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has anyone come across the problem that when you move to say 3g from gsm or back or you loose signal as your in a bad signal area and then get it back, the phone actually looses the radio says "operation failed" and relocks on to the signal?
mine will sometimes loose the signal need restarting and on the boot screen will show NOGSM when its clearly installed as it worked 20seconds ago. i have tried many types of radio rangeing from 1.07 to 1.41 and all their varients. i am at a loss why my phone just looses it and then forgets it has actually lost it untill i try to make a call or send an sms. no calls or sms's can be received by me whilst the phones done this and it does it a hell of a lot.
sometimes it also just looses the radio half way through a call or data call.
anyone got any ideas?
i have a m3100
IPL 1.04
bootloader 2.10oli
and the XDA live OS installed. however it does it on any OS i have tried so far. and thats alot of them.
Same for me.
Same problem for me.
Often I get the message "operation failed" or "the phone is not ready, wait 15 seconds and try again". Thought it was a problem with the new 1.38 radio, but it seems to be something different.
i also get all those error msg's. i have no idea how to fix it either and no 1 here seems to have a clue either :-(
i Had the same problem with mine it due to hardware i guess. Your phone might have fell down or something then this kind of problem starts I fixed mine by opening my phone up and fixed the arial part properly
torrentulla
is there a guide you follow for that or can you give me any tips to do it myself?
thanks
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torrentulla
is there a guide you follow for that or can you give me any tips to do it myself?
thanks
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I fixed my phone almost the same way as Torrentulla did. I'm my case it seems that something was damaged when I dropped my phone a few weeks back. I discovered that when I pushed at a spot right below the flashlight that the radio kept coming up all the time.
These are the steps I took to repair:
Remove all 4 screws (very small torx) at the back of your hermes
Remove back
Put a little piece of paper on the "pressure" spot
Put your phone back together
Turn it on and enjoy!
I hope you'll manage to fix yours aswell!
Phone sometimes shows No GSM, fails to ring
Hey guys, I posted this in the dead hermes thread, but decided to post it here as it's not really bricked. I think it may be a faulty component or something.
My phone was working fine this morning, then in the afternoon I noticed I would have to try to make a call 3 or 4 times before it would go through, it kept on giving me the error (Can't connect, or something along those lines).
Then, I checked my voicemail and found that I had 10 messages from people who had been trying to get in touch with me, but my phone hadn't been ringing.
The kicker came when I soft reset my phone and all of a sudden No GSM popped up! I soft reset it again, and it was gone, and worked fine for a couple of hours. Now its back to not ringing again.
I flashed radio 1.41.00.10 about a week ago, and have been running fine with no problems since. I haven't flashed any rom's in the past week, and this problem just started yesterday. No new software has been installed (except Pimp my black v0.1).
I don't know a lot about the radio, but I didn't think it could become corrupted during regular use, I thought you could only mess it up when you were flashing the phone. I wonder if there is something wrong with the radio? Could the hardware be faulty? This phone is about 8 months old and hasn't had any problems up to this date.
I'm going to flash radio 1.40.10.0 again and see if that makes a difference, but I'd like to know if anyone has any ideas as to what could be causing this.
Sorry this post was so long,
Thanks
-Kai
it seems i don't have a pressure point on mine as the radio is working as and when it likes. which is not alot
gotta sort it out somehow, will take it apart and see if theres anything obvious.
I have the same problem too, phone sometimes shows NO GSM on startup and sometimes it works. Here's where I posted : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=306073
Now its not even showing NO GSM it just says: NONE, NONE
Also, I noticed that it will only last about 6 hours on a full charge before the battery is absolutely dead.
I'm beginning to think that it may be my radio 1.41.00.10
It seems strange that all of these people are suddenly having this problem now.
Whats the warranty like on these devices? Is it a 1 years parts and defects warranty? Or is it some ****ty 90 day warranty?
As it is my phone is a piece of garbage, not worth using at all, I am very disapointed in it.
It's a hardware problem.
Hi guys,
I'm experiencing the same problems since two months and I've been struggling with all kind of OS, ROM, RADIO and bootloader, without even gettin close to solve them.
My phone randomly loads the RADIO (otherwise I get the "No Gsm" message), even when loaded, the connection is not suitable and my phone is often unreachable on the net. The battery life is very short because the phone always looses the signal and then seraches till he find it, before loosing it again.
So I disassembled my phone and did a lot of testing with hardware connections. I have found that the motherboard connection with the flash/scroll module isn't stable at all. You can easily move it and find that this affects the phone ability to load the RADIO. It seem strange but it's true. I can't solve the problem and I'm very upset with HTC because of their hardware components lack of quality. I would like to try to change the module to but I can't find a place where i can buy HTC hardware parts.
So I'm going to change my pda, I'll never buy HTC anymore.
Any help?
Has anyone figured out the problem? If it is hardware, what "pressure" spot is it? I tried, but wondered if I'm not in the right place.
In my case it was a spot right below the flash/scroll-part. As said earlier, i put a piece of paper on the spot and reassembled the phone. It still works excellent after a week!
My dopod can't connect to the mobile network as well, but only with the 3 network. It seems fine when being connected to an Optus network. Have you guys tried using a different network simcard?
I'm not sure if mine is a physical problem but maybe a setting which i need to configure so i can connect to a 3 network. Help anyone?
ROM version : Pro BLACK 3.0
ROM date : 01/04/07
Radio version : 1.41.00.10
mine also works just under the flash with the cover off, but if i hold it too hard then the screen goes all white and doesn't work, until i can get the case off its a hit and miss game at the moment.
thanks very much for the tips and help
Dan
Larrys said:
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So I'm going to change my pda, I'll never buy HTC anymore.
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I cannot agree with this more.
I am sick to death of this phone. I had one of the first in the country for normal sales and spent weeks arguing with HTC who flatly denied the screen alignment issue. EVENTUALLY I got them to fix this after referencing posts in this forum.
I continued to suffer the "coma" software issue - why is it so F*((&&^ dificult for a device to wake up when its auto-sleeped?
And finaly, to top it off, I have been suffering this problem. I cannot express how mad I am. Did I buy a cheap phone? NO. I have had nothing but problems with this phone and will NOT buy another HTC.
Oh and if anyone knows how to repair a failed Radio upgrade, please help me! I don't have any choice but to use it until the IMate Ultimates come out.
Due to seeing this radio problem I thought I would try downgrading the radio from 1.4.summint or other (the latest) to a slightly older version. This was of course before I saw this thread. During the downgrade the installer stopped at 15%. Now no matter what I do it sits at the IPL/SPL screen (3 colour bars+white). I have done the obvious i.e. follow the installers error procedure (remove the battery).
Device: HERM200
IPL-1.04
SPL-2.10.Olipro
Please help me be able to use this for another month or two at most - i hope!
Thanks guys
update:
OK Guys
thanks to this thread: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Unbrick
I now have it trying to boot the o/s. I get the message "No GSM" on the boot screen but when it boots up it asks me for my pin number and freezes. I guess its locking up because it has no "phone" part? According to the instructions in the other thread I am supposed to flash it again but I can't as the phone locks on boot.....
Any ideas?
