:?: Hello All; I am about to get and O2 XDA in a few days; I have read manuals and web sites on the memory management, I understand the Main programme sits in ROM and programs in RAM, however want to know if applications run in Ram only, or if you can get them to run in the additional storage card. (i.e. SD/MMC)
In other words, are the expansion cards for backups and document/file storage, or is it extra RAM to install & run applications.
Thanks for your help
Jed
Hello Jed.
Most of the programs do also work from the SD/MM-Card.
You can use the expansion for backup, data storage and "program place".
Regards
Stefan
No.. sorry. Programs can be stored on the SD card, however, they cannot run on them. Clear?
What I mean is, that you can install you apps onto an SD card, but when you run them they are loaded in to the built in 'managed' RAM. Unfortunately this is finite, and also is the only place that contacts, tasks, and appointments can be stored.
So, to those who have a 32Mb XDA, don't let O2 fool you by telling you it is easy to upgrade your XDA to 64Mb with a SD card - it's not quite the same.
There are other upgrade options available.
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As a new user/owner of the Siemens SX56, I have quickly discovered the limitations of the units memory/storage capabilities.
While I may not be using the correct rhetoric (please correct me where necessary) I am hoping someone might be able to help me.
If I buy a 256MB SD Card, can I use it to as a place to install and run programs, or am I limited to using it for data storage only? Can it be recognized as MAIN MEMORY instead of simply a "storage card"?
Otherwise, what are my options to increase memory/storage?
Also, COSTCO has the 256MB SD Card available for $104 CDN (plus 7%GST and 8%PST), is that a good deal or should I look elsewhere?
Many thanks!
Guinness said:
If I buy a 256MB SD Card, can I use it to as a place to install and run programs, or am I limited to using it for data storage only? Can it be recognized as MAIN MEMORY instead of simply a "storage card"?
Otherwise, what are my options to increase memory/storage?
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Yes you can install and run programs from the SD card!
No the SD card will only be recognized as a Storage card!
Your other option is to send your unit in for a memory upgrade.
Visit:
http://www.pocketpctechs.com/PPCPup.asp
HTH
Thanks for you reply Qman, it is really appreciated! Can you offer me some more detail though?
Qman said:
Yes you can install and run programs from the SD card!
No the SD card will only be recognized as a Storage card!
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Do I need to do anything differently when installing new pocket pc applications so that they are installed on the SD card?
Does the SX56 automatically add the new available memory to its configuration and then manage space for file storage and/or memory usage? Can I choose one or the other for storage of data files and/or applications?
Is there any difference between "Main" memory and "Storage Card" memory??? I initially thought there was a difference that needed to be considered, but now I'm not so sure. I kinda likened Main Memory to the RAM on a PC and the Storage Card to a mini "hard drive" ...which lead me to think that the Storage Card was used ONLY for the storage of data files. I guess I was wrong in my thinking?
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Also, COSTCO has the 256MB SD Card available for $104 CDN (plus 7%GST and 8%PST), is that a good deal or should I look elsewhere?
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the price you mentioned, in my opinion, is not a good deal. i was in hong kong and i was able to buy a 512 mb sd card for $114. you may need to search around sites for a more lucrative package.
cheers
robson
Guinness said:
Thanks for you reply Qman, it is really appreciated! Can you offer me some more detail though?
Qman said:
Yes you can install and run programs from the SD card!
No the SD card will only be recognized as a Storage card!
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Do I need to do anything differently when installing new pocket pc applications so that they are installed on the SD card?
Does the SX56 automatically add the new available memory to its configuration and then manage space for file storage and/or memory usage? Can I choose one or the other for storage of data files and/or applications?
Is there any difference between "Main" memory and "Storage Card" memory??? I initially thought there was a difference that needed to be considered, but now I'm not so sure. I kinda likened Main Memory to the RAM on a PC and the Storage Card to a mini "hard drive" ...which lead me to think that the Storage Card was used ONLY for the storage of data files. I guess I was wrong in my thinking?
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it is not true, that the SD-Card can be used to run programs. You can use the SD Card for your data and install programs to the sd Card. When you're running a program the internal memory of your pda will be used.
So you can install much more and bigger programs at your device, but the memory for running programms won't be changed. You see, SD Card is a little bit like a Hard Disc in your pc. You can install more programs and save more data, but you're still limited in the maximum amount of running programs.
You can install programs to your SD-Card via Active Sync. Normally youßre asked, if you want to install the software in the main memory. If you select no, you can choose between main memory and SD-Card.
HTH
Stefan
also the sd flash is a lot slower then internal ram
much like a harddisk is slower then ram in a computer
so if you could merge the sdram with the internal ram and access it as one pool it would be troublesome because the interal ram had to slow down to match the sdram or
you would need some asyncron access plan which would be pretty complex since you could be reading some data which were 1/2 on the slow sdram and 1/2 on the much faster internal ram
ok, and on reverse ...
have you come across any software that can not be installed on SD card and can not be run from SD card ??
regards,
monika
Yes there are some programs that won't run from the SD card. I can't remember which ones I've run across though. I almost always try to install on th esd card first. If the app won't run then I put it in main memory. Good luck - Jim
thanks for your response - good idea ....
try to install software on SD card first
regards,
monika
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I got my 1GB Sandisk today, very happy. Loaded loads of Mp3 and having fun.
Hi XDA Pro's,
I have O2 XDA with 32 MB of Ram and Rom installed, with PPC 2003 2nd edition installed. the problem I am facing is that i cannot run applications that are big, as everytime i run them i have to go to setting and stop all unwanted running applications, to avoid memory shortage.
