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Subject: Change SD-Port into SDIO-Port?
From: Jabba
Date: 17 Jan, 2003 15:29:38
Hi!
Is there any way to change that SD port into a port with
SDIO-support? (maybe ripping sd out and pasting sdio in) ???
Jabba
Subject: SDIO
From: Martin Long
Date: 17 Jan, 2003 16:04:54
Yeah, I would also like to know this, although I would guess it
is a hardware shortfall.
Subject: The Future
From: MADmanFREE
Date: 17 Jan, 2003 23:59:02
This would enable us to get much more add-ons for this limited
device.
The main missing thing being Bluetooth ! !
Subject: SDIO
From: Alan T
Date: 18 Jan, 2003 22:47:52
Have a look at the link below - who knows, it might just happen.
htt
p://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/index.php?topic_id=7348
The info posted there doesn't help since the XDA has a StrongARM and not an XScale CPU.
Read it.
If you read it properly: a) the article doesn't exclusively talk about XScale b) the person posting wasn't suggesting it applies to the XDA, just not to give up hope.
I have my doubts, but I'm not writing off the possibility of a solution.
Regards
Martin
Sorry, but you're wrong. There is no way you could try to enable SDIO in the same way on a StrongARM you could do on an XScale.
This is because the XScale has an integrated SDIO-cabable MMC-controller on-chip and the StrongARM has not.
I have to agree. I'm sorry, Martin Long, but you should read the article properly. It's even stated in its headline: "Got X-Scale? Got SD? You have SDIO!"...): The article DOES talk exclusively about XScale.
The XScale processor has an on-chip MMC controller which can be used to support SDIO cards in 1-bit mode if the processor is wired properly (see the comments in the discussion forum on pocketpcthoughts.com).
The StrongARM processor has no on-chip MMC oder SD controller. So the trick suggested in the article would never work for the StrongARM.
Sorry but that is the reality.
Actually I am right....
I know this doesn't apply to the XDA, however, as I said, the article doesn't exclusively refer to the XScale. Read the line: "Any OMAP processor device"
I wasn't trying to make a point that this definately applies to XDA, just that there may be a way around at some point, but, as I also said, i doubt it.
I know that the xda only supports SD memory and not the more flexible SDIO devices. Does anyone know if this is a hardware limitation or is it lack of software?
Both.
Hardware doesn't support SDIO. Neither does Pocket PC 2002.
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-blue-angel-en.shtml
Full review, well done at (mobile.review.com)
my comment on the 9090
If you dont already have a XDA II, it is worth it i think
if you do own a xda2 its a wast of money
if you really want wifi, buy a sd wifi card, aint that expensive and when u browse the inet with it you dont need the 1 gig sd card or so you just replaced..
windows 2003se is comming for xda2 so horizontal browsing is possible soon
the keyboard is nice, you can also buy a bluetooth one or a click on unit
I agree. it is totally useless if u own xda2,qtek2020 or mda2.
I find such onboard keyboards very annoying and it only makes the pda thicker and heavier. BT keyboard from Stowaway is now available in the Netherlands for around 119 - 139 EUR. Temporarily out of stock though
Does the new 9090 support BT profile for listening to audio and not only makeing phone calls? I want to listen to mp3s on my BT headset.... :lol:
akira said:
windows 2003se is coming for xda2 so horizontal browsing is possible soon
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Whats your information on this? Most people understand that SE is NOT coming to the xda 2.
Surur
http://www.semsons.com/sp2sdgpsrewi.html
This looks to be the best sd gps unit out there.. great reception and a mini sd slot.. but because of the sdio bug with the XDA IIS, the bloody thing isn't compatible...
It seems to be a software/ driver malfunction rather than a hardware limitation... I'd really love to see someone try to tackle this prob.
Someone Walkin' said:
http://www.semsons.com/sp2sdgpsrewi.html
This looks to be the best sd gps unit out there.. great reception and a mini sd slot.. but because of the sdio bug with the XDA IIS, the bloody thing isn't compatible...
It seems to be a software/ driver malfunction rather than a hardware limitation... I'd really love to see someone try to tackle this prob.
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to use on blueangel, we would need one sd adapter
btw, is that bug with all units?
also, i think for gps, the best is one bt antenna, because for sure we will fill the sd slot with one memory card
SandStorm said:
to use on blueangel, we would need one sd adapter
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Hmm, I don't think so.. it's fits in to the sd slot on top of the machine plus it has it's own mini sd slot so you can still use extenal storage.
But that being said, because of the o2 xda iis sdio bug it doesn't work for that model.
unless we try another rom to see if the problam persist.
maybe one original 9090 rom
Actually that's a point.. I didn't even consider that a change of rom might fix this issue... good catch.
