think TMobile is blocking access to Volte for the Mate 20 Pro for political reasons either or they would have done the same thing to the P20 Pro. The fake controversy involving our president and Huawei happened before the Mate 10 came out and there's no question that it was politically motivated nonsense or Canada, the United Kingdom and all of Europe wouldn't allow Huawei phones to be sold by any carrier in the country who wants to offer them.
OnePlus and Blue are the only Chinese phone brands that have ever been caught putting spyware on phones sold in the United States. One Plus has been caught multiple times. Do you see any action being taken against either brand by the White House?
Volte compatibility with TMobile could be fixed in a software update from Huawei but since they are no longer selling their phones here I wouldn't count on it.
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Oh ok. Yeah I don't know what the real story is. Maybe Huawei got the P20 Pro certified but decided not to do it for the Mate 20 Pro cuz it lost confidence in it selling well in the U.S.?
No I haven't seen any action. Only Huawei & ZTE have been named. And then I read that ZTE paid Trump $500 million as an investment in some new hotel resort he's opening up IN CHINA and then suddenly after that he decided they were no longer a threat. lol F'ing politics!!
Yeah I don't think the Mate 20 Pro will EVER get that update. lol So for now I'll happily keep my T-Mo OnePlus 6T with modded GCam app (aka same software used on the Pixel phones) and see what Huawei (and Sony) do in 2019.
This comparison vid is interesting.
To me, it seems that the Pixel 3 is better for daytime shots and tends to be seemingly more color accurate as well, while the Mate 20 Pro wins out for night shots. But Pixel 3 has a ****ty battery and I'm not big on its looks, and the Mate 20 Pro.............no VoLTE no access to Band 12 during calls, and also no Band 71. Such BS!!
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Oh ok. Yeah I don't know what the real story is. Maybe Huawei got the P20 Pro certified but decided not to do it for the Mate 20 Pro cuz it lost confidence in it selling well in the U.S.?
No I haven't seen any action. Only Huawei & ZTE have been named. And then I read that ZTE paid Trump $500 million as an investment in some new hotel resort he's opening up IN CHINA and then suddenly after that he decided they were no longer a threat. lol F'ing politics!!
Yeah I don't think the Mate 20 Pro will EVER get that update. lol So for now I'll happily keep my T-Mo OnePlus 6T with modded GCam app (aka same software used on the Pixel phones) and see what Huawei (and Sony) do in 2019.
This comparison vid is interesting.
To me, it seems that the Pixel 3 is better for daytime shots and tends to be seemingly more color accurate as well, while the Mate 20 Pro wins out for night shots. But Pixel 3 has a ****ty battery and I'm not big on its looks, and the Mate 20 Pro.............no VoLTE no access to Band 12 during calls, and also no Band 71. Such BS!!
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Pixel phones have terrible build quality and lots of problems you mostly don't find out about unless you go to the official Google Pixel Support Site. They cost twice what they should at launch. I would steer clear of Pixel Phones or at least go to the official Google site and read owner comments. Owners are frequently shocked by the poor quality and many serious issues since they read nothing but fantastic things in places like XDA and Android Authority.
I learned this the hard way personally after having been a huge Nexus fan but the Pixel Phones feel much less premium than the Nexus phones in terms of build quality and design and list for twice as much.
The Pixel XL ran so hot Google support strongly suggested using it without a case and the phones suffered in very large numbers from permanent hardware failure dubbed the black screen of death which was comparable to the bootloop of death on the Nexus 5X and Nexus 6P.
XDA, Android Authority and Android Police have never written a single word about those problems.
The Pixel 2 had a problem from launch where taking pictures would crash the phone, requiring a reboot. XDA, Android Authority and Android Police didn't write about the problem until 8 months after launch--when Google officially acknowledged the issue and released a software fix.
The oleophobic screen coating on the Pixel 2XL display (which is what prevents oil smudges and difficult to clean fingerprints on smartphone displays) started to wear off after less than 6 months of use. I have never owned any phone where that ever happened and the Pixel 2XL is supposedly a $1000 premium phone.
Those are only a few examples.
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Pixel phones have terrible build quality and lots of problems you mostly don't find out about unless you go to the official Google Pixel Support Site. They cost twice what they should at launch. I would steer clear of Pixel Phones or at least go to the official Google site and read owner comments. Owners are frequently shocked by the poor quality and many serious issues since they read nothing but fantastic things in places like XDA and Android Authority.
I learned this the hard way personally after having been a huge Nexus fan but the Pixel Phones feel much less premium than the Nexus phones in terms of build quality and design and list for twice as much.
The Pixel XL ran so hot Google support strongly suggested using it without a case and the phones suffered in very large numbers from permanent hardware failure dubbed the black screen of death which was comparable to the bootloop of death on the Nexus 5X and Nexus 6P.
XDA, Android Authority and Android Police have never written a single word about those problems.
The Pixel 2 had a problem from launch where taking pictures would crash the phone, requiring a reboot. XDA, Android Authority and Android Police didn't write about the problem until 8 months after launch--when Google officially acknowledged the issue and released a software fix.
