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I recently bought a stereo headset, Plantronics 590A, and I wonder what the rest of you think of the sound quality in your headsets.
I sometimes experience a low hiss while playing music with a lot of high pitches, like a lot of cymbals, crashes and high hats etc ( = Metal! )
Music with mostly base sounds just fine.
I solved this to some degree by adjusting the high pitches in the equalizer.
What quality sound do you have using A2DP?
I experience the hissing using both WMP and Pocket Player 2.72. Is there some player that is better or worse for use with A2DP?
Noticed that the hissing is significantly lower if the volume on the pda is set as low as possible and the volume on the headset is turned up than set the other way around.
Also, shameless bump...
Yea I am trying my friends motorola ht820 and I notice the same thing you said. It is still there even at setting the hardware volume low, any way we can reduce it more? It seems the treble is high
Dmon said:
I recently bought a stereo headset, Plantronics 590A, and I wonder what the rest of you think of the sound quality in your headsets.
I sometimes experience a low hiss while playing music with a lot of high pitches, like a lot of cymbals, crashes and high hats etc ( = Metal! )
Music with mostly base sounds just fine.
I solved this to some degree by adjusting the high pitches in the equalizer.
What quality sound do you have using A2DP?
I experience the hissing using both WMP and Pocket Player 2.72. Is there some player that is better or worse for use with A2DP?
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I use GSPlayer and TCPMP, with itech R35
I don't notice such problem
I know this is common pocket/WM problem with some devices
I'm getting this problem also.
I raised a thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=59333 to try and get my ideas out on the subject but I seem to have gotten to cold shoulder from the forum.
I've been doing a lot of my own testing but I cant decide if its 1)My phone (o2 xDA MiniS / Wizard / QTec 9100), 2)my headset (Motorola HT820) or 3)something to do with the bluetooth bandwidth/quality (Because when I use the external audio jack the sound is perfect).
Does anyone have an idea as to what the problem is?
Thanks all.
Plonka2000.
Experiencing ths same problem with Plantronics Pulsar 590A and S200 with AKU 3.2
I would say it could be due to bleutooth A2DP compression like it sounds like a bad/low bandwidth encoded file...
I'll test with an acer n311 if it is a2dp compatible ?!
could like to test with, for example, a SE K800i to see if it isn't the MS bluetooth stack...
Humm... I'll test with the 590A supplied bt audio adapter too tonight. If the sound's good, then we'll have to wait for some fixe on WM2005 :'(
tested with the Plantronics bt receiver, the sound quality is just vrey good.
So the problem is on the pda side..
Need to test with an other pda...
Yea, I am really disappointed with the sound quality of my Motorola HT820 that I got on ebay. Where did you guys purchase your headsets? I heard there were some fake ones on ebay, I don't know how they can forge it but it is a possibility.
Hi,
Has anybody tried using the Nokia HS-12W headset with their TyTN?
I'm trying to decide between the Nokia HS-12W and the Sony Ericsson HBH-DS970.
Can you scroll through your contacts and make a call without actually touching the TyTN i.e. just using the headset? I think this is possible with the DS970 but I don't know if this feature is supported by the HS-12W...
I'll mainly be using it as a headset rather than listening to MP3's so I'm more interested in that aspect.
All comments welcomed
Thanks,
Mark
just nudging this, as I would be interested, I understand that the Sony will pair with 2 devices at the same time, and the Nokia won't...
Which has the best headphones ?
thanks, Will
I have the Nokia headset and it's awsome. My only complaint is A2DP range which is limited to about 3 meters. Headset functions work just fine and there's full handoff support from A2DP and vice versa.
Contact scrolling isn't supported to my knowledge with this headset however.
I've just got the HBH-DS970 today and the sound quality is ok, although there does seem to be a drop out of noise every 15-20secs with my T Mobile TyTn which I got early Oct 06 so am just checking for registry tweaks of BT upgrades.
One point to make about the HTC Tytn it doesnt fully support BT 2.0, becuase it doesnt handle the EDR the Enhanced Data Rate which is the ability to transfer data faster although I've yet to find out if it will affect the other protocols in BT2.
