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:?: I think I have done my homework, having searched the Forums for help here, but I am still boggled.
I enjoy trying out the new ROM's and Radios as they come out, but am tired of resetting everything on my machine after each upgrade/downgrade. I understand that it is unsafe to backup and then restore to a different ROM version, but need some stratgey to minimize continued reloading and resetting everything each time I upgrade/downgrade.
Questions: If changing only a Radio Stack version, leaving the ROM and EXT ROM versions unchanged, can I do a full backup and then restore safely?
I am also confused as to what the best, most complete backup method might be. I have too many options. Backup in Activesync, import expoert databases, xBackup or Permenant Save on XDA II, .reg backup from reg editor?
Is there another program that is better than any of these options?
Would one of you XDA II Wizards help out us novice apprentices and post a tutorial explaining the real story about backup/restore when switching ROMS and Radio Stacks? Your efforts would be appreciated.
Steve :?:
I think the best backup/restore application is the Sprite Backup.
I have ab. 65MB in my XDAII memory.
the backup time to 256SD card
- with xbackup: ab. 45-50 minutes
- with Sprite Backup: ab. 15-20 mins
the restore time with Sprite: ab. 6-8 mins
It's restore everything (registry, settings, colours, cleartype...etc)
May the Sprite can changes the ROM version num., but only in the registry, but the XDA is working fine with the new ROM.
! When you backing up by Sprite, don't include the mail boxes, because cannot restore it perfectly, and may you cannot send or recieve SMS,
and need to hard-resetting again!
Try it! Good Luck!
hhmmm it may be me but i havent seen any stand alone radiostack upgrades for xda2's and if you manage to put a xda1 radiostack on your xda2 device you got a brand new hitec doorstop on your hands i would suspect
like with the xda1 i would say that radiostacks should never be changed unless ones cellphone company advice it and are willing to help out should it go horrably wrong
with roms you can change and reflash and such but with radiostacks its not anywhere near as easy to get out of a tigth spot
about backup then i suppose it depend on what you want to backup
permenent save only save contacts and appointments and connections settings and such
kinda like if you just sync with outlook
the different backup programs plus the activesync in outlook are a different matter
if you change your rom then i would not restore a backup from the older rom
since a backup is all changed and programs and settings added to the device since hardreset
since you are talking about a new rom then some settings may not be there anymore and some programs may not be there default and such
restoring a backup from an older rom could result in you having to do a hardreset because of a lockup or just a less stable pocketpc
bit confused...
i went to htc's website and downloaded alltel's RUU and ran it on my 6800. after i did this i was looking at the screen shot on the webpage (http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=63&act=sd) and my ROM version didnt change, but the radio and the ROM date did... i called htc and they couldnt help me.
now, if this is a stupid noob question just tell me- i know i just dont know a lot about my phone yet. but could someone explain this to me?
what were you running before??
****... 2.something for the radio. my ROM is stock...im just iffy about upgrading my ROM after reading about so many bugs and things with many of these custom roms out
In your Device Information screen, what does it show for ROM version and Radio version?
bakntyme said:
In your Device Information screen, what does it show for ROM version and Radio version?
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Rom version: 2.14.671.3
ROM date: 4/9/08
Radio version: 03.37.20
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Rom version: 2.14.671.3
ROM date: 4/9/08
Radio version: 03.37.20
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It looks like maybe the radio flashed properly and the ROM flash did not fully complete. Try running the RUU.exe again. You said you ran the RUU on your 6800...you don't really mean that, do you? You should run the RUU on your PC with the 6800 attached to the USB cable.
I suspect he needs to Unlock his phone with Ollipro 2.4, then he should be able to Flash any radio compatible ROM, like DCD 3.0.4....
To be honest, I think it was just a bad install of the alltel update. I'd say first try and run the update again and see if the proper rom version shows up.
He still needs to unlock with 2.40 in order to flash a custom rom, but there's no reason why it shouldn't have updated his rom version if he went from alltel stock to alltel update with the alltel updater package.
alright i ran that RUU from htc again (yes, on my comp- just bad use of words in my earlier post) and now eveything is up to date. i am using spb backup, and the first time i ran the RUU i didnt check the Device Info until after i ran the backup, so does anyone know if running the spb backup after updating the ROM would for some reason change it back to an older version (somehow)???
its either that or my install the first time was just bad, but i did everything exactly the same the second time except i havent run the spb backup yet...
thanks for the help though, i do appreciate it
You should never use sbp backup when changing roms. That's what UC is for, and now that UC is incorporated into dcd's roms, it's awesome.