The oleophobic screen coating on the Pixel 2XL display (which is what prevents oil smudges and difficult to clean fingerprints on smartphone displays) started to wear off after less than 6 months of use. I have never owned any phone where that ever happened and the Pixel 2XL is supposedly a $1000 premium phone.
Those are only a few examples.
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Yeah I won't buy Pixel ever I think. I have a friend who bought the 3 XL and returned it b/c he said battery life was awful. GSM Arena confirmed this on at least the 3 (69 hours, ouch!).
I've heard some bad things about the Pixels, but WOW! You have really opened my eyes here jhs! Thank you for sharing this information.
I will just continue to use my new T-Mo 6T with GCam mod. I'm very happy with the phone overall! Next year I will very likely (though not def) upgrade to either the Huawei P30 Pro, or else any of the following are possible: Sony Xperia XZ4 Premium, Samsung S10+, maybe iPhone too, or else OnePlus 7. We shall see. Right now I'm siding towards the P30 Pro.
I WOULD'VE prob bought the Mate 20 Pro if it had T-Mo VoLTE (it doesn't, unlike older P20 Pro) and preferably also Band 71, which T-Mobile is about to deploy all over Chicagoland (where I live) by year's end.
So what is everyone looking at to replace the v30 for 5g and beyond. Thx...
Maybe LG V60?
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Maybe LG V60?
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Except LG V60 (allegedly flagship phone!) only has 1080p vs the QHD 1440p all LG flagship phones have had for years. I've had 1440p since 2014 Moto Quark and I'm NOT downgrading.
They did that for the stupid dual display gimmick, so resolution would match on both screens. Give me ONE good screen. I don't want two.
I use the HDMI out & MiraCast (not ChromeCast) on my V30 frequently. So I'd be looking for phones that could do both of those.
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Except LG V60 (allegedly flagship phone!) only has 1080p vs the QHD 1440p all LG flagship phones have had for years. I've had 1440p since 2014 Moto Quark and I'm NOT downgrading.
They did that for the stupid dual display gimmick, so resolution would match on both screens. Give me ONE good screen. I don't want two.
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I see the 60Hz being a bigger fail. I got a Realme X2 Pro after my LG V30 and I'd take 1080p 90Hz over a 1440p 60Hz any day. Not to mention that this panel looks better than what my LG looked like with a grainy display (that honestly didn't bother me at all at the time, but this one looks much clearer).
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Well that too. In 2020 for flagship phone you need 1440p and more than 60Hz. Even the OnePlus Pro (which has so much stuff removed -- like headset jack, no microSD card) has 1440p and more than 60Hz.
I make fun of OnePlus for their misleading lies but in this one case they are giving better display than LG.
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So what is everyone looking at to replace the v30 for 5g and beyond. Thx...
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It depends on what aspects of LG V30 you liked and stuff that you didn't like.
For example if you liked wired audio, your choices are very limited.
Anyone hear about motorola one fusion plus?
Well, I'm a Verizon customer. The two I have been looking at on their website are the one plus 8 (they don't offer the pro) and the LG v60. Pluses and cons for both. The LG is about $50 more, so in the end, that might be the deciding factor. But, I'm not looking too seriously right now. It will still probably be awhile before I get a new one.
These are the two "flag ship" phones I have been looking at. Not really looking at the Motorola razor or the Samsung ones as they are both quite a bit more costly.
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Well, I'm a Verizon customer. The two I have been looking at on their website are the one plus 8 (they don't offer the pro) and the LG v60. Pluses and cons for both. The LG is about $50 more, so in the end, that might be the deciding factor. But, I'm not looking too seriously right now. It will still probably be awhile before I get a new one.
These are the two "flag ship" phones I have been looking at. Not really looking at the Motorola razor or the Samsung ones as they are both quite a bit more costly.
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If you wait until next year -- after December 31, 2020 -- Verizon will drop CDMA and be LTE only. At that point, it might not matter so much if it's a "Verizon" phone or just a carrier unlocked phone.
For instance, the 2020 VERIZON Galaxy Galaxy S20 doesn't have a microSD card while all other variants (including Samsung's official carrier unlocked) does have microSD card. Why doesn't Verizon's? Allegedly because Verizon's 5G antennas are too bulky -- so they had to save space somewhere. But you STILL need a special case for the Verizon Galaxy S20, as it's not the same size as other carrier S20, even without microSD slot! Verizon also dropped RAM from 12GB to 8GB Did AT&T drop the microSD card and reduce RAM? They use the exact same flavor 5G as Verizon... Or is it because (for now) Verizon has CDMA, LTE, and G5 antennas? Well, next year they won't.
What’s likely happening here is that Samsung needed to figure out a way to bring mmWave support to the Verizon Galaxy S20 without increasing manufacturing costs too much. For whatever reason, it decided dropping the RAM amount by 4GB and ditching the microSD card slot.
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Also don't be swayed by 5G claims. "mmWave" with higher frequencies -- the variant Verizon and AT&T are building out -- is aptly named. It basically can't even pass through a mm of glass window. T-mobile is building out lower frequency 5G which travels for longer distances but is like 200mbps instead of 500mbps. Still fast enough!
Point is, I don't care about 5G since it is going to drain battery life.