*FINALY* got it back into pre-flash feck up situation. Sadly, this still leaves me with the hardware problem. HTC can go poke themselves until the cows come home. Im taking my money somewhere else.
i installed the XDA Windows mobile 6 about 3-4 months ago on my SPV M3100,
everything worked fine untill just lately it started displaying just a plain white screen, not bricked because if i rapped on the power button a few times it would display everything normally?
problem is it has started doing it more and more often untill lately it decided to completely go white - i found out the phone still works just a blank screen? also some of the mounted buttons stopped working at times and would work othertimes?
ive fully charged it, turned it on and plugged it into my pc but im not sure what to do?
is it something to do with XDA, maybe some kind of virus or should i literally re-install the orange windows mobile 5 and send it back?
any help would be great! - im in a bit of a pickle here
thanks -Edd
wm6 spv m3100 white screen
hi there
if anyone is following this thread, i too upgraded first to 4.01 as good as gold, then to 4.30, Schaps ROM's. all fine but then the white screens started in 4.3, in the end about 10-14 days i had to remove the battery to boot the unit, and only thrn with PSU/USB plugged in, so power issue?
anyway i pushed thorugh to 4.31 alls currently well, keep you posted
cheers in all others senses great work all round
cheers pete
Yep, I've got this issue with my HTC Hermes but it only manifested itself after the upgrade to WM6?!
Can you ALL please tell us what bootloader you are running?
I followed the online instructions for getting Schaps WM6 ROM on board for my SPV. I shall dig them out.
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Can you ALL please tell us what bootloader you are running?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=352857
Hi Folks
My Hermes/Tytn is an Orange M3100. Recently it has begun dropping calls, or rather, ignoring them. The caller could hear a ringing tone but the phone wouldn't switch on, show me an incomming call or anything. A short while later, usually after I'd switched it on (I mean, the screen, "off" is that it's on standby) I'd get the notification of a missed call. More often than not it would come through after I had made a call.
This reached a "point" on the weekend where I missed about 17 calls from the Agency to get work for me as I was the only one available
So. I upgraded as reccomended on here. Up to HardSPL 2.10, Radio version 1.41 and then upgraded to Schaps 4.22 WM6 Rom.
Now, I made sure that ActiveSync has connected and synchronised, and all my contacts and PIM info is in Outlook. However, A/S won't transmit the information to the PDA, even though it tells me it's synchronising.
The only way I have managed to get my PIM data/address book back onto the PDA was by running a custom SPB backup file to restore the calender, sms and phonebook.
This is where the fun starts. My PIM and Tasks then go "read only" merely by having a warning telling me I have no memory and to go and close other programs down. But there isn't anything else running!
Fine. Right. Ok. Obviously I've done something wrong. I did a hard reset this evening. It wiped all the data internally and reset it. I changed the details to match the username that was already stored in A/S and plugged it in.
It tells me "Connecting" and the green thing swirls around but doesn't actually do anything.
I have heard mention of the MTTY software, so I've got that here. But it won't allow me to connect on USB, only Com1, 2 or 3.
So I've a pretty useless phone at the moment. It's got none of my files on there, the satnav is rendered useless merely because I can't install the sod and all the other problems to go with it.
Short of screaming abuse at it and throwing it across the room I'm a bit stuffed. And I can't spend anymore time on it as I've got to be getting up for work at 4am (only finished tonight at 8pm ) for another full day
I've read the wiki, I've gone through the pages and pages and, er, pages of posts but I'm hitting a brick wall somewhere. I'm not as bright as you guys, but I get by.
TIA. Elwyn
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The device is no longer worthwhile for me and have spoken to Mike Channon over it. If you can change that or help me change it I would be grateful
Mikechannon is the main man when it comes to the hardware side of things, if it was an early bootloader issue (related to bad NAND blocks) then thats what i was questioning your SPL version about.
If mike is confident it is the hardware problem then id take his word for it, the guy rocks
/me has to get his mikechannon ass kissing back into shape again hehe.
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Mikechannon is the main man when it comes to the hardware side of things, if it was an early bootloader issue (related to bad NAND blocks) then thats what i was questioning your SPL version about.
If mike is confident it is the hardware problem then id take his word for it, the guy rocks
/me has to get his mikechannon ass kissing back into shape again hehe.
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Not entirely sure what it is yet. If WM6 wrote to the 'wrong' part of the memory, would reflashing back to WM5 fix this?! Is there a way of repairing NAND issues?
MrVanx, I looked in the original thread that I posted in about this issue and followed you're link. Not sure whether I did or didn't at the time, but I can see there are instructions for downgrading the ROM from 6 to 5. However I am now in the situation that I can't use the USB cable as it causes it to white screen, but probably could if I did it via memory card....
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hi there
sorry about lack of info i installed olipro 1.4 as per the instructions at the wiki i think. mine doesnt boot white, it turns white/fades to white when in use, or more commoinly i will press off after use, then later turn the unit on, and it will come white. first few times it si normal after 2nd on/off, then it stops completly requiring a hard boot, then that stops and it requires a battery off, then that stops. however it always seems to repsond when power connected, even if 100% charged or just off.
it feels to me like a power issue, still there in 4.31, wasnt there in 4.01, going back now to see if its hardware.
i will give as much info as you guys need, i got my phone from orange in may 2007
pete
white screen update
hello again
still on 4.31 activesync isnt playing at teh moment but anyway.
on the screen thing, if i leave the unit standby itself and then power back on it seems fine, so far 3 hours of good, no white screens.
thanks pete
hi there i face this problem with my imate jasjam sorry to tell you that but this problem is a hardware problem you be confirm that it hardware by push by your 2 fingers below the screen and above the keys like you catch"hold" something bush the power key again the white screen will be disappear .sorry if you don't understand me because of my English.
Hi everybody.
Anybody solved problem with white screen?
I have the same truble as EddTQ - White blank screen & also some of the mounted buttons stopped working rarely 2 week before white blank.
same problem here.
Maybe a radio problem?
Folks,
The problem you are describing sounds like the flex connector.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=321163&highlight=white+screen
This thread should give you some details. I had the same problem but phoned Orange who sent me out a new one in 9 hours!
exactly
What happes is exactly the problem explained by alkizmo ...
thanks.
Every time I reset or turn on my fone after shutting down, it will stuck at the logo boot up. It wasn't like that when I first bought the fone. Now it's getting worse and worse since the issue happens so frequently.
I have to take out the battery and put it back, then wait for about 3 to 5 mn before I turn the phone on.Then it would boot up as usual.
Is there anyone facing the same issue as I am? Any suggestion guys?
Are you experiencing excessive heat when this occurs? Also, can you give more info such as: does this happen only after recent charging or does it ever happen when the phone has been turned off for a long time? Was there any recent apps you installed or ROM changes when this started happening? Was there any potential damage done to the phone -dropped it, got it wet, or microwaved
When you say frequently, does that mean every time you restart? every other time? every five times?
Lastly, do you have any other issues/symptoms other than freezing at startup? Does the phone ever freeze during normal use?
i'd suggest you do a hard reset of your phone (hold down both vol up and vol down keys while powering on/resetting). that should fix the problem. if the problem still persists, it's probably some hardware faults.
Me too
My HD2 just started doing this too. It was fine for 7 weeks I have owned it. However, as described in this by OP, when doing soft reset would it would also get stuck on bootup logo. I'd have to remove the battery for a few minutes before it would bootup.