If you need to backup your PIM data, use something like PIMbackup and then restore your PIM data after the flash.
this is just one reason why this website is better than any of our services' customer service centers.
but could you tell me what exactly UC stands for...google couldnt help me with that one.
obviously its like talking to a middleschooler to me when it comes to some of this stuff...but thanks again
i was too impatient- i found it....does anyone know if the route i should take in order to keep my old settings but get the updated rom would be to run SPBBackup now (putting the old settings back but moving back to the old rom), then running UC and PIM backup to save my settings, then run the RUU again, and then just run UC and PIMBackup. ---would that work?
No that will not work. Spb backup does NOT flash back to the old rom if used this way, instead it just screws everything up if you use it when going from one rom to another. For instance, if you flash to dcd 3.0.4, and use spb backup...then hard reset (keeping the same rom) using spb backup is perfectly fine for restoring stuff. If you have 3.0.4 and use spb backup and then go to 3.0.5 (no such thing), if you use spb backup, it will not flash you back to your 3.0.4 rom, but will only screw everything up and will not work. Hopefully I explained it well enough. PIMbackup, however, can be used going from rom to rom as it only backs up PIM data which is not rom sensitive data. UC is only run when you boot a new rom for the first time, and can do anything from installing all your software for you, changing registry keys, moving/copying files etc.
SPB and Sprite do not back up the ROM itself, but do back up some system files. If you run a restore from SPB or Sprite after a ROM update, you risk writing some old format system files and settings over top of the new ROM files. Not a good idea as it leaves your device in an inconsistent state. For example, with the Sprint 3.35 ROM flash, a Sprite restore from the old ROM version will remove the Rev A setting from the EPST. Not just turn it off, but actually delete the setting completely.
It is best to re-install your programs after the new ROM flash, then restore your data either from a PIM backup, or through syncing to your desktop Outlook. You can also safely do a Sprite restore if you choose ONLY the "Personal Databases". If SPB has an equivalent setting it should also be safe.
If the only copy you have of your data is in your SPB backup, and you did not sync it to Outlook on a PC, and SPB does not have a personal databases only restore, your options are
1. re-enter everything that you can remember manually; or
2. find another 6800 that is still on the old ROM and restore your backup to it, then create a PIM backup that you can load onto your 6800; or
3. use the Titan relocker, reflash the old ROM, restore your backup, do a PIM backup, install Olipro 2.40 bootloader, reflash the new ROM, restore your PIM backup.
If you are in this situation and you choose door number 3, realize that several users, including very knowledgeable ones, have bricked phones attempting to go back from the new GPS ROMs to the pre-GPS ROMs.
edit: any way you do it, you will not be able to safely restore your settings, only your data. All programs, settings, registry edits, etc. have to be re-installed or re-entered after flashing a new ROM.
Since the question of whether one can restore from backup after a rom upgrade comes up often I thought I'd leave my observation. I've never had success with this method before using older versions of Sprite and SPB, there's always some errors, but I try it each time for the hell of it. I just upgraded to DCD 3.3.4 (thanks DCD) and restored from my old 3.2.6 system using SPB backup 2.0. It took some time, but it seems to have worked flawlessly. I'm still going to hard reset and re install eventually, just as a way to clean out the old junk, but it's nice to know that restore works
jph8tr said:
Since the question of whether one can restore from backup after a rom upgrade comes up often I thought I'd leave my observation. I've never had success with this method before using older versions of Sprite and SPB, there's always some errors, but I try it each time for the hell of it. I just upgraded to DCD 3.3.4 (thanks DCD) and restored from my old 3.2.6 system using SPB backup 2.0. It took some time, but it seems to have worked flawlessly. I'm still going to hard reset and re install eventually, just as a way to clean out the old junk, but it's nice to know that restore works
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gracia por la informacion
jph8tr said:
Since the question of whether one can restore from backup after a rom upgrade comes up often I thought I'd leave my observation. I've never had success with this method before using older versions of Sprite and SPB, there's always some errors, but I try it each time for the hell of it. I just upgraded to DCD 3.3.4 (thanks DCD) and restored from my old 3.2.6 system using SPB backup 2.0. It took some time, but it seems to have worked flawlessly. I'm still going to hard reset and re install eventually, just as a way to clean out the old junk, but it's nice to know that restore works
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it may have seemed to work, but its never a good idea to try to restore over different rom versions. especially considering your registry. if you read a little earlier in the 3.3.4 thread DCD talks about registry edits which increased the ram, which you overwrote when you backed up your previous 3.2.6. i found the best backup method is UC all your apps, then after everything is set up perfectly, back up your registry. any hard reset/ reflash you do with the same rom version will only require your UC and then restoring your registry. you should never restore a full backup on a newer rom.