I'm used to the Sennheiser CX 300 (basically they are same type of in ear canal headphones) becuase these are great for the gym as they dont absorb sweat, the in ear canal is also the cheapest form of noise cancelling headphones becuase its like sticking your fingers in your ears so it blocks out a fair amount of sound like crappy gym music or a fair amount of noise when on long haul so you dont have to look silly with ear plugs on the plane when sleeping!
In all I would say the ds970 is a little bass heavy which would suit most people because headphones dont have lots of bass normally, but actual quality is ok ie its not as good at the CX 300 which some Musicians use as monitor headphones.
BTW a good test is to turn the sound up, good amps dont emit a hissing sound when playing nothing, same goes for devices like this.
tricky911t, are the song titles shown in the headset display when used with the TyTN?
Just bought the HBH-DS970 BT and it is not quite soo good as I expected. There is background noice with voice and it sound like I'am in a can. Also when lissening to mp3 (A2DP) the sound is 85% good and some hack in the music every ca 30 sec.
EDIT: Works fine now thanks to fit4cat Hermes Tweaker v1.1a also read thread UTILITY: fit4cat Hermes Tweaker for HTC Hermes , Hermes_Registry Thanks BongoUser
I've tried BT with PC (A2DP) mp3 and that sounds great no problem at all. Tried also with old SE T630 phone without any problem only voice.
I found this
HBH-DS970 and Dell PDA (Axim X50v with WM5 and Widcomm drivers)
Next on the list is my PDA, a Dell Axim X50v upgraded with Windows Mobile 5.0. I had already downloaded and installed an upgraded Widcomm Bluetooth stack (1.7.1 build 3400) to replace the crappy Microsoft one. With this stack, the A2DP and Headset profiles worked fine! I was able to use the headset to make calls with Skype, and to listen to music with TCPMP. The remote control buttons on the headset didn't work (next/previous track), but this wasn't very surprising.
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When reciving a call the TYTN does NOT ring only in BT earplug. Only with earplugs from BT in ear, I will be able to take incomming calls because of no sound.
EDIT: Solved, think it was Hermes Tweaker that fixed this.
When BT is connected with SE T630 phone the display on BT shows both number and name (swithing between) for incomming call. On TYTN only number is displayed.
Can you scroll through your contacts and make a call without actually touching the TyTN i.e. just using the headset? I think this is possible with the DS970 but I don't know if this feature is supported by the HS-12W...
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I can't do that on my DS970.
DS970 has AVRCP
The Audio/Video Remote Control Profile specifies the features and procedures that ensure interoperability between Bluetooth™ devices with audio/video control functions.
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so with TYTN I can change song forward/back, pause, sound (2 modes one for voice and one for A2DP mp3) and loop songs.
tricky911t, are the song titles shown in the headset display when used with the TyTN?
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Not on my DS970 when using Win Media player maybe on an SE phone?
EDIT: See also SE HBH-DS970 bluetooth headset thread.
Thanks.
hacqua said:
tricky911t, are the song titles shown in the headset display when used with the TyTN?
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No with and without the JET Extensions add on which incidentally only supports the Widcom BT so no good for Hermes as its a MS BT stack.
I've spent all day playing around with the various reg settings, and mp3 players and this is what I have found so far.
The DS 970 headphones emit a very high pitched whistle which you can notice most if you have the phone volume on low say 1st or 2nd notch, the volume on your audio player of choice on low and headphones on max., so logical thing to do is have the audio player on loud (but not so the music distorts) and the phone volume on loud with the headphones adjusted to suit although in periods of silence you can still hear the high pitched noise (could this a MS BT Stack problem?)
The Reg Settings, basically you can put any reg settings you like in your WM5 phone becuase like windows normally, if its not recognised windows will just ignore it, so I have been playing around with the various settings but in all instances I still get the odd drop out of noise.