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For instance, the 2020 VERIZON Galaxy Galaxy S20 doesn't have a microSD card while all other variants (including Samsung's official carrier unlocked) does have microSD card. Why doesn't Verizon's? Allegedly because Verizon's G5 antennas are too bulky -- so they had to save space somewhere. But you STILL need a special case for the Verizon Galaxy S20, as it's not the same size as other carrier S20, even without microSD slot! Verizon also dropped RAM from 12GB to 8GB Did AT&T drop the microSD card and reduce RAM? They use the exact same flavor G5 as Verizon... Or is it because (for now) Verizon has CDMA, LTE, and G5 antennas? Well, next year they won't.
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Verizon has a long storied history of procuring nerfed versions of smartphones, unfortunately. It's one of the many reasons I walked away from them. Great signal; horrible everything else.
Caffination said:
Verizon has a long storied history of procuring nerfed versions of smartphones, unfortunately. It's one of the many reasons I walked away from them. Great signal; horrible everything else.
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Ditto. And they're also well known for lying and saying a phone won't work or isn't allowed on their network, even though you can take an activated SIM and drop it in with no problem (eg, my V30 H931 (originally) which runs fine with VS996 installed).
This is why I switched to Total Wireless. They don't play the dumb IMEI game that VZ does, you save money, and you still get VZ towers.
Caffination said:
Verizon has a long storied history of procuring nerfed versions of smartphones, unfortunately. It's one of the many reasons I walked away from them. Great signal; horrible everything else.
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Yes, long storied history. Here's my Verizon story which covers 2014 - 2016 involving lying and nerfing...
1) Verizon lied about the 2014 Droid Turbo being global exclusive. It wasn't even exclusive device to Verizon in the U.S. and I proved it to the dismay of XDA Verizon fanbois.
2) In 2016, Verizon delayed giving Marshmallow update for six months while all other worldwide versions had that update, because 2014 Droid Turbo with Marshmallow was equal or better to all their other 2016 NEW phones Verizon were trying to sell. So, they nerfed the Droid Turbo until after the 2016 Q3/Q4 back-to-school and holiday sales had finished.
Here's the full story:
MOTO QUARK
I bought three of the 2014 Moto "Quark", which was the best phone of 2014, the smaller sibling of the Moto Nexus 6. Both designed by Google when they owned Motorola -- with almost identical specs except for size. Remember these were awesome specs in 2014: 3GB RAM, 5.2" 1440p OLED, Qi wireless charging, 21MP camera, 3900 mAh battery (Quark). Yes, Quark had 5.2" display, but back then phones were smaller and until that year, the Nexus model number had NOTHING to do with screen size. It was merely the generation number. 2011 Nexus 3 (4.65"), 2012 Nexus 4 (4.75") 2013 and Nexus 5 (4.95") were all almost 5". The 4.95" Nexus 5 (2013) was merely the 5TH Nexus -- had nothing to do with screen size. But for some reason, Google decided the 2014 Nexus 6 should be 6" because their Nexus 7 tablet was 7"...
Until August 2014, Google was testing TWO different versions for the 2014 Nexus -- the 5.2" and the 6". They ended up going with the 6" and the 5.2" was re-purposed to be the Moto Quark. Ironically, the smaller Moto Quark had a larger battery (3900 mAh) than the larger Moto Nexus 6.
But about that time, Google was selling Motorola to Lenovo. So, to blunt the the competition from a FANTASTIC phone to compete with Moto Nexus 6, Google/Lenovo decided to sell the Moto Quark under different model names in different regions, different carriers. Stupidity, personified. "Quark" is the series code name, like "Joan" is for the V30. We all started calling it that because it was the SAME phone series, just like for V30, a US998 is same phone as EU H930. Just different firmware and (maybe) bands.
DROID TURBO/MOTO TURBO/MOTO MAXX
However, not only were they all the same series (like our V30 US998 and H930), but TWO of Quark models were exact clones of each other. Even same FCC ID.
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Verizon's version was called Droid Turbo (XT1254). And it was identical in every way -- including same FCC number to the Moto Maxx (XT1250) sold by other U.S. (regional) carriers. Well identical in every way, except the Moto Maxx had Motorola sanctioned bootloader unlock, while the Verizon Droid Turbo did not. The Moto Maxx XT1250 even ran on Verizon with Verizon SIM card, because guess why? It had the exact same FCC number, and thus had identical bands, etc. To Verizon's network, it was indeed a "Droid Turbo". (I predicted this was possible, then users proved it.)
In Romeo and Juliet, Shakespeare said, "That which we call a rose / By any other name would smell as sweet."
So, the Moto Maxx XT1250 was basically the "Dev" version of the the Droid Turbo XT1254. Buy it, unlock bootloader, install TWRP, put in Verizon SIM card. You could even flash Verizon firmware if you wished. Much like our V30 US998 to VS996 Frankenstein. But remember this was back in 2014... Cross flashing Verizon FIRMWARE over XT1250 worked because it was ALREADY the same phone.
There was a 3rd Moto Quark (or 2nd if you count the XT1254/XT1250 clones as the same phone), called the XT1225. In India, this variant was sold as the "Moto Turbo (XT1225)." In Latin America, it was sold as Moto Maxx (XT1225). Yes, it had different bands from the Droid Turbo XT1254/Moto Maxx XT1250, but in a good way for me. It had no CDMA, but had extra LTE and HSPA bands, and had ALL the AT&T bands, including the new (at the time) LTE band 5. However, you could not buy this one in the U.S.