I was trying to use my X7500 for walking navigation and I am sure that the static navigation here is ON (during slow movement - less than 6 km/h is the change of location not detected or only in large steps). I was searching several forums than and tried several programs (SirfTech, GPSTweak, MMSirf, aplsirf, SirfDemo, BeeLineGPS) with no success. It seems like X7500 can not switch to Sirf mode. Do you have some experiences with this issue?
Thank you very much for your help.
erm....the GPOS chip in here is not a sirf chip, it's a qualcomm GPSone. I don't think it has static navigation.....
Qualcomm chipset? I am really confused - I was reading everywhere that it should be Sirfstar III. So, how is it?
I'm in the doubt too.
At the Dopod U1000 User Manual on Appendix A.3 Specifications at the second page of that section under GPS said "Chipset SirF StarIII with Ephemeris Extension support".
But on the Athena Service Manual (DOC-00026040) said nothing about what chipset is in the Athena. So I guess the GPS Chipset is one of the options the OEM has when asking to HTC for a Athena model (like HTC X7500, Dopod U1000, TMobile AMEO or others).
The Athena Service Manual is funny about this point since mention with deep detail the features of the GPS system like db levels for sample but doesn't mention the maker of the GPS chipset.
Related to the HTC X7500 Advantage I'm in the doubt of what GPS chipset contains. Even at www.europe.htc.com this point is no metioned neither in the web page nor the PDF you can download.
Best Regards,
mahjong
EDIT: Looking at Google many pages said X7500 has SirF StarIII GPS chipset but since that pages are not from HTC and HTC said nothing about it I'm still in the doubt.
Dear Mahjong, thank you for giving me just a bit hope. It would be a big dissapointment for me, if the chipset in x7500 is not Sirf.... does anybody have some more knowledge about this issue? Thank you for any news.
On page 233 of the Ameo manual and in the appendix section you'l read the following:
Chipset : SirF Star111 with Ephemeris Extension support.
Internal antenna : Yes.
GPS Receiver : 20 parallel channels.
OK, I am at home now and tried to open my manual also (at last) and there are the same data (SirF StarIII with ...etc.)
I hope, I can believe it. So the question is back here: how to turn off the static navigation of this GPS?
I tried also to ask directly at HTC support, but it seems to me that they even don't know what is it.... :-(
Any advice more than welcome....
My previous machine was an Mitac Mio a701 and since this was WM5 (like my X7500) got troubles with TT 5 and early versions of TT 6 that don't support properly the WM5 GPS virtual port option... which is linked with the ephemeris system.
The program I used to work in deep with the GPS was SirfTech. If SirfTech don't solve the problem... few more options you will have.
I was reading about the tests I did with my A701 and SirfTech and one thing I consider was improving the accuracy by using DGPS (WAAS). SirfTech helps me to activate the DGPS thing. Have you consider that.
SirfDemo is a great tool too. There is a tutorial in GpsPasSion related to SirfDemo and with a chapter dedicated to Static Navigation. Did you see it?
Is here: http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25575
Well, by now this is what I can help.
Best Regards,
mahjong
EDIT: Have a look to this one: http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39596 MMSirfSetup - MMSirf One click SN ON/OFF and on click WAAS ON/OFF
In the appendix.....
well bugger me....so it does! That surprises me. This thing is nowhere near as quick to pick up a signal as my old Artemis. I'm wondering if this is simply a case of whoever wrote the manual simply copy and pasted again, without double checking the facts. Lets face it, all the manuals in Dutch, Swedish, Danish etc all state that the device includes transcriber and letter recognizer and we all know that those languages dont! The only other GPS device that even mentions the GPS chip is the P3300 and it has the exact same info as at the back here.
Unfortunately, knowing what the device is like, and knowing what tends to happen when the manuals are written, i'm not so sure i believe it..
But in the meantime, until i can find out for definite, I stand (well, sit at a desk) corrected.
rhedgehog said:
Unfortunately, knowing what the device is like, and knowing what tends to happen when the manuals are written, i'm not so sure i believe it..
But in the meantime, until i can find out for definite, I stand (well, sit at a desk) corrected.
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Yeah but... if you don't trusth on the HTC user guide and fetaures... what else? You should open the X7500 to have a look inside... but anyway the model number could be erased from the top of the chip which is something many companies do whatever the reason.
So? The images of system board at HTC Service Manual don't show any chip with the well-known Sirf logo... but I insist this is a feature that the OEM decide.
Hmmmm... using SirfTech on my X7500 I cannot get Sirf data...