Adjusting the BitPool to 80 gave me almost constant drop outs/stutters (however you want to describe them), I found 58 to be best quality which backs up what I read elsewhere, and obviously knocking the value down to 20 or 30 gave me crappy sound quality. To see the changes you only need to disable the BT in the comms manager you dont need to go through a soft reset.
I've tried the Min/MaxBitPool and Min/MaxSupportedBitPool (havent established which is the correct registry entry but have kept them both at the same value) and found Min for 14 and Max for 80 gave me same quality as the BitPool at 58. I suspect the Max figure of 80 is wishful thinking.
Didnt notice any difference with the SampleRate reg entry but changing UseJointStereo from 1 (default) to 0 did give me proper stereo at least it sounded better.
I even installed the Widcom BT (0.50) stack from the Axim site but couldnt get that to work as kept getting insufficient memory for driver or something like that.
Long and the short, I think if we have Widcomm BT on the Hermes we wouldnt have half the problems we are experiencing now like stutters/drop outs et al. Whether MS will address this problem in an update I dont know.
I'm gonna live with this for now becuase I dont like the ear bud headphones like those on Nokia or the HTC wired versions and I want something for the gym and I could get it to do voice tag dialling by pressing the mike but for my car I'm waiting for the MK6000 which should be out later this month provided I can get TT6 audio over a my car stereo when its playing a CD not a one or the other situ.
The best freebie Audio player I found so far was a freebie version of TCPMP (now CorePlayer) but I preferred the Pocket Player on a free 30day trial becuase I liked the UI better than the TCPMP even though it had slightly more features. At the end of the day most people are gonna want an equalizer and a good UI which Media Player doesnt give us.
Incidently even though the Pocket Player is supposed to support the AVRP stuff, becuase of the MS BT stack you wont get track names et al on to the 970 headphone display but as mentioned above thats all becuase of the MS implementation. MS are well known for implementing their stds even if established stds already exist.
I will wait to see what the HTC S100 is like when its released http://www.expansys.com/htc/p_htc_item.aspx?i=140285
I suspect HTC and MS will be working together to resolve the shortcomings of their stack namely the stutter or drop outs but if you look at the picture we can see straight away we wont be getting any message display from the device so perhaps MS wont be providing this facility any time in the near future.
If this is the case then our only options will be to get a Widcomm BT stack for the Hermes to give us proper AD2P but as the Hermes doesnt provide EDR on BT2 is this becuase of a hardware restriction or software restriction, if the latter could this be another MS BT restriction?
BTW if you live in the UK and bought your headphones or whatever over the phone or online you can use the Distance selling act to get a refund if the product doesnt meet your expectation amonst other things. This means in theory the supplier should not only refund you for the cost of the product, but also your shipping costs (both ways) and not charge any restocking fee.
So you dont have to be left out of pocket if the product hasnt lived up to expectation.
_If_ I get time over Xmas I might have a chance to look at whats involved in providing a Widcomm BT stack for the Hermes, but I have a whole heap of apps to knock out at the moment so it might be wishful thinking. Food for thought.
Edit:
I've been out this morning walking into town and gave it a field test!!! Well this beast should be tied down, becuase if you so much as walk fast, jog or run then you will have it flying around in next to no time if its loose outside of your clothing. When walking it was flying around bouncing off each of my shoulders and when I ran a little it cam close to having my eyes out a couple of times not to mention hitting me on the face. I have adjusted the length of the cord so that it should fly around less but it didnt help too much. If you were to put it inside a t shirt for example when running then your sweat will get into the device most likely through the power socket at the back of it.
So all in all.... I'm gonna send it back becuase its not functional for me. At least HTC S100 comes with a clip to attach it to some item of clothing and the nokia well I cant comment but if its not got a clip of some sort to attach it to clothing with then I can see that suffering from the same problem as the DS970.
I can see myself going for the HTC wired headset where its modded by cutting off the ear buds and putting in a 3.5m socket for the headphones and make do with a std BT headset until the carkit I'm after is out.
mikblizz said:
Just bought the HBH-DS970 BT and it is not quite soo good as I expected. There is background noice with voice and it sound like I'am in a can. Also when lissening to mp3 (A2DP) the sound is 85% good and some hack in the music every ca 30 sec.