So, I bought three -- importing them from Puerto Rico and Mexico. Bootloader unlocked, rooted, ran CM 12.1 and LOS Revolution Remix ROMs. (No you couldn't cross flash XT1225 firwmare over XT1254/XT1250 or vice versa.)
XDA DRAMA
With these specs in 2014 (3GB RAM, 5.2" 1440p OLED, Qi wireless charging, 21MP camera, 3900 mAh battery) and the too huge size at the time of the Moto Nexus 6, I decided the Moto Quark was my best bet to upgrade from the 4.95" 1080p LG Nexus 5 with too-small battery.
With me, so far? OK.
Back then, XDA tended to segregate all models according to carriers. The T-mobile Galaxy Widget would be separate from the Sprint Galaxy Widget, which would be separate from the AT&T Galaxy Widget. SO, people would coming in to a forum would automatically assume THEIR carrier version was what people were talking about. (Back in 2017, also had this trouble initially with T-mobile H932 users even in this V30 forum. Coming from older phones, some users don't understand changes.) But in late 2014, XDA started lumping all the models together -- like this V30 forum is now. Except XDA mistakenly called it the "Droid Turbo" forum and wouldn't re-name it "Quark" forum -- even though ALL the variants were being discussed there.
Adding fuel to fire, Verizon LIED in all their release hype and claimed their Droid Turbo (XT1254) was a GLOBAL EXCLUSIVE. The device wasn't even exclusive to them in the U.S. much less the entire world. (U.S. XT1250 was identical device, ran on Verizon with Verizon SIM card and had easy bootloader unlock.)
"Droid" is a trademark owned by Verizon. They can call any phone a "Droid". So, technically yes the Droid Turbo was exclusive to Verizon. But the exact same phone (same FCC ID) was being sold by a dozen regional LTE/CDMA carriers under the "Moto Maxx" (XT1250) model name. I even provided links to those carriers where people could buy these Moto Maxx XT1250.
Once I pointed out this fact -- Verizon was LYING through their teeth, the XT1250 was not only the same phone as the Verizon Droid Turbo but in fact a better phone due to easy bootloader unlock, PAGES of heated arguments ensued. Ignorant Verizon fanbois didn't want to believe it. They wanted to believe Verizon had cornered the market on this FANTASTIC phone. They were grudgingly willing to believe perhaps other variants like Moto Turbo XT1225 (with different bands, different FCC ID) existed for OTHER countries, but BY GOLLY, ONLY Verizon had this phone in the U.S.! (How can you love a carrier that much, like they are God? Or believe carrier PR hype that much?)
If you know anything about electronics, same FCC ID number carries weight of law due to the ADA law for handicaps/disabilities. Your company can fined by the U.S Government and be sued in class action lawsuit for millions of dollars if you mis-identify the characteristics of an electronic communication device, which is identified by the FCC number. You can call it whatever you like (Droid Turbo, Moto Maxx) but the FCC ID number is the unique identifier in the U.S. There's no way deep pockets Verizon nor Motorola/Lenovo would open themselves up to that kind of liability.
Plus, the Verizon fanbois didn't like that other Quark variants being discussed in THEIR forum. But this XT1254/XT1250 clone proof REALLY got under their skin. They called me a liar and worse -- even though I had FCC documentation. One of the FCC documents is attached, but I had whole chain of evidence, that not only was Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo XT1225 same specs as Droid Turbo XT1254 (so all were Quarks in spite of different model names), but furthermore that Moto Maxx XT1250 = Droid Turbo XT1254 to 100th decimal point.
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Mods got involved, thread was cleaned, people got warned and even banned. Months later, I ended up an XDA Recognized Contributor. Because of my extensive knowledge of the cell phone industry, I'm the one who figured all this out. I went looking through the FCC records and searching regional telephone carriers. Most people only know about the Big 4 (now Big 3) -- but there are many other carriers with their own towers and licences serving remote areas like in Appalachia, Alaska, parts of Michigan, etc. I'm not talking about MVNOs but actual carriers. Cricket and MetroPCS used to be regional standalone carriers before being bought by AT&T and T-mobile. Back then, LTE/CDMA carrier MetroPCS in particular would get the EXACT same phones as Verizon, but under a different model name. For instance, the Verizon LG Revolution = MetroPCS LG Esteem -- and LG didn't even bother removing the Revolution boot up animation from the media folder. It had both animations in the media folder. But it allowed Verizon to claim (fake) "exclusive" for LG Revolution. All that kind of stuff flies under the radar to people who only know about the major carriers.
As a result of all this conflict, XDA did open a separate Moto Maxx forum and moved all non Droid Turbo content over there. But the ironic thing is all Development (kernels, CM and later LOS ROMs) were posted there. So, Verizon "Droid Turbo" owners had to go over THERE (Moto Maxx forum) to get stuff, once Sunshine Dev team found an exploit to unlock the Verizon Droid Turbo variant bootloader about a year after release. Whereas, the Moto Turbo and Moto Maxx variants always had bootloader unlock, TWRP and ROMs. Droid Turbo was late to the party.