Is there a way i can use my SD card's free memory to run big applications..... any answers
Challu
it asks you if you want to install the program in the default location when you install programs using activesync
the sd card is not the default location
so dont pick default
There is no possibilty to use sd card memory for running programs.
The programs uses all the memory from your device.
You could only install these files on you SD-card like Rudegar said.
This keeps more memory free of aour device, so that more memory could be used for the working programs....
Stefan
SD card memory is not virtual memory for running programs, it is storage only, if a program is executed from sd card it still takes up ram on your phone for the code.
Upgraded to WM2005 put in RAM and EXtROM but when trying to relaod programs like Voice Command device says not enough storage. How can I allocate more room for Storage? I have currently showing in Main memory Storage total 14.57MB/In use 10.77MB/FREE 3.8MB (I need more to load programs. The Program Memory shows Total 120.32MB In use 18.08/Free 102.24MB. Tried to install to Ram or Storage card but need Main memory. Help!! :shock:
Yes I have also tried all the versions. Big or small memory it did not work. We need some help here :lol:
Victor
14.57MB is the part of flash memory available for you to use and called storage. Rather confusingly, part of the main memory is also called storage. Sounds to me as if you are trying to install to flash storage and not to main memory.
same problem here, keep on getting message that memory is critically low, but I still got 101,79 Mb of program memory left, can I install apllications here??
grtz
Twin Power!!
I have this same problem. Can anyone help?
It says I have 14.5mb storage but only 5.0mb left. I have 56mb of memory left out of 64mb I think and a 2gb SD card thats empty.
I'm tryin got onstlal tomtom buti it leeps saying that the storage is critically low;.
Can anyone help?
I'm using wm5 v 2.01.64.wwe
I have only one program installed so far.
thanks
I bought A Sandisk 1GB Mini SD Card off of ebay for $10
-just the the card no card reader, or adaptor of any sort.
I insert it into my wizard, and it fits it with the spring loaded mechnism fine, but when I go to memory managment, im not sure if it knows it's there or not
Memory management will say that, that "external storage": "Not Installed"?
But when I go to take pictures, I go to the utilities/options menu, then general tab, and it doesnt even acknowledge that theres their a card in the slot, only seeing system memory.
So my question is, are their any programs that can/will format my card, or implement something to make it work?
I have Total Commander(not installed), and thinking about downloading this program called "SKTools". Would these programs work.
Cause not only is this a brand new card, but i have pictures and programs that I want to get installed on this device.
-Ive already amazed myself by using the Lockiwiz, to unlock my phone(having only 2-days worth of exp with a smartphone device)
-taken a few pictures, which i have to downloading off my wizard through activesync
-An some other freeware programs that want to install themselves on the system memory
Please help, all/ and any post greatly appreciated
Thanks!
EDIT: I downloaded SKTools onto my device, and its a cool program( I think its a alternate version of total commander but you pay for it?), but it doesnt recognize my Mini SD card either!!
-I also found this program called "WM5Storage", in the description it say that it's specialty is dealing with "external storage", downloading/ and uploading without the need of activesync?
Last edited by projectdarkside(1) : Today at 09:06 AM. Reason: Found new program
I had the same problem.
The only thing that worked on my sd-card was to clean it with an sd-card reader that was pluges in too my computer.
PS. I hope you understand, my english is not so good.
http://pocket-mechanic.en.softonic.com/pocket
got some tricks up it's sleve
jus using card reader to format it to fat 32 format then is ok.
your only option is, which has already be said,is to format the card with a card reader. WM5Storage when activated allows your phone to become a usb storage device that can be plugged into any pc without the need for active sync to be installed. you can then see the contents of the sd card, but as your wizard cant even see the sd card that wont work either,nor will any other program you install.
Either the card is incompatable or it needs to be formatted
The best option to format any SD or MiniSD is into Digital Camera.
Hello Everyone,
It will be nice to get help from users who understand better than me the Android system.
I come from iOS, and bought 1 week ago Star Note(2?) N9776 MTk... jelly Bean Android phone.
The mobile is fun to use but, as i install some applications from the GStore,
I am also learning the functions but don't understand exactly :
The system says i have :
Internal storage (500MB)
SD card (16GB)
And Telephone storage (1.80GB) completely empty
Problem is that it is just impossible to use my apps or install some like facebook, games...
all the softs install on the internal storage ... . Why ?
Is the internal storage also the RAM used by the system ?
Why cannot i use the Telephone storage for the system and the apps ?
Why is the phone storage empty ?
If the internal memory is the RAM used by the system, why isn't it possible to use the phone properly because it is shared why the apps ?
I use now the SD memeory for the apps, but the internal storage is constantly uesd and saturated.
The system and telephone is really slow, i am asking myself if the internal storage is same as the RAM used
To run the system properly.
It is not possible to use the phone at this condition, i can't even add applocations, and the system pops me up alerts
About full storage and funstions desactivated.
Is there a way to fix this ? Put the system on the phone storage ?
Have a complete freedom of the ram, just for the system use ?
If i take back the factory datas from the system, will i have the ability to choose the right memory ?
It is not clear to me, so if you come near this post, please give me a hand about it, it is hard to understand the memory problem
From an iPhone user like me.
Thank you
I have the same phone and that has become an annoyance to me too. The supposedly 4gb in the phone the manufacture partitioned in half to be used as app data. The phone is now left with 2gb for the system and apps. So unless you are one of the only people in the world without an sd card, the phone storage is completely useless and have to install or move all your apps to sd card to gain space on the system partition.