However, my HD2 also crashes and upon reboot then get stuck on bootup logo. It appears to crashes randomly eg not with any particular program or action.
I figured it was software issue so did hard reset. This worked fine. After hard reset the only software I loaded were Total Commander and Cookie Editor.
After Cookie Editor install I did soft reset and it got stuck on bootup logo. : (
So I did another hard reset but it hung up again upon reboot on bootup logo.
This appears to be a hardware issue. But has anyone else had same issue?
T-Mobile HD2
Stock ROM
Purchased July 6 2010 from Expansys
yes i am experiencing the same problem and i have uploded a video on youtube showing this! Yes my phone heats up when this happens..
Hi. I got this problem for quite sometime and am so used to taking out and putting back and taking out and putting back the batt.
But now I have another prob: my ringtone suddenly went soft and I now have to keep myself alert all the time to see if there's any incoming call or SMS.
I would like to do a hard reset but the question is: will it set my phone back to the stock ROM or still retain the updated version - 1.66.707.1?
Thanks in advance.
Stormrider75 said:
Hi. I got this problem for quite sometime and am so used to taking out and putting back and taking out and putting back the batt.
But now I have another prob: my ringtone suddenly went soft and I now have to keep myself alert all the time to see if there's any incoming call or SMS.
I would like to do a hard reset but the question is: will it set my phone back to the stock ROM or still retain the updated version - 1.66.707.1?
Thanks in advance.
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It will retain whatever rom you are using
Htc Hd2 vodafone UK
HD2 issue
After some more searching it appears this is not uncommon for HD2. Its not clear to me if it is specific to T-Mobile HD2 or HD2 in general.
It appears to be a hardware issue. Although that is not 100% clear either. I find it hard to distinguish what some people report as 'freezing' which i believe is different to the issue described in this post which is 'hanging up' or 'getting stuck' on boot up screen - in my case it is the T-Mobile 'stick together' pink and white screen/logo.
(The 'freezing' issue that i believe is different to this 'getting stuck on bootup logo' issue appeared to have been resolved iwth new T-Mobile ROM - and I never experienced it on my HD2).
The resolution for getting stuck on bootup screen issue described here appears to have been to exchange HD2 (although some people exchanged up to 6 times and keep getting same issue!)
I think it is important to note that my HD2 performed fine for 7 weeks with lots of soft resets, hard resets, and lots of software installs (though no ROM reflashing) but within last week or so, start crashing randomly, then upon reboot get stuck on bootup screen/logo. This also became more frequent as time progressed. After doing hard reboot, the issue is now acute, eg it gets stuck on every reboot, and crashes more often.
This leads me to think some hardware has failed or degraded and is getting worse, maybe a connection/soldering etc?
However, is there any possibility that a ROM could 'degrade'? Can a ROM have a setting that is modifiable? (I know it is 'read only memory' but is it really?)
Anyways, love to hear from others on this issue.
Same problem here. Bought my HD2 in june. Cooked my own rom with Chucky's kitchen. Flashed different radios, hard resets, task 29 etc. Absolutely no problem. Worked fine for several weeks. But sometime it begun to freeze, auto resets, stuck at boot logo. It was getting worse. Even flashing stock rom it hungs at boot logo.
Now my HD2 is out for repair. Now waiting for returning. Hope they will change the motherboard.
several people have had their motherboards replaced and that has seemed to fix it for them. You'll probably have to fight with htc or your carrier, but should be able to get it replaced.
Hi guys. Another question:
I'm considering doing a hard reset. How do I store my messages before doing it? I can't seem to locate the folder that keeps all my messages.
TIA.
HD2 is an odd one
Thanks for replies. I really don't want to send it in .. but it will probably be the only way to resolve the issue. It will cost me courier there and back, and $20 'triage' fee .. total cost to me will be ~$100 just to have them look at it. Price of doing business I guess.
Anyways, I realized that one of my issues was that it was crashing when syncing. A little digging reveals that HTC Sense does something to all contacts when syncing first time putting a bit of html in contact notes field (weird but it is true .. its their way of reminding you bought an HTC phone?) So once I got it up and running, I disabled Sense and syncing went fine, no crashing.
(Btw, Sense also appears to do something with SMS msgs too so if you have lots it crashes on due to this reason too).
However, even with plain Jane MS today screen (eg not using Sense) it still crashed once on sync and again when listening to radio. Both times had to remove battery for few minutes before it would reboot without getting stuck at bootup logo.
But so far it seemed to be working 'better' without using Sense.
So, I re-enabled Sense to see what would happen and over a day it has crashed twice. I am going to see how it behaves for few days before sending it in as RMA repair.
Still, important point is that it was ok for 7 weeks, and then started crashing, more and more, even after hard reset, though some of issues may have been due to Sense (which is reported by many users).
It is still not a 'normal' thing for a $700 consumer device to have such erratic behaviour. So, given others have exchanged crashing handsets for new handset that has no issues points to underlying hardware issues as suggested above eg motherboard.
As comparison I also have HTC Diamond 2 which has been rock solid for 2 years of continuous use even with lots of software install, tweaking, reg hacks, etc.
Stormrider75 said:
Hi guys. Another question:
I'm considering doing a hard reset. How do I store my messages before doing it? I can't seem to locate the folder that keeps all my messages.
TIA.
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I don't text a lot so i just hard reset without saving .. but do a quick search on on XDA for SMS backup or PIM backup .. during my searches I am sure i have seen a couple of utilities that do what you want.
genoki said:
I don't text a lot so i just hard reset without saving .. but do a quick search on on XDA for SMS backup or PIM backup .. during my searches I am sure i have seen a couple of utilities that do what you want.
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Thanks. Btw I read before we can actually 'disable' Sense.
How do we do that?
Sense - go to Today
Go to Start - Settings
- iI you see the black HTC Settings (has 'Personalize' on top of items) then go to Menu and select 'All Settings' (this will show Windows Mobile's Settings. HTC Sense 'Settings' doesn't everything Windows Mobile Settings has or shows it differently)
- Select 'Today'
- Select the 'Items' tab in Today
- Check 'Windows Default' and click OK in top right.
This will 'swap' out HTC Sense 'today' with Windows Mobile standard Today screen and voila you will have 'disabled' HTC Sense and you are back to using Microsoft's Windows Mobile 6.5 version of Sense (not anywhere near as useful or neat-o to look at but hey they are pretty happy with it )
genoki said:
However, even with plain Jane MS today screen (eg not using Sense) it still crashed once on sync and again when listening to radio. Both times had to remove battery for few minutes before it would reboot without getting stuck at bootup logo.
But so far it seemed to be working 'better' without using Sense.
So, I re-enabled Sense to see what would happen and over a day it has crashed twice. I am going to see how it behaves for few days before sending it in as RMA repair.
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Just by disabling Sense is not going to make it work. I had this problem with my HD2 also and without using Sense it seemed to be working (there were fewer crashes), but only for few days. My HD2 was getting worse day by day - it was not crashing only if it was not touched (it was crashing just cycling between Sense tabs or by initiating a call).
At repair center they told me (after three weeks of waiting) that the motherboard must to be changed.