So, point is, Verizon lies about phones.
VERZION DELAYED OS UPDATE
Then, in July 2016 when Marshmallow update pushed from Motorola servers for ALL Moto Quark variants, the Verizon Droid Turbo did not get their update. Motorola confirmed they sent it to Verizon and it would be released by Verizon. When? Only Verizon knew. Maybe they were testing it? NO, they weren't. They were just sitting on it. Why? Because all the back-to-school new phone sales were starting, then the holiday new phone sales after that and the Droid Turbo specs were still too good. 3GB RAM, 5.2" 1440p OLED, Qi wireless charging, 21MP camera, 3900 mAh battery. THAT 2-year old phone with new OS would still be as good as or better than any new phone Verizon was selling! So, if they didn't update the OS, then people will have to buy new phone to get Marshmallow. Only end of December 2016 did Verizon finally release the Marshmallow update for their Quark -- and it immediately bricked the phones which had encrypted storage. So, Verizon had to pull the update for a couple of weeks, then release a revised version. That shows Verizon was NOT extensively testing it for six months, they were just sitting on it to nerf the Droid Turbo from being too good a phone so people with "old" phones would buy new ones.
Point is, Verizon will purposefully degrade (or delay updates) to an older phone to increase sales of newer phones.
They were also the first to insist upon bootloaders which could not be unlocked -- even for Google Nexus/Pixel phones.
ChazzMatt said:
Yes, long storied history. Here's my Verizon story which covers 2014 - 2016 involving lying and nerfing...
1) Verizon lied about the 2014 Droid Turbo being global exclusive. It wasn't even exclusive device to Verizon in the U.S. and I proved it to the dismay of XDA Verizon fanbois.
2) In 2016, Verizon delayed giving Marshmallow update for six months while all other worldwide versions had that update, because 2014 Droid Turbo with Marshmallow was equal or better to all their other 2016 NEW phones Verizon were trying to sell. So, they nerfed the Droid Turbo until after the 2016 Q3/Q4 back-to-school and holiday sales had finished.
Here's the full story:
MOTO QUARK
I bought three of the 2014 Moto "Quark", which was the best phone of 2014, the smaller sibling of the Moto Nexus 6. Both designed by Google when they owned Motorola -- with almost identical specs except for size. Remember these were awesome specs in 2014: 3GB RAM, 5.2" 1440p OLED, Qi wireless charging, 21MP camera, 3900 mAh battery (Quark). Yes, Quark had 5.2" display, but back then phones were smaller and until that year, the Nexus model number had NOTHING to do with screen size. It was merely the generation number. 2011 Nexus 3 (4.65"), 2012 Nexus 4 (4.75") 2013 and Nexus 5 (4.95") were all almost 5". The 4.95" Nexus 5 (2013) was merely the 5TH Nexus -- had nothing to do with screen size. But for some reason, Google decided the 2014 Nexus 6 should be 6" because their Nexus 7 tablet was 7"...
Until August 2014, Google was testing TWO different versions for the 2014 Nexus -- the 5.2" and the 6". They ended up going with the 6" and the 5.2" was re-purposed to be the Moto Quark. Ironically, the smaller Moto Quark had a larger battery (3900 mAh) than the larger Moto Nexus 6.
But about that time, Google was selling Motorola to Lenovo. So, to blunt the the competition from a FANTASTIC phone to compete with Moto Nexus 6, Google/Lenovo decided to sell the Moto Quark under different model names in different regions, different carriers. Stupidity, personified. "Quark" is the series code name, like "Joan" is for the V30. We all started calling it that because it was the SAME phone series, just like for V30, a US998 is same phone as EU H930. Just different firmware and (maybe) bands.
DROID TURBO/MOTO TURBO/MOTO MAXX
However, not only were they all the same series (like our V30 US998 and H930), but TWO of Quark models were exact clones of each other. Even same FCC ID.
Verizon's version was called Droid Turbo (XT1254). And it was identical in every way -- including same FCC number to the Moto Maxx (XT1250) sold by other U.S. (regional) carriers. Well identical in every way, except the Moto Maxx had Motorola sanctioned bootloader unlock, while the Verizon Droid Turbo did not. The Moto Maxx XT1250 even ran on Verizon with Verizon SIM card, because guess why? It had the exact same FCC number, and thus had identical bands, etc. To Verizon's network, it was indeed a "Droid Turbo". (I predicted this was possible, then users proved it.)
In Romeo and Juliet, Shakespeare said, "That which we call a rose / By any other name would smell as sweet."
So, the Moto Maxx XT1250 was basically the "Dev" version of the the Droid Turbo XT1254. Buy it, unlock bootloader, install TWRP, put in Verizon SIM card. You could even flash Verizon firmware if you wished. Much like our V30 US998 to VS996 Frankenstein. But remember this was back in 2014... Cross flashing Verizon FIRMWARE over XT1250 worked because it was ALREADY the same phone.