EDIT: Works fine now thanks to fit4cat Hermes Tweaker v1.1a also read thread UTILITY: fit4cat Hermes Tweaker for HTC Hermes , Hermes_Registry Thanks BongoUser
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I find this strange, I installed the A2DP hack with Hermes tweaker which gives better quality but and I'm still getting skipping every 30-40 seconds. What settings do you use??
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Sleuth255 said:
I have the Nokia headset and it's awsome. My only complaint is A2DP range which is limited to about 3 meters. Headset functions work just fine and there's full handoff support from A2DP and vice versa.
Contact scrolling isn't supported to my knowledge with this headset however.
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I have the same experience with my Nokia. The sound is great but I am running on the latest South African Rom.
Regards
tricky911t said:
The DS 970 headphones emit a very high pitched whistle which you can notice
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Same happens with my Nokia HS 12w... Bitpool was set to 48, but I'm not sure how the different volume levels (headphones/mediaplayer) were set. I wonder if the bitrate of the file has anything to do with it... (mine was encoded with Lame, with variable bitrate between 192 and 320 kbps).
I'll try the players mentioned here also, as Mediaplayer is hardly ideal.
I'd also like titles to show up on the display, but perhaps this will come in future versions (any thoughts?).
Jörg
Greetings
I replaced my SE HBH-DS970 with an iClip R35 because I wanted to use my own earbuds (Shure). Now I find that when I use stereo Bluetooth on my TyTN with the iClip to listen to music, there is a very irritating high pitched noise, almost to say distortion that almost ruins the whole thing.
I don't get any skipping like I did with the SE headset (at least not when using the "high" quality registry setting).
Wondering if this is a TyTN or iClip issue...
/POL
Hi
I had the same problem with my blueant X5 stereo's as well. no skipping but high pitched distortion.
Its not the BT headphones, its the Hermes.
Luckily i returned mine and got my money back as there was no point having them.
Lets hope we can port the Widcomm bluetooth stack to the hermes.....as the M$ stack sucks...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=284329
politby said:
Greetings
I replaced my SE HBH-DS970 with an iClip R35 because I wanted to use my own earbuds (Shure). Now I find that when I use stereo Bluetooth on my TyTN with the iClip to listen to music, there is a very irritating high pitched noise, almost to say distortion that almost ruins the whole thing.
I don't get any skipping like I did with the SE headset (at least not when using the "high" quality registry setting).
Wondering if this is a TyTN or iClip issue...
/POL
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Get Sleuths A2DP fix and use hermes tweaker and set A2DP to excellent. Works great with HBH-DS970.
Sigh, known problem on this headset unfortunately. There's another thread on this issue here.
Funny but the R35 works great with my prophet/etymotic combo. I use iplay as the media player. I have the bitpool at 51.
I replaced HTC ROM 1.18 with South African ROM 1.35 on my TyTN and noticed that sound quality played through i.Tech R35 worsen. Applying fit4cat Hermes Tweaker didn't help much (just enabled stereo). Is anybody else experiencing the same? Any suggestions how to solve this problem? I've tried to set bitpool to 51, this reduced the high pitch distorion but didn't eliminate it. So, can anybody propose a different solution?
RE: i.Tech Clip R35 stereo BT headset -depends on what headphones you're using
In addition to my previouse posting I want to add my recent obserbation. In my previouse posting I noticed that after I upgraded the ROM of my TyTN the quality of sound detiriorated. At that time I tested sound using regular replaced standard headsets that came along with R35. BUT after I replaced them with Etymotic earbuds the quality substantially improved. And what's more imposrtant I don't hear high pitched distortions anymore. I used bitpool 51. So for those who experience this problem with higр pitch distortion perhaps it's worth trying different headsets.
I saw MSI bluetooth player on the back of my iTech so I did a search and low and behold I found the following:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=262715
Sound quality is excellent although you have to use the player and it is very basic. The volume controls are the only ones supported in this altered version, the latest MSI release does handle pause, next and previous but it is limited to a 30 second play time for non-MSI devices. Look through the thread and you may spy a solution.
http://www.bluetake.com/products/BT450Rx.htm
Has anyone use this headset with the 8525?