Is it possible to damage it by flashing custom ROMs?
For me, this problem appeared after just one month of usage. I was flashed some custom ROMs.
Now, I have a new HD2 but I'm affraid to flash a custom ROM (at least in the near future).
I have my HD2 back. Took me 2 weeks, the repair center changed the motherboard and got an new IMEI.
Now all is working, no more stuck at bootlogo.
But i'm on stock rom (1.66) with 2.07 radio. No way to run Android with this radio. Hmm...
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Is it possible to damage it by flashing custom ROMs?
For me, this problem appeared after just one month of usage. I was flashed some custom ROMs.
Now, I have a new HD2 but I'm affraid to flash a custom ROM (at least in the near future).
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I'm afraid as well to flash any custom rom now. For Android i need to HSPL and flash a 2.08 radio or greater to use it. But i'm stick on stock rom for sure.
I want to know as well if it possible to damage it by flashing customs roms ?
As i stated earlier, i flashed plenty of roms, doing task 29 etc., in the end stuck on bootlogo.
Thanks for the feedback on your repairs axman79 and Kalip. Btw, aside from courier cost there and back, did you have to pay the $30 'triage' fee or whatever they call it? Also, did they challenge your observations at all or did they just replace motherboard without question?
Yah, disabling Sense hasn't stopped my HD2 from crashing eith. Without using Sense it crashed several times while using Opera and more than a few times while syncing over the past three days. Also, it still gets stuck on reboot often, requiring battery to be removed for few minutes before rebooting.
So, guess I will send my HD2 in for RMA repair too (and wait for up to 3 weeks) and hope I get a functioning device in return.
Interesting though I didn't flash my HD2 but it went from 'good' to 'bad' in similar way that your two HD2's. From reading other posts around here on XDA and elsewhere it appears that HD2 motherboards fail with surprising frequency and for variety of reasons.
Would be nice to know if HD2 motherboards are unusually delicate and something physically breaks, or if there is some electrical operation, eg charging it on USB or unusual combination of button pushes that shorts something out?
The fact that battery has to be removed for few minutes in order to get thing to reboot hints that something requires charge to dissipate eg a component somehow 'locks up' which causes crash, and needs to be discharged by removing battery?
genoki said:
Thanks for the feedback on your repairs axman79 and Kalip. Btw, aside from courier cost there and back, did you have to pay the $30 'triage' fee or whatever they call it? Also, did they challenge your observations at all or did they just replace motherboard without question?
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Was flashing stock rom with stock SPL, was at the shop where i bought it and they send it. I told them it stucks at bootlogo. Repair center changed motherboard without any question. Cost me nothing.
genoki said:
Also, it still gets stuck on reboot often, requiring battery to be removed for few minutes before rebooting.
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Ja ja, same here.
genoki said:
So, guess I will send my HD2 in for RMA repair too (and wait for up to 3 weeks) and hope I get a functioning device in return.
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Yes you will, but dont forget to flash back stock rom regarding SPL !
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Interesting though I didn't flash my HD2 but it went from 'good' to 'bad' in similar way that your two HD2's. From reading other posts around here on XDA and elsewhere it appears that HD2 motherboards fail with surprising frequency and for variety of reasons.
Would be nice to know if HD2 motherboards are unusually delicate and something physically breaks, or if there is some electrical operation, eg charging it on USB or unusual combination of button pushes that shorts something out?
The fact that battery has to be removed for few minutes in order to get thing to reboot hints that something requires charge to dissipate eg a component somehow 'locks up' which causes crash, and needs to be discharged by removing battery?
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I want to know as well !
hey guys. I am so glad I found this post! I have exact same issues ith my HD2, it's driving me nuts.
I kept sort of log and described my problems in this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712729
I think I have to send my HD2 for replacement or repair.
Can you please tell me how can I get my phone fixed/replaced?
I got the US T-Mobile version, but I don't have account in T-Mobile. Can I deal directly with HTC? Where do I have to call to get RMA number etc.
I would greatly appreciate your help!
KML
Hello all, I have decided to catalog all of the missing icons and rebooting issues into one spot as I have just received a new phone from Toshiba because my old phone repeatedly rebooted upon boot... and now my new phone is repeatedly rebooting upon boot, which is the same thing that my old phone did! Also, I can't remember how I solved the "missing icons from programs installed on SD card problem" but I have that same problem again. Now, I live in Japan, I have tried most of the radios, could living in Japan cause my phone to reboot? Like could the radio when it is trying to connect to the tower not like the signal and then fux up n' reboot? I need help, I know Kevin P. White played around with this issue, I know that most of the people on this board had this issue at one time or another. Any ideas friends?
SD Card Missing Icons Issue & Problems loading apps installed on SD Card
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578834
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7262188#post7262188
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9046202&highlight=ffboy#post9046202
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7046845&highlight=ffboy#post7046845
http://www.modaco.com/content/toshiba-tg01-tg01-modaco-com/303742/problem-installing-apps-to-sd-card/
http://www.modaco.com/content/toshiba-tg01-tg01-modaco-com/298349/tg01-freeze-on-programs-installed-on-sd/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=691011&highlight=icons
Rebooting Issue
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=648809
I tell you, if someone can help me with the rebooting issue, it would be so much appreciated. It is so frickin’ annoying to have the phone just almost boot up, then freeze for about 2-3 minutes before rebooting, then it will do this 3-4 times before it is stable. Someone else has to have this problem as I just got a brand spankin' new phone from Toshiba, and I still am experiencing the same problems that I did before. Thank you,
What the hell am I doing wrong? It must be my fault right?... I mean... There is no way that two phones from Toshiba could be having the same problem, so what am I doing that very few other people are doing?
I have tried using all of my stupid skills to come up with a solution, but... no avail. I need help.
-Kilimessed.
PS: I will fix this problem, this post will catalog all of the known issues and fixes with this device, I can promise you, I will fix this basterd.
[UPDATE] - Trying one of FFBOY's roms [ROM][ENG]FFBOY'S WM6.5 21914+Manila 20161332!Radio5005.1700.05!8/8 - I read in one of those posts that he uses a different SD Card driver. Will report back later.
[UPDATE2] - It is later now, I do not have an SD card problem anymore, FFBOY's rom has definitly solved that issue, however, the rebooting problem still persists. It will begin to boot, just past the splash screen, then freeze for 10seconds to 2minutes depending upon the barametric pressure at that time... ehheeh.. **** ... i donno.. but.. anyways.. if someone can help me with the rebooting problem, that would be much apreciated. Ok, so I have done the following, I have removed the SD card and the SIM card but it still freezes/reboots 2-3 times before loading windows. Anyone else here having the same issue?
The solution to all these issues is simple : Don't install your applications onto the SD Card.
Once you've moved everything into the phone memory, you'll find it all works much better !
What about the cycle boot freeze problem? Oh man, I would give anything to have my stupid phone boot properly!... Again, it will freeze 2-3 times, then it will boot properly, it doesn't matter if there is no sim card and/or sd card installed at the time. Anyone experienced this?