There was a 3rd Moto Quark (or 2nd if you count the XT1254/XT1250 clones as the same phone), called the XT1225. In India, this variant was sold as the "Moto Turbo (XT1225)." In Latin America, it was sold as Moto Maxx (XT1225). Yes, it had different bands from the Droid Turbo XT1254/Moto Maxx XT1250, but in a good way for me. It had no CDMA, but had extra LTE and HSPA bands, and had ALL the AT&T bands, including the new (at the time) LTE band 5. However, you could not buy this one in the U.S.
So, I bought three -- importing them from Puerto Rico and Mexico. Bootloader unlocked, rooted, ran CM 12.1 and LOS Revolution Remix ROMs. (No you couldn't cross flash XT1225 firwmare over XT1254/XT1250 or vice versa.)
XDA DRAMA
With these specs in 2014 (3GB RAM, 5.2" 1440p OLED, Qi wireless charging, 21MP camera, 3900 mAh battery) and the too huge size at the time of the Moto Nexus 6, I decided the Moto Quark was my best bet to upgrade from the 4.95" 1080p LG Nexus 5 with too-small battery.
With me, so far? OK.
Back then, XDA tended to segregate all models according to carriers. The T-mobile Galaxy Widget would be separate from the Sprint Galaxy Widget, which would be separate from the AT&T Galaxy Widget. SO, people would coming in to a forum would automatically assume THEIR carrier version was what people were talking about. (Back in 2017, also had this trouble initially with T-mobile H932 users even in this V30 forum. Coming from older phones, some users don't understand changes.) But in late 2014, XDA started lumping all the models together -- like this V30 forum is now. Except XDA mistakenly called it the "Droid Turbo" forum and wouldn't re-name it "Quark" forum -- even though ALL the variants were being discussed there.
Adding fuel to fire, Verizon LIED in all their release hype and claimed their Droid Turbo (XT1254) was a GLOBAL EXCLUSIVE. The device wasn't even exclusive to them in the U.S. much less the entire world. (U.S. XT1250 was identical device, ran on Verizon with Verizon SIM card and had easy bootloader unlock.)
"Droid" is a trademark owned by Verizon. They can call any phone a "Droid". So, technically yes the Droid Turbo was exclusive to Verizon. But the exact same phone (same FCC ID) was being sold by a dozen regional LTE/CDMA carriers under the "Moto Maxx" (XT1250) model name. I even provided links to those carriers where people could buy these Moto Maxx XT1250.
Once I pointed out this fact -- Verizon was LYING through their teeth, the XT1250 was not only the same phone as the Verizon Droid Turbo but in fact a better phone due to easy bootloader unlock, PAGES of heated arguments ensued. Ignorant Verizon fanbois didn't want to believe it. They wanted to believe Verizon had cornered the market on this FANTASTIC phone. They were grudgingly willing to believe perhaps other variants like Moto Turbo XT1225 (with different bands, different FCC ID) existed for OTHER countries, but BY GOLLY, ONLY Verizon had this phone in the U.S.! (How can you love a carrier that much, like they are God? Or believe carrier PR hype that much?)
If you know anything about electronics, same FCC ID number carries weight of law due to the ADA law for handicaps/disabilities. Your company can fined by the U.S Government and be sued in class action lawsuit for millions of dollars if you mis-identify the characteristics of an electronic communication device, which is identified by the FCC number. You can call it whatever you like (Droid Turbo, Moto Maxx) but the FCC ID number is the unique identifier in the U.S. There's no way deep pockets Verizon nor Motorola/Lenovo would open themselves up to that kind of liability.
Plus, the Verizon fanbois didn't like that other Quark variants being discussed in THEIR forum. But this XT1254/XT1250 clone proof REALLY got under their skin. They called me a liar and worse -- even though I had FCC documentation. One of the FCC documents is attached, but I had whole chain of evidence, that not only was Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo XT1225 same specs as Droid Turbo XT1254 (so all were Quarks in spite of different model names), but furthermore that Moto Maxx XT1250 = Droid Turbo XT1254 to 100th decimal point.
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Mods got involved, thread was cleaned, people got warned and even banned. Months later, I ended up an XDA Recognized Contributor. Because of my extensive knowledge of the cell phone industry, I'm the one who figured all this out. I went looking through the FCC records and searching regional telephone carriers. Most people only know about the Big 4 (now Big 3) -- but there are many other carriers with their own towers and licences serving remote areas like in Appalachia, Alaska, parts of Michigan, etc. I'm not talking about MVNOs but actual carriers. Cricket and MetroPCS used to be regional standalone carriers before being bought by AT&T and T-mobile. Back then, LTE/CDMA carrier MetroPCS in particular would get the EXACT same phones as Verizon, but under a different model name. For instance, the Verizon LG Revolution = MetroPCS LG Esteem -- and LG didn't even bother removing the Revolution boot up animation from the media folder. It had both animations in the media folder. But it allowed Verizon to claim (fake) "exclusive" for LG Revolution. All that kind of stuff flies under the radar to people who only know about the major carriers.
As a result of all this conflict, XDA did open a separate Moto Maxx forum and moved all non Droid Turbo content over there. But the ironic thing is all Development (kernels, CM and later LOS ROMs) were posted there. So, Verizon "Droid Turbo" owners had to go over THERE (Moto Maxx forum) to get stuff, once Sunshine Dev team found an exploit to unlock the Verizon Droid Turbo variant bootloader about a year after release. Whereas, the Moto Turbo and Moto Maxx variants always had bootloader unlock, TWRP and ROMs. Droid Turbo was late to the party.