One point for rhedgehog
EDIT: I changed to Sirf protocol using SirfTech and now I cannot access any GPS data. Recerting the change to NMEA using the same program doesn't solve the problem. What a mess!!! A warning: This doesn't looks a Sirf to me so don't mess around with Sirf programs by now.
I will keep everyone informed... let see if I manage to come my GPS back into live.
You see rhedgehog? I learned the hard way. :-DDD :-(((
Uffff Done....
I power off the HTC by pressing the power for 3 secs... then I take out the battery for 1 minute or so.... then reinsert the battery... power on... and...
My OziExplorer display again NMEA data coming form the GPS.
HTC X7500 doesn't look like having a Sirf chipset... and doesn't looks a good idea kidding with Sirf setup programs on it.
Best Regards,
mahjong
Athena (same as most of the current htc lineup?)is supposed to have the Qualcomm MSM6275 gpsOne chipset
http://www.cdmatech.com/technologies/gpsone.jsp
Ok I got it.
My X7500 has a Qualcomm MSM 6275 chipset. This information can be found on the Athena Service Manual. If you access the Qualcomm website and looks for this chipset you will eventually reach this page:
http://www.umtschips.com/products/msm6275_chipset_solution.jsp
This page said that the MSM6275 chipset contains not only the 3G capabilities but the GPS (an A-GPS solution based on GPSone).
In that web page there is information (and a PDF file too) showing that this MSM6275 chipset can manage the camrecorder, GPS, 3G telephony, video and a looooong list of features. I don't knwo how the video stuff link with the ATI Imageon video chipset inside our X7500 but... just access the webpage and read it by yourselves... For sample the MSM6275 contains an ARM core 926 itself so our machine is kind of dual proccesor:
624 MHz PXA270-series ("Bulverde") XScale applications processor
Qualcomm MSM6275 baseband processor
Anyway the combination of Qualcomm MSM6275 and ATI Imageon looks quite common since has been used by HTC in many machines like P3600 and P3300 and our X7500.
So...
1) Forget about Sirf StarIII on our X7500 (and Dopod U1000, Ameos... etc)
2) A big bow to rhedgehog... You were right we were wrong.
3) A question to the manual makers from Ameo, Dopod and HTC... why you mention there Sirf StarIII???? I don't understand that yet.
Offtopic: Another finding... The HTC Kaiser is not running with MSM6275 like ours Athenas... is running MSM7200 which is newer and add support to HSUPA (an evolution of HSDPA) that is suppoused to improve the upload traffic instead only the download (the U and the D on HSUPA and HSDPA).
Best regards,
mahjong
mahjong said:
Hmmmm... using SirfTech on my X7500 I cannot get Sirf data...
One point for rhedgehog
EDIT: I changed to Sirf protocol using SirfTech and now I cannot access any GPS data. Recerting the change to NMEA using the same program doesn't solve the problem. What a mess!!! A warning: This doesn't looks a Sirf to me so don't mess around with Sirf programs by now.
I will keep everyone informed... let see if I manage to come my GPS back into live.
You see rhedgehog? I learned the hard way. :-DDD :-(((
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Only just came across this thread - if I had seen it earlier I would have warned you - we found out the hard way some months ago that the GPS doesn't like being treated as a a SirfStar III. There is a thread about this from several months ago.
mahjong said:
My X7500 has a Qualcomm MSM 6275 chipset. This information can be found on the Athena Service Manual. If you access the Qualcomm website and looks for this chipset you will eventually reach this page:
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A good source for detailed specs is pdadb.net - see PDAdb - Athena
It has the correct GPS details for the GPS.
Didn't HTC find that Sirf III used to much power so the ditched it in favour of the Qualcom set?
Maybe but the question is still there... Why they delivered the user manuals with such an error??? They shouldn't. I mean if you said this is Sirf StarIII and the you mess around with software and got your Athena "brick" you can blame on HTC because of the misinformation (hmmm... is that properly written?)
Best Regards,
mahjong
apd said:
A good source for detailed specs is pdadb.net - see PDAdb - Athena
It has the correct GPS details for the GPS.
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Not sure... looks at this three lines taken from that page:
Interfaces
Expansion Slots: miniSD, miniSDHC, SDIO
Serial: RS-232 , 115200bit/s
USB: USB 2.0 client, 480Mbit/s , USB Series Mini-B (mini-USB) connector
3 features... 3 errors.... You don't have SDIO slot in Athena. You don't have RS-232 interface. And as far as I know is not USB 2.0 but I doubt in this one. At least the USB host is 1.1 I'm sure about that.
But the rest of information is more accurate than other web sites.
Regards,
mahjong