Hi Kilihari! I had a similar problem with my TG01. I'm not firm in programming windows mobile, so I can't give you an advice in this direction...
but when that occured on my TG (plus freezing phone when press slightly on the backside of it), I sent it to the Toshiba-service partner for warranty - and got it back, still having the same problem -freezing after light pressure on the back-cover and independent from that (occured before) recycling boot (only 30% of the boot-trials worked properly). So I recorded a video with the problems and sent it back to Toshiba service the next day...
The result: My phone received a new motherboard, new IMEI etc. Which one of the two faults was the cause for replacement...i don't know, but maybe the recycling boot is rather a hardware-fault-caused problem than software-caused...
Good luck in finding a solution!
mcmurzen
i ther, I have not had a problem with rebooting but I do get the missing icons quite a lot.
I find that using Sense roms is fine, I assume that while Sense is loading the system has more time to scan the sd card and load the icons. But this has a knock on effect on both memory and battery life.
I did find a rom somewhere (cant remember which one) which had a very lengthy boot/startup animation and the icons appeard fine. But it took a while to load so I changed this to a more traditional logo and the icons dissapeared.
I uninstalled this but the icons never came back and I did read that by changing the startup wait times this could also fix the problem so I tried experimenting and trashed my TG01 and I had to hard reset to clear and since then I have not 'experimented' since.
If someone has some spare time on their hands and dosent mind all the reboots they may find an answer but in the end I had to make customised icons and use JWD icon changer
Thanks guys for your help, I am sending my phone back to Toshiba, I will do this up again, I will pay for it, I don't care, I got to get this fixed.
Good luck and keep us posted
Problem Solved!!!!
Good news.
So I decided to give it one last shot, to try just one more time to get my phone working properly. I turned it on and preformed a “Master Clear” on my phone, stock Toshiba ROM freshly downloaded from their website, just to give it one more shot. I didn’t want to take out my SIM card from my secondary ASUS phone so I just took the pre-paid “Pay-as-you-go” SIM card from Softbank Mobile here in Japan (we use it sometimes when we have company over from Canada). A very interesting thing happened... right from the very beginning, I noticed that my phone was much more responsive and stable, I noticed that it didn’t freeze or reboot. It was perfect. The radio for the Japanese Docomo T01a is 5005.1901.1.20 which must make it possible for it to work with Japanese SIM cards, of course the new radio for UK Orange is 5001.0001.76. My "pay-you-go" SIM card looks like the previous generation's SIM, whereas my official Softbank SIM card looks newer. Anyways, the pay-as-you go SIM works, well the other SIM worked too, but this time my phone doesn't reboot, IT IS STABLE!!!! Meaning my phone is good. If anyone would like me to go further and take some photos of the SIMs, I can, just so if anyone encounters this problem ever again, we now have some additional information for the people in this community. If someone is experiencing the same problem as I am, you can just get a pay-as-you-go card or use a different carrier’s card and it might work, but the rebooting at boot and random freezes are not caused because of defect in my phone.
WoW.... I can't believe after a year and a half of pain, misery, and suffering, that it all came down to a stupid pay-as-you-go SIM card... also, my phone still froze without a SIM card in it, but after I had put in the pay-as-you-go SIM card, then it froze one more time, but the second time it booted, and then after it booted properly, then it has been good ever since, even without a SIM… now it is good. I can't believe this... honestly can't believe this. Even if it reboots once a day, there is no problem with that, but it has been totally stable... holy ****.... holy crap, it hasn’t rebooted in a whole DAY!!!! Moral of the story, buying a phone from a different country has issues related to it. EHEEHHEEHH.. Ummm... weirdest thing, ok, so, it seems like the pay-as-you-go card updated something in my phone or, allowed something to update. Then I put in my normal SIM card and all is good. When my phone starts to act funny, then I pop back in the pay-as-you-go SIM card for a minute, then turn off my phone and then put back in my normal Softbank SIM card. WOW!!
Also, Supbro's iContacts, iDialer, GreenButton and Ashiqiqbal's Host v1.5 are awesome programs... I feel like a kid in a candy story who has been held back savoring the sweet smells of the candy for over a year, I am now just installing program after program on this phone, just playing with things, eating all the candy!
-kilisoefenhappy
Hi All,
This thread will serve many purposes.
As some of you might have noticed I was absent on these forums for about 3 weeks now. I have just logged in today with a LOT to reply to in different threads. I will try to reply to all those threads as I go along this weekend, but will start off here.
I had presented earlier my issue of TG01 freezing. I could not solve it. No solution was to be found. I contacted Orange, they agreed to replace it for a 'refurbished' handset. Happy days (or so did I think!).
Next day a refurbished handset was sent out. I noticed no issue with it and after 30 minutes or so, it froze! Restarted and froze again! All I could do was call Orange from my landline, explain them the issue - I suspected it was either my SIM card or my SD card - and so did they. So I tried to remove everything and only insert battery and start my phone. Shockingly, it froze and restarted! However, Orange call centre did nothing but blame me on inserting a faulty SD card in first place!
After about an hour's arguements and explainations, they agreed to send me another replacement - this time again refurbished and I agreed on NOT inserting anything but battery to it when it arrives. Next day I just inserted my battery. To my horror, phone froze again giving me an error 'Problem occured with Shell32.exe' - so I called Orange and told them about this when my phone had repeated the process of freezing and restarting for about 4-5 times. Again, they went through diagnostic tests, asked me if I inserted my SD card or SIM card and I said 'No I din't' - so I was told the phone my act this way because of my SIM not in my phone - I should always let TG01 recognise the SIM else it will freeze - That statement MADE NO SENSE to me, but I did as I was told. Nothing worked. So they agreed on sending handset replacement -3 !!
Cutting the long story short - I have had handset replacements - 5 by today!! And all of them froze with or without SIM, SD card! One of the customer service rep did point out that it might be the 'faulty handsets' that were being refused by customers in earlier sales (I presume he meant when SD card issues were found with 6.1 ROMS). All these 5 replacements have proved that it's definitely from Orange's handset side that the fault is re-appearing.
Based on the comment by cust. serv. rep, I am assuming it could be:
a) Firmware issue?
b) Hardware issue?
Now, I haven't researched enough, but in earlier phase, was there an issue with actual hardware? Did Toshiba change anything after those 6.1 call quality and freezing issues? As far as I knew all they did was give us an update with better radio and better OS. Please correct me here!
Could these phones be freezing due to bad flash from Orange's side? Could it be due to faulty radios? I have tried flashing my own ROMs as well as those cooked by others in this forum, but haven't been able to test any as even with cooked roms the phone froze!!
I called about 2 hours ago, and Orange have offered me - DMR (Different Model Replacement) as they think it's TG01 that is causing problem. Guess what did they offer me? A LG GT505 - heard of that? No? Well, neither had I! They said this is THE ONLY phone that is CLOSEST in the market to the specifications, cost and make of TG01 - this made me burst with laughter and anger!! How ignorant is that! I argued for 2 hours going point by point what our TG01 has and what LG doesn't! But all in vain, and there was no compensation offered, no discount on line rental offered, but only a straight question - do you want this LG phone or not?
I haven't been able to use my phone for more than 12-15 minutes constantly in last 3 weeks and sadly I don't think I would be able to for few more months. I don't have the heart that will let me swap TG01 for LG GT505!