Let me know about sound quality, range, function? I found some info for it on the Wizard forum...but i want to know how good it is with a more to date phone like the 8525. The profile is very small...about the size of a US quarter.
Yeah, I'm actually wondering about that one too.
Bluetake BT450rx
I am using this one with my HTC Hermes.
Works fine with some background noise thought.
George
I use the BT420Rx
http://www.bluetake.com/products/BT420Rx.htm, for the last 6 months without any major problems.
I use it both on my Hermes and my Laptop (Dell Inspiron E1505).
I don't use the handsfree option with the my Hermes just the A2DP.
I finally got the headphone in. I am very impress. It is light weight. It only works with WMP...controlling the pause, ff, play, etc...But sound wise it works with all players. I also have TCPMP and the stereo sound does come thru but no remote control function.
Stereo go to mute when the phone come in...and resume play when you end the call. Distance is about 30ft...not very far. Sound is good. I have the 8525 with all the hack software installed..so the quality is very good. It is better than some of the Jabra i had before.
What hack software did you use to get it to work?
I use the HtweakC2.0 and the Sleuth A2DP fix
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I use the HtweakC2.0 and the Sleuth A2DP fix
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Thanks! I think I will pick this headset up.
Okay, I'm not trying to reinvent the will. I'm curious thought, what are some good compatible bluetooth headsets for HTC TC? What are the bad ones? ....using Murato Radio and Original Rom!!!! Or any other radio/Rom combo!
I have seen a post on headsets/stereo music/phone thread. But not one with a specific list of compatible headsets.
I'm asking because I'm trying to figure out if my brand new (one week old) device have a bad bluetooth problem or do I need another headset. Currently using Plantronics Voyager 510, and I cant go 3 feet without it getting choppy and static, sound quality is f**k*d up!!!!
So I will post first: Plantronics Voyager 510 ....NOPE!!
Just be sure and purchase from a place that allows returns if you're not happy with them. Find some you like on your own.
Kenjari said:
Okay, I'm not trying to reinvent the will. I'm curious thought, what are some good compatible bluetooth headsets for HTC TC? What are the bad ones? ....using Murato Radio and Original Rom!!!! Or any other radio/Rom combo!
I have seen a post on headsets/stereo music/phone thread. But not one with a specific list of compatible headsets.
I'm asking because I'm trying to figure out if my brand new (one week old) device have a bad bluetooth problem or do I need another headset. Currently using Plantronics Voyager 510, and I cant go 3 feet without it getting choppy and static, sound quality is f**k*d up!!!!
So I will post first: Plantronics Voyager 510 ....NOPE!!
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Jabra JX10 Series II: Works well
I love my Jabra BT620S
well i have a Plantronics Voyager 510 and have been using it first with Artemis and now with Polaris and i have to say its THE BEST heatset i have ever used (and there have been many!)
good up to 15m and sound perfect.... you have something wrong either with the headset you have or your Polaris
I'm currently using Philips SHB9000. At first signt, it pairs but no headset icons on the top bar (which means all the sound goes through the speakerphone).
Using BTAudio, sound gets redirected to the headset (still no headset icon) but quality is awful, using HomeScreen PlusPlus UI A2DP option the icon appears and sound is incredibly good.
I was using Murata radio/udK R8 when I bought it one week ago. Changing radio or ROM did not change anything so either it is OS or headset related.
Regarding your choppy sound, try this method (especially for Plantronics Voyager 510) : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2533699&postcount=13, this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2533699&postcount=14 and this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1317007&postcount=18
The_Steph
Thanks for the resource everyone. I appreciate the response and the help.
I purchased the Plantronics Discovery 655, and guess what? The exact same thing is happening. I still get choppy reception at times.
though I have noticed it is slightly better then the previous headset. And people who I'm tallking to say that I sound alot more clearer.