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it may have seemed to work, but its never a good idea to try to restore over different rom versions. especially considering your registry. if you read a little earlier in the 3.3.4 thread DCD talks about registry edits which increased the ram, which you overwrote when you backed up your previous 3.2.6. i found the best backup method is UC all your apps, then after everything is set up perfectly, back up your registry. any hard reset/ reflash you do with the same rom version will only require your UC and then restoring your registry. you should never restore a full backup on a newer rom.
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Anyone have a tutorial on the UC process? Where do you put the sdconfig.txt? In the root of your SD card?
I found a few automated SDConfig.txt makers but didn't have much luck with them.
Unfortunately UC is a hard term to search for
go Here for your answers.
Since early July, I've been using 6.5 build 23001 from Da_G's kitchen and recently have been tempted to upgrade to one of new 6.5 builds. I'm at a state where my device is completely stable and functional for my use. How can I backup my device in its entirety prior to upgrading? I've tried solutions like Sprite backup in the past (and that seems to be the popular solution on these forums), but find it inadequate especially after flashing different roms. Is there some way to backup the device so if I have to I can return/flash back to the original state of the previous rom? I'm thinking of something akin to making a system/drive imaging/ghosts on the PC so that I can tinker with a new 6.5 build but can restore fully to exactly where I was before if necessary.
thanks
S A S H I M I
www.winmo-experts.com
Sashimi isn't what i'm looking for--it seems like an automated installer that will cut down the time/drudgery of reinstalling software. i want a solution that i can essentially restore my entire device from it current existing state. think of it like creating an image of the operating system partition on a computer for later restoration. SBP Backup, Sprite Backup, and others like it simply backup contacts, messages, settings, and various data and many times after restoring things are a little wonky. as far as i know, none of these actually back up the ROM as is. i essentially want to go from a hard reset to my formerly working device in no time.
The way I've done it is run Sprite, upgrade to the new ROM, fiddle, then flash the old ROM that I was using, then restore from backup. It's about the only way I've found.
Sunnysoft Backup Manager - never failed me on my RAPH creates self-extracting 1:1 image of internal storage, registry and system databases. You can restore it even without the app installed, it creates 4 files one of which is .exe that restores the backup.
Sprite and SPB can be buggy when flashing different ROMs. Not all of the stuff is in the same place when you go to restore it, so some things get left out, and sometimes the wrong thing gets changed.
If you are restoring the same, exact ROM, the backup should cover all areas and your device should be as it was before.
Actually there's a way to make your backups flashable. I'm trying to find it since I just saw it the other day. Its around this forum. I want to backup my ROM so I can share it with my friend without having to cook my own.
Found it!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=427507
Doesn't Look too hard....
Hi!
I have the Energy rom on my TP.
I want to upgrade to the last rom avaliable all the time.
If i use a software like Resco Backup, is it possible to perform a full backup, flash a new rom and then restore my full settings and customizations and aply to the new rom??
thanks!
tntnt said:
Hi!
I have the Energy rom on my TP.
I want to upgrade to the last rom avaliable all the time.
If i use a software like Resco Backup, is it possible to perform a full backup, flash a new rom and then restore my full settings and customizations and aply to the new rom??
thanks!
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You can chose whatever backup software you want. Sprite offers a restore after ROM upgrade, so does SPB but be assured that in 8 out of 10 cases it will FAIL, your brand spanking new ROM will be messed up, sluggish, unresponsive.
The only way these backups DO work is a 1:1 restore. Let's say you back up, installed a theme, phone hangs or you don't like the theme and cannot convert back.
Hard reset SAME ROM --> Restore --> > Done.