In summation after this LONG rant, all I am saying is -
a) I won't be able to release any more ROMs - I was working on three of them.
b) I will be happy to support any developments I have committed to as of now - but I won't be able to test them. So they will all be 'BETA'
c) I won't be able to share this TG01 device for development solely because it's unfit for any sort of testing or development as of now.
d) I am happy to continue finishing my three roms I have been working on since last release and also help in further TG01 development as far as there are enough BETA TESTER who are ready to test them on their device with their own responsibility.
e) This might be my unexpected good-bye to TG01, but not to the community I hope (well, only till I sort out some money for another second hand TG01 that might work on Orange)
f) PLEASE PLEASE Don't go for Orange for any contracts - Especially if you expect to fall in love with your device!
Any suggestion, comments that might help me deal with Orange or come out of this misery, are most welcome.
I am sorry for not being able to respond to your queries (in my PM) and to your posts in various threads - am on it now!
drupad2drupad said:
I had presented earlier my issue of TG01 freezing. I could not solve it. No solution was to be found. I contacted Orange, they agreed to replace it for a 'refurbished' handset. Happy days (or so did I think!).
Next day a refurbished handset was sent out. I noticed no issue with it and after 30 minutes or so, it froze! Restarted and froze again! All I could do was call Orange from my landline, explain them the issue - I suspected it was either my SIM card or my SD card - and so did they. So I tried to remove everything and only insert battery and start my phone. Shockingly, it froze and restarted! However, Orange call centre did nothing but blame me on inserting a faulty SD card in first place!
After about an hour's arguements and explainations, they agreed to send me another replacement - this time again refurbished and I agreed on NOT inserting anything but battery to it when it arrives. Next day I just inserted my battery. To my horror, phone froze again giving me an error 'Problem occured with Shell32.exe' - so I called Orange and told them about this when my phone had repeated the process of freezing and restarting for about 4-5 times. Again, they went through diagnostic tests, asked me if I inserted my SD card or SIM card and I said 'No I din't' - so I was told the phone my act this way because of my SIM not in my phone - I should always let TG01 recognise the SIM else it will freeze - That statement MADE NO SENSE to me, but I did as I was told. Nothing worked. So they agreed on sending handset replacement -3 !!
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Hi.
Did I understand You correctly, they sent You 3 times refurbished unit, different unit each time or it was still Your unit but "fixed" ?
Regards
fxdjacentyfxd
fxdjacentyfxd said:
Hi.
Did I understand You correctly, they sent You 3 times refurbished unit, different unit each time or it was still Your unit but "fixed" ?
Regards
fxdjacentyfxd
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No!
They sent me '5' times refurbished unit - different unit. Not mine one that was fixed. I was keepint track of IMEI number as I read somewhere on forums about their dodgy dealings. So it was different IMEI number each time i.e. different device - but same problem!
Only thing common was - it was 'updated to 6.5' by Orange.
Glad to have you back on the forum Drupad !
Dont forget to Hard Reset after a ROM Flash! Or after you first recieve it. thatis appaling from Orange. Demand a NEW phone. Not a refurbished. Also that LG is no where near to the TG01 standard. it has only HVGA screen, resisitive touch screen, 600mhz. They call that a worthy tg01 compeitor? I heard a while back they were offering HTC heros. But stay on this forum, don't leave us! haha.. Hope you get your problems solved mate.
drupad2drupad said:
No!
They sent me '5' times refurbished unit - different unit. Not mine one that was fixed. I was keepint track of IMEI number as I read somewhere on forums about their dodgy dealings. So it was different IMEI number each time i.e. different device - but same problem!
Only thing common was - it was 'updated to 6.5' by Orange.
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I suspect that "refurbrished" units are simply damaged or rather bricked units returned by other users and Orange did not do anything with them.
Maybe You should contact Toshiba UK like user 'El Diablo' http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11076193&postcount=30
Regards
fxdjacentyfxd
olyloh6696 said:
Glad to have you back on the forum Drupad !
Dont forget to Hard Reset after a ROM Flash! Or after you first recieve it. thatis appaling from Orange. Demand a NEW phone. Not a refurbished. Also that LG is no where near to the TG01 standard. it has only HVGA screen, resisitive touch screen, 600mhz. They call that a worthy tg01 compeitor? I heard a while back they were offering HTC heros. But stay on this forum, don't leave us! haha.. Hope you get your problems solved mate.
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I was so pissed off and mental exhausted - I have had 3 sim card replacements (at first even after me shouting that it's not SIM, it's my phone - they wanted me to 'try' sims) and then 5 handset replacements. After I got each of these items my problem persisted so I called 'technical support' to sort me out - but even after nearly 90 to 120 minutes of diagnostic tests daily, all they did was send out 'another' sim or phone! This just drained me and since I could not even use it as a phone, let alone development - my absense to this forum!
I will try to be back and answer most generic queries which won't need use of my TG01, as I won't rely on my TG01 for now till I know it's fixed!
BTW, they think LG GT505 is THE ONLY competitor of TG01 or I should pay £495 + agree to another 24 months contract and get the phone of my choice! - how convenient.
fxdjacentyfxd said:
I suspect that "refurbrished" units are simply damaged or rather bricked units returned by other users and Orange did not do anything with them.
Maybe You should contact Toshiba UK like user 'El Diablo' http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11076193&postcount=30
Regards
fxdjacentyfxd
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I have already wrote an email to Toshiba UK and Orange Executive Office last night, and will hope to get some feedback on how to resolve the issue somewhere in next week. I very much agree to your doubt that at Orange it's been 'overlooked' - they make it shiny and nice looking but original fault in the handset is not resolved at all.
i.e. two handsets had issues with speakers - probably customers returned them due to bad speakers.
one handset had loosly aligned or highly damaged screen and if I press at the bottom of screen, my top bar was automatically responding - even screen alignment din't help!
drupad2drupad said:
I was so pissed off and mental exhausted - I have had 3 sim card replacements (at first even after me shouting that it's not SIM, it's my phone - they wanted me to 'try' sims) and then 5 handset replacements. After I got each of these items my problem persisted so I called 'technical support' to sort me out - but even after nearly 90 to 120 minutes of diagnostic tests daily, all they did was send out 'another' sim or phone! This just drained me and since I could not even use it as a phone, let alone development - my absense to this forum!
I will try to be back and answer most generic queries which won't need use of my TG01, as I won't rely on my TG01 for now till I know it's fixed!
BTW, they think LG GT505 is THE ONLY competitor of TG01 or I should pay £495 + agree to another 24 months contract and get the phone of my choice! - how convenient.
I have already wrote an email to Toshiba UK and Orange Executive Office last night, and will hope to get some feedback on how to resolve the issue somewhere in next week. I very much agree to your doubt that at Orange it's been 'overlooked' - they make it shiny and nice looking but original fault in the handset is not resolved at all.
i.e. two handsets had issues with speakers - probably customers returned them due to bad speakers.
one handset had loosly aligned or highly damaged screen and if I press at the bottom of screen, my top bar was automatically responding - even screen alignment din't help!
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That is appalling.. I've always been dissapointed wig Orange customer support. They are not techinical at all. What about that replacement TG01 you said you were getting.? Have you received it yet? You could check if it has problems with it. I hope the executive of Orange will compensate you for the trouble. I would day a brand new TG01 + cash compensation. They shouldn't be supplying faulty devices. I hope it all goes well for you.. Best of luck!