My conclusion, now, my phone has a bad radio. Either the bluetooth hardware is jacked...or my radio is horrible.
What do you guys think?
BTW i purchased it from a website and I didnt get any warranty on it.
So I called HTC and complained about my bluetooth connection. The lady (valerie) told me that as long as it works, they are not interested in the quality of the connection. After complaining a little more, I ended with the conclusion that I have to test alot of headsets until I find the right one. So to add to this thread:
Good connection will be defined as, "clear crispy hearing on both ends, no static and choppy sounds, and the ability to walk away at most 6 feet (maybe 3 meters) from the phone and still maintain sound quality connection with the phone: Good connection".
So those who have post already with their headset, can you repost to determine if you have "Good connection". My only purpose for this is to purchase this time the "right" headset instead of numerous returns to the store to find the perfect one.
Jabra JX10 series II
Jabra BT6210S
Phillip SHB9000
Do all of these fit the Good Connection definition?
Thanks for all who have post. I truly appreciate your help. You are helping me save money and time!!!!
Yes, JX10 series II: Good connection (FYI, not sure about the series I, as there are some firmware changes that happened.)
I think I can say that Phillip SHB9000 has out-of-the-box a fairly good connection (did not test the 3 meters test yet and had natively choppy sound before the registry modification) with my TC.
After the reg modification it has a good connection (still did not checked the 3 meters connection but I never get disconnected), but it can't be compared to the 2 Jabras at it is really dedicated to listening to music (covers almost all your ears). It is the first time I'm buying that type of headset and it is really a different world than usual headsets (intra auricular or in-ear). The sound is clear and all details are present.
The only drawback compared to the other is obviously the size...
BTW, disconnection problem with Jabra headsets could be solved by HTC official Bluetooth fixes (as one has been especially made for them) and BT disconnection is also relying to the ROM version.
The_Steph
Jabra BT8040
I use the Jabra BT8040. It has as major advantage that it not only supports the handsfree profile, but also wireless 'stereo' (A2DP), so I'm able to listen to music on the headset too.
thanks muyz
after applying the patches from HTC's website, my Jabra BT500 works pretty good. the issues before were addressed and it works fine now as a hands free in the car headset.
i have tested it while walking and talking and something strange i've never encountered: crackling noise. it's as if i was on a wired set with bad wires. as soon as i stop moving, the connection is back to normal. strange. this is why i said it's great for in car connection since the phone and your head will stay relatively static.
looking for a new headset myself actually.
Hi,
I'm using the Jabra BT3030 which also support A2DP for my music listening. After I applied the bluetooth fix from the htc website it's working flawlessly, with no loss of connection as it did before the patch. Very happy with it.
what does the Jabra BT3030 look like? Is it jus the dog tag thing...or is it also wired or wireless plugins? Can you take a quick pic and upload?
Thanks
I tried looking online and I only see the tag piece...is that it?
i'm using Jabra BT620s - work's perfect
i had just some break's in stereo while running in traffic (maybe caused by other BT devices from cars?) - so I changed A2DP setting in SKTools and now it's perfect
strongly recomend
slightly off topic, but what are the registry hacks people keep mentioning
I have 8 cruises for my company's engineers and all of them are moaning about the carkit connections. We have applied the hot fixes and they are still generally rubbish
a selection of the carkits ;
nokia ck 7w
motorola HF 850
focus c-max bluetooth in car
Auidi bluetooth in car
various jabra headsets
motorola HS 800
Keeps cutting out. poor/ tinny sounding, mine (Moto hf 850) makes outgoing calls ok (sometimes) but takes about 15 seconds to hear voice of othter caller on incoming
???????????
Cheers
Knobby
Anyone ? this phone is pants, great pda tho
…and for the HBH-DS980 ?
I have a Jabra X10 Serie II, but I want a HBH-DS980.
Is there someone who know if it works with Polaris ?
I mean, every function of the headset [playlist, list contacts, etc…].
Thanks for your feedback.
It doesn't work fully with anything, its pants !
and even when it does work fully ... it stops working when it feels like it !
bloody irrational. must be female