Get accustomed to MyPhone, PIM copy, UC, Sashimi and other tricks because you wont be happy with the restore.
Catch phrase --> "Trust me!"
agree with tyguy...
PIM Backup, SASHIMI, and UC is very useful in backup/restore... I use them all
r04d5t3r said:
PIM Backup, SASHIMI, and UC is very useful in backup/restore... I use them all
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There are SOME things that will work that way. If you use Sprite Backup, you can decide which things to restore. If you avoid restoring the registry, you can still use it to restore selected items like PIM databases. I used Sprite Backup but it has become unusable and it seems the company has stopped responding to support requests. AFAIK, SPB doesn't offer the ability to select but I may be wrong.
I'm curious about one thing though. When using things like PIM Backup, what usually happens is once I sync, all PIM Info gets duplicated (Active Sync thinks the data restored via PIM Backup is something "new"). Does anyone know a way to fool Outlook/Active Sync to not behave that way?
If like me you have meetings and contacts in the thousands, using Outlook/Activesync to restore PIM info to the phone after flashing a new ROM takes a really long time...
I can confirm that newest version of SPB Backup never worked for me on EnergyROMs. I could not connect to gsm network even on a same ROM. Sprite Backup works like a charm, but only on the same ROM. It is good just if you are installing something you never know what happens. So it could work just like some restore points in windows. As the guys here said, best method is to learn UC customizations, Sashimi, but i have to say, it is not that easy, for some people...
i work with SPB Backup with ROMeOS and it worked perfektly even on different ROM Versions. I tried to restore a backup made with SPB Backup under ROMeOS WWE and restored it under GENY GER Version, worked without Problems after changing some names/pathes in the registry (Speicherkarte => Storage Card etc) depending on the language. Not working links like Total Commander werent in the installation of GENY in the main memory; they run after installing TC in the windows directory; for me the Speed was absolutely ok, but i dunno, how fast it would be if you work with UC. I restored all my BUs since ROMeOS since version 1.4 until ver 2, but then i decided to install everything new, what took 2 weeks of braincooking but i got 50 MB more free RAM. Of course its better to install everything new, but if its a complex program & settingsstructure, with a lot of tweaks, colored task bars and so on it is much easier & faster to restore a BU...
SPB has the opportunity to choose which parts of BU you want to restore ... from complete restore (with ROM Upgrade mode/ phone Changing mode) over all or single databases to even single files, if i remember right...
Greetz
Boris
P.S.: i only worked with WM 6.1 ROMs
If I'm in the right mood I'll start a new thread under the general Raphael section because I think this does belong here to the ROM dev. section.
Just in a nutshell:
Sprite has and had major problems if the basic SYS changes dramatically (WinMo 6.1 to 6.5 or 6.5 to 6.5.3) thus I stopped using it BUT it has a nice but not really great working "Restore after ROM change feature".
My basic tricks are:
PIM Backup with SPB
Sync with MyPhone
XML changes (like program paths etc.) with Adv.Config
Install with Sashimi
Copy with Total Commander (programs, Opera settings and bookmarks).
Username and personal data either manual input or Sashimi.
This worked since WinMo 5.0 with no issues and it takes me ~ 30 minutes after a flash to be back 99.9%. I do have to install a few things manually
Don't have much time now so I'll post the link to the "How To" later today.
You can actually do a lot with just pimbackup. The custom option is pretty cool-it allows you to backup and restore custom files, much like sashimi does, except that once you set it up, it will do the backup for you instead of having to do it manually. If you uncheck the 'binary' option, you basically just get a zip file with a directory of all the files you selected for backup.
There's a lot that can go wrong using sprite or a similar app. Even if you don't restore registry settings, you might insert something into the startup folder that screws up your phone (it's easier than you'd think, lol). A week or so ago, I decided to try running a task manager at startup (IT Task, which is really cool), and for whatever reason, when you put a shortcut for it in the startup folder, you have major problems booting up the phone. After about 10 tries, I got lucky and the phone booted up, so I didn't have to do a hard reset (which I wasn't fully prepared for).
You're probably ok restoring with sprite if you stick to the same rom-line, but it could certainly be a mess if one chef stores apps in \program files but the new chef has them all in rom (in \windows). Then you'll end up with two copies of everything, which is a waste. It may work, but it's a lousy way to go.