Hi Drupad2drupad
II know how you feel, I ditched Orange years ago and I am on Pay as you go and get my handsets from http://uk.webuy.com/ grade B or grade A
Anyway my TG01 also freezes a lot and occasionally will not switch on at all so this is what I have found.
If you are using the original 8Gb card supplied with the TG01 from Orange then buy a new one as there are loads of posts of people reporting corruption on those cards.
I say this because when my TG01 refuses to switch on I have to take out both my sim card and sd card then run a scandisk on the card from my laptop then my TG01 will boot (no errors reported from scandisk)
Secondly I have found nearly all the 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 roms keep freezing on me, or my TG01 wont wake up. 6.5 is quite good and I have never had a freeze using 6.1
So my advice just to see if your TG01 will work is to get a decent card first and download the stock Orange rom and flash using this then hard reset then download FFBoys 6.1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=679530 and when this completes do a hard reset again and see how this works
Remember to ensure your battery is 100% first.
I know you will not want to stay on 6.1 but if this works then your TG01 is probably ok and go from there.
Keep us posted and good luck.
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Someone (cant recall who) made a blank or empty rom for the TG01 especially for users suffering problems after flashing. Once loaded you have to re-flash using the pin method but I remember the developer saying something like 'as this is empty it will case your TG01 to reformat its internal memory' as 'fragmented' memory (I think that's what they called it) caused the reflash to not correctly overwrite the memory
This causes problems as other users for different devices agree about the factory rom first then custom rom afterwards.
olyloh6696 said:
That is appalling.. I've always been dissapointed wig Orange customer support. They are not techinical at all. What about that replacement TG01 you said you were getting.? Have you received it yet? You could check if it has problems with it. I hope the executive of Orange will compensate you for the trouble. I would day a brand new TG01 + cash compensation. They shouldn't be supplying faulty devices. I hope it all goes well for you.. Best of luck!
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I don't know why I ended up renewing my contract with Orange in first place! Oh I know, because ONLY orange sold this lovely TG01s!!
They don't talk anything more than what it says on their screens! Even the 'technical support' isn't technical! Probably a newbie on XDA can give out more details than that!
Yes I received that handset same day. The executive office - NO REPLY. Toshiba Europe, asked me to send this phone to Toshiba repair centre - however, this will cost me if it's not included in Orange 'warranty'. So I called Orange and they warned me NOT TO send it to anyone at Toshiba or anywhere else directly and bloated some legal lines to me! = I have no phone now! They are still on about the same thing - take the LG GT505 - it's BETTER than TG01.
So far - Orange cust service - not ready to even wave off my line rental for the days I haven't used my phone at all (since mid Jan till today - appox 22 days and I have successfully sent 12 text msgs and used 2 minutes 28 seconds of talk time!!) - reason being - rest of the hours it's freezing, restarting!
Orange exec office - no one has bothered replying, but when I called, the number doesn't seem to be answered at all!
Toshiba - thinks the handset that behaves this way is 'faulty' and needs to be sent to repair centre to 'confirm' and 'repair' - but with £20-£40 of charges involved even if phone isn't repaired!
dr_strangetrick said:
Hi Drupad2drupad
II know how you feel, I ditched Orange years ago and I am on Pay as you go and get my handsets from http://uk.webuy.com/ grade B or grade A
Thanks for this useful link -looks good!
Anyway my TG01 also freezes a lot and occasionally will not switch on at all so this is what I have found.If you are using the original 8Gb card supplied with the TG01 from Orange then buy a new one as there are loads of posts of people reporting corruption on those cards.I say this because when my TG01 refuses to switch on I have to take out both my sim card and sd card then run a scandisk on the card from my laptop then my TG01 will boot (no errors reported from scandisk)
I have at numerous occassions already tried to use (more than 5 different handsets) without any SD card inserted - not mine, not theirs - and it still freezes - So I reckon it's not the SD card issue, but I so wish it was and then at least it would be solved!
Secondly I have found nearly all the 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 roms keep freezing on me, or my TG01 wont wake up. 6.5 is quite good and I have never had a freeze using 6.1So my advice just to see if your TG01 will work is to get a decent card first and download the stock Orange rom and flash using this then hard reset then download FFBoys 6.1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=679530 and when this completes do a hard reset again and see how this works. Remember to ensure your battery is 100% first. I know you will not want to stay on 6.1 but if this works then your TG01 is probably ok and go from there. Keep us posted and good luck.
All the ROMs I have used and I have cooked - mostly have been 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 - and I have never faced any issues before. However, I have tried flashing 6.1 FFBoy's ROM, stock rom 6.5, orange debranded by aragon, orange debranded by kevinpwhite and all of my roms, few miroms - but it freezes irrespective of what rom i flash - I have even hard reset my phone i.e. vol up + power + camera exercise.
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Someone (cant recall who) made a blank or empty rom for the TG01 especially for users suffering problems after flashing. Once loaded you have to re-flash using the pin method but I remember the developer saying something like 'as this is empty it will case your TG01 to reformat its internal memory' as 'fragmented' memory (I think that's what they called it) caused the reflash to not correctly overwrite the memory. This causes problems as other users for different devices agree about the factory rom first then custom rom afterwards.
This in particular sounds very new and exciting to me - and might work, however all the searches I have done in google and XDA - gave me no results for blank or empty TG01 rom. Do you mean a clean rom or a stock rom? If so I have tried that
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Cant find that blank/zero rom but I know I've seen it somewhere around here but it was nearly 9 months ago (not sure when it was originaly posted)
If I come across it I will let you know, unless any other members can remember this?
Toshiba 6.5 Rom
Not sure if this helps but I installed the 6.5 rom from the Toshiba site as soon as it came available, as a legit download and have had no issues with freezing at all.
Any newsfrom a new TG?
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Any newsfrom a new TG?
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So here I am!
Sent an email to the executive office - someone called me back today.
Guess what? They offered me EXACTLY same offers that the call centre offered me and I quote their last line:
"Orange can only offer you LG GT505 as different model replacement - as this is VERY similar to TG01 phone you want. You can either agree to take it or use the current TG01 which you are not happy with. We will no longer encourage discussion"
I am gobsmacked and have no idea what to say!
However, I have asked them to put this in writing in response to my email and have said I will be taking up to Trading Standards as they should not be sending out 'replacement handset' which keep freezing at first place!
She replied: "Yes that's fine, I will respond to your email, but we cannot be held liable if you are not happy with your handset"
After that we have been emailing each other till today. There are string of emails where we cannot solve this issue. I have been told, they won't offer me compensation because I have used their services. Obviously I have used services, by borrowing phones from friends, finding Orange compatible old phones and inserting my SIM inside. How can they expect the customer to NOT use the SIM even though he is paying the line rental for this phone!
They also claimed that Orange Line rental is for the airtime and not the handset- which clearly isn't true - else iPhone, Windows Phone 7 and Nokia 3200 would all be sold on a price plan at same price!! They still claimed it's got nothing to do with handset. If I am not happy with the quality of replacement TG01, as a good will gesture they will offer me 'LG GT505' and no other phone. I take it or leave it. I raised the complaint to CISAS - but was told that since it's an equipment fault they won't get involved. They adviced me to contact consumer direct or trading standard. I opted for trading standard who asked me to contact consumer standard first then trading direct if it's unresolved.