So, point is, Verizon lies about phones.
VERZION DELAYED OS UPDATE
Then, in July 2016 when Marshmallow update pushed from Motorola servers for ALL Moto Quark variants, the Verizon Droid Turbo did not get their update. Motorola confirmed they sent it to Verizon and it would be released by Verizon. When? Only Verizon knew. Maybe they were testing it? NO, they weren't. They were just sitting on it. Why? Because all the back-to-school new phone sales were starting, then the holiday new phone sales after that and the Droid Turbo specs were still too good. 3GB RAM, 5.2" 1440p OLED, Qi wireless charging, 21MP camera, 3900 mAh battery. THAT 2-year old phone with new OS would still be as good as or better than any new phone Verizon was selling! So, if they didn't update the OS, then people will have to buy new phone to get Marshmallow. Only end of December 2016 did Verizon finally release the Marshmallow update for their Quark -- and it immediately bricked the phones which had encrypted storage. So, Verizon had to pull the update for a couple of weeks, then release a revised version. That shows Verizon was NOT extensively testing it for six months, they were just sitting on it to nerf the Droid Turbo from being too good a phone so people with "old" phones would buy new ones.
Point is, Verizon will purposefully degrade (or delay updates) to an older phone to increase sales of newer phones.
They were also the first to insist upon bootloaders which could not be unlocked -- even for Google Nexus/Pixel phones.
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I totally agree and hate when carriers play games with updates . Android Manufacturers allowed carriers to rename and modify their smartphones and software, which was a mistake from the beginning. I dislike Apple, but i have to hand it to them when it came to their devices. None of the carriers could modify the software or hardware in any way. This meant that their devices performed exactly the way they were intended to, and software development was only under their direct control.
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I totally agree and hate when carriers play games with updates . Android Manufacturers allowed carriers to rename and modify their smartphones and software, which was a mistake from the beginning. I dislike Apple, but i have to hand it to them when it came to their devices. None of the carriers could modify the software or hardware in any way. This meant that their devices performed exactly the way they were intended to, and software development was only under their direct control.
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This is what Treble GSI images were supposed to fix, but don't. Because GSI images don't have the drivers and proprietary features major OEM (LG and Samsung) stock firmware have.
Wow great info chazz, opened my eyes for sure. So then which phones should we get then, unlocked and or international? Then which network for area of us we are in?
Purchased from OP US website, but it's not carrier activated or custom logo'd.
(Long story short- bought last year as upgrade to 8T but sock-drawered it waiting for 6 months to finish elapsing for 8T unlock, then news came out re 11's better specs & January release...)
Last night turned on 10T no sim \ on Samsung hotspot & was presented in order: ~ 750mb security & fixes\stability update, OS 13 {4½gb), then another update ~ 650mb.
None had the usual T-Mobile is presenting you a necessary update message & phone has no T-Mo apps or splash screen (in contrast to previous OP models N10 & 8T). And T-Mo hasn't yet released 13 upgrade for any handset 8\9\10. Model# remains cph2417.
So I'm assuming this time OP not selling carrier-locked models(folks had problems using 9 on Verizon) \ if I'd activated 10T, T-Mobile would've foisted their firmware \ locked phone \ would still be waiting on 13 upgrade?
Hhhmmm...
CPH2417 is not the T-Mobile model, it's the factory unlocked U.S. model, meaning you would have gotten those updates regardless if you were using a T-Mobile SIM card or not, CPH2419 is the T-Mobile branded 10T, that one has not officially received OOS 13, neither has their 10 Pro, 9 Series, or 8 Series.
rmendez011 said:
CPH2417 is not the T-Mobile model, it's the factory unlocked U.S. model, meaning you would have gotten those updates regardless if you were using a T-Mobile SIM card or not, CPH2419 is the T-Mobile branded 10T, that one has not officially received OOS 13, neither has their 10 Pro, 9 Series, or 8 Series.
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Correct. I'm surprised OnePlus Store didn't sell the T-Mo 2419, unlike in the past.
And fwiw read today that 11 won't be sold by the carrier.
horsecharles said:
Correct. I'm surprised OnePlus Store didn't sell the T-Mo 2419, unlike in the past.
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I'm surprised they changed the last number from a 5, to a 7 lol. Since the 7 Pro, the model number ending in 5 always meant U.S. model, and 7 always meant T-Mobile model.
And fwiw read today that 11 won't be sold by the carrier.
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Wait really? That's good to hear, hopefully this means the 11 and future models are safe from permanent bootloader locks, I still won't upgrade from my 9 Pro, which is a true flagship from OnePlus, plus it's the last model with Custom ROM support, and MSM Tool, not to mention mmWave 5G.
rmendez011 said:
I'm surprised they changed the last number from a 5, to a 7 lol. Since the 7 Pro, the model number ending in 5 always meant U.S. model, and 7 always meant T-Mobile model.
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Hopefully it's because OnePlus tired of T-Mo upgrade delays. Although to be fair, that intransigence helped for Android 12.
I also hope that T-Mo doesn't lock 11 during its activation.
rmendez011 said:
Wait really? That's good to hear, hopefully this means the 11 and future models are safe from permanent bootloader locks, I still won't upgrade from my 9 Pro, which is a true flagship from OnePlus, plus it's the last model with Custom ROM support, and MSM Tool, not to mention mmWave 5G.
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Agreed. Although with 11 having the latest Snapdragon we're getting up to triple 5G Carrier Aggregation, UFS 4, LPPDR 5... and all those combine to use lots less battery & run cooler (beside the multi-gig download speeds).
Plus from me, coming from the 10T, they're re-adding everything removed from your model: adaptive refresh down to 1, QHD, notification slider button...
The only critiques:
A. charger downgraded from 150\125 to 100\80 depending on model. For me that 10T brick charges 8T quicker (which comes with 80\65W version).
B. 512 gb variant nowhere to be seen in OP Store.
C. No e-Sim yet?
I used to do the custom roms back in Cyanogen days, but today I have too many finance, \ betting \ work apps- plus Samsung Pay on Galaxy Watch (managed from Android phone app) I don't want trouble with.
Maybe I'm just being too ignorant or lazy about today's custom Roms.
All the best.
horsecharles said:
Hopefully it's because OnePlus tired of T-Mo upgrade delays. Although to be fair, that intransigence helped for Android 12.
I also hope that T-Mo doesn't lock 11 during its activation.
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Activation? What do you mean? Will the 11 now start "activating" itself upon first setup?
horsecharles said:
Agreed. Although with 11 having the latest Snapdragon we're getting up to triple 5G Carrier Aggregation, UFS 4, LPPDR 5... and all those combine to use lots less battery & run cooler (beside the multi-gig download speeds).
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Yea that's one thing I'm tempted about the 11, the 5G support is insane, I'm jealous it has official N77 C-Band 5G support for Verizon, here on my 9 Pro, it has it, but I have to have root to enable it, plus I don't get the 5G UW icon. Not to mention battery life is atrocious on my 9 Pro, I usually get around 3 and a half hours of SOT. But then I remember no MSM Tool, no custom ROM support, so it will die on Oxygen OS 17.
horsecharles said:
Plus from me, coming from the 10T, they're re-adding everything removed from your model: adaptive refresh down to 1, QHD, notification slider button...
The only critiques:
A. charger downgraded from 150\125 to 100\80 depending on model. For me that 10T brick charges 8T quicker (which comes with 80\65W version).
B. 512 gb variant nowhere to be seen in OP Store.
C. No e-Sim yet?
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A. Don't forget that the 10T charger is also a 45W PD charger, same with the U.S. 10 Pro charger, the new 11 charger is the same 80w charger found in the international 10 Pro, and is not PD compatible.
B. I bet it's gonna be an exclusive color down the line.
C. U.S. and EU models do have eSIM, and apparently dual nano SIM? Not sure how accurate that is.
horsecharles said:
I used to do the custom roms back in Cyanogen days, but today I have too many finance, \ betting \ work apps- plus Samsung Pay on Galaxy Watch (managed from Android phone app) I don't want trouble with.
Maybe I'm just being too ignorant or lazy about today's custom Roms.
All the best.
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Everything you just mentioned (except Samsung Pay, don't have a Samsung Watch, I have a Fossil Gen 5) worked for me when running a custom ROM, I'm currently rooted on my OnePlus 9 Pro running Oxygen OS 13 F.20, and it all works, thanks to Universal SafetyNet Fix magisk module, plus it makes my WideVine L1, so I get 4K streaming. (Peep the screenshots).
rmendez011 said:
Activation? What do you mean? Will the 11 now start "activating" itself upon first setup?
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No. I meant that when I take phone to T-Mobile, hopefully they won't lock it when providing the SIM \ service.
rmendez011 said:
Yea that's one thing I'm tempted about the 11, the 5G support is insane, I'm jealous it has official N77 C-Band 5G support for Verizon, here on my 9 Pro, it has it, but I have to have root to enable it, plus I don't get the 5G UW icon. Not to mention battery life is atrocious on my 9 Pro, I usually get around 3 and a half hours of SOT. But then I remember no MSM Tool, no custom ROM support, so it will die on Oxygen OS 17.
A. Don't forget that the 10T charger is also a 45W PD charger, same with the U.S. 10 Pro charger, the new 11 charger is the same 80w charger found in the international 10 Pro, and is not PD compatible.
B. I bet it's gonna be an exclusive color down the line.
C. U.S. and EU models do have eSIM, and apparently dual nano SIM? Not sure how accurate that is.
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Wait. I thought my 8T charger was 65W(Int. 80), my 10T 125(150 Europe). Am I confusing or misunderstanding the numbers?
rmendez011 said:
Everything you just mentioned (except Samsung Pay, don't have a Samsung Watch, I have a Fossil Gen 5) worked for me when running a custom ROM, I'm currently rooted on my OnePlus 9 Pro running Oxygen OS 13 F.20, and it all works, thanks to Universal SafetyNet Fix magisk module, plus it makes my WideVine L1, so I get 4K streaming. (Peep the screenshots).
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Thank you so much for this! I'll really look for this with the 11 if it becomes possible (if the OP Fold coming later this year doesn't tempt another trade-in ROTFL).