I contact consumer direct and they think under the Sales of Good Act, I should be allowed a working replacement and if that doesn't help then I should be given compensation - So I am going to write to Orange with all these and see what is the response and then I have been adviced to take this to small claims court.
Phew, all this for a working TG01! Don't I just love my TG01!
By the way technical guys out there:
I have been able to find a work around - If I keep my phone in flight mode for about 60-65 minutes after a soft reset and then remove flight mode - it doesn't freeze for 5-6 hours!! If I do a soft reset, don't keep it in flight mode, then it freezes every 10-12 minutes!
Obviously I have a work around now, but why should I keep my phone switched off for 60 minutes every time!! - Does anyone have a reason behind why it happens like this? Could it be something to do with network? SIM? (I have had 3 SIM replacements already)? Battery? It's definitely not memory card, as I have nothing in that slot.
Anyone with any ideas or experience is more than welcome to help me
drupad2drupad said:
By the way technical guys out there:
I have been able to find a work around - If I keep my phone in flight mode for about 60-65 minutes after a soft reset and then remove flight mode - it doesn't freeze for 5-6 hours!! If I do a soft reset, don't keep it in flight mode, then it freezes every 10-12 minutes!
Obviously I have a work around now, but why should I keep my phone switched off for 60 minutes every time!! - Does anyone have a reason behind why it happens like this? Could it be something to do with network? SIM? (I have had 3 SIM replacements already)? Battery? It's definitely not memory card, as I have nothing in that slot.
Anyone with any ideas or experience is more than welcome to help me
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Nice to see you back with a TG01 What ROM are you using? its strange how many phones have the same issue. Like you said, it could be a SIM card problem. but do you also have 4 different batteries? test them all out individually?
hope you get it sorted soon mate!
Possible solution? I've just been reading back through your OP, and i realised i had a similiar problem like this. i was using WM6.5 for a long time, with no problems.but i used spb backup and switched to 6.1. when restored contacts on 6.1 my phone would freeze and lock up like the problems that you described.. I always thought it was a problem with the ROM but it was actually my backup manager. i remember installing apps, syncing with exchange would freeze the phone. i also remeber spb shell didn't load up. i found a solution, by using PIM backup. now everything works 100%. what backup manager did you use? try pim backup! also did you sync with activessync? that may be a problem. try restoring your contacts with PIM backup!
drupad2drupad said:
By the way technical guys out there:
I have been able to find a work around - If I keep my phone in flight mode for about 60-65 minutes after a soft reset and then remove flight mode - it doesn't freeze for 5-6 hours!! If I do a soft reset, don't keep it in flight mode, then it freezes every 10-12 minutes!
Obviously I have a work around now, but why should I keep my phone switched off for 60 minutes every time!! - Does anyone have a reason behind why it happens like this? Could it be something to do with network? SIM? (I have had 3 SIM replacements already)? Battery? It's definitely not memory card, as I have nothing in that slot.
Anyone with any ideas or experience is more than welcome to help me
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Hmm , interesting. It seems that problem is with radio. I gues that if You switch radio off ( in fact flight mode does it ) , Your phone will never freeze.
You were changing roms ( and SIM cards too ) so we can rather exclude software ( radio versions ) unless You always had the same radio version ?
Conclusion can be rather unpleasant because it can points to hardware ( GSM module ) problems. I hope I am wrong.
BTH. What will happen if we boot up system without SIM card ? Any radio software and hardware should work but will the phone freeze too ?
SIM card reader is part of radio hardware too and we can not exclude it has problems.
Regards
fxdjacentyfxd
olyloh6696 said:
Nice to see you back with a TG01 What ROM are you using? its strange how many phones have the same issue. Like you said, it could be a SIM card problem. but do you also have 4 different batteries? test them all out individually?
hope you get it sorted soon mate!
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haha, not back yet oly! this TG01 is only good for about 4-9 hours a day, the rest of the time it goes mental on me! I am trying to sync my sleeping patterns with the phone - which I should be doing after paying fortune to Orange! (line rental + insurance!)
olyloh6696 said:
Possible solution? I've just been reading back through your OP, and i realised i had a similiar problem like this. i was using WM6.5 for a long time, with no problems.but i used spb backup and switched to 6.1. when restored contacts on 6.1 my phone would freeze and lock up like the problems that you described.. I always thought it was a problem with the ROM but it was actually my backup manager. i remember installing apps, syncing with exchange would freeze the phone. i also remeber spb shell didn't load up. i found a solution, by using PIM backup. now everything works 100%. what backup manager did you use? try pim backup! also did you sync with activessync? that may be a problem. try restoring your contacts with PIM backup!
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I wish this was my case too!
I am using PIM back up too. But the whole issues comes here: As soon as I get a fresh handset from Orange, I don't do anything but put my battery inside it and start. Leave it on my desk, literally stare at it. And it starts acting weird even without the SIM card inserted inside it!! I am still using the official Toshiba 6.5 ROM as I din't dare to flash anything with this freezing issue after i replaced 2 hansets (this is my 5th one!). I am just worried if it freezes while flash, I might end up bricking my phone - I have only installed my PIM contacts till date - nothing else. No apps no reg tweaks nothing! And I am using (whenever it's not frozen) the laggy crappy TG01's official UI - *sigh* regret being with Orange!
fxdjacentyfxd said:
Hmm , interesting. It seems that problem is with radio. I gues that if You switch radio off ( in fact flight mode does it ) , Your phone will never freeze.
You were changing roms ( and SIM cards too ) so we can rather exclude software ( radio versions ) unless You always had the same radio version ?
Conclusion can be rather unpleasant because it can points to hardware ( GSM module ) problems. I hope I am wrong.
BTH. What will happen if we boot up system without SIM card ? Any radio software and hardware should work but will the phone freeze too ?
SIM card reader is part of radio hardware too and we can not exclude it has problems.
Regards
fxdjacentyfxd
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Hi, thanks for quick response! I am thinking it could be radio too, but it freezes even without inserting the SIM card. I have tried using different SIM card in it, but it still freezes. So I think we can safely eliminate SIM being an issue. I had flashed ROMs in first 2 handsets, but in last 3 I only used TG01s default rom. GSM module - is something I din't think of. But what are the chances that a whole lot of phones (5 TG01s) sent to me had issue with GSM modules?!
Is there a way to solve radio issue i.e. have something like virtual flight mode? where phone will think it's in flight mode, but SIM is active?
drupad2drupad said:
GSM module - is something I din't think of. But what are the chances that a whole lot of phones (5 TG01s) sent to me had issue with GSM modules?!
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Pure statistics and speculations
As I remember , phones that Orange was sending to You were refurbrished. How do You know :
1) They were refurbrished at all.
2) Even if theoretically they has been fixed ( were in any repair center ), a man
responsible for it was never waiting untill it will freeze. Simply switched phone on, looked it works and switched it off. After such "test" they returned to Orange.
On the other hand, maybe GSM module damage is most "popular" on our tg01 ( excluding pure mechanical ). We do not know any data concerning how many damaged tg01 went to Orange back and why.
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fxdjacentyfxd